Mullin Team Turning Roster Around

Quote from: mjdinkins on October 04, 2015, 12:00:43 AM

^^^^
Call it the truth or whatever.  That's probably subjective.  He's petty and childish.  I figured you would vouch for him, as you basically act the same way on Twitter.

Our former head coach was paid extremely well and was quite absentee from doing his job, so yes I will take shots.  Amazing how a guy thats in the Basketball HOF and had an extended career in the NBA doesn't feel he's "too good" to be an active presence but the former coach who doesn't have nearly the background or successes as Mullin would hardly step foot on campus.  So yes, I will continue to take shots at someone who got paid well and didn't give a very good effort. 

Your prerogative.  I'll continue to consider you petty and childish.  So, it's all good.

Quote from: mjdinkins on October 04, 2015, 12:00:43 AM

^^^^
Call it the truth or whatever.  That's probably subjective.  He's petty and childish.  I figured you would vouch for him, as you basically act the same way on Twitter.

Our former head coach was paid extremely well and was quite absentee from doing his job, so yes I will take shots.  Amazing how a guy thats in the Basketball HOF and had an extended career in the NBA doesn't feel he's "too good" to be an active presence but the former coach who doesn't have nearly the background or successes as Mullin would hardly step foot on campus.  So yes, I will continue to take shots at someone who got paid well and didn't give a very good effort. 

I'm not defending Lavin but its been very overblown about him not hanging out at Christ the King open gyms. While I think you do have to make appearances from time to time to show face to battle public perception, I've also seen coaches live in open gyms and never get recruits. I think Lav should have sensed the backlash and just spent some time there to keep wolves away.

I think people just need to move on. Lav did a lot for program and he also missed a lot of opportunities too. It is what it is.

Quote from: TRabinowitz on October 04, 2015, 12:17:11 AM

Quote from: mjdinkins on October 04, 2015, 12:00:43 AM

^^^^
Call it the truth or whatever.  That's probably subjective.  He's petty and childish.  I figured you would vouch for him, as you basically act the same way on Twitter.

Our former head coach was paid extremely well and was quite absentee from doing his job, so yes I will take shots.  Amazing how a guy thats in the Basketball HOF and had an extended career in the NBA doesn't feel he's "too good" to be an active presence but the former coach who doesn't have nearly the background or successes as Mullin would hardly step foot on campus.  So yes, I will continue to take shots at someone who got paid well and didn't give a very good effort. 

I'm not defending Lavin but its been very overblown about him not hanging out at Christ the King open gyms. While I think you do have to make appearances from time to time to show face to battle public perception, I've also seen coaches live in open gyms and never get recruits. I think Lav should have sensed the backlash and just spent some time there to keep wolves away.

I think people just need to move on. Lav did a lot for program and he also missed a lot of opportunities too. It is what it is.

I'ts not just about him attending local games or open gyms.  It's about the fact that the guy was rarely on campus during the offseason and became very disengaged in terms of going out and recruiting even outside of the tristate.  He even COMPLETELY skipped out on a full April live recruiting weekend 2 years ago.

Quote from: Dave on October 04, 2015, 12:55:40 AM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on October 04, 2015, 12:17:11 AM

Quote from: mjdinkins on October 04, 2015, 12:00:43 AM

^^^^
Call it the truth or whatever.  That's probably subjective.  He's petty and childish.  I figured you would vouch for him, as you basically act the same way on Twitter.

Our former head coach was paid extremely well and was quite absentee from doing his job, so yes I will take shots.  Amazing how a guy thats in the Basketball HOF and had an extended career in the NBA doesn't feel he's "too good" to be an active presence but the former coach who doesn't have nearly the background or successes as Mullin would hardly step foot on campus.  So yes, I will continue to take shots at someone who got paid well and didn't give a very good effort. 

I'm not defending Lavin but its been very overblown about him not hanging out at Christ the King open gyms. While I think you do have to make appearances from time to time to show face to battle public perception, I've also seen coaches live in open gyms and never get recruits. I think Lav should have sensed the backlash and just spent some time there to keep wolves away.

I think people just need to move on. Lav did a lot for program and he also missed a lot of opportunities too. It is what it is.

 He even COMPLETELY skipped out on a full April live recruiting weekend 2 years ago.

Prove it or you're just puffing hot air as usual.  As, has been said by shaun and, recently, Dave.....  Move on!

Quote from: Dave on October 02, 2015, 06:33:44 PM

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Quote from: WillieG on October 02, 2015, 04:59:13 PM

Quote from: Moose on October 01, 2015, 08:34:51 PM

Fans hated Lenn Robbins because he defended Norm.
Fans hated Zach because he didnt defend Lavin.

Man are fans confuse the shit out of me.

  A reporter should not go either way Moose.  They should just be objective, fair and unbiased.  There will always be people who disagree though.  In the case of Zach , he lost his objectivity when Lavin wouldn't  spill the beans on Jordan.

Fair point. I knock Zach for his constant digs at Lavin which obviously were personal because he was pissed at him but the one thing I will definitely give him credit for is his digs at Lavin started while Lavin was still working and Zach wasn't hiding behind an anonymous internet identity or writing nice things but saying things behind his back.

So even though the digs annoy me I give him credit for putting his name behind it

Lenn was just a phony. Someone who definitely knocked Norm behind his back and then wrote kiss ass articles about him. That I have no respect for

I think Lenn also knew he wouldn't have the access he did if he completely slammed him. Zach got frozen out real fast.

Zach is a far, far better beat writer for this program than Lenn.  I really don't have respect for phony journalists who only compliment people to maintain sources. As stated on here, Lenn gave his honest view of Norm's program to the folks at a bar but wouldn't do it through writing.  He even went on ESPN Radio the week of the Big East Tournament of Norm's last year and said Norm should be given one more year. 

As for Zach hating Lavin or Lavin freezing out Zach, the reason Lavin froze him out to an extent is because Zach wrote the absolute truth about him, which happened to turn out to be negative towards Lavin.  Lavin (and his people) then threw their scoops to Roger Rubin, who never did half the work covering the program to the extent Zach does.  Rubin never editorialized or never did anyyyyy type of reporting aside from the few things that SJU threw to him.  I'm really hoping that the NY Daily News gets us a young and hungry beat writer who will get out there, really try and keep tabs on the program (including recruiting) and report on the program year round, and editorialize once in a while on the program.  Rubin never really did that.  Unfortunately, with the cuts at the NYDN, I have a feeling only our home games will be covered for the most part, but we'll see.

Honestly, none of the mainstream beat writers we've had over the last decade or so has done the amount of work or covered the program to the extent that Zach has.  The "shots" he took at Lavin were completely truthful.  Only at the end of his tenure did national media use politically-correct terms to call him lazy (i.e. Pat Forde calling him "low motor guy"). I think the reason he still makes points about the previous regime, even to this day, is there are still SJU fans (and college ball fans in general) who don't understand the inner workings of the program and don't understand why Lavin was fired.  I think Zach is trying to show, as this staff works far harder on the recruiting trail and Mullin appears to be a much more active presence than the previous staff did over their last 2 years or so, how this current staff "gets out there" much more than the last.

I'm not sure there is anything "phony" about maintaining your sources. Sometimes you don't have to vomit the truth because holding onto it is for greater good and sometimes you have to report some tough stories. I know guys who can delicately balance between the two and others who have no filter or conscience. Neither is wrong but usually the more honorable guy will get the access.

I'm in both worlds as media for Johnny Jungle/USA Today and PR for Under Armour. I deal with hundreds of members of the media regularly and it's tough navigating, knowing who to trust, and who to watch out for. There are guys who get scoops more regularly and others you're more guarded around. It's really like an episode of House of Cards sometimes.

As for Zach he works extremely hard and is very talented which is why he's rising in the ranks at the Post. He was very fair and informative in his editorial work. I've discussed with him many times that I thought on twitter he was a little too aggressive for my taste. That's his prerogative and that's cool. He's passionate about his work and that shows. PS He's one of the guys I trust.

Quote from: Dave on October 04, 2015, 12:55:40 AM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on October 04, 2015, 12:17:11 AM

Quote from: mjdinkins on October 04, 2015, 12:00:43 AM

^^^^
Call it the truth or whatever.  That's probably subjective.  He's petty and childish.  I figured you would vouch for him, as you basically act the same way on Twitter.

Our former head coach was paid extremely well and was quite absentee from doing his job, so yes I will take shots.  Amazing how a guy thats in the Basketball HOF and had an extended career in the NBA doesn't feel he's "too good" to be an active presence but the former coach who doesn't have nearly the background or successes as Mullin would hardly step foot on campus.  So yes, I will continue to take shots at someone who got paid well and didn't give a very good effort. 

I'm not defending Lavin but its been very overblown about him not hanging out at Christ the King open gyms. While I think you do have to make appearances from time to time to show face to battle public perception, I've also seen coaches live in open gyms and never get recruits. I think Lav should have sensed the backlash and just spent some time there to keep wolves away.

I think people just need to move on. Lav did a lot for program and he also missed a lot of opportunities too. It is what it is.

I'ts not just about him attending local games or open gyms.  It's about the fact that the guy was rarely on campus during the offseason and became very disengaged in terms of going out and recruiting even outside of the tristate.  He even COMPLETELY skipped out on a full April live recruiting weekend 2 years ago.

Was that when he was in Italy recruiting Amar? Mussini?

Quote from: TRabinowitz on October 04, 2015, 12:59:10 AM

Quote from: Dave on October 04, 2015, 12:55:40 AM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on October 04, 2015, 12:17:11 AM

Quote from: mjdinkins on October 04, 2015, 12:00:43 AM

^^^^
Call it the truth or whatever.  That's probably subjective.  He's petty and childish.  I figured you would vouch for him, as you basically act the same way on Twitter.

Our former head coach was paid extremely well and was quite absentee from doing his job, so yes I will take shots.  Amazing how a guy thats in the Basketball HOF and had an extended career in the NBA doesn't feel he's "too good" to be an active presence but the former coach who doesn't have nearly the background or successes as Mullin would hardly step foot on campus.  So yes, I will continue to take shots at someone who got paid well and didn't give a very good effort. 

I'm not defending Lavin but its been very overblown about him not hanging out at Christ the King open gyms. While I think you do have to make appearances from time to time to show face to battle public perception, I've also seen coaches live in open gyms and never get recruits. I think Lav should have sensed the backlash and just spent some time there to keep wolves away.

I think people just need to move on. Lav did a lot for program and he also missed a lot of opportunities too. It is what it is.

I'ts not just about him attending local games or open gyms.  It's about the fact that the guy was rarely on campus during the offseason and became very disengaged in terms of going out and recruiting even outside of the tristate.  He even COMPLETELY skipped out on a full April live recruiting weekend 2 years ago.

Was that when he was in Italy recruiting Amar? Mussini?

No, I believe this was the April before that.  Mjdinkins, he was posting on twitter and instagram that entire weekend about how we was hanging out with his wife and/or mom in SoHo.  It was documented on here and/or redmen as well.

Quote from: TRabinowitz on October 04, 2015, 12:59:10 AM

Quote from: Dave on October 04, 2015, 12:55:40 AM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on October 04, 2015, 12:17:11 AM

Quote from: mjdinkins on October 04, 2015, 12:00:43 AM

^^^^
Call it the truth or whatever.  That's probably subjective.  He's petty and childish.  I figured you would vouch for him, as you basically act the same way on Twitter.

Our former head coach was paid extremely well and was quite absentee from doing his job, so yes I will take shots.  Amazing how a guy thats in the Basketball HOF and had an extended career in the NBA doesn't feel he's "too good" to be an active presence but the former coach who doesn't have nearly the background or successes as Mullin would hardly step foot on campus.  So yes, I will continue to take shots at someone who got paid well and didn't give a very good effort. 

I'm not defending Lavin but its been very overblown about him not hanging out at Christ the King open gyms. While I think you do have to make appearances from time to time to show face to battle public perception, I've also seen coaches live in open gyms and never get recruits. I think Lav should have sensed the backlash and just spent some time there to keep wolves away.

I think people just need to move on. Lav did a lot for program and he also missed a lot of opportunities too. It is what it is.

 He even COMPLETELY skipped out on a full April live recruiting weekend 2 years ago.

Prove it or you're just puffing hot air as usual.  As, has been said by shaun and, recently, Dave.....  Move on!

If I can prove that he was skipping out on a recruiting weekend, will you acknowledge that someone is more informed than you on this and that the guy was indeed a Lazy Fugazzi?

Quote from: Dave on October 04, 2015, 01:21:02 AM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on October 04, 2015, 12:59:10 AM

Quote from: Dave on October 04, 2015, 12:55:40 AM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on October 04, 2015, 12:17:11 AM

Quote from: mjdinkins on October 04, 2015, 12:00:43 AM

^^^^
Call it the truth or whatever.  That's probably subjective.  He's petty and childish.  I figured you would vouch for him, as you basically act the same way on Twitter.

Our former head coach was paid extremely well and was quite absentee from doing his job, so yes I will take shots.  Amazing how a guy thats in the Basketball HOF and had an extended career in the NBA doesn't feel he's "too good" to be an active presence but the former coach who doesn't have nearly the background or successes as Mullin would hardly step foot on campus.  So yes, I will continue to take shots at someone who got paid well and didn't give a very good effort. 

I'm not defending Lavin but its been very overblown about him not hanging out at Christ the King open gyms. While I think you do have to make appearances from time to time to show face to battle public perception, I've also seen coaches live in open gyms and never get recruits. I think Lav should have sensed the backlash and just spent some time there to keep wolves away.

I think people just need to move on. Lav did a lot for program and he also missed a lot of opportunities too. It is what it is.

I'ts not just about him attending local games or open gyms.  It's about the fact that the guy was rarely on campus during the offseason and became very disengaged in terms of going out and recruiting even outside of the tristate.  He even COMPLETELY skipped out on a full April live recruiting weekend 2 years ago.

Was that when he was in Italy recruiting Amar? Mussini?

No, I believe this was the April before that.  Mjdinkins, he was posting on twitter and instagram that entire weekend about how we was hanging out with his wife and/or mom in SoHo.  It was documented on here and/or redmen as well.

I honestly don't recall. Their recruiting travel pattern was a bit irregular.

Quote from: Dave on October 04, 2015, 01:21:02 AM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on October 04, 2015, 12:59:10 AM

Quote from: Dave on October 04, 2015, 12:55:40 AM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on October 04, 2015, 12:17:11 AM

Quote from: mjdinkins on October 04, 2015, 12:00:43 AM

^^^^
Call it the truth or whatever.  That's probably subjective.  He's petty and childish.  I figured you would vouch for him, as you basically act the same way on Twitter.

Our former head coach was paid extremely well and was quite absentee from doing his job, so yes I will take shots.  Amazing how a guy thats in the Basketball HOF and had an extended career in the NBA doesn't feel he's "too good" to be an active presence but the former coach who doesn't have nearly the background or successes as Mullin would hardly step foot on campus.  So yes, I will continue to take shots at someone who got paid well and didn't give a very good effort. 

I'm not defending Lavin but its been very overblown about him not hanging out at Christ the King open gyms. While I think you do have to make appearances from time to time to show face to battle public perception, I've also seen coaches live in open gyms and never get recruits. I think Lav should have sensed the backlash and just spent some time there to keep wolves away.

I think people just need to move on. Lav did a lot for program and he also missed a lot of opportunities too. It is what it is.

I'ts not just about him attending local games or open gyms.  It's about the fact that the guy was rarely on campus during the offseason and became very disengaged in terms of going out and recruiting even outside of the tristate.  He even COMPLETELY skipped out on a full April live recruiting weekend 2 years ago.

Was that when he was in Italy recruiting Amar? Mussini?

No, I believe this was the April before that.  Mjdinkins, he was posting on twitter and instagram that entire weekend about how we was hanging out with his wife and/or mom in SoHo.  It was documented on here and/or redmen as well.

Sorry, I don't recall.  Maybe, it happened, but I don't remember.  I may try to find it at a later date.  The only thing I recall he caught flak for (on the boards) was skipping out on the Peach Jam to recruit Amar.  Folks was bitching about him not going to see Briscoe and Diallo (the former told Lavin he was coming, while KOB stated the latter probably was headed to St. John's had Lavin been retained) that particular week.  All that is insignificant as it didn't happen and Lavin is no longer coaching St. John's.

Hey!  I love the new staff, and love how they're getting out there.  Applaud 'em for doing so.  Look at the potentially bright future.  The past is in the past, and if it's not hindering you, then what's the deal of constantly bringing it up.  He's gone now.  Otherwise, it just comes off as trivial and childish.  That's just how I view it.  But it's your prerogative....  Oh, well.

Quote from: TRabinowitz on October 03, 2015, 11:49:57 PM

Quote from: Dave on October 02, 2015, 06:33:44 PM

Quote from: mjmaherjr on October 02, 2015, 06:23:16 PM

Quote from: WillieG on October 02, 2015, 04:59:13 PM

Quote from: Moose on October 01, 2015, 08:34:51 PM

Fans hated Lenn Robbins because he defended Norm.
Fans hated Zach because he didnt defend Lavin.

Man are fans confuse the shit out of me.

  A reporter should not go either way Moose.  They should just be objective, fair and unbiased.  There will always be people who disagree though.  In the case of Zach , he lost his objectivity when Lavin wouldn't  spill the beans on Jordan.

Fair point. I knock Zach for his constant digs at Lavin which obviously were personal because he was pissed at him but the one thing I will definitely give him credit for is his digs at Lavin started while Lavin was still working and Zach wasn't hiding behind an anonymous internet identity or writing nice things but saying things behind his back.

So even though the digs annoy me I give him credit for putting his name behind it

Lenn was just a phony. Someone who definitely knocked Norm behind his back and then wrote kiss ass articles about him. That I have no respect for

I think Lenn also knew he wouldn't have the access he did if he completely slammed him. Zach got frozen out real fast.

Zach is a far, far better beat writer for this program than Lenn.  I really don't have respect for phony journalists who only compliment people to maintain sources. As stated on here, Lenn gave his honest view of Norm's program to the folks at a bar but wouldn't do it through writing.  He even went on ESPN Radio the week of the Big East Tournament of Norm's last year and said Norm should be given one more year. 

As for Zach hating Lavin or Lavin freezing out Zach, the reason Lavin froze him out to an extent is because Zach wrote the absolute truth about him, which happened to turn out to be negative towards Lavin.  Lavin (and his people) then threw their scoops to Roger Rubin, who never did half the work covering the program to the extent Zach does.  Rubin never editorialized or never did anyyyyy type of reporting aside from the few things that SJU threw to him.  I'm really hoping that the NY Daily News gets us a young and hungry beat writer who will get out there, really try and keep tabs on the program (including recruiting) and report on the program year round, and editorialize once in a while on the program.  Rubin never really did that.  Unfortunately, with the cuts at the NYDN, I have a feeling only our home games will be covered for the most part, but we'll see.

Honestly, none of the mainstream beat writers we've had over the last decade or so has done the amount of work or covered the program to the extent that Zach has.  The "shots" he took at Lavin were completely truthful.  Only at the end of his tenure did national media use politically-correct terms to call him lazy (i.e. Pat Forde calling him "low motor guy"). I think the reason he still makes points about the previous regime, even to this day, is there are still SJU fans (and college ball fans in general) who don't understand the inner workings of the program and don't understand why Lavin was fired.  I think Zach is trying to show, as this staff works far harder on the recruiting trail and Mullin appears to be a much more active presence than the previous staff did over their last 2 years or so, how this current staff "gets out there" much more than the last.

I'm not sure there is anything "phony" about maintaining your sources. Sometimes you don't have to vomit the truth because holding onto it is for greater good and sometimes you have to report some tough stories. I know guys who can delicately balance between the two and others who have no filter or conscience. Neither is wrong but usually the more honorable guy will get the access.

I'm in both worlds as media for Johnny Jungle/USA Today and PR for Under Armour. I deal with hundreds of members of the media regularly and it's tough navigating, knowing who to trust, and who to watch out for. There are guys who get scoops more regularly and others you're more guarded around. It's really like an episode of House of Cards sometimes.

As for Zach he works extremely hard and is very talented which is why he's rising in the ranks at the Post. He was very fair and informative in his editorial work. I've discussed with him many times that I thought on twitter he was a little too aggressive for my taste. That's his prerogative and that's cool. He's passionate about his work and that shows. PS He's one of the guys I trust.

Well said Dave, totally agree.

Man Matt works his tail off;

@mabde33: Productive trip- Prague, Belgrade, Munich. Gr8 to see the excitement & interest internationally about St Johns. 1st practice tomorrow #sjubb

People get too wrapped up in this stuff. Being the team that "worked hardest" for a recruit often doesn't matter. The rubber hits the road with on-court results. That's what matters -- generally if you have to resort to stuff like complaining about some dude spending time with his wife during a weekend in April two years ago then it's because you don't want to focus on the results. The real problem with Lavin was that he didn't win enough. Some coaches could have been even lazier and won more and many coaches could have worked even harder and won less. It's the winning that is the problem, for whatever reason, and to say that he was just too lazy is too simple an answer. And if mullin works his tail off but doesn't win enough then we'll be in the same place.

Zack gave Lavin full credit for landing Jordan when it was clear just how important that addition was at the time. And when things turned sour with Jordan, Zack was all over him. I'd rather have an objective writer than a loser like Lenn Berman who wrote as if he was working for the St.John's athletic department.

If Lavin didn't like his style, that's TFB. No one can argue that it wasn't objective.

Man Matt works his tail off;

@mabde33: Productive trip- Prague, Belgrade, Munich. Gr8 to see the excitement & interest internationally about St Johns. 1st practice tomorrow #sjubb

Matt has incredible energy and he must have the smallest apartment in NYC--a suitcase. .