Sima v. Obekpa

Quote from: Moose on December 03, 2015, 11:34:10 AM

Look at bright side.  Lavin lost at Fordham with a bunch of Seniors

Yes...but this was an out and out bitch slapping. 

I accept the program peaked under Lavin and not many of us were happy about it.  Even I was off the Lavinwagon. But if he remained, he could have somehow kept #$%^-ups Jordan and Obekpa around...plus the pieces he would have added and we probably would have won last night.  ...

And would you really want Rysheed Jordan and Chris Obekpa as the leaders of a young group? Do you think that is at all beneficial long term??? There is no way in hell you want them here setting a culture for a new group of guys.  Yes, we are worse short term  but getting rid of them gives us a better chance for a new culture and tone within the program.

Quote from: newsman13 on December 03, 2015, 11:56:54 AM

Quote from: Moose on December 03, 2015, 11:34:10 AM

Look at bright side.  Lavin lost at Fordham with a bunch of Seniors

Yes...but this was an out and out bitch slapping. 

I accept the program peaked under Lavin and not many of us were happy about it.  Even I was off the Lavinwagon. But if he remained, he could have somehow kept #$%^-ups Jordan and Obekpa around...plus the pieces he would have added and we probably would have won last night.  ...

And would you really want Rysheed Jordan and Chris Obekpa as the leaders of a young group? Do you think that is at all beneficial long term??? There is no way in hell you want them here setting a culture for a new group of guys.  Yes, we are worse short term  but getting rid of them gives us a better chance for a new culture and tone within the program.

I don't think anyone wants what Obekpa and Jordan gave us in terms of leadership, but are we really casting Obekpa aside because he smoked a joint at a really bad time? I seriously hope that wasn't the reason. Durand Johnson was suspended for the same thing, but we saw nothing wrong with bringing him here to lead our young guys.

As far as Jordan goes, I would have been very happy to give him a chance to get his act together. It certainly seemed like he was playing better down the stretch last year. He may have never intended to return, so apparently he stopped working hard in the classroom. Who knows? He made some mistakes in the last couple of years, but this is St.John's, and we not only gave Harrison another chance, but we've forgotten all about his anger management issues.

I don't know the exact terms Mullin gave to CO. Go to practice. Don't smoke weed during the season, etc. but CO opted not to abide by them.

Sima was eating Burger King on snapchat yesterday so he learned something from the beatdown.

>_>

Quote from: TRabinowitz on December 04, 2015, 09:58:54 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on December 03, 2015, 11:56:54 AM

Quote from: Moose on December 03, 2015, 11:34:10 AM

Look at bright side.  Lavin lost at Fordham with a bunch of Seniors

Yes...but this was an out and out bitch slapping. 

I accept the program peaked under Lavin and not many of us were happy about it.  Even I was off the Lavinwagon. But if he remained, he could have somehow kept #$%^-ups Jordan and Obekpa around...plus the pieces he would have added and we probably would have won last night.  ...

And would you really want Rysheed Jordan and Chris Obekpa as the leaders of a young group? Do you think that is at all beneficial long term??? There is no way in hell you want them here setting a culture for a new group of guys.  Yes, we are worse short term  but getting rid of them gives us a better chance for a new culture and tone within the program.

I don't think anyone wants what Obekpa and Jordan gave us in terms of leadership, but are we really casting Obekpa aside because he smoked a joint at a really bad time? I seriously hope that wasn't the reason. Durand Johnson was suspended for the same thing, but we saw nothing wrong with bringing him here to lead our young guys.

As far as Jordan goes, I would have been very happy to give him a chance to get his act together. It certainly seemed like he was playing better down the stretch last year. He may have never intended to return, so apparently he stopped working hard in the classroom. Who knows? He made some mistakes in the last couple of years, but this is St.John's, and we not only gave Harrison another chance, but we've forgotten all about his anger management issues.

Jordan didn't "stop working hard," he wasn't showing up to class period that second semester.  That is not someone showing signs of turning a corner in terms of potential for leadership or maturity.

Obekpa had issues with structure new staff provided.  He too had issues showing up or showing up on time for things in the Spring that new staff was doing. 

Yes we likely would've wound up with more wins with them this year, but having those kids setting an example is just a continuation of the culture the old staff set in place, or lack thereof.  Better to substitute some Ws now in order to give new staff a fresh shot at establishing a culture of structure and accountability.

Quote from: Poison on December 04, 2015, 10:34:34 AM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on December 04, 2015, 09:58:54 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on December 03, 2015, 11:56:54 AM

Quote from: Moose on December 03, 2015, 11:34:10 AM

Look at bright side.  Lavin lost at Fordham with a bunch of Seniors

Yes...but this was an out and out bitch slapping. 

I accept the program peaked under Lavin and not many of us were happy about it.  Even I was off the Lavinwagon. But if he remained, he could have somehow kept #$%^-ups Jordan and Obekpa around...plus the pieces he would have added and we probably would have won last night.  ...

And would you really want Rysheed Jordan and Chris Obekpa as the leaders of a young group? Do you think that is at all beneficial long term??? There is no way in hell you want them here setting a culture for a new group of guys.  Yes, we are worse short term  but getting rid of them gives us a better chance for a new culture and tone within the program.

I don't think anyone wants what Obekpa and Jordan gave us in terms of leadership, but are we really casting Obekpa aside because he smoked a joint at a really bad time? I seriously hope that wasn't the reason. Durand Johnson was suspended for the same thing, but we saw nothing wrong with bringing him here to lead our young guys.

As far as Jordan goes, I would have been very happy to give him a chance to get his act together. It certainly seemed like he was playing better down the stretch last year. He may have never intended to return, so apparently he stopped working hard in the classroom. Who knows? He made some mistakes in the last couple of years, but this is St.John's, and we not only gave Harrison another chance, but we've forgotten all about his anger management issues.

Jordan didn't "stop working hard," he wasn't showing up to class period that second semester.  That is not someone showing signs of turning a corner in terms of potential for leadership or maturity.

Obekpa had issues with structure new staff provided.  He too had issues showing up or showing up on time for things in the Spring that new staff was doing. 

Yes we likely would've wound up with more wins with them this year, but having those kids setting an example is just a continuation of the culture the old staff set in place, or lack thereof.  Better to substitute some Ws now in order to give new staff a fresh shot at establishing a culture of structure and accountability.

That makes sense, and I hope so -- lets see if they hold Johnson accountable.

Besides playing awful, what has Johnson done wrong?