Missing Pieces Longer term

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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #140 on: December 01, 2015, 12:49:03 PM »
What would Doug McDermott's 3P% look like without his best 6 games two years ago?  I'd bet it isn't "terrific" either.

That's a bet you'd lose

In 2014 DM shot 96 for 214, .449.

Take away his 5 best games (27-44) and he's 69-170, .405.

Still pretty terrific.


You should be comfortable with Greene being within 8% of a national POY widely regarded for his 3P acumen in this statistically flawed analysis. 

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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #141 on: December 01, 2015, 01:38:59 PM »
What would Doug McDermott's 3P% look like without his best 6 games two years ago?  I'd bet it isn't "terrific" either.

That's a bet you'd lose

In 2014 DM shot 96 for 214, .449.

Take away his 5 best games (27-44) and he's 69-170, .405.

Still pretty terrific.


You should be comfortable with Greene being within 8% of a national POY widely regarded for his 3P acumen in this statistically flawed analysis

A is true.

A is not true because B is true.

B is false.

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Therefore A is still not true.


That's your syllogism, is it? Why'd you bother dragging poor Doug McDermott into it if he was irrelevant. Never mind answering, that's rhetorical.

Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #142 on: December 01, 2015, 01:59:56 PM »
What would Doug McDermott's 3P% look like without his best 6 games two years ago?  I'd bet it isn't "terrific" either.

That's a bet you'd lose

In 2014 DM shot 96 for 214, .449.

Take away his 5 best games (27-44) and he's 69-170, .405.

Still pretty terrific.


You should be comfortable with Greene being within 8% of a national POY widely regarded for his 3P acumen in this statistically flawed analysis

A is true.

A is not true because B is true.

B is false.

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Therefore A is still not true.


That's your syllogism, is it? Why'd you bother dragging poor Doug McDermott into it if he was irrelevant. Never mind answering, that's rhetorical.


Since statistical analysis is not your forte, I thought a more qualitative point of reference would better resonate with an accomplished wordsmith.

My point about your analysis, McDermott reference aside, is accurate.

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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #143 on: December 01, 2015, 03:01:35 PM »
Since statistical analysis is not your forte, I thought a more qualitative point of reference would better resonate with an accomplished wordsmith.

My point about your analysis, McDermott reference aside, is accurate.

I didn't do any "statistical analysis." I removed the few games Greene shot well from his total to demonstrate how poorly he shot the rest of the time. Which happened to be most of the time. It's perfectly logical and appropriate. You just don't like it because the result doesn't comport with your preconceived notions.

Look at it this way. These are the number of times PG4 made a particular number of threes in a game while averaging 5 attempts per game.

0 - 5 times
1 - 11 times
2 - 8 times
3 - 3 times
4 - 4 times
5 - 1 time
6 - 1 time

16 times he made one or fewer threes. Twice he made more than 5 threes. Which event is the outlier?

Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #144 on: December 01, 2015, 03:15:12 PM »
Since statistical analysis is not your forte, I thought a more qualitative point of reference would better resonate with an accomplished wordsmith.

My point about your analysis, McDermott reference aside, is accurate.

I didn't do any "statistical analysis." I removed the few games Greene shot well from his total to demonstrate how poorly he shot the rest of the time. Which happened to be most of the time. It's perfectly logical and appropriate. You just don't like it because the result doesn't comport with your preconceived notions.

Look at it this way. These are the number of times PG4 made a particular number of threes in a game while averaging 5 attempts per game.

0 - 5 times
1 - 11 times
2 - 8 times
3 - 3 times
4 - 4 times
5 - 1 time
6 - 1 time

16 times he made one or fewer threes. Twice he made more than 5 threes. Which event is the outlier?


3-POINT FG PCT    Cl    GP    3FG    3FGA    Pct
1.    GREENE IV, Phil-SJU    SR    18    44    96    .458
2.    BARLOW, Alex-BU    SR    18    36    79    .456
3.    KREKLOW, Rick-CU    SR    17    33    73    .452
4.    ABELL, Remy-XU    JR    18    23    51    .451
5.    ARCIDIACONO, Ryan-VU    JR    18    40    90    .444
6.    SMITH-RIVERA, D.-GU    JR    17    46    108    .426
7.    GIBBS, Sterling-SHU    JR    16    47    112    .420
8.    HART, Josh-VU    SO    18    28    67    .418
9.    HILLIARD, Darrun-VU    SR    18    48    116    .414
10.    CARLINO, Matt-MU    SR    14    48    120    .400
   DUNHAM, Kellen-BU    JR    18    40    100    .400
12.    JORDAN, Rysheed-SJU    SO    17    27    69    .391
13.    HARRISON, D'Angelo-SJU    SR    18    39    100    .390
14.    JENKINS, Kris-VU    SO    18    23    59    .390
15.    TRAWICK, Jabril-GU    SR    18    20    52    .385

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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #145 on: December 01, 2015, 03:17:09 PM »
Since statistical analysis is not your forte, I thought a more qualitative point of reference would better resonate with an accomplished wordsmith.

My point about your analysis, McDermott reference aside, is accurate.

I didn't do any "statistical analysis." I removed the few games Greene shot well from his total to demonstrate how poorly he shot the rest of the time. Which happened to be most of the time. It's perfectly logical and appropriate. You just don't like it because the result doesn't comport with your preconceived notions.

Look at it this way. These are the number of times PG4 made a particular number of threes in a game while averaging 5 attempts per game.

0 - 5 times
1 - 11 times
2 - 8 times
3 - 3 times
4 - 4 times
5 - 1 time
6 - 1 time

16 times he made one or fewer threes. Twice he made more than 5 threes. Which event is the outlier?


3-POINT FG PCT    Cl    GP    3FG    3FGA    Pct
1.    GREENE IV, Phil-SJU    SR    18    44    96    .458
2.    BARLOW, Alex-BU    SR    18    36    79    .456
3.    KREKLOW, Rick-CU    SR    17    33    73    .452
4.    ABELL, Remy-XU    JR    18    23    51    .451
5.    ARCIDIACONO, Ryan-VU    JR    18    40    90    .444
6.    SMITH-RIVERA, D.-GU    JR    17    46    108    .426
7.    GIBBS, Sterling-SHU    JR    16    47    112    .420
8.    HART, Josh-VU    SO    18    28    67    .418
9.    HILLIARD, Darrun-VU    SR    18    48    116    .414
10.    CARLINO, Matt-MU    SR    14    48    120    .400
   DUNHAM, Kellen-BU    JR    18    40    100    .400
12.    JORDAN, Rysheed-SJU    SO    17    27    69    .391
13.    HARRISON, D'Angelo-SJU    SR    18    39    100    .390
14.    JENKINS, Kris-VU    SO    18    23    59    .390
15.    TRAWICK, Jabril-GU    SR    18    20    52    .385

Yea, but that's 1st in Big East games. How did he do against the non conference cup cakes because that's what we should pick on him for.

Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #146 on: December 01, 2015, 03:25:54 PM »
Since statistical analysis is not your forte, I thought a more qualitative point of reference would better resonate with an accomplished wordsmith.

My point about your analysis, McDermott reference aside, is accurate.

I didn't do any "statistical analysis." I removed the few games Greene shot well from his total to demonstrate how poorly he shot the rest of the time. Which happened to be most of the time. It's perfectly logical and appropriate. You just don't like it because the result doesn't comport with your preconceived notions.

Look at it this way. These are the number of times PG4 made a particular number of threes in a game while averaging 5 attempts per game.

0 - 5 times
1 - 11 times
2 - 8 times
3 - 3 times
4 - 4 times
5 - 1 time
6 - 1 time

16 times he made one or fewer threes. Twice he made more than 5 threes. Which event is the outlier?


3-POINT FG PCT    Cl    GP    3FG    3FGA    Pct
1.    GREENE IV, Phil-SJU    SR    18    44    96    .458
2.    BARLOW, Alex-BU    SR    18    36    79    .456
3.    KREKLOW, Rick-CU    SR    17    33    73    .452
4.    ABELL, Remy-XU    JR    18    23    51    .451
5.    ARCIDIACONO, Ryan-VU    JR    18    40    90    .444
6.    SMITH-RIVERA, D.-GU    JR    17    46    108    .426
7.    GIBBS, Sterling-SHU    JR    16    47    112    .420
8.    HART, Josh-VU    SO    18    28    67    .418
9.    HILLIARD, Darrun-VU    SR    18    48    116    .414
10.    CARLINO, Matt-MU    SR    14    48    120    .400
   DUNHAM, Kellen-BU    JR    18    40    100    .400
12.    JORDAN, Rysheed-SJU    SO    17    27    69    .391
13.    HARRISON, D'Angelo-SJU    SR    18    39    100    .390
14.    JENKINS, Kris-VU    SO    18    23    59    .390
15.    TRAWICK, Jabril-GU    SR    18    20    52    .385

Yea, but that's 1st in Big East games. How did he do against the non conference cup cakes because that's what we should pick on him for.

Not quite sure. 

I do recall that one of the non-conference games was against the Orangemen of Syracuse in the Carrier dome.  I'm foggy on the details of that game,  but I think Mean Joe had an alright game.

 

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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #147 on: December 01, 2015, 03:29:06 PM »
Time for the reminder that most posters don't have an issue with Phil Greene.

Its the posters who have an issue with the posters who are fundraising for his statue in front of Carnesecca Arena
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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #148 on: December 01, 2015, 03:32:54 PM »
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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #149 on: December 01, 2015, 03:38:40 PM »
Thank God the moderators keep it orderly....and we still could use some height at the point and width in the middle.
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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #150 on: December 01, 2015, 03:47:24 PM »
Thank God the moderators keep it orderly....and we still could use some height at the point and width in the middle.

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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #151 on: December 01, 2015, 03:53:15 PM »
Thank God the moderators keep it orderly....and we still could use some height at the point and width in the middle.

You're welcome.........................

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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #152 on: December 01, 2015, 04:23:53 PM »
Time for the reminder that most posters don't have an issue with Phil Greene.

Its the posters who have an issue with the posters who are fundraising for his statue in front of Carnesecca Arena

Pete Seeger - Which side are you on?

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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #153 on: December 01, 2015, 05:27:54 PM »
Yea, but that's 1st in Big East games. How did he do against the non conference cup cakes because that's what we should pick on him for.

I don't know what those are but they're not BE season statistics. Unless you think Phil Greene confined himself to 44 3-point attempts in 20 league games. These are presumably the correct statistics, being provided by a respected publication or on a website of note to the sport after all.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/conferences/statistics/player/_/id/4/stat/3-points/year/2015/big-east-conference

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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #154 on: December 01, 2015, 05:54:19 PM »
Time for the reminder that most posters don't have an issue with Phil Greene.

Its the posters who have an issue with the posters who are fundraising for his statue in front of Carnesecca Arena

I think the same can be said about why some of us support him. He was a scapegoat here and that is not fair because he played hurt and out of position for a coach that wasn't exactly known as a tactician. He was a four-year player who played hard and was a model student-athlete who played above his ranking and improved evey year.  And he single-handedly beat Cuse.

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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #155 on: December 01, 2015, 06:04:33 PM »
Yea, but that's 1st in Big East games. How did he do against the non conference cup cakes because that's what we should pick on him for.

I don't know what those are but they're not BE season statistics. Unless you think Phil Greene confined himself to 44 3-point attempts in 20 league games. These are presumably the correct statistics, being provided by a respected publication or on a website of note to the sport after all.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/conferences/statistics/player/_/id/4/stat/3-points/year/2015/big-east-conference

Those stats don't break up conference and non conference games.

Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #156 on: December 01, 2015, 06:16:42 PM »
Mussini is already better than both Harrison and phil
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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #157 on: December 01, 2015, 06:20:25 PM »
Harrison?

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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #158 on: December 01, 2015, 06:28:13 PM »
I loved D'Lo, but he did shoot us out of a bunch of games.

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Re: Missing Pieces Longer term
« Reply #159 on: December 01, 2015, 07:06:40 PM »
Without DLo the team was 1-8 in 12-13.