South Carolina Game

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Re: South Carolina Game
« Reply #80 on: December 24, 2015, 09:04:00 AM »
Foad, thank you so much for that last post.  You are a treasure, man.   (Didn't take very long for the crazies to surface, did it?)  Don't know why people still don't get it: the Mullin card is the last move SJ had left.  Bobby G pushed all his chips into the middle of the table.  We are "all in" here.   There is no plan B.  This has got to work, because the alternative is prolonged irrelevance for the program we all love.  We've just got to give CM and his staff the time they deserve to build something from nothing, win back NY, and make us the kind of program top kids want to be a part of.  (I know, Mullin's had 13 games to do it and we're still losing: it has to be because he's sitting on the scorer's table.)

Re: South Carolina Game
« Reply #81 on: December 24, 2015, 09:38:00 AM »
No offense to TONYD3 but Foad's last post was brilliant and from here I see little value in trying to critique this staff for things that may be meaningless to the outcome we see on the floor

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Re: South Carolina Game
« Reply #82 on: December 24, 2015, 10:19:26 AM »
Coaching is hard not easy .
 
Coaching is not hard. If it was there would be fewer stupid coaches. The truth is that many people involved in sports at a high level are mouth breathers: between being coddled academically and repeatedly concussed it's a wonder some of these guys can even tie their shoes. Neurosurgery is hard. Piloting the space shuttle is hard. Being a Navy seal is hard. Coaching is only hard if you're a nice person and if you're a nice person everything is hard.

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As a coach I absolutely believe that I affected  a game with my words and excitement. I believe that I got stops with my passion. I don't see that with this staff.

I have some questions about your post and it's not about how you managed to cram the word "I" into a 500 word essay 36 times - which is an impressive 7 percent. It's about what's cited above

"I absolutely believe that I affected  a game with my words and excitement. I believe that I got stops with my passion."

I certainly agree that there are coaches who inspire their players with their passion, eg Billy Martin. And otoh there are also very successful coaches who are stoics, eg John Wooden or Gregg Popovich. And then there are coaches who are passionate and jump up and down and don't do very well at all. Steve Lavin for example was quite the dervish on the sidelines and he sucked balls at coaching and his teams stunk. So there does not seem to be any direct correlation between success and passion that I can see, and especially because I assume that all - or at least most - coaches are passionate about winning. I say most because Steve Lavin famously said that he "didn't feel any great pressure to win at Saint John's" but he's probably an anomaly: I think we can agree that most coaches probably care more about winning than they do about what kind of pasta they're going to shove into their mouths after the game. So anyway digression aside and getting back to your beliefs:

* Are there other areas in your life where your words and excitement can affect outward reality. Like if you're in traffic and you yell at the other cars do they part like the Red Sea before Moses. Or if you yell at water does it boil faster. This may sound frivolous, but Uri Geller thinks he can bend spoons by talking to them and Madame Blavatsky thought her words capable of raising the dead. I just want to know what I'm dealing with.

* You say that your team makes good plays because of your words. When your team makes a bad play, is that because you're not excited and passionate enough? Or is that he kids fault. If your team makes a bad play because you're not excited an passionate enough, do you yell at yourself to bring yourself to the right level of excitement and passion so that when you yell at the kids their play improves, or do you just continue to yell at them.

* Are there specific words or inflections that you use to inspire your team or is it all improvised? Which is more important, the words or the passion? Like if you yelled really excited gibberish would that work or would a flat effect work with Gettysburg Address level inspiring rhetoric like "Come on guys get a stop" or "Hey Little Johnnie make your free throws" or is it a specific combination of inflection and syllables that works the magic?

* If your sideline passion is responsible for good outcomes, do you practice screaming and jumping up and down? If not, aren't you doing a disservice to your players? Wouldn't yelling practice be more effective than lay up drills and so on.

* When you yell things that make your players play better how come the sound only affects your players and not the other team? Like if you farted, everyone would smell it, not just the shirts or the skins. How come everyone who hears your inspiring words isn't inspired?

* Why is it that some coaches who yell all the time - Mike Rice for example - don't win all the their games. Is it because they're not yelling the right things loud enough or is it that the other guy is yelling more better things louder? Why was Bobby Knight's passionate yelling so effective at Indiana and so much less effective at Texas Tech.

* If Mullin's stoicism is responsible for the losses to IW and NJIT, how did SJU manage to beat Syracuse in the face of that same stoicism?







Great post Fun.  Patience is the requirement for everyone.  To criticize the staff at his point, especially over trivial matters, shows a total lack of knowledge of history and the game.

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Re: South Carolina Game
« Reply #83 on: December 24, 2015, 11:42:49 AM »
As much of a tease beating cuse was, I would rather have a winning streak against them and live with the current results. If SJU continues to recruit (which is a good assumption) can build a winning streak against cuse which gives their fans less of an excuse every year and helps bring excitement back in the program and the city. The victory is even more sweeter because SJU is also beating an ACC team. Mid majors are upsetting major conferences all over the place this season, as much as it is embarrassing to lose to them, but it's not as big of an impact as it might seem.

This is a foundation building year so whatever happens will happen (barring a major scandal). Rebuilding a program takes time, at least more then half a season.  The BE is looking strong this year and if some teams can make a run in the tournament this will attract more players coming to the conference.
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Re: South Carolina Game
« Reply #84 on: December 24, 2015, 12:21:22 PM »
Foad, thank you so much for that last post.  You are a treasure, man.

If I'm the treasure you need a new map.

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Re: South Carolina Game
« Reply #85 on: December 24, 2015, 01:11:40 PM »
I'm still laughing from that one...

Re: South Carolina Game
« Reply #86 on: December 29, 2015, 05:29:33 PM »
Your right that there are bigger issues and many of them but to be fair he sat on the table quite a few times during the game.   

I saw that too and it's unusual and it's out of the coaching area.  No way I let the HC get away with that if I'm reffing.  I don't care if he is in the hall of fame.

Interesting side note.  I was away on holiday for this game and was dismayed that Cbssn wasn't available in the hotel.  But lo and behold I'm down at the hotel bar gettin sloppy and right after they take the karaoke off the big screen...up pops us against Scarolina on it.  It's like destiny that I'm doomed to suffer with this team.

Re: South Carolina Game
« Reply #87 on: December 29, 2015, 05:46:27 PM »
(Didn't take very long for the crazies to surface, did it?) 

Tony has 2500 posts on this board to your 17.  He's no Tony come lately and he's probably not crazy.  He's entitled to speak his peace.  He's earned it.