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SJU handed out plentyyyyyy of package deals the last 5 years:

-Marco Bourgeault to get Orlando Sanchez
-Felix Balamou to get Chris Obekpa
-Max Hooper to keep Jakarr Sampson strong
-Had a verbal commitment from Dom Pointer's HS teammate, Dwight Meikle

Also remember that we had a former staff member rendezvousing in a Greenburgh parking lot to pick up a fake academic transcript

And when 100 college basketball coaches were polled on the dirtiest recruitments of the past decade, we had 4 of our committments appear on this list of only 24 total players (Obekpa, Jakarr, Norvel Pelle and Jevon Thomas). 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment

So those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, particularly those that choose to defend the former coach that the all the above happened under

I personally don't really care that much what coaches do to get players, especially if its our coaches.  Just be smart enough to not get caught or embarrass the program.

Quote from: TRabinowitz on March 16, 2016, 11:46:44 AM

SJU handed out plentyyyyyy of package deals the last 5 years:

-Marco Bourgeault to get Orlando Sanchez
-Felix Balamou to get Chris Obekpa
-Max Hooper to keep Jakarr Sampson strong
-Had a verbal commitment from Dom Pointer's HS teammate, Dwight Meikle

Also remember that we had a former staff member rendezvousing in a Greenburgh parking lot to pick up a fake academic transcript

And when 100 college basketball coaches were polled on the dirtiest recruitments of the past decade, we had 4 of our committments appear on this list of only 24 total players (Obekpa, Jakarr, Norvel Pelle and Jevon Thomas). 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment

So those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, particularly those that choose to defend the former coach that the all the above happened under

I personally don't really care that much what coaches do to get players, especially if its our coaches.  Just be smart enough to not get caught or embarrass the program.

First off I don't have any issue with any of this but to compare a package deal with multiple players with a coach hiring is nonsense.

Quote from: TRabinowitz on March 16, 2016, 11:46:44 AM

SJU handed out plentyyyyyy of package deals the last 5 years:

-Marco Bourgeault to get Orlando Sanchez
-Felix Balamou to get Chris Obekpa
-Max Hooper to keep Jakarr Sampson strong
-Had a verbal commitment from Dom Pointer's HS teammate, Dwight Meikle

Also remember that we had a former staff member rendezvousing in a Greenburgh parking lot to pick up a fake academic transcript

And when 100 college basketball coaches were polled on the dirtiest recruitments of the past decade, we had 4 of our committments appear on this list of only 24 total players (Obekpa, Jakarr, Norvel Pelle and Jevon Thomas). 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment

So those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, particularly those that choose to defend the former coach that the all the above happened under

I personally don't really care that much what coaches do to get players, especially if its our coaches.  Just be smart enough to not get caught or embarrass the program.

First off I don't have any issue with any of this but to compare a package deal with multiple players with a coach hiring is nonsense.

SJU handed out plentyyyyyy of package deals the last 5 years:

-Marco Bourgeault to get Orlando Sanchez
-Felix Balamou to get Chris Obekpa
-Max Hooper to keep Jakarr Sampson strong
-Had a verbal commitment from Dom Pointer's HS teammate, Dwight Meikle

Also remember that we had a former staff member rendezvousing in a Greenburgh parking lot to pick up a fake academic transcript

And when 100 college basketball coaches were polled on the dirtiest recruitments of the past decade, we had 4 of our committments appear on this list of only 24 total players (Obekpa, Jakarr, Norvel Pelle and Jevon Thomas). 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment

So those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, particularly those that choose to defend the former coach that the all the above happened under

I personally don't really care that much what coaches do to get players, especially if its our coaches.  Just be smart enough to not get caught or embarrass the program.

Quote from: TRabinowitz on March 16, 2016, 11:46:44 AM

SJU handed out plentyyyyyy of package deals the last 5 years:

-Marco Bourgeault to get Orlando Sanchez
-Felix Balamou to get Chris Obekpa
-Max Hooper to keep Jakarr Sampson strong
-Had a verbal commitment from Dom Pointer's HS teammate, Dwight Meikle

Also remember that we had a former staff member rendezvousing in a Greenburgh parking lot to pick up a fake academic transcript

And when 100 college basketball coaches were polled on the dirtiest recruitments of the past decade, we had 4 of our committments appear on this list of only 24 total players (Obekpa, Jakarr, Norvel Pelle and Jevon Thomas). 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment

So those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, particularly those that choose to defend the former coach that the all the above happened under

I personally don't really care that much what coaches do to get players, especially if its our coaches.  Just be smart enough to not get caught or embarrass the program.

If you can show me the rule that prohibits coaches from recruiting more then one player from a high school or JUCO school, I will agree with you.  Otherwise I will say you shouldn't have posted that, because it seems to suggest it is illegal when it most certainly isn't.  Why did you even bring it up?  It's not against the rules.

Quote from: TRabinowitz on March 16, 2016, 11:46:44 AM

SJU handed out plentyyyyyy of package deals the last 5 years:

-Marco Bourgeault to get Orlando Sanchez
-Felix Balamou to get Chris Obekpa
-Max Hooper to keep Jakarr Sampson strong
-Had a verbal commitment from Dom Pointer's HS teammate, Dwight Meikle

Also remember that we had a former staff member rendezvousing in a Greenburgh parking lot to pick up a fake academic transcript

And when 100 college basketball coaches were polled on the dirtiest recruitments of the past decade, we had 4 of our committments appear on this list of only 24 total players (Obekpa, Jakarr, Norvel Pelle and Jevon Thomas). 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment

So those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, particularly those that choose to defend the former coach that the all the above happened under

I personally don't really care that much what coaches do to get players, especially if its our coaches.  Just be smart enough to not get caught or embarrass the program.

If you can show me the rule that prohibits coaches from recruiting more then one player from a high school or JUCO school, I will agree with you.  Otherwise I will say you shouldn't have posted that, because it seems to suggest it is illegal when it most certainly isn't.  Why did you even bring it up?  It's not against the rules.

Quote from: fordham96 on March 16, 2016, 12:20:31 PM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on March 16, 2016, 11:46:44 AM

SJU handed out plentyyyyyy of package deals the last 5 years:

-Marco Bourgeault to get Orlando Sanchez
-Felix Balamou to get Chris Obekpa
-Max Hooper to keep Jakarr Sampson strong
-Had a verbal commitment from Dom Pointer's HS teammate, Dwight Meikle

Also remember that we had a former staff member rendezvousing in a Greenburgh parking lot to pick up a fake academic transcript

And when 100 college basketball coaches were polled on the dirtiest recruitments of the past decade, we had 4 of our committments appear on this list of only 24 total players (Obekpa, Jakarr, Norvel Pelle and Jevon Thomas). 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment

So those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, particularly those that choose to defend the former coach that the all the above happened under

I personally don't really care that much what coaches do to get players, especially if its our coaches.  Just be smart enough to not get caught or embarrass the program.

First off I don't have any issue with any of this but to compare a package deal with multiple players with a coach hiring is nonsense.

You're right... the difference is the package deal with Tiny worked out whereas the package deals for our players didn't.

Quote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 06:18:18 PM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on March 16, 2016, 11:46:44 AM

SJU handed out plentyyyyyy of package deals the last 5 years:

-Marco Bourgeault to get Orlando Sanchez
-Felix Balamou to get Chris Obekpa
-Max Hooper to keep Jakarr Sampson strong
-Had a verbal commitment from Dom Pointer's HS teammate, Dwight Meikle

Also remember that we had a former staff member rendezvousing in a Greenburgh parking lot to pick up a fake academic transcript

And when 100 college basketball coaches were polled on the dirtiest recruitments of the past decade, we had 4 of our committments appear on this list of only 24 total players (Obekpa, Jakarr, Norvel Pelle and Jevon Thomas). 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment

So those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, particularly those that choose to defend the former coach that the all the above happened under

I personally don't really care that much what coaches do to get players, especially if its our coaches.  Just be smart enough to not get caught or embarrass the program.

If you can show me the rule that prohibits coaches from recruiting more then one player from a high school or JUCO school, I will agree with you.  Otherwise I will say you shouldn't have posted that, because it seems to suggest it is illegal when it most certainly isn't.  Why did you even bring it up?  It's not against the rules.

Nor is it against the rules to  hire a HS coach as an assistant so the entire conversation must be moot.

Quote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 06:18:18 PM

Quote from: TRabinowitz on March 16, 2016, 11:46:44 AM

SJU handed out plentyyyyyy of package deals the last 5 years:

-Marco Bourgeault to get Orlando Sanchez
-Felix Balamou to get Chris Obekpa
-Max Hooper to keep Jakarr Sampson strong
-Had a verbal commitment from Dom Pointer's HS teammate, Dwight Meikle

Also remember that we had a former staff member rendezvousing in a Greenburgh parking lot to pick up a fake academic transcript

And when 100 college basketball coaches were polled on the dirtiest recruitments of the past decade, we had 4 of our committments appear on this list of only 24 total players (Obekpa, Jakarr, Norvel Pelle and Jevon Thomas). 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment

So those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, particularly those that choose to defend the former coach that the all the above happened under

I personally don't really care that much what coaches do to get players, especially if its our coaches.  Just be smart enough to not get caught or embarrass the program.

If you can show me the rule that prohibits coaches from recruiting more then one player from a high school or JUCO school, I will agree with you.  Otherwise I will say you shouldn't have posted that, because it seems to suggest it is illegal when it most certainly isn't.  Why did you even bring it up?  It's not against the rules.

To you young ones it is not only the past 5 years. Riverside Cham was a feeder program for us for a 20 year period until in collapsed due to internal Riverside management issues.  Not only did we get numerous players but also a staff member from them.  A lot of schools develop "working relationships" with AAU moguls and their teams which is legal a long as no boundaries are crossed and none were crossed in  a stream of players from Chris through Artest/Barkley/Jessie

Quote from: Foad on March 15, 2016, 05:04:18 PM

Quote from: WillieG on March 13, 2016, 07:54:53 PM

I don't see why this wouldn't make anybody furious.

It does not make me furious because I have a woman and a bong and a bottle of Ketel One. Okay, half a bottle. But tomorrow I'll have a full bottle. But that's just the circle of life.

I agree with you re SH. Probably they cheated. In the same way that DoOk cheated getting Boozer and Duhon and whoever else. And the same way that all those other program cheated getting all those other recruits. It's your outrage that is hard to understand. This is the way college BB works. Larry Brown won a NC hiring Danny Manning's father. There's a long list. This shit happens. Which is why this selective outrage is misplaced. If Willard hired Tiny to get Whitehead and that resulted in Lavin getting fired they should hand Willard's jersey in the rafters in Carnesecca Arena.
 

Agree & not too many high major programs don't cheat. The system is what it is.

What's not so simple is to prove it, even if we all know it's the case.  Tiny wasn't hired until a year after IW signed for a reason.

Quote from: yankcranker on March 16, 2016, 07:45:29 PM

What's not so simple is to prove it, even if we all know it's the case.  Tiny wasn't hired until a year after IW signed for a reason.

Now you're talking.  This is the conversation I originally thought we'd have.  What I had said was that you can't prove it in a concrete way unless the school was stupid enough to write the contingency into the contract.  Or unless you have them on tape saying we'll hire you if he comes here.  But the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming.  The NCAA has a lower standard of proof then a court of law.  They can disallow a kids SAT score if they think it is too high.  Could the kid be prosecuted for fraud?  No way, unless they caught him red handed.  It's a different standard of proof. 

Quote from: WillieG on March 16, 2016, 07:55:55 PM

Quote from: yankcranker on March 16, 2016, 07:45:29 PM

What's not so simple is to prove it, even if we all know it's the case.  Tiny wasn't hired until a year after IW signed for a reason.

Now you're talking.  This is the conversation I originally thought we'd have.  What I had said was that you can't prove it in a concrete way unless the school was stupid enough to write the contingency into the contract.  Or unless you have them on tape saying we'll hire you if he comes here.  But the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming.  The NCAA has a lower standard of proof then a court of law.  They can disallow a kids SAT score if they think it is too high.  Could the kid be prosecuted for fraud?  No way, unless they caught him red handed.  It's a different standard of proof.  The NCAA could have disallowed the recruitment.

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But the NCAA didn't disallow it, so case closed.  Right??

Quote from: paultzman on March 16, 2016, 10:45:29 AM

Quote from: Foad on March 15, 2016, 05:04:18 PM

Quote from: WillieG on March 13, 2016, 07:54:53 PM

I don't see why this wouldn't make anybody furious.

It does not make me furious because I have a woman and a bong and a bottle of Ketel One. Okay, half a bottle. But tomorrow I'll have a full bottle. But that's just the circle of life.

I agree with you re SH. Probably they cheated. In the same way that DoOk cheated getting Boozer and Duhon and whoever else. And the same way that all those other program cheated getting all those other recruits. It's your outrage that is hard to understand. This is the way college BB works. Larry Brown won a NC hiring Danny Manning's father. There's a long list. This shit happens. Which is why this selective outrage is misplaced. If Willard hired Tiny to get Whitehead and that resulted in Lavin getting fired they should hand Willard's jersey in the rafters in Carnesecca Arena.
 

Agree & not too many high major programs don't cheat. The system is what it is.

  But Paultz, don't you think that's all the more reason to come down on the blue bloods if they get found out.  Brown, Boeheim, Calhoun, Williams at UNC.  The blue bloods.  They have lucrative contracts with the world wide sports leader, and they are sort of being protected from a public relations standpoint.  Any school should be punished.

Willie G, can you make your point in 3 sentences or less?

There is a huge difference between a package deal of 2 players wanting to play together for a school and a package deal of adding a COACH on staff for a paid position to get a player.   Its absolutely disgusting.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2016, 08:51:07 PM

Willie G, can you make your point in 3 sentences or less?

What is this Twitter?  Actually I think twitter now allows you to make longer posts.