Fran -- he is the one that could have been great among all of them, but it's his own fault he wasn't...and the programs he was attracted to werent all that great either. Jarvis was coach during some of our best years, and the incidents wouldnt have happened if he wasnt fired. You cant hate a guy for trying his hardest but just not being up to the task - you hate the guys that hired him and kept him - so Norm is out. Lavin could be in Fran's camp but Fran was more talented, IMO.