Quote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 08:59:25 AMConsidering all the vitriol aimed at him, real disappointing showing for Lavin . Program's 2nd most successful coach the runaway winner I could only vote once.
Considering all the vitriol aimed at him, real disappointing showing for Lavin . Program's 2nd most successful coach the runaway winner
Quote from: Johnny23 on March 09, 2016, 04:45:48 PMJarvis and it's not even close. Entitled, obstinant and complacent.Yet, players improved on his watch, and the team competed. He lost his way towards the end, but he was not responsible for what happened to our program. That honor belongs to another person.
Jarvis and it's not even close. Entitled, obstinant and complacent.
Quote from: Foad on March 10, 2016, 09:50:20 AMQuote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 08:59:25 AMConsidering all the vitriol aimed at him, real disappointing showing for Lavin . Program's 2nd most successful coach the runaway winner I could only vote once.So if you could go back in time to prevent only one of them from existing it would be Lavin and not Jarvis?
Quote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 09:52:59 AMQuote from: Foad on March 10, 2016, 09:50:20 AMQuote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 08:59:25 AMConsidering all the vitriol aimed at him, real disappointing showing for Lavin . Program's 2nd most successful coach the runaway winner I could only vote once.So if you could go back in time to prevent only one of them from existing it would be Lavin and not Jarvis?If the question was "who could I prevent from ever having been coach" my answer would be Norm without hesitation. Fran would probably be last. But I "hate" Fran the most (I dont hate fran or any of them, just frustrated by him) because of everyone I think he is the one who could have taken us to a level of sustained success but due to his own failures and shortcomings, he didnt and couldnt. More of a what could have been regret than a hatred.
Quote from: Tha Kid on March 10, 2016, 10:04:49 AMQuote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 09:52:59 AMQuote from: Foad on March 10, 2016, 09:50:20 AMQuote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 08:59:25 AMConsidering all the vitriol aimed at him, real disappointing showing for Lavin . Program's 2nd most successful coach the runaway winner I could only vote once.So if you could go back in time to prevent only one of them from existing it would be Lavin and not Jarvis?If the question was "who could I prevent from ever having been coach" my answer would be Norm without hesitation. Fran would probably be last. But I "hate" Fran the most (I dont hate fran or any of them, just frustrated by him) because of everyone I think he is the one who could have taken us to a level of sustained success but due to his own failures and shortcomings, he didnt and couldnt. More of a what could have been regret than a hatred.Yes if you weigh the good against the bad the only answer would be Norm
Quote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 10:11:03 AMQuote from: Tha Kid on March 10, 2016, 10:04:49 AMQuote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 09:52:59 AMQuote from: Foad on March 10, 2016, 09:50:20 AMQuote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 08:59:25 AMConsidering all the vitriol aimed at him, real disappointing showing for Lavin . Program's 2nd most successful coach the runaway winner I could only vote once.So if you could go back in time to prevent only one of them from existing it would be Lavin and not Jarvis?If the question was "who could I prevent from ever having been coach" my answer would be Norm without hesitation. Fran would probably be last. But I "hate" Fran the most (I dont hate fran or any of them, just frustrated by him) because of everyone I think he is the one who could have taken us to a level of sustained success but due to his own failures and shortcomings, he didnt and couldnt. More of a what could have been regret than a hatred.Yes if you weigh the good against the bad the only answer would be NormBut for Jarvis there would have been no Norm.
Quote from: Foad on March 10, 2016, 10:13:20 AMQuote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 10:11:03 AMQuote from: Tha Kid on March 10, 2016, 10:04:49 AMQuote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 09:52:59 AMQuote from: Foad on March 10, 2016, 09:50:20 AMQuote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 08:59:25 AMConsidering all the vitriol aimed at him, real disappointing showing for Lavin . Program's 2nd most successful coach the runaway winner I could only vote once.So if you could go back in time to prevent only one of them from existing it would be Lavin and not Jarvis?If the question was "who could I prevent from ever having been coach" my answer would be Norm without hesitation. Fran would probably be last. But I "hate" Fran the most (I dont hate fran or any of them, just frustrated by him) because of everyone I think he is the one who could have taken us to a level of sustained success but due to his own failures and shortcomings, he didnt and couldnt. More of a what could have been regret than a hatred.Yes if you weigh the good against the bad the only answer would be NormBut for Jarvis there would have been no Norm.Would be an interesting butterfly effect. Believe me I know that Jarvis was not a good coach but do you think if Fran had not dropped trou that team would have been as good with him? I know from a very good source the players pretty much hated Fran. Or do you mean if someone other than Jarvis was hired? I do not recall other candidates though Hewitt's name was always popping up
Quote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 10:18:54 AMQuote from: Foad on March 10, 2016, 10:13:20 AMQuote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 10:11:03 AMQuote from: Tha Kid on March 10, 2016, 10:04:49 AMQuote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 09:52:59 AMQuote from: Foad on March 10, 2016, 09:50:20 AMQuote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 08:59:25 AMConsidering all the vitriol aimed at him, real disappointing showing for Lavin . Program's 2nd most successful coach the runaway winner I could only vote once.So if you could go back in time to prevent only one of them from existing it would be Lavin and not Jarvis?If the question was "who could I prevent from ever having been coach" my answer would be Norm without hesitation. Fran would probably be last. But I "hate" Fran the most (I dont hate fran or any of them, just frustrated by him) because of everyone I think he is the one who could have taken us to a level of sustained success but due to his own failures and shortcomings, he didnt and couldnt. More of a what could have been regret than a hatred.Yes if you weigh the good against the bad the only answer would be NormBut for Jarvis there would have been no Norm.Would be an interesting butterfly effect. Believe me I know that Jarvis was not a good coach but do you think if Fran had not dropped trou that team would have been as good with him? I know from a very good source the players pretty much hated Fran. Or do you mean if someone other than Jarvis was hired? I do not recall other candidates though Hewitt's name was always popping upI mean that if various scandals had not followed in wake of the Jarvae, Harrington would not have hired an inexperienced choir boy to clean up his mess. Because at that point basketball was not the administration's priority, avoiding bad publicity was.
Considering all the vitriol aimed at him, real disappointing showing for Lavin .
Quote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 08:59:25 AMConsidering all the vitriol aimed at him, real disappointing showing for Lavin . Not surprising. Most level headed board members can see the numbers and come to a reasonable conclusion concerning Hollywood. It's the main anti-Lavin protagonist being so loud that gives the appearance that he's widely despised when in fact, he's not. Your poll proves it.
I think Fran would've won just as much with those teams as Jarvis did.
Quote from: desco80 on March 10, 2016, 02:11:09 PMI think Fran would've won just as much with those teams as Jarvis did. I don't
Quote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 02:22:42 PMQuote from: desco80 on March 10, 2016, 02:11:09 PMI think Fran would've won just as much with those teams as Jarvis did. I don'tSo I see.The players could've hated his guts, and I only met him when I was young, but I think Fran was a good basketball mind and coach. He knew the game well. Teams win with aggressive a rear of a donkey coaches all the time.