Ncaa tourney

Quote from: Wods317 on March 25, 2016, 12:13:05 AM

Quote from: friendofjohnnie on March 24, 2016, 11:27:22 PM

Quote from: ras on March 24, 2016, 11:11:54 PM

Quote from: friendofjohnnie on March 24, 2016, 10:31:45 PM

I HATE Nova. I dont care about the money we will get plenty when its our time,  just want to see those preppy punks crash and burn.  I have always hated them more than every other Big East team although Georgetown is close.

The better the BE does in the tourney the better it is for us. Want the BE to be a high rated conference.

I understand what your saying, but there comes a point where you just want to thrive on your own merit in beating teams and becoming an own brand.  We do not want to rely on a Conference recognition for carrying us to the top. We can do it ourselves once we have the talent working well together.  Gonzaga is classic example- who gives a crap about their conference but they find a way to bring the intensity every year and have a great program. I want us to make it because we carried ourselves not because hated rivals make noise in a tournament we are not in.

Problem is if Gonzaga had lost St. Mary's in that championships game they would not have made the tournament this year. The conference you are in and how competitive it is is a huge factor and I don't think you can say otherwise. Do we really want to be in a conference where only one team gets a bid and every game is life and death? We are not relying on the conference to be good but it helps for it to be good. It only makes sense to root for Big East teams. Next time we are on the bubble the quality of teams we play in conference and the perception of the league will be a big factor. The big east has been pretty strong last few years and if we want too be a consistent NCAA team the conference staying strong is a big factor. There are very few Gonzagas out there.

Theres always extremes maybe not so far as to midmajor with one bid but just regularly beating the hell out of the teams in our conference every year and finishing in top 3. I dont think we can be serious about being great again if we want to settle for a league advantage to help us with Bubble. I want the program to be outright dominant like when Louie was here. No questions asked, no bubble, just wrecking these teams and building the brand.  Bubble can no longer be acceptable if we want to be great again.

Quote from: Tha Kid on March 25, 2016, 10:28:24 AM

Quote from: paultzman on March 25, 2016, 10:06:35 AM

Grayson Allen is clearly a dirty player who instigates conflict.  Coach K rationalizes his behavior all year, yet takes an Oregon player post game to task for showboating. Be a gracious loser Coach K.

Agree Coach K was not a gracious loser, but what else do you expect of him rationalizing his players behavior publicly.  I am sure Grayson got a long talking to on multiple occasions for that behavior but as head coach and leader of young men, K wants to downplay issues publicly as they already get a ton of attention and would do no good if he showed displeasure with his 19 yr old SG in the media.  Dont mistake his statements publicly for necessarily being his actual thoughts on the issue.

Yet ok to lecture an opponent in sight of national audience last night?  He should have said nothing & just shook hands. If he wanted to impart words of wisdom, do so privately. His sore loser attitude just got the best of him. Sorry, a saint he isn't.

Quote from: Wods317 on March 25, 2016, 12:13:05 AM

Quote from: friendofjohnnie on March 24, 2016, 11:27:22 PM

Quote from: ras on March 24, 2016, 11:11:54 PM

Quote from: friendofjohnnie on March 24, 2016, 10:31:45 PM

I HATE Nova. I dont care about the money we will get plenty when its our time,  just want to see those preppy punks crash and burn.  I have always hated them more than every other Big East team although Georgetown is close.

The better the BE does in the tourney the better it is for us. Want the BE to be a high rated conference.

I understand what your saying, but there comes a point where you just want to thrive on your own merit in beating teams and becoming an own brand.  We do not want to rely on a Conference recognition for carrying us to the top. We can do it ourselves once we have the talent working well together.  Gonzaga is classic example- who gives a crap about their conference but they find a way to bring the intensity every year and have a great program. I want us to make it because we carried ourselves not because hated rivals make noise in a tournament we are not in.

Problem is if Gonzaga had lost St. Mary's in that championships game they would not have made the tournament this year. The conference you are in and how competitive it is is a huge factor and I don't think you can say otherwise. Do we really want to be in a conference where only one team gets a bid and every game is life and death? We are not relying on the conference to be good but it helps for it to be good. It only makes sense to root for Big East teams. Next time we are on the bubble the quality of teams we play in conference and the perception of the league will be a big factor. The big east has been pretty strong last few years and if we want too be a consistent NCAA team the conference staying strong is a big factor. There are very few Gonzagas out there.

Theres always extremes maybe not so far as to midmajor with one bid but just regularly beating the hell out of the teams in our conference every year and finishing in top 3. I dont think we can be serious about being great again if we want to settle for a league advantage to help us with Bubble. I want the program to be outright dominant like when Louie was here. No questions asked, no bubble, just wrecking these teams and building the brand.  Bubble can no longer be acceptable if we want to be great again.

Quote from: Tha Kid on March 25, 2016, 10:28:24 AM

Quote from: paultzman on March 25, 2016, 10:06:35 AM

Grayson Allen is clearly a dirty player who instigates conflict.  Coach K rationalizes his behavior all year, yet takes an Oregon player post game to task for showboating. Be a gracious loser Coach K.

Agree Coach K was not a gracious loser, but what else do you expect of him rationalizing his players behavior publicly.  I am sure Grayson got a long talking to on multiple occasions for that behavior but as head coach and leader of young men, K wants to downplay issues publicly as they already get a ton of attention and would do no good if he showed displeasure with his 19 yr old SG in the media.  Dont mistake his statements publicly for necessarily being his actual thoughts on the issue.

Yet ok to lecture an opponent in sight of national audience last night?  He should have said nothing & just shook hands. If he wanted to impart words of wisdom, do so privately. His sore loser attitude just got the best of him. Sorry, a saint he isn't.

Quote from: friendofjohnnie on March 25, 2016, 12:23:00 AM

Quote from: Wods317 on March 25, 2016, 12:13:05 AM

Quote from: friendofjohnnie on March 24, 2016, 11:27:22 PM

Quote from: ras on March 24, 2016, 11:11:54 PM

Quote from: friendofjohnnie on March 24, 2016, 10:31:45 PM

I HATE Nova. I dont care about the money we will get plenty when its our time,  just want to see those preppy punks crash and burn.  I have always hated them more than every other Big East team although Georgetown is close.

The better the BE does in the tourney the better it is for us. Want the BE to be a high rated conference.

I understand what your saying, but there comes a point where you just want to thrive on your own merit in beating teams and becoming an own brand.  We do not want to rely on a Conference recognition for carrying us to the top. We can do it ourselves once we have the talent working well together.  Gonzaga is classic example- who gives a crap about their conference but they find a way to bring the intensity every year and have a great program. I want us to make it because we carried ourselves not because hated rivals make noise in a tournament we are not in.

Problem is if Gonzaga had lost St. Mary's in that championships game they would not have made the tournament this year. The conference you are in and how competitive it is is a huge factor and I don't think you can say otherwise. Do we really want to be in a conference where only one team gets a bid and every game is life and death? We are not relying on the conference to be good but it helps for it to be good. It only makes sense to root for Big East teams. Next time we are on the bubble the quality of teams we play in conference and the perception of the league will be a big factor. The big east has been pretty strong last few years and if we want too be a consistent NCAA team the conference staying strong is a big factor. There are very few Gonzagas out there.

Theres always extremes maybe not so far as to midmajor with one bid but just regularly beating the hell out of the teams in our conference every year and finishing in top 3. I dont think we can be serious about being great again if we want to settle for a league advantage to help us with Bubble. I want the program to be outright dominant like when Louie was here. No questions asked, no bubble, just wrecking these teams and building the brand.  Bubble can no longer be acceptable if we want to be great again.

Bottom line is we have to put a nice team together, develop as a team and win. I want to root for SJU in March. We have been so bad for most of the last 20 years Our BE affiliation, hasn't helped. When was our last tourney win? I like rooting for the BE teams , but can't wait until we are representing the BE well during tourney time.

Ya Allen is a such a loser that he carried Duke in the National Championship game last year and got to the Sweet 16 with a bunch of freshmen. The kid sucks so bad that he would be a God here

Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 25, 2016, 02:14:31 PM

Ya Allen is a such a loser that he carried Duke in the National Championship game last year and got to the Sweet 16 with a bunch of freshmen. The kid sucks so bad that he would be a God here

Agree, he's a douchebag but not a loser.

Quote from: yankcranker on March 25, 2016, 02:24:42 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 25, 2016, 02:14:31 PM

Ya Allen is a such a loser that he carried Duke in the National Championship game last year and got to the Sweet 16 with a bunch of freshmen. The kid sucks so bad that he would be a God here

Agree, he's a douchebag but not a loser.

In recent years we were lucky enough to have plenty of douchebags who were also losers. We even had homosexual naked gangbangers fighting in the showers. Pretty sure coach K and Allen could care less about St Johns or its fans

Coach K is way too full of himself.  No one anointed him Coach of the World. 

Quote from: Marillac on March 24, 2016, 10:26:31 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on March 24, 2016, 09:59:23 PM

I just want the ACC to crash and burn as much as possible.  One down, at our league's hands...

I'm with you.  The Big East could put a pair of teams in the Final Four next year with some even officiating .

Right, that's why Virginia, Duke, Miami and North Carolina win because of the refs.

Quote from: paultzman on March 25, 2016, 10:32:40 AM

Quote from: Tha Kid on March 25, 2016, 10:28:24 AM

Quote from: paultzman on March 25, 2016, 10:06:35 AM

Grayson Allen is clearly a dirty player who instigates conflict.  Coach K rationalizes his behavior all year, yet takes an Oregon player post game to task for showboating. Be a gracious loser Coach K.

Agree Coach K was not a gracious loser, but what else do you expect of him rationalizing his players behavior publicly.  I am sure Grayson got a long talking to on multiple occasions for that behavior but as head coach and leader of young men, K wants to downplay issues publicly as they already get a ton of attention and would do no good if he showed displeasure with his 19 yr old SG in the media.  Dont mistake his statements publicly for necessarily being his actual thoughts on the issue.

Yet ok to lecture an opponent in sight of national audience last night?  He should have said nothing & just shook hands. If he wanted to impart words of wisdom, do so privately. His sore loser attitude just got the best of him. Sorry, a saint he isn't.

I agree with you IF he was lectured.  Varying accounts of exactly what transpired...some articles claim K lectured...some articles claim Brooks initiated the convo by apologizing after the game...something suggested Brooks was trashtalking duke earlier in the game which some took issue with.   

Curious when Brooks didnt suggest he was lectured and K didnt say he was lectured that we all assume he was lectured.  For all we know Coach k spent 90% of that talk congratulating him and 10% saying no need to trashtalk.  Not going to be a right answer here.

And Coach K is far from a saint and is a horrible loser...he just hides it ususally.  Not surprising as most of the greats are pretty bad losers.

EDIT:  I have now read a couple additional articles which make it look worse for Coach K.  As I said in the beginning, if he did in fact lecture him, I agree that K should be better than that...moreso than Brooks for showing off.

Quote from: yankcranker on March 25, 2016, 02:24:42 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 25, 2016, 02:14:31 PM

Ya Allen is a such a loser that he carried Duke in the National Championship game last year and got to the Sweet 16 with a bunch of freshmen. The kid sucks so bad that he would be a God here

Agree, he's a douchebag but not a loser.

In recent years we were lucky enough to have plenty of douchebags who were also losers. We even had homosexual naked gangbangers fighting in the showers. Pretty sure coach K and Allen could care less about St Johns or its fans

Quote from: friendofjohnnie on March 25, 2016, 12:01:53 AM

Cant really hate on Duke, something intriguing about Grayson Allen being a villain and bad ass that is pretty cool.

Generally I'm happy to let you spout whatever ignorant uninformed nonsense you like, but this crosses a line. dOok sucks. They are slightly less evil than Stalin and have done more damage to the cause of civilization than typhoid. About this there can be no debate. Nothing about them is cool or badass and everything about them is appalling.  Shrewshrinksi is a cheese drunk rat and his team a herd of over achievin

 pasty faced ballerinas. Grayson Allen is an abomination and the world would be better off if he had been aborted and his parents sterilized just in case his parents decided to once again implant a diseased zygote in that polluted womb.  Failing that what would be cool would be to see him beaten to a bloody pulp with Greg Paulus's severed leg. Now THAT  would be bad ass.





Congratulations Fun, an exceptional hate filled post. Could not agree more. 

Quote from: paultzman on March 25, 2016, 10:06:35 AM

Grayson Allen is clearly a dirty player who instigates conflict.  Coach K rationalizes his behavior all year, yet takes an Oregon player post game to task for showboating. Be a gracious loser Coach K.

Agree Coach K was not a gracious loser, but what else do you expect of him rationalizing his players behavior publicly.  I am sure Grayson got a long talking to on multiple occasions for that behavior but as head coach and leader of young men, K wants to downplay issues publicly as they already get a ton of attention and would do no good if he showed displeasure with his 19 yr old SG in the media.  Dont mistake his statements publicly for necessarily being his actual thoughts on the issue.