6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2012 Class => Topic started by: MCNPA on July 25, 2011, 02:57:15 AM
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Per Evan Daniels, SJU offered this 6'5" gunner tonight. Top 65 player per espn from out of mater dei. Rivals #43. Can never have enough shooters...
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/68087/katin-reinhardt (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/68087/katin-reinhardt)
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:(He's apparently PG/SG and WOW... Just watch the video. Total stud. Looks like he easily has the handle to play the 1 or 2 and is a deadly shooter to boot.
6'4" Katin Reinhardt Has SICK Game! One of The TOP Point Guards of 2012! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVz4UtFZwTs#ws)
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Absurd handle for a kid his size. I'm on board.
Interesting that Evan Daniels reported that the Thomas departure was mutual and then breaks this the same night? HMMMM. Daniels has been right with Lav before and he works for ESPN too. HMMM.
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Absurd handle for a kid his size. I'm on board.
Interesting that Evan Daniels reported that the Thomas departure was mutual and then breaks this the same night? HMMMM. Daniels has been right with Lav before and he works for ESPN too. HMMM.
Let me clarify a little more. The original tweet was from Josh Gershon, a scout guy. Lavin has deep roots out west though, and I'm sure this de-commit and offer the same night are not coincidental. This kid seems he could play the 1-3 spots with his handle, size and shooting ability. Pretty sure he won't scare off Anderson either as he can play PG but probably would be playing multiple spots here as well.
Interestingly enough, another tweet popped up by Ikenna Iroegbu, one of the top PG's out of Cali in the 2013 claiming to be breaking the news about SJU offering Reinhardt. There seems to be some connection to Reinhardt there. Maybe AAU and Dinos Trigonis? There has to be something that has been cooking behind the scenes here.
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He committed to USC (December 2010) and then decommitted (May 2011).
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5977294 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5977294)
http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/usc/post/_/id/6811/katin-reinhardt-decommits-from-usc (http://espn.go.com/blog/los-angeles/usc/post/_/id/6811/katin-reinhardt-decommits-from-usc)
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Absurd handle for a kid his size. I'm on board.
Interesting that Evan Daniels reported that the Thomas departure was mutual and then breaks this the same night? HMMMM. Daniels has been right with Lav before and he works for ESPN too. HMMM.
Daniels is Scout not ESPN.
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Reinhardt has said that playing close to home was a key factor, which is why he committed to USC, along with the ability to play early when he planned to join the team in 2012-13.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/05/usc-no-longer-interested-in-mater-dei-star-katin-reinhardt.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/05/usc-no-longer-interested-in-mater-dei-star-katin-reinhardt.html)
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Reinhardt has been blowing up over the spring and summer. I can recall seeing his name mentioned several times on recruiting blogs due to his solid play throughout the AAU season. Whether, it's the recommitment of JT or not.... Lavin and the staff will find a solid replacement.
Things are going to be very interesting around here over the next 2-3 months.
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Absolutely love the soft touch on his jumper.
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Reinhardt has said that playing close to home was a key factor, which is why he committed to USC, along with the ability to play early when he planned to join the team in 2012-13.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/05/usc-no-longer-interested-in-mater-dei-star-katin-reinhardt.html (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2011/05/usc-no-longer-interested-in-mater-dei-star-katin-reinhardt.html)
Guessing that he probably changed his mind about playing close to home. Doubt Lavin would offer him right away if there wasn't an indication that he might leave the area. As we know, Lavin doesn't usually pursue prospects he doesn't feel we have a good chance at landing.
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Here is another video on Reinhardt....
Katin Reinhardt Summer Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Yiu7E_dpBk#ws)
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It does not sound like playing out West is a factor anymore. Word is he likes NC St and he grew up in Lincroft, NJ.
Interesting Gottfried and Lavin, two ex-UCLA assistant/friends.
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It does not sound like playing out West is a factor anymore. Word is he likes NC St and he grew up in Lincroft, NJ.
Interesting Gottfried and Lavin, two ex-UCLA assistant/friends.
If he grew up in NJ, I like our odds even better of landing him. He knows the east coast and is comfortable here, although getting kids from other places has been a breeze under Lavin so far. Really love this kid's game. I'd take him over Jevon for his size and shooting ability. He has a top notch skill set, not so much different than when Marillac mentioned John Scheyer. I know its probably inconsequential to many, but ithas been a looong time since SJU has landed a quality white player as well. Most have been the low major variety.this kid is one that can be primarily a PG if you need him to be, or he could be a wing scorer.
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Absolutely love the soft touch on his jumper.
Yes Moose. And his handle. And the spring in his step :)
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Race aside, he reminds me of Jason Williams (White Chocholate, not Duke's JW).
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Absolutely love the soft touch on his jumper.
He looks pretty good. That spin move off the dribble is pretty nifty. Only concern is if he can guard speedy point guards. Those highlight reels never show any defense.
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Absolutely love the soft touch on his jumper.
He looks pretty good. That spin move off the dribble is pretty nifty. Only concern is if he can guard speedy point guards. Those highlight reels never show any defense.
He looks plenty athletic and fast enough. Just look at his crossover and drives past players. He moves well for a 6'4" kid. Uconn won a national championship with Marcus Williams who wasnt as fast as this kid.
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Apparently the offer was broken originally by 2013 PG prospect Ikenna Iroegbu. He is a Cali kid probably friends with Katin.
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Absolutely love the soft touch on his jumper.
He looks pretty good. That spin move off the dribble is pretty nifty. Only concern is if he can guard speedy point guards. Those highlight reels never show any defense.
Very true. But he plays for a top level school like Mater Dei so I know the competition is solid.
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This kid would put tons of fannies in the seats. What a great get he would be. Jevon who????
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Absolutely love the soft touch on his jumper.
He looks pretty good. That spin move off the dribble is pretty nifty. Only concern is if he can guard speedy point guards. Those highlight reels never show any defense.
Very true. But he plays for a top level school like Mater Dei so I know the competition is solid.
They have the #62 player in the country as well according to ESPNU, so he's getting good looks in practice.
Kid's game reminds me of Devendorf. Hopefully he has a better head on his shoulders, though!
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kid looks like a stud who can shoot it pass it and handle it. Fits lavins style to a T
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Absolutely love the soft touch on his jumper.
He looks pretty good. That spin move off the dribble is pretty nifty. Only concern is if he can guard speedy point guards. Those highlight reels never show any defense.
Very true. But he plays for a top level school like Mater Dei so I know the competition is solid.
They have the #62 player in the country as well according to ESPNU, so he's getting good looks in practice.
Kid's game reminds me of Devendorf. Hopefully he has a better head on his shoulders, though!
This kids court vision is unbelievable. Watched his vids a few times. This is the way the game should be played. He blocks shots, has great range and an unbelievable handle. He'd improve everyone on the roster. My fave recruit so far. C'mon Steve land this guy!
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The kid has great footwork. Calling a spade a spade - if this kid comes to STJ and succeeds the NY media will make him into the next Chris Mullin. I don't know what our chances are in landing him, but its definitely exciting he's even on the radar.
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I'd love to have him, but I doubt he comes here.
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The kid has great footwork. Calling a spade a spade - if this kid comes to STJ and succeeds the NY media will make him into the next Chris Mullin. I don't know what our chances are in landing him, but its definitely exciting he's even on the radar.
Media will definitely turn him into the next Mullin--no question--but his game is way closer to Devendorf. He's more athletic than Mullin...flashy.
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I'd love to have him, but I doubt he comes here.
Inside info? Hunch?
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Mater Dei players have had a tough time adjusting to the college game in recent years (Taylor King, Wear twins). Maybe this kid will be different. He certainly looks great in the videos.
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What a novelty-a white kid from the US with game. This question is not particular to this kid but has anyone seen highlight video of anyone who does not look great. I like everyone I see in the highlight videos you guys post-some 20 odd years ago a fellow ST J fan accused me of wanting everyone in shorts. I guess he was right. Iwould take this kid on french toast-also want the center on OSNA (Jevon.s teamate) as well as Anderson and Gathers and probably more guys with posted highlights. :) :) :)
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Mullin was a very good athlete. Devondorf is a thug. He was caught once for assault. That doesn't mean he did it once.
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Taylor King was a head case as bad if not worse than Devendorf.
King was a terrible waste of talent.
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What a novelty-a white kid from the US with game. This question is not particular to this kid but has anyone seen highlight video of anyone who does not look great. I like everyone I see in the highlight videos you guys post-some 20 odd years ago a fellow ST J fan accused me of wanting everyone in shorts. I guess he was right. Iwould take this kid on french toast-also want the center on OSNA (Jevon.s teamate) as well as Anderson and Gathers and probably more guys with posted highlights. :) :) :)
They do all look good on highlight videos but I've yet to see the combination of skills this kid possesses in any vid. He almost looks surreal so unless this was trick photography if I were Lavin I'd offer him the keys to the kingdom. His team mates would love the easy layups he dishes and willingness to shoot from deep and board. Time for some Novenas on this one. He and SJU would own the city from day one.
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Vision, handle and body control. Nice.
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ESPN Insider said some are calling him 'the next Jimmer' and he is quoted as saying his recruitment is 'wide open'.
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I just feel like we are a little late to the party. Compared to Gonzaga and UNLV, we have some catching up to do. But listen, Lavin can get it done, and the kid has ties to the east which is nice.
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Ummm. He was committed to USC until this month and not talking to anybody. He's quoted as saying STJ was the first to offer after the Fab 48. Doesn't sound late. Read Daniel's article for more info. See Dave, I read the stuff every once in a while.
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Ummm. He was committed to USC until this month and not talking to anybody. He's quoted as saying STJ was the first to offer after the Fab 48. Doesn't sound late. Read Daniel's article for more info. See Dave, I read the stuff every once in a while.
Well you have enough time since we all found out you log on each day from 6:17pm EST to 7:41 EST. LOL
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ESPN Insider said some are calling him 'the next Jimmer' and he is quoted as saying his recruitment is 'wide open'.
So now hes been compared to Mullin and Jimmer. Hmm
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ESPN Insider said some are calling him 'the next Jimmer' and he is quoted as saying his recruitment is 'wide open'.
I read a few days ago that Dave Rice told Katin that he would use him like Jimmer. That could just be recruiting b.s. though.
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Ummm. He was committed to USC until this month and not talking to anybody. He's quoted as saying STJ was the first to offer after the Fab 48. Doesn't sound late. Read Daniel's article for more info. See Dave, I read the stuff every once in a while.
LOL The article was pretty good read. I have a hunch his list of schools are probably gonna grow in the next few weeks. Frankly, I have a feeling we'll be one of his final 5 schools listed whenever he trims it down.
Get him on campus and the staff shall do their "thang!"
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ESPN Insider said some are calling him 'the next Jimmer' and he is quoted as saying his recruitment is 'wide open'.
I read a few days ago that Dave Rice told Katin that he would use him like Jimmer. That could just be recruiting b.s. though.
So in other words, he said "the team is yours, shoot from wherever and whenever you want." That worked for Bob Leckie when he recruited Keydren Clark
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That is how I interpret it as well. I mean let's get real, If a coach told me that, I'd sign in a second. BS or no BS.
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Just a hunch, but I think we're in a LOT better shape with this kid than people might think. We're not late at all.
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http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/jul/22/unlv-target-katin-reinhardt-impresses-072211/ (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2011/jul/22/unlv-target-katin-reinhardt-impresses-072211/)
"He compared me to Jimmer Fredette a lot," Reinhardt said, referring to Rice's former star pupil at BYU. "How he let him play is how he'll let me play. That freedom, being able to do that stuff, that's what I look at. Look where Jimmer got. He went to the NBA as a lottery pick. So if you could get that kind of coach to be behind you 100 percent, that's everything you could ask for."
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Only problem is that there are very few Jimmer Fredette's. Duke has recruited Jimmer Fredette's for the past 30+ years and still hasn't landed a Jimmer Fredette. Coaches promise the world but rarely deliver in that capacity.
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If we're only comparing him to white players, I like the Devo comparison but I remember Devo's shot being a little flatter; maybe Chase Budinger with less hops is a good comparison.
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Only problem is that there are very few Jimmer Fredette's. Duke has recruited Jimmer Fredette's for the past 30+ years and still hasn't landed a Jimmer Fredette. Coaches promise the world but rarely deliver in that capacity.
Duke has had better players than Jimmer Fredette.
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If we're only comparing him to white players, I like the Devo comparison but I remember Devo's shot being a little flatter; maybe Chase Budinger with less hops is a good comparison.
But wasn't Chase like 6'8? It's easier to compare Devo than Chase IMO.
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i dont see buddinger. I really do see jimmer. His crossover and his jumper.
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If we're only comparing him to white players, I like the Devo comparison but I remember Devo's shot being a little flatter; maybe Chase Budinger with less hops is a good comparison.
But wasn't Chase like 6'8? It's easier to compare Devo than Chase IMO.
He was. I think there are better comparisons, but they have more melanin. Also, I thought (personally) that Devo looked like an athlete with no clue what he was doing half the time.
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If we're only comparing him to white players, I like the Devo comparison but I remember Devo's shot being a little flatter; maybe Chase Budinger with less hops is a good comparison.
But wasn't Chase like 6'8? It's easier to compare Devo than Chase IMO.
He was. I think there are better comparisons, but they have more melanin. Also, I thought (personally) that Devo looked like an athlete with no clue what he was doing half the time.
Irrespective of color, I see Devo all over this kid. Both are very athletic, good jumpers, nice crossovers, FLASHY....
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I haven't watched any video yet, but I'll go ahead and compare him to Chris Herren anyway. Someone let me know if I'm close...
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I haven't watched any video yet, but I'll go ahead and compare him to Chris Herren anyway. Someone let me know if I'm close...
LOL
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Only problem is that there are very few Jimmer Fredette's. Duke has recruited Jimmer Fredette's for the past 30+ years and still hasn't landed a Jimmer Fredette. Coaches promise the world but rarely deliver in that capacity.
Duke has had better players than Jimmer Fredette.
Yes, they got the even higher rated (than Katin) Taylor King from the same High School. :)
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Duke hasn't had a lot of guards in general that are much better, but to be more specific white guards better than Jimmer. Dude won the Naismith award for the best player in college basketball. I wouldn't say they have had a LOT better than him. As far as college guards go, Jimmer was top notch and his numbers I am sure could compare with most that Duke has put out. In addition, he often did it through double-teams unlike any player at Duke. No doubt they have had their share of excellent PG's, but Jimmer is up there with the better ones that Duke has put out.
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i dont see buddinger. I really do see jimmer. His crossover and his jumper.
Chase was a hell of an athlete and an elite level volley ball player.
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Yes, they got the even higher rated (than Katin) Taylor King from the same High School. :)
Hopefully Taylor's dealer stopped hanging around the schoolyard and corrupting good basketball players. ;D
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Duke hasn't had a lot of guards in general that are much better, but to be more specific white guards better than Jimmer. Dude won the Naismith award for the best player in college basketball. I wouldn't say they have had a LOT better than him. As far as college guards go, Jimmer was top notch and his numbers I am sure could compare with most that Duke has put out. In addition, he often did it through double-teams unlike any player at Duke. No doubt they have had their share of excellent PG's, but Jimmer is up there with the better ones that Duke has put out.
Have to agree with you. With Directv got the Mountain West Network and became a hugh Jimmer fan. He became the Tim Tebow of college hoops. Was treated like a rock star and was a very exciting college player.
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Duke hasn't had a lot of guards in general that are much better, but to be more specific white guards better than Jimmer. Dude won the Naismith award for the best player in college basketball. I wouldn't say they have had a LOT better than him. As far as college guards go, Jimmer was top notch and his numbers I am sure could compare with most that Duke has put out. In addition, he often did it through double-teams unlike any player at Duke. No doubt they have had their share of excellent PG's, but Jimmer is up there with the better ones that Duke has put out.
Have to agree with you. With Directv got the Mountain West Network and became a hugh Jimmer fan. He became the Tim Tebow of college hoops. Was treated like a rock star and was a very exciting college player.
To make it more clear, SJU who was pretty good last year with Dwight hardy scores 71pts vs Gonzaga in the NCAA's. Jimmer scored 35 against Gonzaga on his own. The kid was a really good college ball player.
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Duke hasn't had a lot of guards in general that are much better, but to be more specific white guards better than Jimmer. Dude won the Naismith award for the best player in college basketball. I wouldn't say they have had a LOT better than him. As far as college guards go, Jimmer was top notch and his numbers I am sure could compare with most that Duke has put out. In addition, he often did it through double-teams unlike any player at Duke. No doubt they have had their share of excellent PG's, but Jimmer is up there with the better ones that Duke has put out.
Have to agree with you. With Directv got the Mountain West Network and became a hugh Jimmer fan. He became the Tim Tebow of college hoops. Was treated like a rock star and was a very exciting college player.
To make it more clear, SJU who was pretty good last year with Dwight hardy scores 71pts vs Gonzaga in the NCAA's. Jimmer scored 35 against Gonzaga on his own. The kid was a really good college ball player.
Its amazing how some High School recruits are missed or just looked over. I believe Fredette was only recruited by BYU and Siena
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He could be Rice's new Fredette if he goes to UNLV (and plays garbage teams all year long) or he can come to St. John's and guarantee himself a dozen articles hailing him as the next Mullin :)
Jimmer is a once in a lifetime kind of recruit for Rice and he'll ruin Katin if he tries to mold him into Jimmer.
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From looking at Katin's comments, he is flattering to all schools. Not sure why a kid his level would head to UNLV at this point, although he sure is getting his twitter bombarded by UNLV fans. It seems he's buddies with Norvel, and Katin recently commented that he is playing in some all-star game in NY relatively soon. I think his connection to other west coast players like Pelle and Garrett can certainly help us in his recruitment. Have a good feeling about his game. We really could use a kid like him who can handle, drive, dish and shoot at his size. He can also be used in a lot of roles, as a PG or as a shooter. He'd be a fan favorite in NY for sure. His game has the swag make things real exciting in MSG for a few years... 8)
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FWIW, UCLA transfer Mike Moser was promised the same kind of freedom at UNLV....and the former Oregon Mr. Basketball, a 6'7 195 wing, was 28pts/13 rebs as a Sr., 21 pts/12 rebs as a Jr, 20 pts/12 rebs as a soph, and 18pts/13 rebs as a frosh. Unfortunately for Mike, he came to UCLA in the same class at the same position as Tyler Honeycutt.
Don't know if UNLV's promises will be lived up to - Mike will be a soph for them this year, after reportedly dominating UNLV star Chace Stanback (13pts 6 rebs as a jr this year) in practice all this past season while sitting out his transfer year.
And that's also reportedly similar to what was promised to U$C 6'5 210 guard Bryce Jones, a rising soph sitting out HIS transfer year this season at UNLV. Maxpreps had Jones as the #36 player in the class of 2010. Scout had him higher, at #69. There are two HS divisions in Southern California - LA City and CIF-Southern Section. In 2010, Dwayne Polee was LA City POY, Bryce Jones was CIF POY.
Hope Katin does his homework. UNLV isn't going to be a BYU one-trick-pony ride by the time he'd get there. The "freedom" he's being promised just WON'T be there.
Maybe Rice CAN eventually get UNLV back to greatness. But it ain't there now. I can see going there to be a top dog in the junkyard, okay. But if you're just going to be part of a pack instead, why settle for a freaking junkyard????
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FWIW, UCLA transfer Mike Moser was promised the same kind of freedom at UNLV....and the former Oregon Mr. Basketball, a 6'7 195 wing, was 28pts/13 rebs as a Sr., 21 pts/12 rebs as a Jr, 20 pts/12 rebs as a soph, and 18pts/13 rebs as a frosh. Unfortunately for Mike, he came to UCLA in the same class at the same position as Tyler Honeycutt.
Don't know if UNLV's promises will be lived up to - Mike will be a soph for them this year, after reportedly dominating UNLV star Chace Stanback (13pts 6 rebs as a jr this year) in practice all this past season while sitting out his transfer year.
And that's also reportedly similar to what was promised to U$C 6'5 210 guard Bryce Jones, a rising soph sitting out HIS transfer year this season at UNLV. Maxpreps had Jones as the #36 player in the class of 2010. Scout had him higher, at #69. There are two HS divisions in Southern California - LA City and CIF-Southern Section. In 2010, Dwayne Polee was LA City POY, Bryce Jones was CIF POY.
Hope Katin does his homework. UNLV isn't going to be a BYU one-trick-pony ride by the time he'd get there. The "freedom" he's being promised just WON'T be there.
Maybe Rice CAN eventually get UNLV back to greatness. But it ain't there now. I can see going there to be a top dog in the junkyard, okay. But if you're just going to be part of a pack instead, why settle for a freaking junkyard????
A guy like Katin would benefit from a strong supporting cast like we have. He's good but double teams can change a lot. Leave any of our new guys alone and it would be suicidal with a passer like him. With the lockout and fan resentment against the NBA St John's would be the media darlings of the tri-state area. If Katin's looking for fame and fortune there's only one place to go. If he winds up in Podunk it will be a tragic waste of talent. Lavin is the best promoter around and it would be like shooting ducks in a bucket to get exposure for this team.
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Katin friendly with Pelle and now close with Gathers. I get a good feeling about this one.
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Katin friendly with Pelle and now close with Gathers. I get a good feeling about this one.
I'm sure both Pelle and Gathers are gonna work 'em. Hopefully, Reinhardt is planning on visiting next month (which, I have a feeling he will make a visit).
An interesting month coming up.
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It will indeed be a very interesting month, or should I say 51 days.
Sounds like we have commited recruits helping us with both Katin and Amile, and every body assisting with KA.
When KA comes on board on 9/20 that I believe leaves one spot open. I hope Katin and Amile know that.
What a great position Coach Lavin has put us in.
Both players have great skills. We can only win with either player.
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It will indeed be a very interesting month, or should I say 51 days.
Sounds like we have commited recruits helping us with both Katin and Amile, and every body assisting with KA.
When KA comes on board on 9/20 that I believe leaves one spot open. I hope Katin and Amile know that.
What a great position Coach Lavin has put us in.
Both players have great skills. We can only win with either player.
*If KA Comes on board*
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I stopped being "worried" since the Bayou Bull and others asked me to trust in Coach Lavin, so I will stick with my positive phraseology, and go with "When KA comes on board on 9/20!". Others, who worry, can go with the "if".
How am I doing Moose and MJ?
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I stopped being "worried" since the Bayou Bull and others asked me to trust in Coach Lavin, so I will stick with my positive phraseology, and go with "When KA comes on board on 9/20!". Others, who worry, can go with the "if".
How am I doing Moose and MJ?
LOL I love your confidence, Gumby. Really, I do. I'm close to start saying, "when," but I wanna hold off for a few more weeks and will continue to say, "if."
Not to hijack Reinhardt's thread, but I'll say this much.... If, Kyle visits St. John's again before his announcement date then I'll start to say "when."
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I aint never seen this kid before.
So a question: Why they listin him as a 2g when the highlights make him look like he a straight up point?
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I aint never seen this kid before.
So a question: Why they listin him as a 2g when the highlights make him look like he a straight up point?
Good question. When he committed to USC in December he cited the fact they wanted him to play shooting guard as a reason for the choice. He looks like an old school scoring guard that can get it done in a variety of ways. He supposed to be a sensational shooter as well.
You'd think the kid would want to play point at his height to be more appealing to NBA scouts.
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Katin Reinhardt Highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZLsw6wZAkA#ws)
Katin's sophomore highlights. Shows everything in this video and makes two defenders fall on their arses. Highlight video or not, there wasn't a player on our roster last year that could make some of the passes he makes in this.
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Wow, looks like the real deal!
I looked at his sophomore video. I liked how he boxed out his opponent when that player shot. His court vision is great. That keeps every one of his team mates in the game, as a pass could be coming at any time. Do we know his 3 pt shooting average?
He could be a very special player for us.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/08/01/katin-reinhardt-to-trim-list-soon/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/08/01/katin-reinhardt-to-trim-list-soon/)
Looks like he is going to trim his list down to 5. I really want this kid, he has a great handle and passing ability. Also looks like he can really shoot which is something you can always use more of.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/08/01/katin-reinhardt-to-trim-list-soon/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/08/01/katin-reinhardt-to-trim-list-soon/)
Looks like he is going to trim his list down to 5. I really want this kid, he has a great handle and passing ability. Also looks like he can really shoot which is something you can always use more of.
I'd be pretty shocked if we're not in his Final 5.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/08/01/katin-reinhardt-to-trim-list-soon/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/08/01/katin-reinhardt-to-trim-list-soon/)
Looks like he is going to trim his list down to 5. I really want this kid, he has a great handle and passing ability. Also looks like he can really shoot which is something you can always use more of.
Old news Zags...
Posted a few days ago...
http://johnnyjungle.com/columns/over-the-airwaves/katin-reinhardt-of-mater-dei-another-california-prospect-on-st-johns-radar/ (http://johnnyjungle.com/columns/over-the-airwaves/katin-reinhardt-of-mater-dei-another-california-prospect-on-st-johns-radar/)
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Also looks like he can really shoot which is something you can always use more of.
No doubt about it! Always a premium on shooters. Even moreso, with a guy who is capable of creating his own shot.
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Also looks like he can really shoot which is something you can always use more of.
No doubt about it! Always a premium on shooters. Even moreso, with a guy who is capable of creating his own shot.
good mechanics too
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Also looks like he can really shoot which is something you can always use more of.
No doubt about it! Always a premium on shooters. Even moreso, with a guy who is capable of creating his own shot.
MJ - even Durantula is giving him props. His head's gonna swell!
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Also looks like he can really shoot which is something you can always use more of.
No doubt about it! Always a premium on shooters. Even moreso, with a guy who is capable of creating his own shot.
MJ - even Durantula is giving him props. His head's gonna swell!
LOL I guess Durantula maybe attempting to help out Texas. I do believe we'll end up in his final 5 and possibly, get him on campus later this month.
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So the keys here are to make Katin's final 5 list, which I believe we will make, and then have him on campus in mid to late August.
I liked Dan's article on Katin. It highlighted the type of game (upbeat and pushing the ball) Katin wants to be involved with. Who will have a more upbeat tempo that us in the next few years?
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So the keys here are to make Katin's final 5 list, which I believe we will make, and then have him on campus in mid to late August.
I liked Dan's article on Katin. It highlighted the type of game (upbeat and pushing the ball) Katin wants to be involved with. Who will have a more upbeat tempo that us in the next few years?
That's the ultimate rhetorical question. One that we all love the answer to!
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Also looks like he can really shoot which is something you can always use more of.
No doubt about it! Always a premium on shooters. Even moreso, with a guy who is capable of creating his own shot.
MJ - even Durantula is giving him props. His head's gonna swell!
LOL I guess Durantula maybe attempting to help out Texas. I do believe we'll end up in his final 5 and possibly, get him on campus later this month.
If a NBA player and Booster like Durant is using twitter to convince him to go to Texas, it's probably a pretty big and public violation. Even regular fans and boosters are not supposed to be using twitter for that purpose.
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Sounds like a great plan to me. Katin, go to Texas, average 30 points per game, and then become an NBA lottery pick. What's wrong with that?
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Pretty sure Durant knows a couple of our incoming recruits as well though. Lindsey and Garrett come to mind.
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I have a strange/good feeling this kid will be like the Pointer recruitment. Sort of came out of nowhere, we never thought SJU was his leader, we were recruiting Harkless/Garrett/Sampson so he did not look like a need recruit and then BAM he verbals.
And now we love it.
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Didn't see it posted, but MCN referenced that Katin and Gathers are cool now...so I looked at twitter and saw that they exchanged cell phone #'s the same day Gathers committed and Katin tweeted that he was going to the gym to get jacked like his "bro" Gathers. Hopefully Norvelle, Gathers, and some other current Johnnies can stay in Katin's ear.
It's great that we have the kind of players that other guys want to play with. I always felt that current and former players were the best recruiters for a program--especially in the era of the mega-teams being formed in the NBA.
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Didn't see it posted, but MCN referenced that Katin and Gathers are cool now...so I looked at twitter and saw that they exchanged cell phone #'s the same day Gathers committed and Katin tweeted that he was going to the gym to get jacked like his "bro" Gathers. Hopefully Norvelle, Gathers, and some other current Johnnies can stay in Katin's ear.
It's great that we have the kind of players that other guys want to play with. I always felt that current and former players were the best recruiters for a program--especially in the era of the mega-teams being formed in the NBA.
Those connections are why I think we have a good shot at Katin. The fact that these kids recruit each other seems to be a signature Lavin thing as well. When putting together our 2011 class, Lavin made great effort to connect all these players together socially and keep them involved not only with the coaches, but with each other. Lavin tries to foster that team/family vibe amongst them and it seems to really work. For most teams, kids meet each other only when they get to campus. For SJU, laving got these kids meeting at is8, Even staying together at Rise academy as they finish schooling. It's great what is going on and how it's being done. Hopefully we'll add Katinmto the roster. Really like his game a lot, and love having a deadly shooter on board.
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Didn't see it posted, but MCN referenced that Katin and Gathers are cool now...so I looked at twitter and saw that they exchanged cell phone #'s the same day Gathers committed and Katin tweeted that he was going to the gym to get jacked like his "bro" Gathers. Hopefully Norvelle, Gathers, and some other current Johnnies can stay in Katin's ear.
It's great that we have the kind of players that other guys want to play with. I always felt that current and former players were the best recruiters for a program--especially in the era of the mega-teams being formed in the NBA.
Those connections are why I think we have a good shot at Katin. The fact that these kids recruit each other seems to be a signature Lavin thing as well. When putting together our 2011 class, Lavin made great effort to connect all these players together socially and keep them involved not only with the coaches, but with each other. Lavin tries to foster that team/family vibe amongst them and it seems to really work. For most teams, kids meet each other only when they get to campus. For SJU, laving got these kids meeting at is8, Even staying together at Rise academy as they finish schooling. It's great what is going on and how it's being done. Hopefully we'll add Katinmto the roster. Really like his game a lot, and love having a deadly shooter on board.
Deadly shooter II...Harrison will be Deadly shooter #1. LOL
Nice time to be a SJU fan...A decade of Jarvis and Norm debacles is fading away fast, though never fast enough
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Looks like he will visit UNLV this week.
Parents take a trip to Vegas every summer and he may use it to stop by the campus. Makes sense:
http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2011/08/katin-reinhardt-likely-to-visit-unlv-this-week/ (http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2011/08/katin-reinhardt-likely-to-visit-unlv-this-week/)
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I hope Katin and his parents also decide to visit his grand parents in NJ this summer, with a side trip to Queens.
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I hope Katin and his parents also decide to visit his grand parents in NJ this summer, with a side trip to Queens.
He said he was going to try to take an unofficial, so it's probably as you've laid it out
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http://www.premierball.com/questions-answers-w-2012-katin-reinhardt/ (http://www.premierball.com/questions-answers-w-2012-katin-reinhardt/)
Katin Q & A.
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http://www.premierball.com/questions-answers-w-2012-katin-reinhardt/ (http://www.premierball.com/questions-answers-w-2012-katin-reinhardt/)
Katin Q & A.
Why is someone who doesnt even know he decommited, interviewing him?
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Katin to visit 3 schools in august per scout but I don't have subscription. Guessing unlv, SJU and ncsu??
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Katin to visit 3 schools in august per scout but I don't have subscription. Guessing unlv, SJU and ncsu??
No. UNLV , Texas and Baylor.
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He has family in Vegas and in Texas. He is going to visit them this month so he will try to stop by those 3 schools when he does.
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That is how I interpret it as well. I mean let's get real, If a coach told me that, I'd sign in a second. BS or no BS.
I wouldn't, I'd see a coach who was either soo desperate to get me that he was willing to fork on the court control over to a freshman, or a coach who was just lying right through his teeth to get me there.
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Duke hasn't had a lot of guards in general that are much better, but to be more specific white guards better than Jimmer. Dude won the Naismith award for the best player in college basketball. I wouldn't say they have had a LOT better than him. As far as college guards go, Jimmer was top notch and his numbers I am sure could compare with most that Duke has put out. In addition, he often did it through double-teams unlike any player at Duke. No doubt they have had their share of excellent PG's, but Jimmer is up there with the better ones that Duke has put out.
Jimmer doesn't have dick on JJ Redick, in my opinion.
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Duke hasn't had a lot of guards in general that are much better, but to be more specific white guards better than Jimmer. Dude won the Naismith award for the best player in college basketball. I wouldn't say they have had a LOT better than him. As far as college guards go, Jimmer was top notch and his numbers I am sure could compare with most that Duke has put out. In addition, he often did it through double-teams unlike any player at Duke. No doubt they have had their share of excellent PG's, but Jimmer is up there with the better ones that Duke has put out.
Jimmer doesn't have dick on JJ Redick, in my opinion.
Jimmer is better than JJ Reddick every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Reddick ran in a circle the entire game and came off screens for every shot. Jimmer can create his own shot.
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Duke hasn't had a lot of guards in general that are much better, but to be more specific white guards better than Jimmer. Dude won the Naismith award for the best player in college basketball. I wouldn't say they have had a LOT better than him. As far as college guards go, Jimmer was top notch and his numbers I am sure could compare with most that Duke has put out. In addition, he often did it through double-teams unlike any player at Duke. No doubt they have had their share of excellent PG's, but Jimmer is up there with the better ones that Duke has put out.
Jimmer doesn't have dick on JJ Redick, in my opinion.
Jimmer is better than JJ Reddick every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Reddick ran in a circle the entire game and came off screens for every shot. Jimmer can create his own shot.
I'll take Redick. He scored his points in the confines of the offense for the most part, and didn't run a one man show where he dominated the ball and chucked 30 foot 3 pointers all game. JJ played for some much more talented teams with more scoring distribution and still averaged 20 a game for his whole career. I'm just not a fan of the ball dominating/ hero chucker style Jimmer plays. If we could recruit a Jimmer clone or a JJ clone to join St Johns right now, I would take Redick. Maybe not the pure talent, but played in the style of the offense and din't run a one man show.
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Duke hasn't had a lot of guards in general that are much better, but to be more specific white guards better than Jimmer. Dude won the Naismith award for the best player in college basketball. I wouldn't say they have had a LOT better than him. As far as college guards go, Jimmer was top notch and his numbers I am sure could compare with most that Duke has put out. In addition, he often did it through double-teams unlike any player at Duke. No doubt they have had their share of excellent PG's, but Jimmer is up there with the better ones that Duke has put out.
Jimmer doesn't have dick on JJ Redick, in my opinion.
Jimmer is better than JJ Reddick every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Reddick ran in a circle the entire game and came off screens for every shot. Jimmer can create his own shot.
I'll take Redick. He scored his points in the confines of the offense for the most part, and didn't run a one man show where he dominated the ball and chucked 30 foot 3 pointers all game. JJ played for some much more talented teams with more scoring distribution and still averaged 20 a game for his whole career. I'm just not a fan of the ball dominating/ hero chucker style Jimmer plays. If we could recruit a Jimmer clone or a JJ clone to join St Johns right now, I would take Redick. Maybe not the pure talent, but played in the style of the offense and din't run a one man show.
You're being swayed by the Duke/Shisheski method. Jimmer took a lot of shots because he had to, and nobody could stop him. Reddick took a lot of shots because he was a good shooter playing with 10 other McD's players. Jimmer is the better player every day of the week regardless. Using Duke players, that's like saying I'd choose Wojo over Kyrie Irving because he played better in the framework of the offense.
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Zags latest article doesn't mention when Katin will visit St. John's, but his father Ernie will be on the East coast from Aug. 9-11 and he said he might check out the campus by himself.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/08/03/reinhardt-planning-visits/#more-55505 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/08/03/reinhardt-planning-visits/#more-55505)
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Duke hasn't had a lot of guards in general that are much better, but to be more specific white guards better than Jimmer. Dude won the Naismith award for the best player in college basketball. I wouldn't say they have had a LOT better than him. As far as college guards go, Jimmer was top notch and his numbers I am sure could compare with most that Duke has put out. In addition, he often did it through double-teams unlike any player at Duke. No doubt they have had their share of excellent PG's, but Jimmer is up there with the better ones that Duke has put out.
Jimmer doesn't have dick on JJ Redick, in my opinion.
Jimmer is better than JJ Reddick every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Reddick ran in a circle the entire game and came off screens for every shot. Jimmer can create his own shot.
I'll take Redick. He scored his points in the confines of the offense for the most part, and didn't run a one man show where he dominated the ball and chucked 30 foot 3 pointers all game. JJ played for some much more talented teams with more scoring distribution and still averaged 20 a game for his whole career. I'm just not a fan of the ball dominating/ hero chucker style Jimmer plays. If we could recruit a Jimmer clone or a JJ clone to join St Johns right now, I would take Redick. Maybe not the pure talent, but played in the style of the offense and din't run a one man show.
Think the respective supporting casts of the two teams had something to do with the divergent styles of play?
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Even though Jevon is a local, I would take guy over him in a heartbeat
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Even though Jevon is a local, I would take guy over him in a heartbeat
Wait, you are saying you would take yourself, Guy, over Jevon?
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Ha no, I didn't even realize that when I posted. How could you not fall in love with this kid though after you watch his videos.
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Ha no, I didn't even realize that when I posted. How could you not fall in love with this kid though after you watch his videos.
Am in love with him. Plan to propose soon. :) :) :)
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Ha no, I didn't even realize that when I posted. How could you not fall in love with this kid though after you watch his videos.
Am in love with him. Plan to propose soon. :) :) :)
Go for it..... we live in Zoo York, anything goes here. :D
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Am in love with him. Plan to propose soon. :) :) :)
He's from Orange County. He may be too conservative for you.
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Visiting Texas and Baylor as previously noted. Has his list of 7 schools including SJU:
"It's going great, actually," said Reinhardt when asked about his summer. "Summer went well for me. I was hurt basically all of the July period with a sprained ankle, and then I played in Vegas and played very well. St. John's and West Virginia are my new offers."
In addition to St. John's and West Virginia, the nation's No. 43 prospect overall in the Rivals150 has put together a list of teams that are very interested in him, and teams with which he's communicating a lot.
"I think I have six or seven schools that are very interested in terms of calling and me staying in touch with them," the 6-4, 175-pound shooting guard stated. "I don't have a list of five, but these are the seven schools: Texas, Baylor, UNLV, Syracuse, Washington State, St. John's and West Virginia."
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1250259 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1250259)
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Fordham, he also said he always wanted to choose by September, and might make a choice prior to taking his official to that campus. Sounds like a kid will figure out where he wants to go and then take an official. I still feel good about this kid.
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I would like to think that a recruit would visit his top choice's campus at least once before making his decision. Do recruits actual pick their schools without seeing the campuses (or is it campi)?
In Katin's situation, his father's pending trip may be that visit. I think some of our 2011 recruits brought their families for their visits, and I might add, the parents were very impressed with our "new" campus.
However, I still think a high recruit like Katin would want to visit his top pick before making that final decision.
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Duke hasn't had a lot of guards in general that are much better, but to be more specific white guards better than Jimmer. Dude won the Naismith award for the best player in college basketball. I wouldn't say they have had a LOT better than him. As far as college guards go, Jimmer was top notch and his numbers I am sure could compare with most that Duke has put out. In addition, he often did it through double-teams unlike any player at Duke. No doubt they have had their share of excellent PG's, but Jimmer is up there with the better ones that Duke has put out.
Jimmer doesn't have dick on JJ Redick, in my opinion.
Jimmer is better than JJ Reddick every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Reddick ran in a circle the entire game and came off screens for every shot. Jimmer can create his own shot.
I'll take Redick. He scored his points in the confines of the offense for the most part, and didn't run a one man show where he dominated the ball and chucked 30 foot 3 pointers all game. JJ played for some much more talented teams with more scoring distribution and still averaged 20 a game for his whole career. I'm just not a fan of the ball dominating/ hero chucker style Jimmer plays. If we could recruit a Jimmer clone or a JJ clone to join St Johns right now, I would take Redick. Maybe not the pure talent, but played in the style of the offense and din't run a one man show.
Think the respective supporting casts of the two teams had something to do with the divergent styles of play?
Sure, but it also makes the fact that Redick was such a steady source of his teams offense for 4 years all the more impressive when you consider the talent he had around him. MCNPA said that Jimmer was better then Redick because he could create his own show but there are two problems with that. One, Jimmer is "creating his own shot" against vastly inferior competition to what Duke faced, not to mention a lot of his created shots are really just 25 foot pull up jumpers where of course he isn't going to be guarded, and two, we don't know if Redick could have created his own shot at the college level because was never called upon to do so, but I do know that he could stop on a dime and bury a jump shot, much as we have seen Jimmer do. MCNPA said that all Redick did was run circles around the court all game and come off screens, as an indictment of his game, but this is an immensely important skill to have as a shooter. It takes incredible stamina to run around like that and then rise up and knock down shots, while also fatiguing the defense.
So, while Jimmer may be able to create a shot for himself, Redick can too, by moving without the ball and using his teammates to create space for himself. What will come at the professional level (for Jimmer) is anybody's guess, but as college players, they were very similarly productive, sure they did it in different styles, and Redick did it mostly by running circles and releasing quick jumpers, but that's exactly the M.O. of Ray Allen, and who wants to guard Ray Allen?
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Duke hasn't had a lot of guards in general that are much better, but to be more specific white guards better than Jimmer. Dude won the Naismith award for the best player in college basketball. I wouldn't say they have had a LOT better than him. As far as college guards go, Jimmer was top notch and his numbers I am sure could compare with most that Duke has put out. In addition, he often did it through double-teams unlike any player at Duke. No doubt they have had their share of excellent PG's, but Jimmer is up there with the better ones that Duke has put out.
Jimmer doesn't have dick on JJ Redick, in my opinion.
Jimmer is better than JJ Reddick every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Reddick ran in a circle the entire game and came off screens for every shot. Jimmer can create his own shot.
I'll take Redick. He scored his points in the confines of the offense for the most part, and didn't run a one man show where he dominated the ball and chucked 30 foot 3 pointers all game. JJ played for some much more talented teams with more scoring distribution and still averaged 20 a game for his whole career. I'm just not a fan of the ball dominating/ hero chucker style Jimmer plays. If we could recruit a Jimmer clone or a JJ clone to join St Johns right now, I would take Redick. Maybe not the pure talent, but played in the style of the offense and din't run a one man show.
Think the respective supporting casts of the two teams had something to do with the divergent styles of play?
Sure, but it also makes the fact that Redick was such a steady source of his teams offense for 4 years all the more impressive when you consider the talent he had around him. MCNPA said that Jimmer was better then Redick because he could create his own show but there are two problems with that. One, Jimmer is "creating his own shot" against vastly inferior competition to what Duke faced, not to mention a lot of his created shots are really just 25 foot pull up jumpers where of course he isn't going to be guarded, and two, we don't know if Redick could have created his own shot at the college level because was never called upon to do so, but I do know that he could stop on a dime and bury a jump shot, much as we have seen Jimmer do. MCNPA said that all Redick did was run circles around the court all game and come off screens, as an indictment of his game, but this is an immensely important skill to have as a shooter. It takes incredible stamina to run around like that and then rise up and knock down shots, while also fatiguing the defense.
So, while Jimmer may be able to create a shot for himself, Redick can too, by moving without the ball and using his teammates to create space for himself. What will come at the professional level (for Jimmer) is anybody's guess, but as college players, they were very similarly productive, sure they did it in different styles, and Redick did it mostly by running circles and releasing quick jumpers, but that's exactly the M.O. of Ray Allen, and who wants to guard Ray Allen?
You lost all credibility comparing Reddick to Ray Allen. Ray Allen did a lot more than that. Jimmer could play reddick's role if he were at duke and probably better. Difference is that Jimmer could also be a primary ball handler and distributor. Jimmer also didn't do it against inferior competition. He averaged almost 36 ppg and even singlehandedly crushed a Gonzaga team that dismantled us and dropped 36 vs Florida after that.
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You lost all credibility comparing Reddick to Ray Allen. Ray Allen did a lot more than that. Jimmer could play reddick's role if he were at duke and probably better. Difference is that Jimmer could also be a primary ball handler and distributor. Jimmer also didn't do it against inferior competition. He averaged almost 36 ppg and even singlehandedly crushed a Gonzaga team that dismantled us and dropped 36 vs Florida after that.
Is something missing from this post? If Jimmer had averaged almost 36 I'd be singing his praises to high heaven. But there's a huge difference between 36 and the 29 he actually scored ag ame (and yes, by padding his numbers with 52 against an average New Mexico team, 47 againt a pitiful Utah squad, and 76 in two games vs. a sub 20 win Colorado State team.
And most important re: Jimmer/JJ going forward: JJ's 6'4. Jimmer 6'2. Not such a big deal when you're playing in the 14th ranked conference in D-1 (WCC this past year), but a huge difference in the NBA
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I would like to think that a recruit would visit his top choice's campus at least once before making his decision. Do recruits actual pick their schools without seeing the campuses (or is it campi)?
In Katin's situation, his father's pending trip may be that visit. I think some of our 2011 recruits brought their families for their visits, and I might add, the parents were very impressed with our "new" campus.
However, I still think a high recruit like Katin would want to visit his top pick before making that final decision.
Anyone know if his Dad did indeed make it onto campus at some point. I think today was going to be his last day of the trip.
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@EvanDanielscout: Katin Reinhardt just committed to UNLV, per his father.
Well, seemed like a longshot anyway.
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Just Committed to UNLV per Evan Daniels
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@EvanDanielscout: Katin Reinhardt just committed to UNLV, per his father.
Well, seemed like a longshot anyway.
I guess he envisioned getting the green light from Rice. Nevertheless, good luck to Katin!
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Good luck to him, I think we have a need for size anyway rather than a 2 guard
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@EvanDanielscout: Katin Reinhardt just committed to UNLV, per his father.
Well, seemed like a longshot anyway.
I guess he envisioned getting the green light from Rice. Nevertheless, good luck to Katin!
Some kids like to be the BIG FISH in the small pond........... thing is the kid's just not that good.
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Odd choice. Good luck to him in the small pond he will be swimming in. He seems like a good kid.
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Guess he liked hearing he could be the next jimmer. Good luck to him.
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@EvanDanielscout: Katin Reinhardt just committed to UNLV, per his father.
Well, seemed like a longshot anyway.
I guess he envisioned getting the green light from Rice. Nevertheless, good luck to Katin!
Some kids like to be the BIG FISH in the small pond........... thing is the kid's just not that good.
Come on. SMH
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@EvanDanielscout: Katin Reinhardt just committed to UNLV, per his father.
Well, seemed like a longshot anyway.
I guess he envisioned getting the green light from Rice. Nevertheless, good luck to Katin!
Some kids like to be the BIG FISH in the small pond........... thing is the kid's just not that good.
Come on. SMH
Double SMH . He didn't commit here .. so now he is no good? Honestly Realfan. How would you know how good he is? It was a big decision for the kid and he chose the situation that he felt was best. Wish the kid luck. I am just glad we now don't have to hang on every recruits decision.
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thing is the kid's just not that good.
Yet Lavin would have wanted him to play the point for 15 minutes a game if Lindsey splits and Anderson goes elsewhere. Go figure.
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Its not like he picked Toledo or something UNLV is a solid program. We haven't missed on many guys so its weird when we do but we were only on this guy for a very small amount of time. This kid looks like a very good player and is rated highly by all the recruiting sites so anyone who says otherwise is misinformed. We wouldn't have been recruiting him if he wasn't that good.
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Dave Rice was on this kid all spring and summer since he was hired. The guy just outworked everyone on Katin.
Good job by UNLV and move on.
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So do we now focus on Amile, or keep the spot open for 2013 or a transfer/JC?
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Duke hasn't had a lot of guards in general that are much better, but to be more specific white guards better than Jimmer. Dude won the Naismith award for the best player in college basketball. I wouldn't say they have had a LOT better than him. As far as college guards go, Jimmer was top notch and his numbers I am sure could compare with most that Duke has put out. In addition, he often did it through double-teams unlike any player at Duke. No doubt they have had their share of excellent PG's, but Jimmer is up there with the better ones that Duke has put out.
Jimmer doesn't have dick on JJ Redick, in my opinion.
Jimmer is better than JJ Reddick every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Reddick ran in a circle the entire game and came off screens for every shot. Jimmer can create his own shot.
I'll take Redick. He scored his points in the confines of the offense for the most part, and didn't run a one man show where he dominated the ball and chucked 30 foot 3 pointers all game. JJ played for some much more talented teams with more scoring distribution and still averaged 20 a game for his whole career. I'm just not a fan of the ball dominating/ hero chucker style Jimmer plays. If we could recruit a Jimmer clone or a JJ clone to join St Johns right now, I would take Redick. Maybe not the pure talent, but played in the style of the offense and din't run a one man show.
Think the respective supporting casts of the two teams had something to do with the divergent styles of play?
Sure, but it also makes the fact that Redick was such a steady source of his teams offense for 4 years all the more impressive when you consider the talent he had around him. MCNPA said that Jimmer was better then Redick because he could create his own show but there are two problems with that. One, Jimmer is "creating his own shot" against vastly inferior competition to what Duke faced, not to mention a lot of his created shots are really just 25 foot pull up jumpers where of course he isn't going to be guarded, and two, we don't know if Redick could have created his own shot at the college level because was never called upon to do so, but I do know that he could stop on a dime and bury a jump shot, much as we have seen Jimmer do. MCNPA said that all Redick did was run circles around the court all game and come off screens, as an indictment of his game, but this is an immensely important skill to have as a shooter. It takes incredible stamina to run around like that and then rise up and knock down shots, while also fatiguing the defense.
So, while Jimmer may be able to create a shot for himself, Redick can too, by moving without the ball and using his teammates to create space for himself. What will come at the professional level (for Jimmer) is anybody's guess, but as college players, they were very similarly productive, sure they did it in different styles, and Redick did it mostly by running circles and releasing quick jumpers, but that's exactly the M.O. of Ray Allen, and who wants to guard Ray Allen?
You lost all credibility comparing Reddick to Ray Allen. Ray Allen did a lot more than that. Jimmer could play reddick's role if he were at duke and probably better. Difference is that Jimmer could also be a primary ball handler and distributor. Jimmer also didn't do it against inferior competition. He averaged almost 36 ppg and even singlehandedly crushed a Gonzaga team that dismantled us and dropped 36 vs Florida after that.
Again, cite Jimmers production through his career, but Redick was equally as productive (more, considering he was very good even as a frosh and a soph), while playing in the confines of the offense and competing with much better players, both defending him and also competing with good players on his own team for minutes and points. I lose all credibility by comparing Allen to Redick? Ok, I guess it's a good thing I don't care one iota about my credibility with you, but Ray Allen has been running off screens for the last ten years, and considering you said it is all Redick can do, I think it is a reasonable comparison. Maybe Allen was more explosive when he was younger or something, but that doesn't really have anything to do with anything. You are indicting a ridiculously productive player, one of the more productive college players in recent memory, because he ran off screens and played a team concept. At least with Ray Allens Celtic career, that is precisely what he has been asked to do, and not to many people enjoy guarding that guy. Also, if your case that Jimmer is hands down better then JJ is so slam dunk, why are you completely fabricating statistics to prove your point?
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Congrats to him. I really liked his game. We only got on him recently, so thought we might be able to pry our way in.
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Damn, I love the PG's who can pass the ball. Would have loved to have him running the show in Queens, but figuring Anderson coming on board-not much time to be had
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UNLV is going to be legit again. Watchout they are bringing that program back to the LJ days
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Damn, I love the PG's who can pass the ball. Would have loved to have him running the show in Queens, but figuring Anderson coming on board-not much time to be had
Weren't you saying Kyle to SHU all this time?
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Mother
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Damn, I love the PG's who can pass the ball. Would have loved to have him running the show in Queens, but figuring Anderson coming on board-not much time to be had
Weren't you saying Kyle to SHU all this time?
I think I rescinded that statement in 1 if these threads. Hopefully I dont put the mush on this, but Im going to say there is no way Anderson wont be a Johnny. At this point, if Lavin wants you-its got to be pretty damn tough to turn him down. In the past, we would be begging a guy like Dingle(just using him as an example) to stay home and play. Now it seems we dont even have a scholarship for players like him. Also, players who are not elite(top 50) probably realize there would be minimal minutes for a few years at the Guard,Wing,SF positions. This staff and program are the hottest in the Nation imo, recruits and their handlers would have to be living under a rock not to realize this
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Damn, I love the PG's who can pass the ball. Would have loved to have him running the show in Queens, but figuring Anderson coming on board-not much time to be had
Weren't you saying Kyle to SHU all this time?
I think I rescinded that statement in 1 if these threads. Hopefully I dont put the mush on this, but Im going to say there is no way Anderson wont be a Johnny. At this point, if Lavin wants you-its got to be pretty damn tough to turn him down. In the past, we would be begging a guy like Dingle(just using him as an example) to stay home and play. Now it seems we dont even have a scholarship for players like him. Also, players who are not elite(top 50) probably realize there would be minimal minutes for a few years at the Guard,Wing,SF positions. This staff and program are the hottest in the Nation imo, recruits and their handlers would have to be living under a rock not to realize this
I'm intrigued to know what changed your mind. I also don't recall you rescinding it but I will take your word for it.
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UNLV is going to be legit again. Watchout they are bringing that program back to the LJ days
Wouldnt go that far, bre.
I mean UNLV '90, '91 was the best college bball team I ever seen.
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@EvanDanielscout: Katin Reinhardt just committed to UNLV, per his father.
Well, seemed like a longshot anyway.
I guess he envisioned getting the green light from Rice. Nevertheless, good luck to Katin!
Some kids like to be the BIG FISH in the small pond........... thing is the kid's just not that good.
Come on. SMH
Double SMH . He didn't commit here .. so now he is no good? Honestly Realfan. How would you know how good he is? It was a big decision for the kid and he chose the situation that he felt was best. Wish the kid luck. I am just glad we now don't have to hang on every recruits decision.
Hey, I am entitled to my opinion. From what I have seen of him, I thought he was OK but certainly not the level of a Jimmer Ferdette or a program changer. He is good, but not the next GREAT ONE!! ::)
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UNLV is going to be legit again. Watchout they are bringing that program back to the LJ days
Wouldnt go that far, bre.
I mean UNLV '90, '91 was the best college bball team I ever seen.
Yeah, I think the best they can hope for is to continue what Kruger did there. UNLV will never win another national championship, but they could have years where they make it to the Elite Eight. And even that may be tough because Kruger could flat-out coach. The jury is still out on Rice.
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UNLV is going to be legit again. Watchout they are bringing that program back to the LJ days
Wouldnt go that far, bre.
I mean UNLV '90, '91 was the best college bball team I ever seen.
Yeah, I think the best they can hope for is to continue what Kruger did there. UNLV will never win another national championship, but they could have years where they make it to the Elite Eight. And even that may be tough because Kruger could flat-out coach. The jury is still out on Rice.
I wouldnt go that far to say they can't win a NCAA Championship. Butler has been a game away 2 yrs in a row. VCU's run. I think its very much possible if Rice gets them to the days when he played there. Legally of course :)
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I wouldnt go that far to say they can't win a NCAA Championship. Butler has been a game away 2 yrs in a row. VCU's run. I think its very much possible if Rice gets them to the days when he played there. Legally of course :)
No more of this, huh?
(http://www.reviewjournal.com/images/business/perryhottub.jpg)
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I wouldnt go that far to say they can't win a NCAA Championship. Butler has been a game away 2 yrs in a row. VCU's run. I think its very much possible if Rice gets them to the days when he played there. Legally of course :)
No more of this, huh?
(http://www.reviewjournal.com/images/business/perryhottub.jpg)
Okay, who can identify the caucasian gentleman without looking it up?
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I wouldnt go that far to say they can't win a NCAA Championship. Butler has been a game away 2 yrs in a row. VCU's run. I think its very much possible if Rice gets them to the days when he played there. Legally of course :)
No more of this, huh?
(http://www.reviewjournal.com/images/business/perryhottub.jpg)
Okay, who can identify the caucasian gentleman without looking it up?
Theo Rabinowitz
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I wouldnt go that far to say they can't win a NCAA Championship. Butler has been a game away 2 yrs in a row. VCU's run. I think its very much possible if Rice gets them to the days when he played there. Legally of course :)
No more of this, huh?
Okay, who can identify the caucasian gentleman without looking it up?
Theo Rabinowitz
A little better view:
(http://www.thegoodgamblingguide.co.uk/images/lasvegas/blackbook/perry.jpg)
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Okay, who can identify the caucasian gentleman without looking it up?
Richard "The Fixer" rings a bell, but no clue on last name.
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Okay, who can identify the caucasian gentleman without looking it up?
Richard "The Fixer" rings a bell, but no clue on last name.
To quote Sherman Potter, "Give that man a cheroot!" Richard "Richie the Fixer" Perry.....In his hot tub with 3 of Tarkanian's Running Rebels.
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Okay, who can identify the caucasian gentleman without looking it up?
Richard "The Fixer" rings a bell, but no clue on last name.
To quote Sherman Potter, "Give that man a cheroot!" Richard "Richie the Fixer" Perry.....In his hot tub with 3 of Tarkanian's Running Rebels.
Ginger ale in those cans?
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Okay, who can identify the caucasian gentleman without looking it up?
Richard "The Fixer" rings a bell, but no clue on last name.
To quote Sherman Potter, "Give that man a cheroot!" Richard "Richie the Fixer" Perry.....In his hot tub with 3 of Tarkanian's Running Rebels.
I think one of those kids was Moses Scurry, a former recruit who could not qualify and had to JUCO in Texas, we eventually swapped his scholarship two years later with Boo Harvey who never ended up on Syracuse's campus
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Moses was recruited out of Brooklyn in the same class with Jayson Williams, but ultimately went the juco route.
He played pro ball in Japan and was sentenced to two years in prison in 1994 -- served something like six months -- for his role in a carjacking in which someone was shot.
(Hmmm, seems that Jayson and he continued to have something in common.)
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katin would have catapulted stjohns to new heights
9-14 from 3
13-19 for the game!
35 points vs Christ the king
would have been second coming of Mullin!
can actually jump out the gym!!!!
and made Calhoun from puykon look like a JV player! :D
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katin would have catapulted stjohns to new heights
9-14 from 3
13-19 for the game!
35 points vs Christ the king
would have been second coming of Mullin!
can actually jump out the gym!!!!
and made Calhoun from puykon look like a JV player! :D
Makes me wonder how being involved with Wood impacted Katin possibly.
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Katin looked awesome today. He really would fit in our system perfectly. He is a lights out shooter and has great vision. Really wish we had landed him
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Would have loved him here.
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Letter of intent??
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Letter of intent??
Signed.
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Now we just need Dave Rice to get caught with a hooker in a hotel room. I mean... it is Vegas right?
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Katin looked awesome today. He really would fit in our system perfectly. He is a lights out shooter and has great vision. Really wish we had landed him
What system wouldn't he fit into? ???
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Katin looked awesome today. He really would fit in our system perfectly. He is a lights out shooter and has great vision. Really wish we had landed him
What system wouldn't he fit into? ???
Someone who can dribble up the court with his head up and maybe get an assist,hit the side of a barn etc. That type of thing
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I heard from sources that he may not be comin to St. John.
Just sayin.
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I heard from sources that he may not be comin to St. John.
Just sayin.
You mean UNLV, correct?
BTW-Darrick Wood's interest in SJU and vice versa had little to do with Katin's commitment to UNLV. Vegas was always the favorite for his services.
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I heard from sources that he may not be comin to St. John.
Just sayin.
You mean UNLV, correct?
BTW-Darrick Wood's interest in SJU and vice versa had little to do with Katin's commitment to UNLV. Vegas was always the favorite for his services.
I think what Choz was saying is that he's not coming to STJ so lets stop talking about him.
While UNLV was always the favorite I can't help but wonder who committed first to where and if Wood being in the picture impacted.
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I heard from sources that he may not be comin to St. John.
Just sayin.
Nothing like being held hostage by an ineligible lazy recruit
You mean UNLV, correct?
BTW-Darrick Wood's interest in SJU and vice versa had little to do with Katin's commitment to UNLV. Vegas was always the favorite for his services.
I think what Choz was saying is that he's not coming to STJ so lets stop talking about him.
While UNLV was always the favorite I can't help but wonder who committed first to where and if Wood being in the picture impacted.
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It was courtin Kyle. Not Darrick.
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Maybe it is just me but this thread has become difficult to follow and understand. Can someone please help me and interupt please.?
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Maybe it is just me but this thread has become difficult to follow and understand. Can someone please help me and interupt please.?
Do you mean interpret or interrupt? ???
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interpret, sorry
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9ppg, 3 apg, 2 rpg
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I know he was a favorite of a lot of people on this board...looks like he's going to transfer.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/26/is-unlv-freshman-guard-katin-reinhardt-on-the-move/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/26/is-unlv-freshman-guard-katin-reinhardt-on-the-move/)