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Non-Sport Related Discussion => Union and Utopia => Topic started by: pmg911 on August 24, 2010, 03:45:27 PM
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I am surprised no one has started this thread...
Would love to hear opinions, thoughts, comments...
While I think everyone has the right to practice their religion, I think its incredible insensative for this group to look to build this mosque at this particular location.
Why there.? Why bring the negative attention to yourself.?
That being said, I don't turst the guy behind the project. Guy is just a shady character in my opinion and he refuses to even talk about the funding for this project. If he wants to build in such a sensative area for so many NYers, make the entire process transparent.
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I survived 9/11 and lost a few friends but I still don't have an issue with the Mosque. Are we assuming that all people who worship in a Mosque had something to do with the attacks? Any one who prays in a Mosque is some how guilty? I don't understand why they can't have a Mosque in that location. As far as I am concerned not allowing the Mosque means ALL Muslims are somehow guilty or had something to do with the attacks. What's next not allowing any one of Japanese descent in Hawii because of Pearl Harbor. If African Americans were behind the attack would baptist churches not be allowed? If the Pope was behind this project peopled would find a reason to complain because they feel soooo deeply affended. Not many share my opinion but I have no problem with it.
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Quite a few people share it, Peekskill. A friend wrote a post on his personal blog you might like: http://ludickid.livejournal.com/958795.html (http://ludickid.livejournal.com/958795.html) referring to John Wilkes Boothe and his confederate sympathizers. Islam didn't attack the US. Radicals did.
In all seriousness, isn't Park 51 or the Codoba house or whatever it's called supposed to be more than a mosque? I do think the decision should be put off for a while; it's b-s that politicians are using this to prove their toughness or bonafides. Are there plans for a church down there as well? Or to keep it entirely secular (and to maybe get the commemorative junk peddlers away from there? I'd love that. Pisses me off.)
Also, did you hear about how one of the backers of the Imam who wants to build the mosque is a co-owner of Fox News: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/0821/fox-shareholder-funded-mosque-imam/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2010/0821/fox-shareholder-funded-mosque-imam/) ?
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This mosque should be allowed to be built wherever a church is allowed to be built. Nobody should have the right to block the building of the mosque just as nobody should have the right to block the building of a church or synagogue, no matter where the location.
I love how many of the opposition of this mosque are also the first to tote the "American values" slogan whenever debating issues, and yet they throw religious freedoms under the bus in this case. It often seems like people feel we should have a freedom of religion....just as long as its their OWN religion.
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I'm more upset with the T-shirt stand selling 9/11 souvenirs outside of the site more than anything.
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This mosque should be allowed to be built wherever a church is allowed to be built. Nobody should have the right to block the building of the mosque just as nobody should have the right to block the building of a church or synagogue, no matter where the location.
I love how many of the opposition of this mosque are also the first to tote the "American values" slogan whenever debating issues, and yet they throw religious freedoms under the bus in this case. It often seems like people feel we should have a freedom of religion....just as long as its their OWN religion.
This is not a religious freedom issue.
Its an issue of sensitivity to the familes who were effected by the worst attack on our nations soil.
There is NO talk of erecting a new church in the area around Ground Zero only restoring a historical land mark that was destroyed.
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I survived 9/11 and lost a few friends but I still don't have an issue with the Mosque. Are we assuming that all people who worship in a Mosque had something to do with the attacks? Any one who prays in a Mosque is some how guilty? I don't understand why they can't have a Mosque in that location. As far as I am concerned not allowing the Mosque means ALL Muslims are somehow guilty or had something to do with the attacks. What's next not allowing any one of Japanese descent in Hawii because of Pearl Harbor. If African Americans were behind the attack would baptist churches not be allowed? If the Pope was behind this project peopled would find a reason to complain because they feel soooo deeply affended. Not many share my opinion but I have no problem with it.
I may be wrong, but did the Muslim world ever denounce the 9/11 attacks? What is their stance as a whole? How come they never turned in the guilty parties?
AS for me. I will never forgive and never forget. Take that mosque and shove it up their ass
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I survived 9/11 and lost a few friends but I still don't have an issue with the Mosque. Are we assuming that all people who worship in a Mosque had something to do with the attacks? Any one who prays in a Mosque is some how guilty? I don't understand why they can't have a Mosque in that location. As far as I am concerned not allowing the Mosque means ALL Muslims are somehow guilty or had something to do with the attacks. What's next not allowing any one of Japanese descent in Hawii because of Pearl Harbor. If African Americans were behind the attack would baptist churches not be allowed? If the Pope was behind this project peopled would find a reason to complain because they feel soooo deeply affended. Not many share my opinion but I have no problem with it.
I may be wrong, but did the Muslim world ever denounce the 9/11 attacks? What is their stance as a whole? How come they never turned in the guilty parties?
AS for me. I will never forgive and never forget. Take that mosque and shove it up their ass
Who would represent the Muslim world? (There are a lot of Muslims from the US to the Middle East to France to Bosnoa-Herzogovina to China to Malaysia.) And the attackers themselves were killed or caught... it's Bin Laden that was never captured.
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I survived 9/11 and lost a few friends but I still don't have an issue with the Mosque. Are we assuming that all people who worship in a Mosque had something to do with the attacks? Any one who prays in a Mosque is some how guilty? I don't understand why they can't have a Mosque in that location. As far as I am concerned not allowing the Mosque means ALL Muslims are somehow guilty or had something to do with the attacks. What's next not allowing any one of Japanese descent in Hawii because of Pearl Harbor. If African Americans were behind the attack would baptist churches not be allowed? If the Pope was behind this project peopled would find a reason to complain because they feel soooo deeply affended. Not many share my opinion but I have no problem with it.
I may be wrong, but did the Muslim world ever denounce the 9/11 attacks? What is their stance as a whole? How come they never turned in the guilty parties?
AS for me. I will never forgive and never forget. Take that mosque and shove it up their ass
Who would represent the Muslim world? (There are a lot of Muslims from the US to the Middle East to France to Bosnoa-Herzogovina to China to Malaysia.) And the attackers themselves were killed or caught... it's Bin Laden that was never captured.
Well right now I'd have to say in most people eyes Bin Laden is the Muslim world leader. The silence from that people is telling
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This mosque should be allowed to be built wherever a church is allowed to be built. Nobody should have the right to block the building of the mosque just as nobody should have the right to block the building of a church or synagogue, no matter where the location.
I love how many of the opposition of this mosque are also the first to tote the "American values" slogan whenever debating issues, and yet they throw religious freedoms under the bus in this case. It often seems like people feel we should have a freedom of religion....just as long as its their OWN religion.
This is not a religious freedom issue.
Its an issue of sensitivity to the familes who were effected by the worst attack on our nations soil.
There is NO talk of erecting a new church in the area around Ground Zero only restoring a historical land mark that was destroyed.
By people protesting to BLOCKING the building of a church, it is. In fact, its also a stereotyping issue. I agree that it wouldn't be the best idea on their part for them to build it there, but they should have EVERY right to. To me, this smells like many Americans still profile and have it out for Muslims. Very sad.
Also, the thing is 4 blocks away from the site. How far away from the site do you want them to be allowed to build a place of worship or gathering??
I used the church analogy because if a plan comes in to build a church within 4 blocks of the site, I hope the people that protest this will also protest that, otherwise it is religious segregation.
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This mosque should be allowed to be built wherever a church is allowed to be built. Nobody should have the right to block the building of the mosque just as nobody should have the right to block the building of a church or synagogue, no matter where the location.
I love how many of the opposition of this mosque are also the first to tote the "American values" slogan whenever debating issues, and yet they throw religious freedoms under the bus in this case. It often seems like people feel we should have a freedom of religion....just as long as its their OWN religion.
This is not a religious freedom issue.
Its an issue of sensitivity to the familes who were effected by the worst attack on our nations soil.
There is NO talk of erecting a new church in the area around Ground Zero only restoring a historical land mark that was destroyed.
By people protesting to BLOCKING the building of a church, it is. In fact, its also a stereotyping issue. I agree that it wouldn't be the best idea on their part for them to build it there, but they should have EVERY right to. To me, this smells like many Americans still profile and have it out for Muslims. Very sad.
Also, the thing is 4 blocks away from the site. How far away from the site do you want them to be allowed to build a place of worship or gathering??
I used the church analogy because if a plan comes in to build a church within 4 blocks of the site, I hope the people that protest this will also protest that, otherwise it is religious segregation.
Profiling? Yup of course.The Muslim people have brought this upon themselves. Whose fault is it that everytime you hear the word Muslim, you think terrorist? What exactly have they done to improve their image?
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Whose fault is it that everytime you hear the word Muslim, you think terrorist?
People who think all Muslims are the same?
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I just want to remind everyone to respect everyone else's opinions if they may differ from yours. This could get very personal very fast when talking race/religion. Also keep in mind others may be more sensitive than others when talking about this so PLEASE be respectful.
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Baldi there are millions of muslims in the world, most of whom want nothing to do with bin laden or the extremists. the end of ramadan where there is a large feast, akin to christmas, may very well fall on sept eleventh this year, and there are many muslims and mosques who plan on toning down their celebrations. Personally, I think they should celebrate like normal and acknowledge the horror of sept eleventh in their own way, but the fact they are even considering scaling down their christmas-like celebration shows the sensitivitu many muslims have to this issue. Most muslims in america don't want any attention - esp sept eleventh kind - brought to them.
To say you think terrorist when you think muslim, shows your degree of maturity, sophistication, and intelligence. Sadly, many americans think like you so you are not alone.
I sympathize with both sides of the mosque argument - pmg and theo have presented good points on both sides. I have NO sympathy for bigots like certain people here who associate muslims w terrorists.
How long did it take for the catholic church to officially acknowledge the holocaust, or the inquisition? Did the rest of the world hate all catholics bc of that? I don't think so.
It truly disturbs me that a sophisticated dicussion on this site could devolve into this where I even feel passionate enough about the ignorance of some posters' opinions and generalizations. I thought we were a better group than that.
- tha kid
PS dave - I agree one hundred percent on the people selling stuff outside the wtc site. That's terrible.
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Baldi there are millions of muslims in the world, most of whom want nothing to do with bin laden or the extremists. the end of ramadan where there is a large feast, akin to christmas, may very well fall on sept eleventh this year, and there are many muslims and mosques who plan on toning down their celebrations. Personally, I think they should celebrate like normal and acknowledge the horror of sept eleventh in their own way, but the fact they are even considering scaling down their christmas-like celebration shows the sensitivitu many muslims have to this issue. Most muslims in america don't want any attention - esp sept eleventh kind - brought to them.
To say you think terrorist when you think muslim, shows your degree of maturity, sophistication, and intelligence. Sadly, many americans think like you so you are not alone.
I sympathize with both sides of the mosque argument - pmg and theo have presented good points on both sides. I have NO sympathy for bigots like certain people here who associate muslims w terrorists.
How long did it take for the catholic church to officially acknowledge the holocaust, or the inquisition? Did the rest of the world hate all catholics bc of that? I don't think so.
It truly disturbs me that a sophisticated dicussion on this site could devolve into this where I even feel passionate enough about the ignorance of some posters' opinions and generalizations. I thought we were a better group than that.
- tha kid
PS dave - I agree one hundred percent on the people selling stuff outside the wtc site. That's terrible.
Tell that to my brother who cant breathe anymore and is a shell of his former self, disintegrating day by day- Mentally and physically-and he was 1 of the lucky ones. He happenned to be off that day, but all the guys in his firehouse on duty were brutally murdered by these animals. So I could care less what all the politically correct, hipsters and anyone else who has forgotten and forgave these peoples actions. For me, I will never forgive or forget.
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Baldi there are millions of muslims in the world, most of whom want nothing to do with bin laden or the extremists. the end of ramadan where there is a large feast, akin to christmas, may very well fall on sept eleventh this year, and there are many muslims and mosques who plan on toning down their celebrations. Personally, I think they should celebrate like normal and acknowledge the horror of sept eleventh in their own way, but the fact they are even considering scaling down their christmas-like celebration shows the sensitivitu many muslims have to this issue. Most muslims in america don't want any attention - esp sept eleventh kind - brought to them.
To say you think terrorist when you think muslim, shows your degree of maturity, sophistication, and intelligence. Sadly, many americans think like you so you are not alone.
I sympathize with both sides of the mosque argument - pmg and theo have presented good points on both sides. I have NO sympathy for bigots like certain people here who associate muslims w terrorists.
How long did it take for the catholic church to officially acknowledge the holocaust, or the inquisition? Did the rest of the world hate all catholics bc of that? I don't think so.
It truly disturbs me that a sophisticated dicussion on this site could devolve into this where I even feel passionate enough about the ignorance of some posters' opinions and generalizations. I thought we were a better group than that.
- tha kid
PS dave - I agree one hundred percent on the people selling stuff outside the wtc site. That's terrible.
Tell that to my brother who cant breathe anymore and is a shell of his former self, disintegrating day by day- Mentally and physically-and he was 1 of the lucky ones. He happenned to be off that day, but all the guys in his firehouse on duty were brutally murdered by these animals. So I could care less what all the politically correct, hipsters and anyone else who has forgotten and forgave these peoples actions. For me, I will never forgive or forget.
I'm terribly sorry for your brother and for all of his fellow firemen. The terrorists and extremist Muslims are an awful group of people who truly are animals. I now understand why you have trouble accepting the fact that the majority of Muslims are not like that, but I am a conservative and I am able to easily distinguish between Muslims and Al Qaeda.
I have not forgiven the terrorists, nor forgotten. I also have not forgiven any regular Muslims who TRULY practice Islam which preaches the same things Christianity and Judaism, because there is nothing to forgive them for as they played no role in the September 11th attacks.
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Tell that to my brother who cant breathe anymore and is a shell of his former self, disintegrating day by day- Mentally and physically-and he was 1 of the lucky ones. He happenned to be off that day, but all the guys in his firehouse on duty were brutally murdered by these animals. So I could care less what all the politically correct, hipsters and anyone else who has forgotten and forgave these peoples actions. For me, I will never forgive or forget.
Nor should you forgive and forget the actions of the people who attacked our people. Or the a-holes who supported them. Even the people who didn't go after them as hard as they should have (after the USS Cole bombing in '98, I think). What happened to the responders, the people in the WTC... it's awful. Sorry to hear about your brother.
But Muslim people - like black Americans people, like Eastern European immigrants, like American-born Irish - are not one people with one thought, and they're not all responsible. Extremists are. I have worked with Muslims who are just as hurt about what happened, because they're Americans too. It's not about being politically correct, either.
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I don't think the problem is building the Mosque. It's more the comments that the head of it has made. He seems to blame America for the attacks and a bunch of other garbage. This is what i gathered through the media, which, as we know , can be twisted and turned in a multitude of directions. Its not about religious freedom, its about respect for what happened there. I was in the North Tower that morning so i have strong feelings about this. Build it somewhere else.
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I don't think the problem is building the Mosque. It's more the comments that the head of it has made. He seems to blame America for the attacks and a bunch of other garbage. This is what i gathered through the media, which, as we know , can be twisted and turned in a multitude of directions. Its not about religious freedom, its about respect for what happened there. I was in the North Tower that morning so i have strong feelings about this. Build it somewhere else.
But by telling them to "build it somewhere else," it IS about their religious freedom. Again I will ask, how far away do you deem acceptable that a mosque should be allowed to be built??
So I guess since we're denying freedoms based on sensitivity to tragic events:
Maybe we should block Christians from building churches near abortion clinics because of the nutcases that go and kill people in them, correct?? Isn't THAT act spurred by RADICALS who believe they are following the way of their scripture?? So I guess there shouldn't be a church built within 4 blocks of those clinics, correct??
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"Maybe we should block Christians from building churches near abortion clinics because of the nutcases that go and kill people in them, correct?? Isn't THAT act spurred by RADICALS who believe they are following the way of their scripture??"
If the head of that particular church made statements to the effect that those abortion doctors had brought violence upon themselves by performing abortions, then maybe they shouldn't build it next to a clinic. Just like Mel Gibson shouldn't open his Nazi pride museum next to a synagogue. Poor taste. He has the right to though, no?
Just because someone has the right to do something, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. There are over 150 mosques in NYC. To build one 2 blocks from the WTC site where the Imam has a shady background, to say the least, is in poor taste. You don't agree. That's fine. They want to open it on 9/11 as well. Come on.
This topic is going nowhere fast. People aren't going to change each others mind. I respect your stance. I won't have a further comment on it.
Peace....
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"Maybe we should block Christians from building churches near abortion clinics because of the nutcases that go and kill people in them, correct?? Isn't THAT act spurred by RADICALS who believe they are following the way of their scripture??"
If the head of that particular church made statements to the effect that those abortion doctors had brought violence upon themselves by performing abortions, then maybe they shouldn't build it next to a clinic. ....
If you're talking about Rauf's quotes during the 60 Minutes piece, you are completely misinterpreting the quotes. "The United States` policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.†That was in response to a question about what spurred an attack from Al Qaeda.
Also, the issue is that by saying its not "right" for a mosque to be built is punishing a whole religion for the actions of an EXTREMELY radical few. Just like blocking a church from being built near an abortion clinic in which violence took place would be punishing a whole religion for the actions of a radical few. It's stereotyping. The Muslim religion and the Qu'ran is not based in violence, just as the New Testament isn't based in violence. Once again, the actions of a radical few of a certain religion shouldn't lead to the stereotyping of a full group of people.
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"Maybe we should block Christians from building churches near abortion clinics because of the nutcases that go and kill people in them, correct?? Isn't THAT act spurred by RADICALS who believe they are following the way of their scripture??"
If the head of that particular church made statements to the effect that those abortion doctors had brought violence upon themselves by performing abortions, then maybe they shouldn't build it next to a clinic. ....
If you're talking about Rauf's quotes during the 60 Minutes piece, you are completely misinterpreting the quotes. "The United States` policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.” That was in response to a question about what spurred an attack from Al Qaeda.
Also, the issue is that by saying its not "right" for a mosque to be built is punishing a whole religion for the actions of an EXTREMELY radical few. Just like blocking a church from being built near an abortion clinic in which violence took place would be punishing a whole religion for the actions of a radical few. It's stereotyping. The Muslim religion and the Qu'ran is not based in violence, just as the New Testament isn't based in violence. Once again, the actions of a radical few of a certain religion shouldn't lead to the stereotyping of a full group of people.
Who bombed the World Trade Center back in 1993? Was that the Zen Buddhists? No it was guess who? The Muslims. How many times are we going to let them shit on us?
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They want to open it on 9/11 as well. ...
Incorrect. That was a false report and there is no evidence that this will open on 9/11/2011. In fact, the Imam has said there is no chance he would do that. Educate yourself.
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"Maybe we should block Christians from building churches near abortion clinics because of the nutcases that go and kill people in them, correct?? Isn't THAT act spurred by RADICALS who believe they are following the way of their scripture??"
If the head of that particular church made statements to the effect that those abortion doctors had brought violence upon themselves by performing abortions, then maybe they shouldn't build it next to a clinic. ....
If you're talking about Rauf's quotes during the 60 Minutes piece, you are completely misinterpreting the quotes. "The United States` policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.” That was in response to a question about what spurred an attack from Al Qaeda.
Also, the issue is that by saying its not "right" for a mosque to be built is punishing a whole religion for the actions of an EXTREMELY radical few. Just like blocking a church from being built near an abortion clinic in which violence took place would be punishing a whole religion for the actions of a radical few. It's stereotyping. The Muslim religion and the Qu'ran is not based in violence, just as the New Testament isn't based in violence. Once again, the actions of a radical few of a certain religion shouldn't lead to the stereotyping of a full group of people.
Who bombed the World Trade Center back in 1993? Was that the Zen Buddhists? No it was guess who? The Muslims. How many times are we going to let them shit on us?
It's an EXTREMIST group of Muslims.
Who protests the funerals of American soldiers??? Was that Zen Buddhists?? Don't think so. That's the Westboro Baptist Church, an EXTREMIST group of Christians. So I guess all Christians are hate-filled animals who have no respect for our soldiers, huh?? You're trying to lump Muslims together based on the actions of an extremist group, so why can't I lump Christians together??
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"Maybe we should block Christians from building churches near abortion clinics because of the nutcases that go and kill people in them, correct?? Isn't THAT act spurred by RADICALS who believe they are following the way of their scripture??"
If the head of that particular church made statements to the effect that those abortion doctors had brought violence upon themselves by performing abortions, then maybe they shouldn't build it next to a clinic. ....
If you're talking about Rauf's quotes during the 60 Minutes piece, you are completely misinterpreting the quotes. "The United States` policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.” That was in response to a question about what spurred an attack from Al Qaeda.
Also, the issue is that by saying its not "right" for a mosque to be built is punishing a whole religion for the actions of an EXTREMELY radical few. Just like blocking a church from being built near an abortion clinic in which violence took place would be punishing a whole religion for the actions of a radical few. It's stereotyping. The Muslim religion and the Qu'ran is not based in violence, just as the New Testament isn't based in violence. Once again, the actions of a radical few of a certain religion shouldn't lead to the stereotyping of a full group of people.
Who bombed the World Trade Center back in 1993? Was that the Zen Buddhists? No it was guess who? The Muslims. How many times are we going to let them shit on us?
It's an EXTREMIST group of Muslims.
Who protests the funerals of American soldiers??? Was that Zen Buddhists?? Don't think so. That's the Westboro Baptist Church, an EXTREMIST group of Christians. So I guess all Christians are hate-filled animals who have no respect for our soldiers, huh?? You're trying to lump Muslims together based on the actions of an extremist group, so why can't I lump Christians together??
Are they still Muslims? They attack the same buildings twice, now the Muslims(extremist or not) are trying to set up shop near the scene of the crime? I would be ashamed and embarassed, they need to police themselves ans show some respect. Build somewhere else. Maybe on Mars
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"Maybe we should block Christians from building churches near abortion clinics because of the nutcases that go and kill people in them, correct?? Isn't THAT act spurred by RADICALS who believe they are following the way of their scripture??"
If the head of that particular church made statements to the effect that those abortion doctors had brought violence upon themselves by performing abortions, then maybe they shouldn't build it next to a clinic. ....
If you're talking about Rauf's quotes during the 60 Minutes piece, you are completely misinterpreting the quotes. "The United States` policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.” That was in response to a question about what spurred an attack from Al Qaeda.
Also, the issue is that by saying its not "right" for a mosque to be built is punishing a whole religion for the actions of an EXTREMELY radical few. Just like blocking a church from being built near an abortion clinic in which violence took place would be punishing a whole religion for the actions of a radical few. It's stereotyping. The Muslim religion and the Qu'ran is not based in violence, just as the New Testament isn't based in violence. Once again, the actions of a radical few of a certain religion shouldn't lead to the stereotyping of a full group of people.
Who bombed the World Trade Center back in 1993? Was that the Zen Buddhists? No it was guess who? The Muslims. How many times are we going to let them shit on us?
It's an EXTREMIST group of Muslims.
Who protests the funerals of American soldiers??? Was that Zen Buddhists?? Don't think so. That's the Westboro Baptist Church, an EXTREMIST group of Christians. So I guess all Christians are hate-filled animals who have no respect for our soldiers, huh?? You're trying to lump Muslims together based on the actions of an extremist group, so why can't I lump Christians together??
Are they still Muslims? They attack the same buildings twice, now the Muslims(extremist or not) are trying to set up shop near the scene of the crime? I would be ashamed and embarassed, they need to police themselves ans show some respect. Build somewhere else. Maybe on Mars
Yet I'm sure you think it's ridiculous when foreigners hate all Americans just because of our government/military, right? I know I do.
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"Maybe we should block Christians from building churches near abortion clinics because of the nutcases that go and kill people in them, correct?? Isn't THAT act spurred by RADICALS who believe they are following the way of their scripture??"
If the head of that particular church made statements to the effect that those abortion doctors had brought violence upon themselves by performing abortions, then maybe they shouldn't build it next to a clinic. ....
If you're talking about Rauf's quotes during the 60 Minutes piece, you are completely misinterpreting the quotes. "The United States` policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.†That was in response to a question about what spurred an attack from Al Qaeda.
Also, the issue is that by saying its not "right" for a mosque to be built is punishing a whole religion for the actions of an EXTREMELY radical few. Just like blocking a church from being built near an abortion clinic in which violence took place would be punishing a whole religion for the actions of a radical few. It's stereotyping. The Muslim religion and the Qu'ran is not based in violence, just as the New Testament isn't based in violence. Once again, the actions of a radical few of a certain religion shouldn't lead to the stereotyping of a full group of people.
Who bombed the World Trade Center back in 1993? Was that the Zen Buddhists? No it was guess who? The Muslims. How many times are we going to let them shit on us?
It's an EXTREMIST group of Muslims.
Who protests the funerals of American soldiers??? Was that Zen Buddhists?? Don't think so. That's the Westboro Baptist Church, an EXTREMIST group of Christians. So I guess all Christians are hate-filled animals who have no respect for our soldiers, huh?? You're trying to lump Muslims together based on the actions of an extremist group, so why can't I lump Christians together??
Are they still Muslims? They attack the same buildings twice, now the Muslims(extremist or not) are trying to set up shop near the scene of the crime? I would be ashamed and embarassed, they need to police themselves ans show some respect. Build somewhere else. Maybe on Mars
Yet I'm sure you think it's ridiculous when foreigners hate all Americans just because of our government/military, right? I know I do.
No, I think its ridiculous that our government bails out these countries knowing that they still hate us and laugh at us. Menawhile, our genius leaders hesitate to help our own.
Maybe we should listen to the opinions of the victims' families on this one?
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This has NOTHING to do with another country, it has to do with OUR Freedom of Religion (you know, those American values you like to talk about??) and it has to do with not stereotyping Al Qaeda with the Muslim and Islam world.
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This has NOTHING to do with another country, it has to do with OUR Freedom of Religion (you know, those American values you like to talk about??) and it has to do with not stereotyping Al Qaeda with the Muslim and Islam world.
You dont think that 9/11 was an attack on America?
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you bleeding heart liberals are something else.
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This has NOTHING to do with another country, it has to do with OUR Freedom of Religion (you know, those American values you like to talk about??) and it has to do with not stereotyping Al Qaeda with the Muslim and Islam world.
You dont think that 9/11 was an attack on America?
What does that have to do with anything I just said?? Of course it was an attack on America. You're clumping Muslims into one group. Al Qaeda are the RADICALIST form of Muslims. Just like the Westboro Baptist Church is the RADICAL form of Christians.
So again, lets see how YOU like the stereotyping that you're doing of Muslims:
"Aren't the Westboro Baptist Church members still Christians? Those Christians love to protest the funerals of dead American soldiers, and now those Christians want to set up a (normal, non Westboro Baptist) church near (insert military cemetary). I would be ashamed and embarrassed. Those Christians need to police themselves and show some respect. Build somewhere else. Maybe on Mars"
See how I did that?? I turned YOUR form of radicals into the norm of YOUR religion, just like you did to Muslims.
So when you say sensitivity, why connect the building of a regular MOSQUE to your feelings?? If Muslims wanted to set up a gym near Ground Zero, would there be the same reaction?? Probably not, because its the stereotype in peoples minds that terrorism is the norm for Muslims. When in fact, its as much of the norm as protesting soldiers funerals is to Christianity.
And boo3 has already stated a falsehood that this is set to open on 9/11, which was merely a rumor and is absolutely not true.
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Personally, I'm not a fan of organized religion, but it helps people cope with their day-to-day lives and sometimes find meaning. As long as the respective leaders don't advocate violence or bilk their customers too much, I don't have a problem with it.
As for this particular mosque, they have a right to build it there as much as anyone, but I would advise them that, in the spirit of sensitivity, they set up shop a few blocks away-- just as, for example, the US should have a right to build an embassy in Nagasaki, but understand that it might not be an advisable or sensitive location and vise versa building a Shaolin temple in Pearl Harbor.
As for TRabinowitz, I'm not sure how much you have traveled in the Middle East (excluding Israel) or even parts of Eurasia and Northern Africa, but I would not characterize radicalized Islam as a marginalized few. Frankly, I understand that you are trying to do an honorable thing and defend one's freedom of religion, but I hope you aren't naive enough to think that this was just the unfortunate manifestation of a radicalized few. Poverty, illiteracy, a floundering sense of identity, and unfortunately violent religious propaganda have galvanized quite a few young men, particularly in Yemen.
A few books that you might be interested in are The Looming Tower by Lawrence Wright, Jawbreaker by Gary Berntsen, Ghost Wars by Steve Coll, or The Shia Revival by Vali Nasr.
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Come on Baldi! You can't lump them all together. just like you can't lump all St.John's fans together just because a few "radicals" decide to wear bags on their heads. We are not all obnoxious and rude..... :D
PS. I believe everything i see on Fox news
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NTSG- great post BTW...
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Personally, I'm not a fan of organized religion, but it helps people cope with their day-to-day lives and sometimes find meaning. As long as the respective leaders don't advocate violence or bilk their customers too much, I don't have a problem with it.
As for this particular mosque, they have a right to build it there as much as anyone, but I would advise them that, in the spirit of sensitivity, they set up shop a few blocks away....
It IS a few blocks away. How many blocks away do people want to "allow" or "tolerate" Muslims to build a structure?? Also, I am fully aware of that the culture is far more violent in terms of thinking in the Middle East. However, that doesn't have to do with the basis of the basics of Islam. The thinking is still radical. A small percentage of twisted human beings doesn't excuse stereotyping and prejudice.
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We are not talking about middle eastern muslims here. We are talking about the rights of american muslims to build a mosque. I am torn on the issue, but what I am not torn about is baldi's insensitive, uneducated bigotry. Jews and Catholics were not always thought of as highly in this country a while back yet I bet we all support upholding it then. I associate the horrible attack on America w al qaeda, and more w some middle eastern governments bc I would not be surprised if they at least passively knew something - they certainly turned a blind eye. But grouping in all american muslims w al qaeda? Gimme a #$%^ing break. Are you calling the late Malik Sealy and all the other american muslims terrorists, baldi? If you do, get the f off this board.
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Come on Baldi! You can't lump them all together. just like you can't lump all St.John's fans together just because a few "radicals" decide to wear bags on their heads. We are not all obnoxious and rude..... :D
PS. I believe everything i see on Fox news
It was the freedom of expression that allows me to do that. I hope that was a joke. Using the $$ I paid for a ticket to ask for a new college coach (and doing it boldly by wearing a bag) certainly different than the prejudice of a large group of people because of the actions of a few.
Hey, I was thinking, maybe we shouldn't build churches on land in which we murdered Native Americans out of sensitivity to their people and cultures.
Oh, wait a minute......
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Boldly would have been removing the mask, and then chanting for the removal of the coach. Not hiding behind a bag. But yes, it was a joke.
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We are not talking about middle eastern muslims here. We are talking about the rights of american muslims to build a mosque. I am torn on the issue, but what I am not torn about is baldi's insensitive, uneducated bigotry. Jews and Catholics were not always thought of as highly in this country a while back yet I bet we all support upholding it then. I associate the horrible attack on America w al qaeda, and more w some middle eastern governments bc I would not be surprised if they at least passively knew something - they certainly turned a blind eye. But grouping in all american muslims w al qaeda? Gimme a #$%^ing break. Are you calling the late Malik Sealy and all the other american muslims terrorists, baldi? If you do, get the f off this board.
I have the right to hate and be a bigot dont I? By you judging me, you are no better.
These animals killed alot of good people.And they are still at it, turn the news on.
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So those who judge bigotry are no better than bigots?
Your reality is so warped you aren't even worth it. It is am embarassment that anyone, let alone a site moderator, would spew this words. I hope one of the mods deletes all of baldi's posts which go wat the f over the line.
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So those who judge bigotry are no better than bigots?
Your reality is so warped you aren't even worth it. It is am embarassment that anyone, let alone a site moderator, would spew this words. I hope one of the mods deletes all of baldi's posts which go wat the f over the line.
My reality is warped? These people kill and continue to do so, they never stop.They didnt fly those planes into the WTC from foreign lands, they flew them from United States airports-meaning that these hateful people are here all over the place. Now you want them to set up shop where over 3000 innocent people were savagely murdered? And my reality is warped?
Innocent or not the Muslim people should come to their senses and look elsewhere
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So those who judge bigotry are no better than bigots?
Your reality is so warped you aren't even worth it. It is am embarassment that anyone, let alone a site moderator, would spew this words. I hope one of the mods deletes all of baldi's posts which go wat the f over the line.
My reality is warped? These people kill and continue to do so, they never stop.They didnt fly those planes into the WTC from foreign lands, they flew them from United States airports-meaning that these hateful people are here all over the place. Now you want them to set up shop where over 3000 innocent people were savagely murdered? And my reality is warped?
Innocent or not the Muslim people should come to their senses and look elsewhere
You are absolutely out of your mind. How can you call Americans who believe in the religion of Islam --- which is a PEACEFUL religion when practiced the way most americans and many middle easterners do, mind you --- "these people" and group them in with Al Qaeda.
I seriously suggest you delete all of your bigotrous comments from this thread. It is offensive.
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Locked! I want to give everyone a platform to voice their opinions but this is obviously going to escalate and I know all of you are great guys but some topics are too sensitive for the boards and I definitely feel this is one of them.