6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: carmineabbatiello on December 13, 2018, 01:06:30 PM
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It's going to sell out as Johnny fans start to rise to the occasion. A palpable buzz beginning as 9 and 0 has us on the brink of a national ranking and the Knicks are in the toilet yet again.
Get your tickets early for Marquette and Depaul. Weekend conference games in the cozy confines of Alumni will be packed.
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Hahaha you guys are really looking forward to this Wagner game.
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Hahaha you guys are really looking forward to this Wagner game.
No, I can't go. But 5600 others will. I don't think I can make one till Marquette. Maybe St. Francis if I'm lucky. Or if I somehow get super motivated and make it to Jersey.
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I just bought seton hall tickets. Excited. Newark is only 15 minutes from penn station by train. 3/4 trains per hours.
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I just bought seton hall tickets. Excited. Newark is only 15 minutes from penn station by train. 3/4 trains per hours.
Good luck on that 15 minutes estimate the way NJ Transit has been running lately. I know someone who posts his nightly adventure home to NJ from the City--better give your self EXTRA time to be safe and make tip off.
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NJ Transit has been a disaster from Penn back to Jersey for like the last year. Just awful. Almost as bad as LIRR but maybe that's a stretch.
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I just bought seton hall tickets. Excited. Newark is only 15 minutes from penn station by train. 3/4 trains per hours.
Who will you root for?
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Who will you root for?
You seem to be very excited for the next few games. I truly hope you enjoy them. I am not sitting in rush hour traffic to go and I am certainly not paying to sit in alumni hall to watch. If I paid for season tickets I would be even more mad. Those games shouldn’t just be free. You should get a gift card to a gas station for your trouble.
As for the 29th. I hope to be rooting for our guys. But I am going early to watch ND at a bar. If they lose and I drink to much I could absolutely turn on your boy pretty quick if we give the usual lax effort on defense.
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You seem to be very excited for the next few games. I truly hope you enjoy them. I am not sitting in rush hour traffic to go and I am certainly not paying to sit in alumni hall to watch. If I paid for season tickets I would be even more mad. Those games shouldn’t just be free. You should get a gift card to a gas station for your trouble.
As for the 29th. I hope to be rooting for our guys. But I am going early to watch ND at a bar. If they lose and I drink to much I could absolutely turn on your boy pretty quick if we give the usual lax effort on defense.
"I hope to be rooting for our guys"......find another team. Or stop posting. You're killing the buzz, man.
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You seem to be very excited for the next few games. I truly hope you enjoy them.
Yes, I look forward to all of the games. I don't have much of a life and they are a pleasant diversion. The 9 and 0 does add to the excitement and if excitement is not the right term - then at least it adds to the pregame hype.
The conference portion of the season will be here soon enough. Cupcakes and lesser locals have been on the menu since at least Lou and probably Lapchick but I don't go back that far.
The media buzz; the Wagner sellout; and the no. 30 ranking thus far is clear evidence that the scheduling has been brilliant.
Perhaps we'll tank in the early portion of the conference season ( I see 1-3 and 2-2 would be a gift) then you can say I told you so and that the weak non-conference schedule didn't properly prepare us for the rigors of BE play and coach should be horse whipped and we should have hired a Hurley. But let's just wait and see.
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I see people are enjoying their 9-0
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I see people are enjoying their 9-0
You betcha. As a long suffering I'm so conditioned to losing. I could get used to this winning thing.
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The media buzz; the Wagner sellout; and the no. 30 ranking thus far is clear evidence that the scheduling has been brilliant.
Perhaps we'll tank in the early portion of the conference season ( I see 1-3 and 2-2 would be a gift) then you can say I told you so and that the weak non-conference schedule didn't properly prepare us for the rigors of BE play and coach should be horse whipped and we should have hired a Hurley. But let's just wait and see.
You think 2-2 would be a gift?? I think it should be 3-1 after 4 and an outside chance at sweeping them. We are the most talented team in the BE, the offense has been clicking about as much as you can expect college ball offense to click in December and the defense should and will be better.
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You think 2-2 would be a gift?? I think it should be 3-1 after 4 and an outside chance at sweeping them.
Three road games and a home game against #21 MU. I suspect you will be disappointed.
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The perfect season continues, 10-0 with a loss not close in sight for another month.
Want to see Shamorie dominate a game from the onset. Be the aggressor early, kill your opponent, then distribute. Justin and Marv are rock solid you know they're ready for the Big East, it's the surrounding pieces that have to be well oiled and refined over these next 3 games:
Would like to see LJF continue to kill the opposition and MH get back on track with a big game.
Mikey and Bryan have to continue to build their confidence, we need their scoring off the bench come league play.
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You think 2-2 would be a gift?? I think it should be 3-1 after 4 and an outside chance at sweeping them. We are the most talented team in the BE, the offense has been clicking about as much as you can expect college ball offense to click in December and the defense should and will be better.
I think 1-3 with 0-4 not out of the realm. True we do have talent. Yet we have no size and our largest player is extremely foul prone. Plus we have little depth and struggle mightily defending the three and the post.
I believe that BE wins will come. Just not sure about them coming early.
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Three road games and a home game against #21 MU. I suspect you will be disappointed.
I dunno if there will be a revenge motivator, but if there is than GTown and SHU are ripe for it. I think going 11-7 or 12-6 in conference and that’s gotta start somewhere.
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I dunno if there will be a revenge motivator, but if there is than GTown and SHU are ripe for it. I think going 11-7 or 12-6 in conference and that’s gotta start somewhere.
I'm thinking 9-9 or 10-8. A top 4-5 finish in conf.
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The Seton Hall game could make or break the season. With a win over Kentucky, Seton Hall, always tough at home, is dangerous. This SJU teams, not a throwback to Lapchick/Carnesseca man to man and deliberate point guard offense, looks more like Don Nelson's Golden State Warriors, who could beat anybody any time.
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I'm thinking 9-9 or 10-8. A top 4-5 finish in conf.
If we go 9-9 or 10-8, in a down year in conference would be disappointing.
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If we go 9-9 or 10-8, in a down year in conference would be disappointing.
It's a vast improvement over any previous season under Mullin so not sure how that's disappointing.
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It's a vast improvement over any previous season under Mullin so not sure how that's disappointing.
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This team is talented and experienced enough, even with shortfalls, to be 11-7.
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If we go 9-9 or 10-8, in a down year in conference would be disappointing.
Agreed, we have a realistic shot to beat every team this year, last year the butler/nova wins were anomalies.
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It's a vast improvement over any previous season under Mullin so not sure how that's disappointing.
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This team is talented and experienced enough, even with shortfalls, to be 11-7.
Experienced enough? They've played 9 games together. Your unbridled optimism aside, they have to prove they can win consistently in the Big East which is still a big IF.
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Experienced enough? They've played 9 games together. Your unbridled optimism aside, they have to prove they can win consistently in the Big East which is still a big if.
Sju has 60 percent of starting offense back and 4/5 starters who are upperclassmen. They run offense through guards where they excel at because of talent and game experience. Not going to get more experience than that in the big east this year. Through 9 games, we have seen the same type of offense as Mullin has run with almost everyone in system for 3 years, minus a few guys. Trimble and Dixon 2 year system guys. The non experience mainly coming from L.J and Herron who dominate minutes, are both extremely talented. 9 games, 15 games, or whatever, team is who they are- not going to change much which should be no worse than 11-7.
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Game day! Where is the excitement? We have arguably the top team in all of Staten Island coming, Where is the discussion?
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Game day! Where is the excitement? We have arguably the top team in all of Staten Island coming, Where is the discussion?
The place is going to be packed, their is a buzz in the air around this team,They will probably get their 10th win (I’m superstitious until the game is over), it’s the holiday season, finals are over, it’s a week before Christmas where things should slow Down.
Enjoy the game with friends, have a beer and stop trying to turn diamonds into coal. No Bah humbug today, good sir
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Game day! Where is the excitement? We have arguably the top team in all of Staten Island coming, Where is the discussion?
Every team needs the 'I told you so guy' in their fan section. You're the guy that waits for bad things to happen so you can relish in the misery and tell the people they were fools for believing. I would have a hard time rooting against my team so that I could be right about its shortcomings, but I guess if I wanted to be the 'I told you so guy' it would be much easier.
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He's the guy who tells his wife she is fat because she gained 2 pounds on a cruise, even though she is 5' 6" 120 lbs with an hour glass figure. He of course is bald, has a pot belly and gained 10 pounds on the same cruise.
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Every team needs the 'I told you so guy' in their fan section. You're the guy that waits for bad things to happen so you can relish in the misery and tell the people they were fools for believing. I would have a hard time rooting against my team so that I could be right about its shortcomings, but I guess if I wanted to be the 'I told you so guy' it would be much easier.
As trolls go he's Marco Baldi with a head injury.
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He's the guy who tells his wife she is fat because she gained 2 pounds on a cruise, even though she is 5' 6" 120 lbs with an hour glass figure. He of course is bald, has a pot belly and gained 10 pounds on the same cruise.
Hilarious
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Jimmy Jackson mentioned on pre-game the teams lack of focus at times on the defensive end. Said they are soft when guarding the perimeter. I want to see them take these nest few games and clean that up. Hope it starts today.
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Poor defensive start again. This team should be crushed, hopefully they will wake up. Cruise control.
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Very sloppy start. I expect them to wake up though.
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As trolls go he's Marco Baldi with a head injury.
No name calling
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U guys really enjoy this? We have similar talent if not better then nova. Did you guys watch them yesterday? This is yet again an awful game. Wasting Shamorie Ponds
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Im liking the pressure, with the great team quickness it should be employed often
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Good thing there’s 2 halves.
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Poor half, D picked up but could not handle the zone. I like Ponds in the middle of the zone with Dixon or Simon at the point. Ponds has the hands, smarts and allaround skills to break the zone from there.
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U guys really enjoy this? We have similar talent if not better then nova. Did you guys watch them yesterday? This is yet again an awful game. Wasting Shamorie Ponds
Yeah. Nova really brought it against Penn.
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Yeah. Nova really brought it against Penn.
Nova is getting better, rebounding, taking better shots, and playing defense.
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Really need to turn up. Too much cruise control
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#15 Ohio State beat Bucknell by 2.
Old Dominion beat #25 Syracuse.
#5 Michigan beat W. Michigan by 8.
#24 Indiana beat Butler at the buzzer.
#20 Arizona St. beat Georgia by 2.
#7 Nevada beat SD State by 4.
According to you, we aren't as good as ANY of those teams, but we should be blowing teams out. This sport has so much parity today that it's silly. If we win by 1, it's a win.
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so many first half coasting episodes
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you are what your record says you are.....Bill Parcells. We are undefeated. Any win is a good win.
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you are what your record says you are.....Bill Parcells. We are undefeated. Any win is a good win.
Agree! Great win! Trust the process!
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So close to a Triple-Double for Ponds
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Game day! Where is the excitement? We have arguably the top team in all of Staten Island coming, Where is the discussion?
16-0!
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so many first half coasting episodes
Remember over the last several years when SJ would lose a close game and nice persons like you would ask about half time adjustments? Oddly, this year when SJ blows out teams in the second half, that doesn't come up in conversation. Why is that do you think?
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A win is a win.
As long as the kids close out on shooters starting December 29th we’ll be fine.
It’s interesting because this is the same problem that the Harrison, Green, Branch and Pointer group had as well, until they turned it up as seniors.
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Last time I checked Powell was damn near accounting for 1/3 of Hall's ppg. We have three capable bodies to throw at him on the 29th, honestly I think we win comfortably setting up for a sold out New Year's Night 13-0 against Marquette.
Just got back from Queens. Shamorie is having one of the best year's in program history. If he wins a couple games in the tournament no one should ever wear #2 again. 10-0 feels great. The two games this week is fine tuning, and the complimentary pieces are starting to really gel together.
WE ARE.
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Shamorie was phenomenal today. Nothing short of it. Everyone should walk away impressed with what he does
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We have one of the best players in the country. We are getting bigger in a week or two. We are becoming a team that comes out in the second half and plays at another level. We are keeping our fouls under control. We are learning how to win. I don't understand how folks could NOT be excited.
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We have one of the best players in the country. We are getting bigger in a week or two. We are becoming a team that comes out in the second half and plays at another level. We are keeping our fouls under control. We are learning how to win. I don't understand how folks could NOT be excited.
Excitement is tempered when we win by a smaller than expected margin nearly every game. Even though we haven’t lost, we’ve dropped in KenPom after each of the last 6 games. We now are out of the top 50 nationally despite being 10-0.
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Excitement is tempered when we win by a smaller than expected margin nearly every game. Even though we haven’t lost, we’ve dropped in KenPom after each of the last 6 games. We now are out of the top 50 nationally despite being 10-0.
Paper champions
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Excitement is tempered when we win by a smaller than expected margin nearly every game. Even though we haven’t lost, we’ve dropped in KenPom after each of the last 6 games. We now are out of the top 50 nationally despite being 10-0.
Why does any of that matter? People are so focused on these polls and these rankings. The only rankings that matter are the ones that happen at the end of the year. We are 10-0 for the first time in a million years. If we blow a team out, it won't matter to those people anyway because of the schedule that they hate. I have hope in December for the first time in a decade. I hope others join me in keepikg the hope alive.
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Remember over the last several years when SJ would lose a close game and nice persons like you would ask about half time adjustments? Oddly, this year when SJ blows out teams in the second half, that doesn't come up in conversation. Why is that do you think?
its a very good point because while some of the first halves have been unimpressive the second halves have been much better. Gotta give credit for that just like we killed Norm for 2nd half meltdowns. Undefeated is undefeated no matter how anyone can look at it
Just gotta win he big east games. I think we will
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its a very good point because while some of the first halves have been unimpressive the second halves have been much better. Gotta give credit for that just like we killed Norm for 2nd half meltdowns. Undefeated is undefeated no matter how anyone can look at it
Just gotta win he big east games. I think we will
Nonsense. Norm sucked! Him lasting so long was an issue. Not bad luck why this team plays poorly.
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Nonsense. Norm sucked! Him lasting so long was an issue. Not bad luck why this team plays poorly.
Norm was horrible but if memory serves me correct we would start games out well and have meltdowns like Hofstra etc
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All of these questions/doubts will be answered when Big East play begins. It's finally here. Put up time.
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Norm was horrible but if memory serves me correct we would start games out well and have meltdowns like Hofstra etc
Before the narrative is changed. Who cares? Norm is gone. This team is not prepared, that had nothing to do with norm.
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Before the narrative is changed. Who cares? Norm is gone. This team is not prepared, that had nothing to do with norm.
If they aren't prepared for the first half and they play completely different the 2nd half isnt it fair to say somehow they were prepared at halftime ?
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If they aren't prepared for the first half and they play completely different the 2nd half isnt it fair to say somehow they were prepared at halftime ?
No they just are playing shit. Their 4/5 star players are so much better then 00000 star players.
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If they aren't prepared for the first half and they play completely different the 2nd half isnt it fair to say somehow they were prepared at halftime ?
No more excuses. Not the cupard, cupboard, or the staircase.
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No more excuses. Not the cupard, cupboard, or the staircase.
Who's making excuses ? I was the first one killing Mullin year 1 for sitting on the scorers table
I haven't been thrilled with his coaching. I'm on record saying he needs to prove himself this year. I wasn't thrilled with the non conference schedule. I think we are going to have an excellent year however and think the end of the schedule is very favorable to us closing super strong
Lavins first year we lost to freaking Fordham. We dint gel till conference play. If Mullin cant win with this group I dont think he will ever win ( and I really hope that's not the case )
This is the most talented on paper team we have in God knows how many years. The recruiting isnt ideal for my tastes as far as HS kids go but if this ends up working this way wtf cares. I'll adjust my ideals
But I'm not going to freak out yet when we haven't lost to some of the other shit teams like we have in the past non conference seasons
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Why does any of that matter? People are so focused on these polls and these rankings. The only rankings that matter are the ones that happen at the end of the year. We are 10-0 for the first time in a million years. If we blow a team out, it won't matter to those people anyway because of the schedule that they hate. I have hope in December for the first time in a decade. I hope others join me in keepikg the hope alive.
It is indicative of underperforming despite not losing. The excitement isn’t off the charts because we are actually underachieving a bit. 10-0 is awesome but it won’t start to feel exciting until we beat a NCAA tourney team.
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It is indicative of underperforming despite not losing. The excitement isn’t off the charts because we are actually underachieving a bit. 10-0 is awesome but it won’t start to feel exciting until we beat a NCAA tourney team.
Our OOC schedule in the 199-2000 was this: Samford (a loss, by the way) and New Mexico in the Vaunted CoSIDA CLassic, Stony Brook, Coppin St., St. Francis, Niagra, DePaul, Sacred Heart, Hofstra and Duke.
I'm sure our KenPom rating would have sucked then, too. I mean, seriously. You're not excited about this year because the computer tells you so? Sad. You're no TONYD3, but that attitude is bumming me out, bro.
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Ponds looking more Nba ready by the minute.
14 assists to 1 turnover is just insane. That's all-time material. Phenomenal stuff from him today.
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I watched a LOT of games on Saturday.
Michigan was in a dogfight all day with Western Michigan
Syracuse lost to Old Dominion
UConn struggled in the first half with Manhattan
Seton Hall struggled with Rutgers
Nova lost to Penn this week
VIRGINIA LOST TO A 16 SEED UMBC IN THE NCAA TOURNAMENT
So I think it's pretty hilarious that St John's even though they're 10-0, pulled away in the second half and had a player a rebound away from a triple double is not good enough for some of you. Go somewhere else and masturbate to your computer numbers I'll be supporting the boys.
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It is indicative of underperforming
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we are actually underachieving
Underachieve means "to do less well than expected." Seriously, what were your expectations? Did you think they'd be 13-0 after 10 games? Would you be happy if they'd won their last three by 25 instead of 15? I've been a SJ fan for a very long time and what I've come to expect is that something awful is going to happen sooner rather than later. Not you though. Your expectations are that SJ is going to win all their games by 40 points, because that is what Ken Pomeroy hath decreed. So let it be written. So let it be done.
Personally I don't think they're "underachieving." I think they're not playing as well as they're going to be playing in a month. Which is good, because it's December and nobody wins anything in December.
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Our OOC schedule in the 199-2000 was this: Samford (a loss, by the way) and New Mexico in the Vaunted CoSIDA CLassic, Stony Brook, Coppin St., St. Francis, Niagra, DePaul, Sacred Heart, Hofstra and Duke.
I'm sure our KenPom rating would have sucked then, too. I mean, seriously. You're not excited about this year because the computer tells you so? Sad. You're no TONYD3, but that attitude is bumming me out, Our OOC schedule in the 199-2000 was this: Samford (a loss, by the way) and New Mexico in the Vaunted CoSIDA CLassic, Stony Brook, Coppin St., St. Francis, Niagra, DePaul, Sacred Heart, Hofstra and Duke.
I'm sure our KenPom rating would have sucked then, too. I mean, seriously. You're not excited about this year because the computer tells you so? Sad. You're no TONYD3, but that attitude is bumming me out, bro.
You asked why there was no excitement on the board. I gave you the answer. I don’t care on a personal level. 10-0 is excellent.
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Underachieve means "to do less well than expected." Seriously, what were your expectations? Did you think they'd be 13-0 after 10 games? Would you be happy if they'd won their last three by 25 instead of 15? I've been a SJ fan for a very long time and what I've come to expect is that something awful is going to happen sooner rather than later. Not you though. Your expectations are that SJ is going to win all their games by 40 points, because that is what Ken Pomeroy hath decreed. So let it be written. So let it be done.
Personally I don't think they're "underachieving." I think they're not playing as well as they're going to be playing in a month. Which is good, because it's December and nobody wins anything in December.
Again, not my expectations. I was just addressing the question of lacking excitement over a 10-0 start.
If we were ranked, say, 28 in KenPom, we’d be ranked in the AP poll right now. With our schedule, the only way to do that is to win by greater than expected margins. We’ve done the opposite.
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Underachieve means "to do less well than expected." Seriously, what were your expectations? Did you think they'd be 13-0 after 10 games? Would you be happy if they'd won their last three by 25 instead of 15? I've been a SJ fan for a very long time and what I've come to expect is that something awful is going to happen sooner rather than later. Not you though. Your expectations are that SJ is going to win all their games by 40 points, because that is what Ken Pomeroy hath decreed. So let it be written. So let it be done.
Personally I don't think they're "underachieving." I think they're not playing as well as they're going to be playing in a month. Which is good, because it's December and nobody wins anything in December.
Thank you! The next time we start 10-0 (maybe 30 years from now) no one will remember who we played this season.
Also helps to bet they won’t cover. Only thing better than 10-0 is making some coin in the process.
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Again, not my expectations. I was just addressing the question of lacking excitement over a 10-0 start.
If we were ranked, say, 28 in KenPom, we’d be ranked in the AP poll right now. With our schedule, the only way to do that is to win by greater than expected margins. We’ve done the opposite.
Fortunately for me I don't care where they're ranked by KenPom in December, so I'm pretty happy. Or at least I was, till I went over to KP to have a look see. First thing I noticed was that SJ's NCSOSAdjEM was -6.63. That's completely unacceptable and embarrassing. Then I saw that there's a team called Saint Mary's, they're 7-5, with losses to 4-5 Harvard (#97) and UC Irvine (#87) and they're three slots ahead of undefeated SJU. I guess if I understood maths better I could figure out why being 7-5 is better than being 10-0. But I don't. Thanks for ruining it for me.
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Fortunately for me I don't care where they're ranked by KenPom in December, so I'm pretty happy. Or at least I was, till I went over to KP to have a look see. First thing I noticed was that SJ's NCSOSAdjEM was -6.63. That's completely unacceptable and embarrassing. Then I saw that there's a team called Saint Mary's, they're 7-5, with losses to 4-5 Harvard (#97) and UC Irvine (#87) and they're three slots ahead of undefeated SJU. I guess if I understood maths better I could figure out why being 7-5 is better than being 10-0. But I don't. Thanks for ruining it for me.
Fair stance. Not everyone shares it, which is one explanation for the lack of “excitement.”
I regret trying to clarify this dynamic.
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Fair stance. Not everyone shares it, which is one explanation for the lack of “excitement.”
I regret trying to clarify this dynamic.
You seem like a thoughtful and intelligent poster with whom I don't want to argue. But seriously, if you're not going to get excited now, when are you going to get excited? When they lose some games against some ranked teams? I just don't get it, I really don't.
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Again, not my expectations. I was just addressing the question of lacking excitement over a 10-0 start.
We just sold out against Wagner. It was a monsoon rain day all day and the stands were packed. That's proof positive of a high level of excitement.
Plus, I was watching one of the late Sunday night network sports wrap up shows and they had an entire St. Johns segment with Zach.
Fortify the bandwagon. It's gonna be carrying a lot of weight if this thing continues.
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Good crowd no doubt on a bad whether day but if you were there as I was you know it was not close to a sell out. Been to all CA games and crowd was about the same as last few that is the third deck was less than half full.
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This is true. With the Knicks and Rangers being where they are, and no playoff football for the Giants/Jets, the bandwagon is going to be popping especially if this crew gets off to a good start in Big East play. Probably at its highest level since after the Uconn/Pitt games in Lavin's first year. There is no other local team that is an appealing alternative for the January - March months.
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Good crowd no doubt on a bad whether day but if you were there as I was you know it was not close to a sell out. Been to all CA games and crowd was about the same as last few that is the third deck was less than half full.
I stand corrected then. I didn't go. The announcers described it as "packed" and I saw the sellout amount of 5602 listed in the box score.
However, I'm so excited about the season that I'm going Wednesday.
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I stand corrected then. I didn't go. The announcers described it as "packed" and I saw the sellout amount of 5602 listed in the box score.
However, I'm so excited about the season that I'm going Wednesday.
No worries hope you and the rest of us fans enjoy the game and another victory on Wednesday.
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I regret trying to clarify this dynamic.
How dare you be somewhere between hating this team no matter what and sucking the teet. There is no room for middle ground here. It is also astoundingly shameful of you to use factual information and statistics to help support an opinion. :2funny:
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You asked why there was no excitement on the board. I gave you the answer. I don’t care on a personal level. 10-0 is excellent.
I understand you don't feel that way, but I guess I was just directing my post towards those who fit your description. These rankings don't include a bit of human element in their analysis so they mean nothing to me. They don't show growth, or team chemistry, or effort, or if someone just broke up with their girlfriend, or if their mom is sick....so many other variables come into play that make up a team and a player. I get why people look at them. It just bothers me that they do.