6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: HKD on January 03, 2020, 10:12:19 AM
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Yes there is game before this.... but picked up tickets for this game this morning. Was not sure if I would be in NY as in the middle of moving to area..... very excited for this. Will make 4 of last 5 home games, skipped NYE game so that loss is on me.
Love these noon sat games..... grab a pint before the game and then can find another bar post game and watch both NFL divisional games before heading back to DC Sunday morning.
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I for one am ready for a conference win.
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I for one am ready for a conference win.
DePaul's 0-2, but both of their losses were at home. So, the loser of this game is winless in the Big East, with 2 home losses. Tough to make even a partial recovers (say 4 or more wins) after that, though Lavin got to 10-8 each of his last two seasons, starting 0-3 or worse, with 2 home losses.
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Pizza 76
Quiche 62
We come out playing hard, after what I can only hope is some serious attention paid to what on earth happened at Georgetown.
No word on Greg Williams. IDK how long he’s on concussion protocol for. Anyone know how serious it is?
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Think we'll be about 2.5 pt favs in this one.
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Pizza 76
Quiche 62
We come out playing hard, after what I can only hope is some serious attention paid to what on earth happened at Georgetown.
No word on Greg Williams. IDK how long he’s on concussion protocol for. Anyone know how serious it is?
Didn’t notice him get hurt. Will be less then a week. Doubt he plays
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Do or die. Both teams desperately need a win after strong starts.
As an aside, this game should be on campus, with Creighton in march at msg. This used to be the annual vincentianfest and the old school donors & priests that essentially ran each school would use it for meetings.
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Think we'll be about 2.5 pt favs in this one.
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Want to see them come out strong.... need to hit a few shots early to get into that press. Love the noon games at the garden! Time to grab lunch after and find a place to watch NFL playoffs with time to spare!
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We need a win! Someone tell Heron the season has begun.
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We need a win! Someone tell Heron the season has begun.
He knows. Someone should tell him that there are 4 other guys on his team.
Coach is telling him, but he hasn’t heard him yet.
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He knows. Someone should tell him that there are 4 other guys on his team.
Coach is telling him, but he hasn’t heard him yet.
It’s unfortunate as Heron seems like a good young man. Very supportive of his teammates. Something just isn’t clicking between the ears. The turnovers were alarming. It was telling when Anderson pulled him to start the second half of the GT game.
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It’s unfortunate as Heron seems like a good young man. Very supportive of his teammates. Something just isn’t clicking between the ears. The turnovers were alarming. It was telling when Anderson pulled him to start the second half of the GT game.
It's probably coaching. Mullin was able to motivate and get the most from the young man.
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It's probably coaching. Mullin was able to motivate and get the most from the young man.
Mullin probably didn’t even know his name.
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It's probably coaching. Mullin was able to motivate and get the most from the young man.
Heron went 1-12, picked up a flagrant, and fouled out of the biggest game of his career at St. John’s while mullin was the coach. this is just heron’s mo. He’s a good kid with skills, but he’s a bit of an enigma.
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Heron went 1-12, picked up a flagrant, and fouled out of the biggest game of his career at St. John’s while mullin was the coach. this is just heron’s mo. He’s a good kid with skills, but he’s a bit of an enigma.
For better or worse, our coach has a system, and that system isn’t to run the offense solely through Mustapha Heron. From what I can see, Coach Anderson doesn’t care if you’re a second team pre-season All BE player and likely NBDL second round pick. If you don’t buy into his system, you’re gonna sit.
I think we want a coach who holds all of our guys accountable. Maybe Coach Anderson knew that by benching Roberts and Champagnie that he was giving Georgetown the game, but he did it with a purpose in mind. I know that’s a reach, but in order to hold players accountable, you have to have consequences for actions.
We are lacking 3 point shooters. There have been enough games played that we can all see that it’s not just an opponent thing. We can’t shoot. That said, it puts us in an all too familiar situation, because traditionally, we haven’t hit the 3 point shot.
And for you youngins, this goes back even to the Lou Carnesecca days. Many felt the game had passed him by and pushed hard for him to call it a career.
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I think we want a coach who holds all of our guys accountable. Maybe Coach Anderson knew that by benching Roberts and Champagnie that he was giving Georgetown the game, but he did it with a purpose in mind.
Calls to mind another great motivator.
(http://www.theweasels.com/ndiaye.jpg)
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Calls to mind another great motivator.
(http://www.theweasels.com/ndiaye.jpg)
I don’t know what kind of motivator Lavin was, or any coach is.
But I’m sure you do.
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I don’t know what kind of motivator Lavin was, or any coach is.
So when you said
"we want a coach who holds all of our guys accountable. Maybe Coach Anderson … by benching Roberts and Champagnie … did it with a purpose in mind … in order to hold players accountable"
You weren't talking about the coach motivating the players, motivating being defined as "to provide with an incentive or a reason for doing something." Interesting take.
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Dunn gets the start today over Champagnie.
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Heron is not good.
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They can't stay in front of Dunn
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Why is Earlington allowed to dribble
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They can't stay in front of Dunn
He needs to play all 20 minutes in the second half
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No body better blame coaching for the offense in the first half.
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DePaul in the bonus before the first media timeout
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Have to beat Providence next week, if so Seton Hall/Johnnies matchup at The Garden will be huge.
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The return of Penny. I mentioned the other day he needed to wake up in BE play and he did that today. Nice 2nd half from him.
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23 Assists on 25 FGs
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Great fun today at the Garden. It wasn’t the prettiest of games, but we hustled on d, and that’s the story.
We made big plays defensively. Guy like Williams disrupted at points in the game that won’t show in the box score. He had one terrific 4 point game. If he sticks with St.John’s, he’ll be a great player by year 4.
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Heron is not good.
Heron was a top 25 recruit who played well enough to be named second team all-SEC as both a freshman and a sophomore and then played well enough with injuries as a junior to named to the preseason All-Big East second team.
Anderson doesn’t know how to use him. He belongs in a structured system and Anderson can only coach chaos.
LJ is half the player he was last year as well.
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Heron was a top 25 recruit who played well enough to be named second team all-SEC as both a freshman and a sophomore and then played well enough with injuries as a junior to named to the preseason All-Big East second team.
Anderson doesn’t know how to use him. He belongs in a structured system and Anderson can only coach chaos.
LJ is half the player he was last year as well.
The hero’s neighbors son who coached the team didn’t run an offense either. 5 guys standing still at the 3 point line isn’t an offense. Stop with your non sense.
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Heron was a top 25 recruit who played well enough to be named second team all-SEC as both a freshman and a sophomore and then played well enough with injuries as a junior to named to the preseason All-Big East second team.
Anderson doesn’t know how to use him. He belongs in a structured system and Anderson can only coach chaos.
LJ is half the player he was last year as well.
No one here ever said that Heron wasn’t talented, but feel free to make up that narrative and then go all in on your counter. You’re right again.
This was the first game where Heron showed that he doesn’t have to be a black hole every single time he gets the ball.
Credit to coach for not enabling a style of play that undoubtedly leads us to losses. Heron needed to man up, and he showed signs of recognizing that today.
Overall, this was important win for St.John’s. We won with a true team effort.
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Great fun today at the Garden. It wasn’t the prettiest of games, but we hustled on d, and that’s the story.
We made big plays defensively. Guy like Williams disrupted at points in the game that won’t show in the box score. He had one terrific 4 point game. If he sticks with St.John’s, he’ll be a great player by year 4.
Agreed. I think Greg will be here for 4 years. He can see that there is a system in place and he is a guy that will buy in and get better each year and be a big time contributor as a senior. Transfer U is over. Thank God.
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Great fun today at the Garden. It wasn’t the prettiest of games, but we hustled on d, and that’s the story.
We made big plays defensively. Guy like Williams disrupted at points in the game that won’t show in the box score. He had one terrific 4 point game. If he sticks with St.John’s, he’ll be a great player by year 4.
Aside from the late TO where earlington saved his ass, I thought Williams played great. And that’s no surprise because he’s been playing great the last 8 or so games.
If our sophomores and freshmen become seniors and juniors at St John’s we will have a great season two years from now.
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Btw, it is awfully quiet here today. All the haters have gone back to their caves to console themselves.
It is nice to have a real coach with a real staff who makes adjustments as the season goes on and guys show improvement.
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The hero’s neighbors son who coached the team didn’t run an offense either. 5 guys standing still at the 3 point line isn’t an offense. Stop with your non sense.
Don’t pay the fraud any mind, he has no clue what he’s talking about and prays on those who may not know better.
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Don’t pay the fraud any mind, he has no clue what he’s talking about and prays on those who may not know better.
Well aware. Fun day today guys. Wish we were 2-2. But season is still in good shape
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still looks rough and still think the team isnt very good. nice to get a win. and it is strange to see people only post during losses
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still looks rough and still think the team isnt very good. nice to get a win. and it is strange to see people only post during losses
To be fair I think a lot of people weren’t paying attention to this one. Couldn’t even get it on TV in Baltimore so had to listen on the radio.
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To be fair I think a lot of people weren’t paying attention to this one. Couldn’t even get it on TV in Baltimore so had to listen on the radio.
What is fair about that? Sorry you spend time in Baltimore. I heard it’s beautiful this time of year. Go back to your hole
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I think the guys did a good job today of playing together. We had some good contributions at different times from a lot of players.
I'm glad Dunn got nod over Champagnie. I think Dunn made the most of it and Champagnie responded well off the bench with key contributions in the 2nd half.
Still some things that are still concerning moving forward. We were -11 on rebounding margin. This was masked by +11 on turnover margin. Still waiting for a game where Heron and LJ are both clicking.
Bottom line is we won a game at home we were supposed to win. Lets build on that.
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Well aware. Fun day today guys. Wish we were 2-2. But season is still in good shape
Indeed. 12-5 and the best is yet to come. Anderson on track for his 18th consecutive above .500 season.
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still looks rough and still think the team isnt very good. nice to get a win. and it is strange to see people only post during losses
Haters gonna hate. Real fans stick by their team through thick and thin. The only game I didn't enjoy this year was the G'town game. Out of 17 games played that's not a bad stat. Anderson has this program going in the right direction. It takes time.
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Haters gonna hate. Real fans stick by their team through thick and thin. The only game I didn't enjoy this year was the G'town game. Out of 17 games played that's not a bad stat. Anderson has this program going in the right direction. It takes time.
Having concerns or questioning is not hating. Everyone here wants to win, be successful, and do it consistently.
While I'm a DePaul believer they are still projected to be the 10th place team. We played better than them today and deserved to win however there are take aways from today's game that are both positive and negative.
We have an uphill climb rest of year. We need to be better if we plan to steal some games on the road.
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Having concerns or questioning is not hating. Everyone here wants to win, be successful, and do it consistently.
While I'm a DePaul believer they are still projected to be the 10th place team. We played better than them today and deserved to win however there are take aways from today's game that are both positive and negative.
We have an uphill climb rest of year. We need to be better if we plan to steal some games on the road.
I agree...questions, concerns,analysis are what this board is all about...I enjoy the posts that are positive and also the ones that have constructive criticism...the ones I do not care for are the ones that end up being straight bashing or even insulting to fellow posters...then again, I’m an old man, so maybe time has passed me by and that’s what the keyboard is for...enjoy the win people!!!!
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I agree...questions, concerns,analysis are what this board is all about...I enjoy the posts that are positive and also the ones that have constructive criticism...the ones I do not care for are the ones that end up being straight bashing or even insulting to fellow posters...then again, I’m an old mad, so maybe time has passed me by and that’s what the keyboard is for...enjoy the win people!!!!
I'm with you 100%. Its something I've been trying to clean up because it's been the worst it's ever been.
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DePaul had 12 less shots so the rebounding was okay. More opportunities at defensive rebounds accounts for most of the differential. TOs continue to be strong. If we play the kind of D this team has shown (except for first half of GT game) we will be in most games and win our share
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Having concerns or questioning is not hating. Everyone here wants to win, be successful, and do it consistently.
While I'm a DePaul believer they are still projected to be the 10th place team. We played better than them today and deserved to win however there are take aways from today's game that are both positive and negative.
We have an uphill climb rest of year. We need to be better if we plan to steal some games on the road.
You can question or have concerns based on false premises, ill will or hate. Clearly some on here are more transparent about it than others.
Every W in conference is a good win especially with how deep the conference is this year.
As I said outside of the G'town game we've basically been competitive in every game this season. That's a nod to the coaching staff. The team has a lot of underclassmen that will only get better. My expectations for this team haven't changed based on what I've seen through 17 games. I always thought we'd be fighting to stay out of the bottom tier of the league but be competitive and scrappy due to Anderson's style. I had them at 16 wins before the year but it's tracking more to be an 18+ win season with multiple Top 25 wins which I'll be more than happy with in Year 1.
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DePaul had 12 less shots so the rebounding was okay. More opportunities at defensive rebounds accounts for most of the differential. TOs continue to be strong. If we play the kind of D this team has shown (except for first half of GT game) we will be in most games and win our share
Good points on rebounding.
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You can question or have concerns based on false premises, ill will or hate. Clearly some on here are more transparent about it than others.
So let me get this straight you say it's ok to question or have concerns about the team because you're wrong or a hater for thinking it.
This might be my favorite post of all time. So if we miss a bunch of shots and I say man we're a bad shooting team I must be a hater or it's false premises the ball didn't go in the hoop because we're bad at shooting.
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Dave ur a loser go root for Nebraska and get off this board
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So let me get this straight you say it's ok to question or have concerns about the team because you're wrong or a hater for thinking it.
This might be my favorite post of all time. So if we miss a bunch of shots and I say man we're a bad shooting team I must be a hater or it's false premises the ball didn't go in the hoop because we're bad at shooting.
You questioned nothing for 4 years.
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I'm with you 100%. Its something I've been trying to clean up because it's been the worst it's ever been.
Thanks for your efforts, Dave. Appreciate the use of this site
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So let me get this straight you say it's ok to question or have concerns about the team because you're wrong or a hater for thinking it.
This might be my favorite post of all time. So if we miss a bunch of shots and I say man we're a bad shooting team I must be a hater or it's false premises the ball didn't go in the hoop because we're bad at shooting.
I said "based on false premises, ill will or hate". What the hell does missing a bunch of shots and saying we're a bad shooting team have to do with that phrase?
Absolutely nothing is the answer. That's weak man. At least be able to comprehend what I'm saying if you're going to respond in kind. The example you used is surface level and not pertinent to my point. You know better.
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Dave ur a loser go root for Nebraska and get off this board
You nailed it.
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You questioned nothing for 4 years.
If that's the way you want to remember it fine but far from true. I think this has been discussed at length. You can revisit those threads or if you'd like click on my post history and scroll through at your leisure.
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I said "based on false premises, ill will or hate". What the hell does missing a bunch of shots and saying we're a bad shooting team have to do with that phrase?
Absolutely nothing is the answer. That's weak man. At least be able to comprehend what I'm saying if you're going to respond in kind. The example you used is surface level and not pertinent to my point. You know better.
Hypothetical analogy
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I am 1000% right ...people leaving and u keep missing Matt A ....See ya
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I'm with you 100%. Its something I've been trying to clean up because it's been the worst it's ever been.
What exactly are you doing to clean it up? This board is a joke. I bet a lot of posters are afraid to share because anytime Tony says something halfway reasonable or logical he gets annihilated for it. The vitriol on this board is totally one directional. I have been a fan of this program since 1985. I will continue to root for the team regardless of the coach. I would never root for them to lose because I don't like the coach.
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I am 1000% right ...people leaving and u keep missing Matt A ....See ya
I just don't get the vitriol some of you guys have
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I just don't get the vitriol some of you guys have
Why don’t you read your board. Not hard to figure out who the ass holes are.
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This board is crazy today...Thank goodness the team won! What a nuclear holocaust it would be otherwise.
I thought I saw the crowd attendance was over 10,000? Is this correct?
If so pretty good for a 0-3 team facing DePaul at the Garden. If they can beat Providence this week, The Seton Hall game will be fun and the Garden packed!
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This board is crazy today...Thank goodness the team won! What a nuclear holocaust it would be otherwise.
I thought I saw the crowd attendance was over 10,000? Is this correct?
If so pretty good for a 0-3 team facing DePaul at the Garden. If they can beat Providence this week, The Seton Hall game will be fun and the Garden packed!
Guessing 4000. Crowd was into the game. Nothing close to 10,000
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So when you said
"we want a coach who holds all of our guys accountable. Maybe Coach Anderson … by benching Roberts and Champagnie … did it with a purpose in mind … in order to hold players accountable"
You weren't talking about the coach motivating the players, motivating being defined as "to provide with an incentive or a reason for doing something." Interesting take.
It’s a sample of what we hope is a system that stops players when it needs to.
Too soon to know, but I think it’s promising that the team responded today with a much stronger effort all around. We’ll see where we are at the end of February.
Mullin was an awful coach, but a great player. Good evening.
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Guessing 4000. Crowd was into the game. Nothing close to 10,000
We were into it is right..def sounded like more then 4K.....thought it was more, but your right, definitely not 10k.
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Guessing 4000. Crowd was into the game. Nothing close to 10,000
That’s a bummer, hopefully it’s better next weekend.
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Published attendance said 6,636.
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What is fair about that? Sorry you spend time in Baltimore. I heard it’s beautiful this time of year. Go back to your hole
Noon game the Saturday of NFL playoffs following a blow out and 3 straight losses against the worst team in the big east (historically). It makes sense participation would be lower, sorry you can’t figure that.
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Noon game the Saturday of NFL playoffs following a blow out and 3 straight losses against the worst team in the big east (historically). It makes sense participation would be lower, sorry you can’t figure that.
Same scenario last year with much different results.
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I just don't get the vitriol some of you guys have
I think it’s fair to say that the haters and trolls have ramped up their posting and personal attacks since the Anderson hire. It has led to many threads quickly devolving into unreadable garbage. Some people are getting fed up with it and overreacting a bit.
However, I think you’re doing an admirable job in a thankless position. The anger is misdirected if they are directing it toward you since you clearly are trying to limit the nonsense. A lot of people appreciate the boards.
Winning seems to be the best way to keep the trolls away so hopefully this team wins more than it loses.
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Congratulations to CFC, his staff and players on the first of what hopefully will be many conference wins to come.
You can always count on Depaul. Where would we be without them?
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What exactly are you doing to clean it up? This board is a joke. I bet a lot of posters are afraid to share because anytime Tony says something halfway reasonable or logical he gets annihilated for it. The vitriol on this board is totally one directional. I have been a fan of this program since 1985. I will continue to root for the team regardless of the coach. I would never root for them to lose because I don't like the coach.
Tony is the worst St. John's poster of all time.
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Btw, it is awfully quiet here today. All the haters have gone back to their caves to console themselves.
Guessing at least a few posters got caught up in the ticker tape parade they threw for Anderson to commemorate beating Depaul at home. Traffic was insane.
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Guessing at least a few posters got caught up in the ticker tape parade they threw for Anderson to commemorate beating Depaul at home. Traffic was insane.
This isn’t an impressive win?
Biased much?
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Tony is the worst St. John's poster of all time.
Guy, do you watch basketball? Did you watch the last coach? Now you come around when we lose.
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Yesterday was def a mixed bag in terms of the game. Obviously getting that first league win is important so they got the job done. Was happy to see Heron hit a few threes as this team desperately needs to find some consistent scoring. Also loved how Dunn came out to start the game, with him starting you have 3 guys in starting lineup who should be able to get a shot when needed.
On D end there was way too many uncontested drives to hoop. Running a press like SJU does you will end up giving up a few easy hoops which is fine, but once you are back and set there is no excuse for the lane to open up like that. They need to fix some stuff on rotations etc. They switch on every pick which is fine as well, but you can't get lost as many times as they do. Good news is that these things are fixable.
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This isn’t an impressive win?
They beat last place DePaul at home in what would have been a one possession game had DP hit more than one of the free throws they were awarded when St John's senior team leader fouled a three point shooter with 40 seconds left. So no, its not at all an impressive win.
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They beat last place DePaul at home in what would have been a one possession game had DP hit more than one of the free throws they were awarded when St John's senior team leader fouled a three point shooter with 40 seconds left. So no, its not at all an impressive win.
Win Wednesday and Foady disappears again
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Win Wednesday and Foady disappears again
While I agree the win wasn’t life altering, it was def a solid win and hopefully one that gets us started on the right path again...I for one was nervous with this game...DePaul should have beat providence last week and with wins over Iowa, Minnesota and Texas Tech they have proved to be a high quality team...
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Very happy we won. Still it’s DePaul. No one is celebrating.
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Tony is the worst St. John's poster of all time.
Redy2Rumble? Bet you couldn't fight your way out of a wet paper bag. :2funny:
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Redy2Rumble? Bet you couldn't fight your way out of a wet paper bag. :2funny:
😂🤣😂
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They beat last place DePaul at home in what would have been a one possession game had DP hit more than one of the free throws they were awarded when St John's senior team leader fouled a three point shooter with 40 seconds left. So no, its not at all an impressive win.
Since the forum oracle believes DePaul could win the BE I would say it’s a solid win.
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Since the forum oracle believes DePaul could win the BE I would say it’s a solid win.
I don't see another win until the first week in February. So it was less a solid win than a must win. Because they're looking at 4-10 the rest of the way.
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Congrats on the win, Depaul is a good team this year, they will win a good share of BE games, I think the Johnnnies win the next one.
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I don't see another win until the first week in February. So it was less a solid win than a must win. Because they're looking at 4-10 the rest of the way.
Your right it was a must win as I feel Wednesday night is as well....I think all true Johnnie fans still want to dream of a trip to the big dance....with a win Wednesday night, we will keep that dream alive and Saturday should be exciting...let’s go johnnies!!!
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Win Wednesday and Foady disappears again
Pot calling the kettle black?
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Pot calling the kettle black?
Like I told you previously. I kind of wish the hero, and the remaining members of the cult got to experience year 5 of the Mullin experience. This time without a recruiter. Losing sucks but watching you guys make excuses for last place AGAIN would be amusing. As would you and your ilk for making excuses playing this season with 8 or less players.
Not my HERO
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Redy2Rumble? Bet you couldn't fight your way out of a wet paper bag. :2funny:
Why don't you DM me and we can meet up at game? Let's talk then.
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why would anyone be upset with having a good person, head coach and staff at sju? We lost twice to DePaul last season and were highly regarded in BE poll. Its amazing team was in playoff game with those kind of loses. What is the anger about?
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why would anyone be upset with having a good person, head coach and staff at sju? We lost twice to DePaul last season and were highly regarded in BE poll. Its amazing team was in playoff game with those kind of loses. What is the anger about?
The anger is some little pissants are butthurt that their mancrush Mullin was let go because he sucked. Plain and simple.
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why would anyone be upset with having a good person, head coach and staff at sju? What is the anger about?
I've yet to see one post expressing people being upset at or anger towards CFC. What are you talking about? Projection?
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The anger is some little pissants are butthurt that their mancrush Mullin was let go because he sucked. Plain and simple.
See above.
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Like I told you previously. I kind of wish the hero, and the remaining members of the cult got to experience year 5 of the Mullin experience. This time without a recruiter. Losing sucks but watching you guys make excuses for last place AGAIN would be amusing. As would you and your ilk for making excuses playing this season with 8 or less players.
Not my HERO
There you go again making wild claims and predicting a future that never has or will happen. With such certainty even. Clever debating tactic.
P.S. I kind of wish I never taught you the word "ilk".
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CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT MULLIN! Yes he took us to a tourney and got better each year and attendance sky rocketed. He came in with nothing here and turned it around. You have to give credit for that but he also was not a good coach and was lazy and deserved all the criticism a Coach gets. If he was any other Coach and not the poster boy and the legend of St. Johns people would not defend him as much as they do. We also should not crucify him..... He is gone its over root for this team and Coach Anderson every single topic just goes back to Mullin its terrible....... Much needed win vs a decent DePaul teams who owes wins over Iowa, Minnesota and Texas Tech. Lets go beat Providence and make Saturday a HUGE game vs Seton Hall. Just got my tickets for Saturday with 6 buddies who are not St. John's or Seton Hall fans. They are hoping for a great atmosphere at the Garden.
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There you go again making wild claims and predicting a future that never has or will happen. With such certainty even. Clever debating tactic.
P.S. I kind of wish I never taught you the word "ilk".
Familiar with the word even though I don’t usually use it. However the term butt hurt is not something that I have heard before. I love it. Makes me laugh every time.
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CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT MULLIN! Yes he took us to a tourney and got better each year and attendance sky rocketed. He came in with nothing here and turned it around. You have to give credit for that but he also was not a good coach and was lazy and deserved all the criticism a Coach gets. If he was any other Coach and not the poster boy and the legend of St. Johns people would not defend him as much as they do. We also should not crucify him..... He is gone its over root for this team and Coach Anderson every single topic just goes back to Mullin its terrible.......
Not every post expressing skepticism about the long term prospects of SJ basketball generally or Anderson specifically - both of which skepticisms I share - is an endorsement of Mullin, who deserves some credit for what he achieved and some criticism for what he didn't. If his name was added to the list of the words that are forbidden here discourse would improve immeasurably, because in the main the only people who mention him are the people who have animus toward him.
I think there are serious questions about Anderson's prospects moving forward, specifically the shortcomings inherent in his fugazi system and his approach to recruiting. Those doubts have nothing to do with Mullin, about whom I think only about when his name is mentioned here by those who can't go 20 minutes without shrieking out his name like demented Tourette's patients.
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Not every post expressing skepticism about the long term prospects of SJ basketball generally or Anderson specifically - both of which skepticisms I share - is an endorsement of Mullin, who deserves some credit for what he achieved and some criticism for what he didn't. If his name was added to the list of the words that are forbidden here discourse would improve immeasurably, because in the main the only people who mention him are the people who have animus toward him.
I think there are serious questions about Anderson's prospects moving forward, specifically the shortcomings inherent in his fugazi system and his approach to recruiting. Those doubts have nothing to do with Mullin, about whom I think only about when his name is mentioned here by those who can't go 20 minutes without shrieking out his name like demented Tourette's patients.
Anderson’s recruits- Rutherford C grade. The kid has been fine. Solid player. Wish he were more talented. But he holds his own.
Champagnie- 3 star guy- B so far. Better then expected getting abused so far in big east. Had a much better game Saturday.
Sears- C - he is ok. Plays hard
Dunn- B- has been up and down. Looked great Saturday. At times he has been very good. Was dominant at times Saturday.
Under the circumstances those players seem fine. Next years class is better. That’s reality. As far as his approach to recruiting, not sure you can find fault in it. He is actually out there trying. Yesterday he was out on Long Island recruiting a 4 star kid from Brentwood
Fugazi system- absolutely makes no sense. Coach has never had a losing season. And he won’t this year. His half court offense is weak. So was mullins. Better players will score more easily. Half court offense looked fine Saturday. Dunn was great. LJ was good. And heron was much better.
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As far as Anderson goes we need to step back before saying he is the savior as well. I for one love his system I am all about pressure and defense. His half court offense has struggled but we also do not have the pass first point guard or a dead eye 3point shooter. Be interesting to see how the recruits are next year but we need to give him time to see what happens in first three years......Any St. Johns fan at this point of the year would have been happy with where we stand currently. As projected to finish 9th in the Big East to be 12-5 with 2 or 3 Quad 1 wins ( not sure if DePaul is one) we should be happy. Going into the year i had us at 12-5 right now as well i had us beating Vermont and Butler but losing to Arizona and West Va. We are on track in a rebuilding year based on ALL pre season projections. 2 all conference players or not when you are picked 9th out of 10 teams in a conference it is a rebuilding year......We might finish 10th we might finish 3rd the Big East is so tough but we should be happy to have came away with Coach Anderson. Lets sweep this week
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Not every post expressing skepticism about the long term prospects of SJ basketball generally or Anderson specifically - both of which skepticisms I share - is an endorsement of Mullin, who deserves some credit for what he achieved and some criticism for what he didn't. If his name was added to the list of the words that are forbidden here discourse would improve immeasurably, because in the main the only people who mention him are the people who have animus toward him.
I think there are serious questions about Anderson's prospects moving forward, specifically the shortcomings inherent in his fugazi system and his approach to recruiting. Those doubts have nothing to do with Mullin, about whom I think only about when his name is mentioned here by those who can't go 20 minutes without shrieking out his name like demented Tourette's patients.
There are def legit questions.... but what he runs is not a "Fugazi system". Now whether or not he can get the athletes to run it is another questions. In my opinion it's the type of system you have to run to win when you are not going end up with a team of 4/5 stars who can just win on talent alone. As a Maryland grad who gets to watch a team full of talent lose to lesser teams on the regular, it's kind of fun to watch.
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DePaul was clearly the more talented team so the win is nothing to sneeze at. I am confident they return the favor at home by low double-digits.
I feel bad for them as they remind me of our program and how hard it is for teams to learn to win in just one year of being good.
I don’t know Charlie Moore’s situation but I hope he has one more year for their sake so they can put something together.
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CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT MULLIN!
You write in bold caps "CAN WE STOP TALKING ABOUT MULLIN!" then immediately commence talking about Mullin. Well played.
"Yes he took us to a tourney and got better each year and attendance sky rocketed. He came in with nothing here and turned it around."
Next line:
"but he also was not a good coach and was lazy and deserved all the criticism a Coach gets."
You've made incongruous statements. Contradict yourself much?
If he was any other Coach and not the poster boy and the legend of St. Johns people would not defend him as much as they do.
Can't speak for the board but that's certainly why I do it. He's earned it and we're on a St. John's fan site for g*ds sake.
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There are def legit questions.... but what he runs is not a "Fugazi system". Now whether or not he can get the athletes to run it is another questions. In my opinion it's the type of system you have to run to win when you are not going end up with a team of 4/5 stars who can just win on talent alone. As a Maryland grad who gets to watch a team full of talent lose to lesser teams on the regular, it's kind of fun to watch.
It's fugazi by my definition of fugazi - and "when I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less" - meaning gimmicky. And by gimmicky I mean the type of system you have to run to win when you are not going end up with a team of 4/5 stars who can just win on talent alone. What we're seeing isn't Pete Carill or John Beilein and neither is it Tony Bennett. It's not even Mel Torme. It's a one trick system that was figured out by coaches in the SEC - and there's not a lot of rocket scientists in the SEC coaching ranks - two thirds of the time.
If all you had to do to compete on a national level was recruit three star recruits and run a full court press more people would do it. And yet no one does. Instead various hall of fame coaches who are a lot more successful than Anderson - who I can't call CTC anymore because that appellation has been usurped - routinely commit felonies to garner as many four and five star recruits as they can that can excel in various variations of traditional basketball systems.
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who I can't call CTC anymore because that appellation has been usurped
I'll give it back if you would like. It's your creation.
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It's fugazi by my definition of fugazi - and "when I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less" - meaning gimmicky. And by gimmicky I mean the type of system you have to run to win when you are not going end up with a team of 4/5 stars who can just win on talent alone. What we're seeing isn't Pete Carill or John Beilein and neither is it Tony Bennett. It's not even Mel Torme. It's a one trick system that was figured out by coaches in the SEC - and there's not a lot of rocket scientists in the SEC coaching ranks - two thirds of the time.
If all you had to do to compete on a national level was recruit three star recruits and run a full court press more people would do it. And yet no one does. Instead various hall of fame coaches who are a lot more successful than Anderson - who I can't call CTC anymore because that appellation has been usurped - routinely commit felonies to garner as many four and five star recruits as they can that can excel in various variations of traditional basketball systems.
Please explain how the SEC coaches figured out Mike Anderson’s system. In his last 6 years he was 16 games over .500. He had 1 losing season in that span going 8-10.
Coach Mullin (who had no system) best season was 8-10. Was coach Mullin fugazi?
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Please explain how they make potted meats. Some people call it spam I call it potted meats. Hmm mmm
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Much better. Stay away from talking basketball. It’s not for you. Foad is fugazi.