6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: AcesUp on February 03, 2012, 12:17:28 PM
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SUNY-CUSE...SUNY-CUSE.....SUNY-CUSE
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Stole it from another poster on this site who shall remain nameless.. ;D
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they are gonna out number us by ALOT
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they are gonna out number us by ALOT
Is there any way they can be refused entry :)
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Is there any way they can be refused entry
What the program should have entertained is playing them at Louie arena instead of the Garden. Would at least keep it as a home game that way.
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Who is Poison rooting for. LOL Just kidding Poison
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Is there any way they can be refused entry
What the program should have entertained is playing them at Louie arena instead of the Garden. Would at least keep it as a home game that way.
I'd play them there next year for sure.
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they are gonna out number us by ALOT
I hear ya.. the school has to step it up with more creativity.. esp. for big games like this.. I would personally DONATE $$ to a fund that would go towards student transportation and tickets to have MSG filled with RED...
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What the program should have entertained is playing them at Louie arena instead of the Garden. Would at least keep it as a home game that way.
This is America. $$$$$
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What the program should have entertained is playing them at Louie arena instead of the Garden. Would at least keep it as a home game that way.
This is America. $$$$$
Last I heard we don't receive money from concessions, so why create a hostile home enviornment and just play them on campus next year, especially since they are leaving the BE and most of all because their fans are pretty much the biggest (rhymes with bricks) in the BE>
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What the program should have entertained is playing them at Louie arena instead of the Garden. Would at least keep it as a home game that way.
This is America. $$$$$
Last I heard we don't receive money from concessions, so why create a hostile home enviornment and just play them on campus next year, especially since they are leaving the BE and most of all because their fans are pretty much the biggest (rhymes with bricks) in the BE>
We're not going to play our biggest home game on campus. UCONN, Cuse, Georgetown have all drawn very well at MSG for years.... why would the administration change policy now? Because Cuse is leaving the Big East?
Sorry, if Cuse is leaving the Big East and we won't see them for awhile, I'd rather play them at the garden in a big atmosphere. Even if that means a split crowd.
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I would not be surprised if he's never actually attended a class at Syracuse.
That said, the students should let him have it. Will they?
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What the program should have entertained is playing them at Louie arena instead of the Garden. Would at least keep it as a home game that way.
This is America. $$$$$
Last I heard we don't receive money from concessions, so why create a hostile home enviornment and just play them on campus next year, especially since they are leaving the BE and most of all because their fans are pretty much the biggest (rhymes with bricks) in the BE>
I've thought that and suggested it, but recruits need to see us play in MSG. And our players want to play their biggest games on a bigger stage.
WV outnumbered us as well. We took them out of the game by outplaying them.
If we win, it won't matter how many SU fans are there. It's time for the excuses to stop, and St.John's to take Syracuse down. Next year is tomorrow.
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What the program should have entertained is playing them at Louie arena instead of the Garden. Would at least keep it as a home game that way.
This is America. $$$$$
Last I heard we don't receive money from concessions, so why create a hostile home enviornment and just play them on campus next year, especially since they are leaving the BE and most of all because their fans are pretty much the biggest (rhymes with bricks) in the BE>
We're not going to play our biggest home game on campus. UCONN, Cuse, Georgetown have all drawn very well at MSG for years.... why would the administration change policy now? Because Cuse is leaving the Big East?
Sorry, if Cuse is leaving the Big East and we won't see them for awhile, I'd rather play them at the garden in a big atmosphere. Even if that means a split crowd.
We pissed off Gonzo after he made MSG remarks by playing him in Queens, no?
Sorry but this isn't a policy issue. No STJ fan should be annoyed if we did this. Only ppl this will piss off is Cuse fans who have no shot in hell of getting tickets on campus.
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The chant should be....HIT THE BOOKS--- HIT THE BOOKS--HIT THE BOOKS
or
GED----GED----GED
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The chant should be....HIT THE BOOKS--- HIT THE BOOKS--HIT THE BOOKS
or
GED----GED----GED
whatever it is there needs to be something. Only 2 other teams i despise more than cuse in all of sports...
Top 3:
CUSE
Redsox
ManU
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The chant should be....HIT THE BOOKS--- HIT THE BOOKS--HIT THE BOOKS
or
GED----GED----GED
whatever it is there needs to be something. Only 2 other teams i despise more than cuse in all of sports...
Top 3:
CUSE
Redsox
ManU
You hate Cuse more than you hate Uconn and Duke? Please explain? Syracuse doesn't compete with us for recruits, or at least hasn't since Adrian Autry, and they've never knocked us out of the dance. The reason why they beat us now has nothing to do with them, and everything to do with St.John's University and their level of effort.
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Sorry, if Cuse is leaving the Big East and we won't see them for awhile, I'd rather play them at the garden in a big atmosphere. Even if that means a split crowd.
Split crowd? If Cuse / SJU at the Garden is your idea of a split I would love to split a big poker pot with you
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What the program should have entertained is playing them at Louie arena instead of the Garden. Would at least keep it as a home game that way.
This is America. $$$$$
Last I heard we don't receive money from concessions, so why create a hostile home enviornment and just play them on campus next year, especially since they are leaving the BE and most of all because their fans are pretty much the biggest (rhymes with bricks) in the BE>
We're not going to play our biggest home game on campus. UCONN, Cuse, Georgetown have all drawn very well at MSG for years.... why would the administration change policy now? Because Cuse is leaving the Big East?
Sorry, if Cuse is leaving the Big East and we won't see them for awhile, I'd rather play them at the garden in a big atmosphere. Even if that means a split crowd.
We pissed off Gonzo after he made MSG remarks by playing him in Queens, no?
Sorry but this isn't a policy issue. No STJ fan should be annoyed if we did this. Only ppl this will piss off is Cuse fans who have no shot in hell of getting tickets on campus.
And I'm telling you, it would annoy me. I'd still attend the game in Queens obviously. But I believe one of the ways we increase our attendance is by playing big games at the garden and winning them. It draws more attention and spotlight on the team.
If we had played Cuse at the end of last season, rather than in January, it would have been a totally different crowd. Think about that..
If the Pitt and Syracuse games had been reversed on last year's schedule, you can't tell me that wouldn't have made for a great atmosphere.
I just feel that if we only have one or two more games left against Syracuse, then I'd like to see them at msg. And, I just hope that we build momentum this season and next so that our fan base is out in full force.
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Cuse is one of the few opponents we have that is capable of producing a sell-out at the garden, and a special atmosphere for our team/players. Under the right conditions I think UCONN, Georgetown, and to a lesser extent Villanova could as well. But they'd have to be ranked, we'd have to be ranked etc etc.
But if we have momentum, and our fan base is excited, like it was towards the end of last season; a positive crowd is possible against Syracuse as well.
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What the program should have entertained is playing them at Louie arena instead of the Garden. Would at least keep it as a home game that way.
This is America. $$$$$
Last I heard we don't receive money from concessions, so why create a hostile home enviornment and just play them on campus next year, especially since they are leaving the BE and most of all because their fans are pretty much the biggest (rhymes with bricks) in the BE>
We're not going to play our biggest home game on campus. UCONN, Cuse, Georgetown have all drawn very well at MSG for years.... why would the administration change policy now? Because Cuse is leaving the Big East?
Sorry, if Cuse is leaving the Big East and we won't see them for awhile, I'd rather play them at the garden in a big atmosphere. Even if that means a split crowd.
We pissed off Gonzo after he made MSG remarks by playing him in Queens, no?
Sorry but this isn't a policy issue. No STJ fan should be annoyed if we did this. Only ppl this will piss off is Cuse fans who have no shot in hell of getting tickets on campus.
And I'm telling you, it would annoy me. I'd still attend the game in Queens obviously. But I believe one of the ways we increase our attendance is by playing big games at the garden and winning them. It draws more attention and spotlight on the team.
If we had played Cuse at the end of last season, rather than in January, it would have been a totally different crowd. Think about that..
If the Pitt and Syracuse games had been reversed on last year's schedule, you can't tell me that wouldn't have made for a great atmosphere.
I just feel that if we only have one or two more games left against Syracuse, then I'd like to see them at msg. And, I just hope that we build momentum this season and next so that our fan base is out in full force.
Sorry but it sucks to sit in that building that is our 'home court' and be outnumbered 7 or 8 to 1. Taking all the theatrics of a sold out Garden out of the equation mostly because we haven't had much success. BET was palpable last year only because I think neutral fans were pulling for us. But the home game was sickening and has been for a number of years. Duke a little less and Uconn less than that. Pitt was the best game because it was 85% STJ fans and the bottom level was sold out.
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I am already dreading listening to those orange clad @ssholes standing and clapping until they make their first shot
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Once again the limited capacity of the on campus arena bites us.
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Cuse is one of the few opponents we have that is capable of producing a sell-out at the garden, and a special atmosphere for our team/players. Under the right conditions I think UCONN, Georgetown, and to a lesser extent Villanova could as well. But they'd have to be ranked, we'd have to be ranked etc etc.
But if we have momentum, and our fan base is excited, like it was towards the end of last season; a positive crowd is possible against Syracuse as well.
It's certainly possible. But SJ needs its fan base to care. When you're a student, you have no excuse being a front runner, but as an alumni, it's your right to not care about SJ, if the brain trust isn't doing their part. We win a few early next year, SJ fans will run to the front, and we'll compete with SU.
No one would believe that SJ is a bigger school than SU. Why would they?
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What the program should have entertained is playing them at Louie arena instead of the Garden. Would at least keep it as a home game that way.
This is America. $$$$$
Last I heard we don't receive money from concessions, so why create a hostile home enviornment and just play them on campus next year, especially since they are leaving the BE and most of all because their fans are pretty much the biggest (rhymes with bricks) in the BE>
We're not going to play our biggest home game on campus. UCONN, Cuse, Georgetown have all drawn very well at MSG for years.... why would the administration change policy now? Because Cuse is leaving the Big East?
Sorry, if Cuse is leaving the Big East and we won't see them for awhile, I'd rather play them at the garden in a big atmosphere. Even if that means a split crowd.
We pissed off Gonzo after he made MSG remarks by playing him in Queens, no?
Sorry but this isn't a policy issue. No STJ fan should be annoyed if we did this. Only ppl this will piss off is Cuse fans who have no shot in hell of getting tickets on campus.
And I'm telling you, it would annoy me. I'd still attend the game in Queens obviously. But I believe one of the ways we increase our attendance is by playing big games at the garden and winning them. It draws more attention and spotlight on the team.
If we had played Cuse at the end of last season, rather than in January, it would have been a totally different crowd. Think about that..
If the Pitt and Syracuse games had been reversed on last year's schedule, you can't tell me that wouldn't have made for a great atmosphere.
I just feel that if we only have one or two more games left against Syracuse, then I'd like to see them at msg. And, I just hope that we build momentum this season and next so that our fan base is out in full force.
Sorry but it sucks to sit in that building that is our 'home court' and be outnumbered 7 or 8 to 1. Taking all the theatrics of a sold out Garden out of the equation mostly because we haven't had much success. BET was palpable last year only because I think neutral fans were pulling for us. But the home game was sickening and has been for a number of years. Duke a little less and Uconn less than that. Pitt was the best game because it was 85% STJ fans and the bottom level was sold out.
I agree with you that in years past it has been brutal. I expect it to be slightly better tomorrow, but not a whole lot different. But I would expect/hope that as the program moves forward we draw better attendance at MSG. Probably never enough to drown out Cuse fans altogether. But we've been so bad for so long that it's hard to tell how we would draw against cuse in a marquee matchup when both teams are ranked.
Better days are ahead. People will be jumping on the bandwagon.
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What the program should have entertained is playing them at Louie arena instead of the Garden. Would at least keep it as a home game that way.
This is America. $$$$$
Last I heard we don't receive money from concessions, so why create a hostile home enviornment and just play them on campus next year
Ticket sales? I've been to 4 games thus far at Alumni and 0 at the Garden. So I personally wouldn't mind all of them in Queens. But it seems counter productive and downright unatural from a marketing standpoint to turn away paying customers for our events; no matter if their shirts are orange or red. So long as their paper is green.
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What the program should have entertained is playing them at Louie arena instead of the Garden. Would at least keep it as a home game that way.
This is America. $$$$$
Last I heard we don't receive money from concessions, so why create a hostile home enviornment and just play them on campus next year
Ticket sales? I've been to 4 games thus far at Alumni and 0 at the Garden. So I personally wouldn't mind all of them in Queens. But it seems counter productive and downright unatural from a marketing standpoint to turn away paying customers for our events; no matter if their shirts are orange or red. So long as their paper is green.
Well some other food for thought during the crappy Norm years we were still breaking even with ease even with crappy attendance numbers.
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I am already dreading listening to those orange clad @ssholes standing and clapping until they make their first shot
Only one way to make them sit down and shut up. Play better.
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The chant should be....HIT THE BOOKS--- HIT THE BOOKS--HIT THE BOOKS
or
GED----GED----GED
whatever it is there needs to be something. Only 2 other teams i despise more than cuse in all of sports...
Top 3:
CUSE
Redsox
ManU
My top 3 are:
Redsox
Patriots
UConn
But Syracuse is in the top 7.
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Someone should bring a big face of laurie fine for the student section
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Someone should bring a big face of laurie fine for the student section
hiiiilllarrrrioooouuuss
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Someone should bring a big face of laurie fine for the student section
There are 400 pictures already made up. Saw pictures on Redmen.com. Hi-larious
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Needless to say that many posters make excellent points. Saint John's has long maintained a small time meaningless basketball program and much of the discussion in this thread carries on that tradition. For example, who among us can forget just 5 or 6 years ago when we celebrated the 25th anniversary of the year we lost a game in the final four. Good time. Or that where other teams hang championship banners, we treasure an ugly sweater - or as I like to think of it, the Shroud of Louie.
Now though, things have changed. What with Jim Calhoun absent due to medical issues and Hall of Fame coaches like Jim Boeheim, Jamie Dixon, and Bob Huggins leaving the league we are poised to take our rightful place at or near the top of the teams that are left, legendary basketball powerhouses such as Seton Hall, Providence and Boise State. To me it's just as unfortunate that the good programs did not leave the league sooner as it is that more children were not brutally sodomized at earlier ages by more coaches and their wives, which could only have helped propel the SJ juggernaut. In fact, if George Blaney is caught making a snuff film and Mike Brey and Buzz Williams spontaneously combust I think that next year we could finish in the top half of the league.
There's no doubt that not allowing the other teams fans to attend the games would be an advantage. Ideally we would not allow the other teams to attend the games - especially the great teams with great coaches that are perennial national championship contenders like Syracuse and Uconn, gosh how I hate those guys - but that might be considered poor sportsmanship. And sure I know that some people think you can only be the best if you beat the best but I'd be happy enough win a national championship if every other basketball player in the country died in a plane crash and had their corpses violated anally by Jerry Sandusky. That would just make the victory all the sweeter. Because lets face it this is New York and if you can make it here you can make it anywhere, even Syracuse.
The ideal solution to the fan base problem would be to build an on campus arena that's even smaller than Schottenheimer Stadium, sorry I mean Bud Grant Coliseum, sorry I mean Carnesecca Arena, our state of the art on campus facility - because what could be more unnerving to a free throw shooter in a tight ball game than having a crowd of 100 or 200 die hard toupeed fans in red and white sweaters staring you down. Not to mention the delicious schadenfreude one would feel as the tens of thousand of Syracuse or UConn fans who would otherwise attend the game at the Mecca of college basketball would have to stay home and watch it on television, like a sad and pathetic Arab sheik reduced to watching a hajj from the harem room in his palace.
Those of course our all solutions for the future. For todays game I’ve prepared some slogans that I'm going to chant which I think may well effect the outcome.
-- Bernie. Your wife's a skank and douches with Pine. Sol.
-- You might be Fab, I bet you wouldn't be so mellow if you were showering with Jerry Sandusky!
-- Hey Fab Melo you might be a number one draft pick making millions of dollars a year playing basketball and having threesomes with the Laker girls but you couldn’t even pass English 101 so suck
it.
-- Ha! Syracuse is only #2 in the country, try harder
-- Hey Jardine, what kind of a name is Scoop? You sound like a reporter or something.
-- Rakim Christmas: did Bernie Fine come down your chimney?
Unlikely that even the most hardened “baller” will be able to withstand such withering stuff.
To seal the deal before the game I’ll be having at the current Mrs Foad, who’ll be dressed up like a cheerleader and wearing a Juli Boeheim mask. Because Juli Boeheim is smoking and the missus catholic school unifrom is at the dry cleaner. I suspect the karmic energy from this act (or acts, depending on how much Johnnie Black I drink) may turn the tide and lead us to victory. Because : we are. Saint John’s.
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Great job by the SJ students making Melo feeling comfortable. Way to earn you spot on the floor. There is no reason to remove all you, and or expell or beat you with sticks.
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Great job by the SJ students making Melo feeling comfortable. Way to earn you spot on the floor. There is no reason to remove all you, and or expell or beat you with sticks.
The students did a great job. They can't control the talent disparity between the two teams.
As for Melo, he sucks. He is so awkward and, if he spent 10 years in college, he won't make it in the NBA. Any team that drafts him should have their entire front office fired. Career high 14 pts on dunks over guys who are a foot shorter than him does not make him NBA material. Sweet stroke on his free throws though for a doofus.
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Great job by the SJ students making Melo feeling comfortable. Way to earn you spot on the floor. There is no reason to remove all you, and or expell or beat you with sticks.
The students did a great job. They can't control the talent disparity between the two teams.
As for Melo, he sucks. He is so awkward and, if he spent 10 years in college, he won't make it in the NBA. Any team that drafts him should have their entire front office fired. Career high 14 pts on dunks over guys who are a foot shorter than him does not make him NBA material. Sweet stroke on his free throws though for a doofus.
But if he played for us he would be the greatest thing since sliced bread right? Looked pretty good when he smoked Mr. NBA Moe on his lay-up attempt above the rim though huh? As for the St J's fans doing a great job-yeah the .000000001% that attended the game shur nuff did!
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Great job by the SJ students making Melo feeling comfortable. Way to earn you spot on the floor. There is no reason to remove all you, and or expell or beat you with sticks.
The students did a great job. They can't control the talent disparity between the two teams.
As for Melo, he sucks. He is so awkward and, if he spent 10 years in college, he won't make it in the NBA. Any team that drafts him should have their entire front office fired. Career high 14 pts on dunks over guys who are a foot shorter than him does not make him NBA material. Sweet stroke on his free throws though for a doofus.
But if he played for us he would be the greatest thing since sliced bread right? Looked pretty good when he smoked Mr. NBA Moe on his lay-up attempt above the rim though huh? As for the St J's fans doing a great job-yeah the .000000001% that attended the game shur nuff did!
Yeah he blocked a shot. That makes him an All-American. No, Celtics11, he sucks! And he would still suck if he played for us. Jasulonus sucked. Lamont Hamilton sucked (but not as much as Fab Melo). And they played for us. I wouldn't call out one of our players because I wouldn't hate him the way I hate Cuse players, but that wouldn't mean he was great.
Michael Carter-Williams and CJ Fair are great and they play for Cuse. Stith isn't great and he plays for us. Melo just sucks.
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Great job by the SJ students making Melo feeling comfortable. Way to earn you spot on the floor. There is no reason to remove all you, and or expell or beat you with sticks.
The students did a great job. They can't control the talent disparity between the two teams.
As for Melo, he sucks. He is so awkward and, if he spent 10 years in college, he won't make it in the NBA. Any team that drafts him should have their entire front office fired. Career high 14 pts on dunks over guys who are a foot shorter than him does not make him NBA material. Sweet stroke on his free throws though for a doofus.
But if he played for us he would be the greatest thing since sliced bread right? Looked pretty good when he smoked Mr. NBA Moe on his lay-up attempt above the rim though huh? As for the St J's fans doing a great job-yeah the .000000001% that attended the game shur nuff did!
Yeah he blocked a shot. That makes him an All-American. No, Celtics11, he sucks! And he would still suck if he played for us. Jasulonus sucked. Lamont Hamilton sucked (but not as much as Fab Melo). And they played for us. I wouldn't call out one of our players because I wouldn't hate him the way I hate Cuse players, but that wouldn't mean he was great.
Michael Carter-Williams and CJ Fair are great and they play for Cuse. Stith isn't great and he plays for us. Melo just sucks.
Concur, simplyred (although, I think MCW and CJ Fair are good, and not "great").
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No, he's not Dwight Howard, but what center in college is better than him?
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No, he's not Dwight Howard, but what center in college is better than him?
More bootlicking, Poison? I can name a few collegiate centers that are better than him.
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Melo will be an NBA player. Anyone who thinks otherwise is blinded too much by their Cuse hate. I hate them more than anything but he sucked like crap last year and improved tremendously this year. I'm sure it will only get better for him.
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Melo will be an NBA player. Anyone who thinks otherwise is blinded too much by their Cuse hate. I hate them more than anything but he sucked like crap last year and improved tremendously this year. I'm sure it will only get better for him.
I'm not one of those 'Cuse haters. I only "hate" one team in the Big East and it ain't the 'Cuse. Melo will be an NBA player, but I'm not sure he'll have a long career. I'm not a big fan of his.
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No, he's not Dwight Howard, but what center in college is better than him?
More bootlicking, Poison? I can name a few collegiate centers that are better than him.
You can? Start with one.
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No, he's not Dwight Howard, but what center in college is better than him?
More bootlicking, Poison? I can name a few collegiate centers that are better than him.
You can? Start with one.
I'll give you a few.... Anthony Davis, Jared Sullinger, Perry Jones, III, Patric Young, and Tyler and Cody Zeller. Heck! Henry Sims of G'town is better than him, IMO. Those are just a few.
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No, he's not Dwight Howard, but what center in college is better than him?
More bootlicking, Poison? I can name a few collegiate centers that are better than him.
You can? Start with one.
I'll give you a few.... Anthony Davis, Jared Sullinger, Perry Jones, III, Patric Young, and Tyler and Cody Zeller. Those are
just a few.
What are you talking about? I said CENTERS. Not power forwards. And seriously, Patric Young? Melo batted him around like a bunny. Hate all you want, but don't let it get in the way good sense.
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No, he's not Dwight Howard, but what center in college is better than him?
More bootlicking, Poison? I can name a few collegiate centers that are better than him.
You can? Start with one.
I'll give you a few.... Anthony Davis, Jared Sullinger, Perry Jones, III, Patric Young, and Tyler and Cody Zeller. Those are
just a few.
What are you talking about? I said CENTERS. Not power forwards. And seriously, Patric Young? Melo batted him around like a bunny. Hate all you want, but don't let it get in the way good sense.
LOL Those guys play CENTER on their respective COLLEGIATE teams. You said, better college centers, correct? Hate?! I don't hate anything about 'Cuse. Besides, that is a trite and overused word. It wasn't like Melo was guarding Young one-on-one. So, don't get it twisted like he kept him in check all by his lonesome.
Don't allow your constant bootlicking to override your train of thought is more like it.
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I don't think you know what a center is. Gift plays center, but he is not a center. Sullinger is great. Davis is great too, but they are not centers. You've lost this one. End it before you embarrass yourself further.
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I don't think you know what a center is. Gift plays center, but he is not a center. Sullinger is great. Davis is great too, but they are not centers. You've lost this one. End it before you embarrass yourself further.
Stop contradicting yourself, bootlicker. I know what a center is. Just because someone doesn't look like Shaq it doesn't mean they aren't a center. You said, center in college. Those kids play center on their respective teams. I named some guys who are better and then you start talking out of your anus. Predictable.
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No, he's not Dwight Howard, but what center in college is better than him?
More bootlicking, Poison? I can name a few collegiate centers that are better than him.
You can? Start with one.
You think Fab Melo is the best center in the country right now? Are you serious? The guy has grabbed double digit rebounds in one game this season (10 against Pitt). He only averages 5.7 per game. He's not a scorer. He's a shot blocker, not much more. He will probably get drafted and be a backup Center in the NBA, but he'll never be anything special in my opinion. You think he's better than Davis, Sullinger, and Drummund? They all play Center for their teams.
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Not the best center. The only center. Don't give me this BS that Sullinger is a center. You can't look at stats alone and judge a player's impact and importance to a team. Clearly, I've been watching bball longer than you guys have.
Don't think Melo is that good. What's Syracuse's record with him in the line up?
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Not the best center. The only center. Don't give me this BS that Sullinger is a center. He'll be lucky to play the 4 in college.
So a center is only what you decide is a center? Not guys that actually play the position in college? They are not in the NBA yet, we're talking about college. Sullinger plays the center position for the Buckeyes. And Drummund will prob play center in the NBA. Both are way better than Melo. Anthony Davis plays center for Kentucky, and blocks more shots, scores more, and averages more rebounds than Melo.
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Not the best center. The only center. Don't give me this BS that Sullinger is a center. You can't look at stats alone and judge a player's impact and importance to a team. Clearly, I've been watching bball longer than you guys have.
Don't think Melo is that good. What's Syracuse's record with him in the line up?
So suppose St. John's has the choice of Davis, Sullinger, Drummond, and Melo to play center for us for the rest of the season. Who you taking?
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Not the best center. The only center. Don't give me this BS that Sullinger is a center. You can't look at stats alone and judge a player's impact and importance to a team. Clearly, I've been watching bball longer than you guys have.
Don't think Melo is that good. What's Syracuse's record with him in the line up?
Yeah.... You can attempt to manipulate the argument all you want, but those kids play center for their respective teams. I think most folk will agree they are better than Melo. 'Cuse has only lost one game all year. Quite frankly, I think they lose that game even with Melo. So, what is your point?
I don't care how long you've been watching the game. I've been watching the game since '79 and I believe I have a good wealth of knowledge. So, don't play that card here.
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Drummond sucks. Uconn has 4 losses in the BE. They lost to Seton Hall and RU.
Ask Herb Pope if he'd rather face Melo or Drummond?
And again, I'm talking about REAL centers. Not bullsh*t centers. How do you not see
that Melo is the reason why Syracuse is 23-1? I don't understand how that isn't obvious
to anyone who follows the game.
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Not the best center. The only center. Don't give me this BS that Sullinger is a center. He'll be lucky to play the 4 in college.
So a center is only what you decide is a center? Not guys that actually play the position in college? They are not in the NBA yet, we're talking about college. Sullinger plays the center position for the Buckeyes. And Drummund will prob play center in the NBA. Both are way better than Melo. Anthony Davis plays center for Kentucky, and blocks more shots, scores more, and averages more rebounds than Melo.
He even said, the best center in COLLEGE. Now, he's contradicting himself like a criminal during interrogation.
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Drummond sucks. Uconn has 4 losses in the BE. They lost to Seton Hall and RU.
Ask Herb Pope if he'd rather face Melo or Drummond?
And again, I'm talking about REAL centers. Not bullsh*t centers. How do you not see
that Melo is the reason why Syracuse is 23-1? I don't understand how that isn't obvious
to anyone who follows the game.
So, you think Melo is the sole reason 'Cuse is 23-1? LOL I've had my laugh for this early morning.
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Yeah cuse would probably be a .500 team right now if they didn't have Melo and his 5.7 rebounds. ::)
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20-0 with Fab Melo in the line up. 2-1 with a blowout loss and two very close wins against average BE teams.
You have may been watching. Try paying attention.
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Drummond sucks. Uconn has 4 losses in the BE. They lost to Seton Hall and RU.
Ask Herb Pope if he'd rather face Melo or Drummond?
'Cuse has a better team than UConn. Your point?
Ask Herb Pople who he'd rather face between Melo or Drummond? I don't know what he'll say, but I think he wouldn't wanna face 'Cuse's long zone is more like it. You're reaching for straws.
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Not the best center. The only center. Don't give me this BS that Sullinger is a center. You can't look at stats alone and judge a player's impact and importance to a team. Clearly, I've been watching bball longer than you guys have.
Don't think Melo is that good. What's Syracuse's record with him in the line up?
So suppose St. John's has the choice of Davis, Sullinger, Drummond, and Melo to play center for us for the rest of the season. Who you taking?
You haven't answered my question yet.
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20-0 with Fab Melo in the line up. 2-1 with a blowout loss and two very close wins against average BE teams.
You have may been watching. Try paying attention.
A blowout loss to an improving ND team.... Marquette is an average Big East team? Cincy on the road isn't exactly a gimmie game. You don't know which West Virginia team is gonna show up. Nevertheless, 'Cuse won the game. Are they supposed to blow out every team they play?
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Drummond sucks. Uconn has 4 losses in the BE. They lost to Seton Hall and RU.
Ask Herb Pope if he'd rather face Melo or Drummond?
And again, I'm talking about REAL centers. Not bullsh*t centers. How do you not see
that Melo is the reason why Syracuse is 23-1? I don't understand how that isn't obvious
to anyone who follows the game.
So, you think Melo is the sole reason 'Cuse is 23-1? LOL I've had my laugh for this early morning.
You're damn right. You're learning something. Melo is the x factor for SU. Without him, they are Marquette.
If you don't understand that I'm concerned that maybe you have blurred vision.
Let me explain in a way that you can follow. Melo opens up the floor for guys like Scoop, Waiters and Joseph. He is the reason they get wide open looks. Because you have to key on Melo, everyone else's game is elevated. Against ND, Cinci and WV SU's big men weren't big or talented enough to create that environment.
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20-0 with Fab Melo in the line up. 2-1 with a blowout loss and two very close wins against average BE teams.
You have may been watching. Try paying attention.
A blowout loss to an improving ND team.... Marquette is an average Big East team? Cincy on the road isn't exactly a gimmie game. You don't know which West Virginia team is gonna show up. Nevertheless, 'Cuse won the game. Are they supposed to blow out every team they play?
You are confused. Melo played against Marquette. In short, Melo hasn't been on the court for a loss year. To say that he isn't responsible for SU's massive jump this year is just silly. He absolutely is. If you've been watching the game since 79, you should know that a defensive center at that size in the BE is very, very rare.
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Drummond sucks. Uconn has 4 losses in the BE. They lost to Seton Hall and RU.
Ask Herb Pope if he'd rather face Melo or Drummond?
And again, I'm talking about REAL centers. Not bullsh*t centers. How do you not see
that Melo is the reason why Syracuse is 23-1? I don't understand how that isn't obvious
to anyone who follows the game.
So, you think Melo is the sole reason 'Cuse is 23-1? LOL I've had my laugh for this early morning.
You're damn right. You're learning something. Melo is the x factor for SU. Without him, they are Marquette.
If you don't understand that I'm concerned that maybe you have blurred vision.
Let me explain in a way that you can follow. Melo opens up the floor for guys like Scoop, Waiters and Joseph. He is the reason they get wide open looks. Because you have to key on Melo, everyone else's game is elevated. Against ND, Cinci and WV SU's big men weren't big or talented enough to create that environment.
The only thing I'm learning is when you argue with.... Nevermind. I'm concerned that you're nothing more than a toady.
No one has to key on Melo. You continue to reach for straws. I saw some of those games (basically, all of the ND game) and they were still getting nice looks. Get off it and let us know that you're nothing more than a toady for their program. Go root for 'em, if you think they are the best thing since sliced bread.
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20-0 with Fab Melo in the line up. 2-1 with a blowout loss and two very close wins against average BE teams.
You have may been watching. Try paying attention.
A blowout loss to an improving ND team.... Marquette is an average Big East team? Cincy on the road isn't exactly a gimmie game. You don't know which West Virginia team is gonna show up. Nevertheless, 'Cuse won the game. Are they supposed to blow out every team they play?
You are confused. Melo played against Marquette. In short, Melo hasn't been on the court for a loss year. To say that he isn't responsible for SU's massive jump this year is just silly. He absolutely is. If you've been watching the game since 79, you should know that a defensive center at that size in the BE is very, very rare.
My bad.... I didn't intend to include Marquette. No one ever said, he isn't responsible in some shape or form. You were making it to be like he was the SOLE reason.
He's a solid, defensive center. He works well in their zone. I'll give him that. But, he isn't the best COLLEGIATE center at this moment.
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He is the ONLY center. There is no one else. What has changed about that team from last year to this year? Basically, they added Melo to the starting line up, and graduated Rick Jackson. Who, to his credit was a solid 4 year player who improved every season.
What else has changed about Syracuse? Waiters is better. Scoop, Triche, Joseph and Fair are basically the same as they were. So, yes, I absolutely believe that he is the key to that team's success.
We will see this week and next how Melo stands up against GT and Uconn. So far, I distinctly remember him taking Young and Pope completely out of their games. It isn't fair to discount those performances. Like it or not, he's the most improved player in the nation.
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He is the ONLY center. There is no one else.
LOL You're full of it.
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He is the ONLY center. There is no one else.
So, you can have Melo, Drummond, Davis, or Sullinger to play center for SJU, you're taking Melo? You keep dodging this question.
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He is the ONLY center. There is no one else.
So, you can have Melo, Drummond, Davis, or Sullinger to play center for SJU, you're taking Melo? You keep dodging this question.
It's apparent that he's full of it, 212. He's manipulated the discussion (at least, he attempted) and dodged questions. LOL
I'd take Henry Sims over Melo.
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Like I said, I'd take Melo over all of them. Especially, Drummond. A guy who was on the losing end of games against Seton Hall and Rutgers. That's pathetic.
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Who the F is Henry Sims?
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Like I said, I'd take Melo over all of them. Especially, Drummond. A guy who was on the losing end of games against Seton Hall and Rutgers. That's pathetic.
So, you're now blaming Drummond for UConn's losses to Seton Hall and Rutgers, respectively? I guess this is your attempt to act like Baldi.
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I think Drummond is highly overrated. I don't know how many times I can say that. I think he sucks, and I think he's going to be a huge bust at the NBA level. Just like most of these 6'8/6'9 "centers" will be, because they usually are.
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I think Drummond is highly overrated. I don't know how many times I can say that. I think he sucks, and I think he's going to be a huge bust at the NBA level. Just like most of these 6'8/6'9 "centers" will be, because they usually are.
I also believe Drummond is a bit overhyped, but he still has time to mature. Nevertheless, that wasn't my question.
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Melo is better than Drummond. He will get his chance to prove it. Melo will have to hope that the 20-0 record his team has while he's been on the court isn't just luck.
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So, let me get this straight. Every time Cuse wins, it is SOLELY because of Melo and his 7pts and 5rebs. And, every time UCONN loses it's only because of Drummond. OK, got it.
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Anthony davis is a center. I'd take him as my anchor over any of the guys we all are arguing about... no question about it.
Melo got himself in good shape this year, as a result he has an impact on games. Not like Davis though...
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So, let me get this straight. Every time Cuse wins, it is SOLELY because of Melo and his 7pts and 5rebs. And, every time UCONN loses it's only because of Drummond. OK, got it.
IMO, he's lost any credibility he might have had from this thread alone.
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So, let me get this straight. Every time Cuse wins, it is SOLELY because of Melo and his 7pts and 5rebs. And, every time UCONN loses it's only because of Drummond. OK, got it.
IMO, he's lost any credibility he might have had from this thread alone.
Yea, we'll see.
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Anthony davis is a center. I'd take him as my anchor over any of the guys we all are arguing about... no question about it.
I'd also take Davis over any of the players we're talking about in this thread. But, I'd also take the guys I've mentioned over Melo.
Melo got himself in good shape this year, as a result he has an impact on games. Not like Davis though...
Yes, he's made an impact on several games. He couldn't wear Davis' jockstrap.
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He is the only player on that team who isn't replaceable. Everyone else is interchangeable.
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He is the only player on that team who isn't replaceable. Everyone else is interchangeable.
You continue to manipulate the discussion. ::) Your credibility is shot. LOL
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He is the only player on that team who isn't replaceable. Everyone else is interchangeable.
You continue to manipulate the discussion. ::) Your credibility is shot. LOL
Like I said, we'll see. We'll also see who is here to admit they are wrong, and who has zero accountability.
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He is the only player on that team who isn't replaceable. Everyone else is interchangeable.
You continue to manipulate the discussion. ::) Your credibility is shot. LOL
Like I said, we'll see. We'll also see who is here to admit they are wrong, and who has zero accountability.
What will we exactly see? Enlighten the board.... Myself, redstorm212 and boo stated who we thought was better than Melo when it came to the best centers in COLLEGIATE hoops. Then, you stated Melo was the SOLE reason the 'Cuse was 23-1. Shortly afterwards, you tried to blame Drummond on UConn's losses to Seton Hall and Rutgers. Not to mention, you've attempted to manipulate the disccusion as a whole to prove some shoddy point of yours.
You asked me to name one. I named several; redstorm named a few; and boo named one. What else do you want? Once again, continue to manipulate the discussion and act like a toady for the 'Cuse. Suit yourself.
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You named zero. A REAL center. I don't give a f if they play center.
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You named zero. A REAL center. I don't give a f if they play center.
LOL what does that even mean? "A REAL center. I don't give a f if they play center."
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You named zero. A REAL center. I don't give a f if they play center.
LOL what does that even mean? "A REAL center. I don't give a f if they play center."
LOL It means nothing, 212. Just more manipulation and contradicting of the discussion. I'm quickly finding out that he's silly beyond belief.
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You named zero. A REAL center. I don't give a f if they play center.
LOL what does that even mean? "A REAL center. I don't give a f if they play center."
LOL It means nothing, 212. Just more manipulation and contradicting of the discussion. I'm quickly finding out that he's silly beyond belief.
He just keeps digging himself deeper. I mean he honestly said in this thread that he'd rather SJU have Fab Melo at the 5 than Anthony Davis. That's comical.
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You named zero. A REAL center. I don't give a f if they play center.
LOL what does that even mean? "A REAL center. I don't give a f if they play center."
LOL It means nothing, 212. Just more manipulation and contradicting of the discussion. I'm quickly finding out that he's silly beyond belief.
He just keeps digging himself deeper. I mean he honestly said in this thread that he'd rather SJU have Fab Melo at the 5 than Anthony Davis. That's comical.
He knows he's dug himself in a hole, and that is why you're getting the manipulation and silly arse rebuttal from him. I'd take Anthony Davis all day long over Melo. It's a no-brainer.
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We'll see smart guys.
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We'll see smart guys.
We'll see if Melo is drafter higher, and becomes a better pro than Anthony Davis?
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Btw, I hate UK too, but Anthony Davis is just an amazing story. To grow 6 inches in one year and to have the agility and quickness at his size is incredible. Sad that Cal can just pick any kid he wants and he's almost guaranteed to get them.
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We'll see smart guys.
We'll see if Melo is drafter higher, and becomes a better pro than Anthony Davis?
Um, no. That's not what I said.
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He is the ONLY center. There is no one else. What has changed about that team from last year to this year? Basically, they added Melo to the starting line up, and graduated Rick Jackson. Who, to his credit was a solid 4 year player who improved every season.
What else has changed about Syracuse? Waiters is better. Scoop, Triche, Joseph and Fair are basically the same as they were. So, yes, I absolutely believe that he is the key to that team's success.
We will see this week and next how Melo stands up against GT and Uconn. So far, I distinctly remember him taking Young and Pope completely out of their games. It isn't fair to discount those performances. Like it or not, he's the most improved player in the nation.
There's plenty of room to agree with both of you. I believe Melo is largely responsible for their record. I also believe he is not the best center in college - largely.
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We'll learn a lot about Melo's significance when he faces Uconn, GTown & Louisville. Legit competition for him there. Last Saturday, not so much. He didn't even have to try against Gift.
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We'll learn a lot about Melo's significance when he faces Uconn, GTown & Louisville. Legit competition for him there. Last Saturday, not so much. He didn't even have to try against Gift.
No doubt.
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We'll learn a lot about Melo's significance when he faces Uconn, GTown & Louisville. Legit competition for him there. Last Saturday, not so much. He didn't even have to try against Gift.
No doubt.
So, if 'Cuse wins those games then it means Melo is the best center in the nation? Because, it seemed Drummond was the sole reason UConn lost to Seton Hall and Rutgers, respectively. LOL
Let me hear this great logic.
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Melo is the key to Syracuse. He is the most important player on a team that is 23-1.
I can't explain it any better. Either you get it, or you don't.
If you've been watching basketball for as long as you say you have you should have
more respect for defense.
That is what separates Melo from everyone else. Drummond, please. Overrated.
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Melo is the key to Syracuse. He is the most important player on a team that is 23-1.
I can't explain it any better. Either you get it, or you don't.
If you've been watching basketball for as long as you say you have you should have
more respect for defense.
That is what separates Melo from everyone else. Drummond, please. Overrated.
A couple of days ago, you stated he was the SOLE reason for their record. In essence, the 'Cuse other players didn't much matter. I never said, Melo wasn't an important cog in their record. But, do not act like for one second that his team isn't practically carrying the load. The guy has only had one double-digit rebounding game. 'Nuff said. Not to mention, you blamed Drummond for UConn's losses to Seton Hall and Rutgers. I also never mentioned Drummond when I gave you kids who are better than Melo(redstorm212 mentioned him). But, I think Drummond is on par, if not better than Melo.
You've contradicted yourself and attempted to manipulate the discussion to gain some form of advantage. Your initial argument was Melo was the best COLLEGIATE center in the nation. Myself and a few others have came up with other names who are better than him. Then, you came up with some lame arse reply about who is or isn't a center.
Give it up, dude! You're full of it.
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I'll still take Anthony Davis over Melo at the "5". Melo maybe 7 feet tall and AD may be only 6'9"-6" 10, but Davis' wingspan makes him a true 5. Better all around game , better rebounder, and better shot blocker.
I can't say Sullinger is a center. He's the definition of a power forward.
I haven't seen enough of Drummond to have an opinion.
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I'll still take Anthony Davis over Melo at the "5". Melo maybe 7 feet tall and AD may be only 6'9"-6" 10, but Davis' wingspan makes him a true 5. Better all around game , better rebounder, and better shot blocker.
I can't say Sullinger is a center. He's the definition of a power forward.
He plays center on his college team, boo. So, he's a center for now. He'll probably project as a power forward on the NBA-level, but he's currently a center.
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Well, he's( Sullinger) listed as a forward on his teams roster. davis is listed as F-C.
When Anthony Glover played center for us, he was still a forward IMO. Meaning, I wouldn't compare him to other centers, I'd compare him to other forwards.
It's all semantics anyway. I wish we had a guy like Melo on our side.
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Well, he's( Sullinger) listed as a forward on his teams roster. davis is listed as F-C.
When Anthony Glover played center for us, he was still a forward IMO. Meaning, I wouldn't compare him to other centers, I'd compare him to other forwards.
It's all semantics anyway. I wish we had a guy like Melo on our side.
Yes, it's all semantics, but he's manned the middle on many occasions for Ohio State. I wish we had Davis or Sullinger, instead. LOL ;)
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Having seen Melo as a frosh and again this year, you can see growth. but he is still a project. It is as if he is still learning. at his size to have had only 3 rebounds against us is not impressive and his averaging less than 6 a game for the year is not great. However, you can't teach 7 feet. That is something that will get him a shot in the pros. He should stay for another year and develop his footwork.
The low numbers could also be caused by the style of offense/defense he plays in their system. with a lot of 3 point attempts the rebound is not going to the person playing the center position. The size he brings to the middle of the zone is intimidating and allows the rest of the players a little more freedom in the zone as they know there is a big load sitting under the basket behind them.
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Did it occur to anyone that no one goes near the paint just because he's there?
He had 3 rebounds against us but none of them had to focus for a minute to beat us.
They've only played one top ten team, and he was key in beating them. That's when it became clear just how big of a step he's taken. And it's true, he is a project, but the things he does on d make him a huge weapon.
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Did it occur to anyone that no one goes near the paint just because he's there?
He had 3 rebounds against us but none of them had to focus for a minute to beat us.
They've only played one top ten team, and he was key in beating them. That's when it became clear just how big of a step he's taken. And it's true, he is a project, but the things he does on d make him a huge weapon.
'Cuse's long zone was key in limiting (Florida's) Young. It wasn't just Melo. Besides, Florida scored 32 of their 68 points in the paint against 'Cuse. Stop exaggerating to prove some lame point. He's a good cog in what they are doing, but he's not the sole one like you were spewing a couple of nights ago. You said, he was the best center in COLLEGE hoops, and now that you've been debunked, you're going this way and that way to deflect what you stated earlier. There are several guys at his position in college hoops that are better overall players.
Contrary to what you might believe, 'Cuse's opposition have attempted 429 FTs to their 453. In conference play, the opposition is 285-429, while 'Cuse is 316-453. In conference play (prior to Melo's absence), the oppositions FTs were 98-148, while 'Cuse were 106-148. Most people know you usually get to the line while being fouled near the basket. That isn't the only way to get to the foul line, but it's generally the quickest route there. So, I guess teams aren't going near the paint.
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Mason Plumlee over Fab Melo for collegiate centers if you want to continue the list. Mason got 17 boards against us to Melo's 3. But explain to me again, Poison, how his 3 rebounds are a sign of just how amazing he is?
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Mason Plumlee over Fab Melo for collegiate centers if you want to continue the list. Mason got 17 boards against us to Melo's 3. But explain to me again, Poison, how his 3 rebounds are a sign of just how amazing he is?
He had 3 boards in a landslide. They have a balanced scoring attack when he's in the game. Mason Plumlee? Are you self medicating? That loser just lost to Miami.
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Poison, you realize basketball is a team sport, right? Fab Melo is by no means winning games alone, and Mason Plumlee is not losing them (in fact, Duke would have at least a few more losses without him, as he is their best player).
"That loser" is a national champion. What has Fab Melo done other than, according to you, been the driving force in a 1 loss season through early February?
You are a joke. Im beginning to think you are Jim Boeheim ---- or Laurie Fine. They both seem like big whiners.
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Poison, you realize basketball is a team sport, right? Fab Melo is by no means winning games alone, and Mason Plumlee is not losing them (in fact, Duke would have at least a few more losses without him, as he is their best player).
"That loser" is a national champion. What has Fab Melo done other than, according to you, been the driving force in a 1 loss season through early February?
You are a joke. Im beginning to think you are Jim Boeheim ---- or Laurie Fine. They both seem like big whiners.
Unbelievable! He's calling Plumlee and Drummond "losers" because their respective teams lost games against the likes of Miami, Seton Hall and Rutgers, respectively. He's talking up Fab Melo like he's the SOLE reason Syracuse has only 1 loss. I would think Melo was Patrick Ewing, if I didn't know any better.
A joke is an understatement.
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Poison, you realize basketball is a team sport, right? Fab Melo is by no means winning games alone, and Mason Plumlee is not losing them (in fact, Duke would have at least a few more losses without him, as he is their best player).
"That loser" is a national champion. What has Fab Melo done other than, according to you, been the driving force in a 1 loss season through early February?
You are a joke. Im beginning to think you are Jim Boeheim ---- or Laurie Fine. They both seem like big whiners.
Mason Plumlee is a national champion? Seriously Kid. That's what you got?
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Poison, you realize basketball is a team sport, right? Fab Melo is by no means winning games alone, and Mason Plumlee is not losing them (in fact, Duke would have at least a few more losses without him, as he is their best player).
"That loser" is a national champion. What has Fab Melo done other than, according to you, been the driving force in a 1 loss season through early February?
You are a joke. Im beginning to think you are Jim Boeheim ---- or Laurie Fine. They both seem like big whiners.
Unbelievable! He's calling Plumlee and Drummond "losers" because their respective teams lost games against the likes of Miami, Seton Hall and Rutgers, respectively. He's talking up Fab Melo like he's the SOLE reason Syracuse has only 1 loss. I would think Melo was Patrick Ewing, if I didn't know any better.
A joke is an understatement.
Melo is the main reason why SU is a top ranked team this year. That is absolutely the case. If you can't see that, you don't know the first thing about college basketball. To ignore how they played without him is nice personic. It happened. Try paying attention.
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Poison, you realize basketball is a team sport, right? Fab Melo is by no means winning games alone, and Mason Plumlee is not losing them (in fact, Duke would have at least a few more losses without him, as he is their best player).
"That loser" is a national champion. What has Fab Melo done other than, according to you, been the driving force in a 1 loss season through early February?
You are a joke. Im beginning to think you are Jim Boeheim ---- or Laurie Fine. They both seem like big whiners.
Unbelievable! He's calling Plumlee and Drummond "losers" because their respective teams lost games against the likes of Miami, Seton Hall and Rutgers, respectively. He's talking up Fab Melo like he's the SOLE reason Syracuse has only 1 loss. I would think Melo was Patrick Ewing, if I didn't know any better.
A joke is an understatement.
Melo is the main reason why SU is a top ranked team this year. That is absolutely the case. If you can't see that, you don't know the first thing about college basketball. To ignore how they played without him is nice personic. It happened. Try paying attention.
First of all, don't even use the word "nice personic" or any other word that takes away from one's intelligence. Melo is part of the reason.... Not the main reason, fool!
This particular quote fits you fine: Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
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He's not the main reason? Oh really? Who is then? Since you know so much, answer it!
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He's not the main reason? Oh really? Who is then? Since you know so much, answer it!
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
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He's not the main reason? Oh really? Who is then? Since you know so much, answer it!
Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Answer the question you woman.
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Melo makes syracuse unbeatable against us. Not sure what it does against other teams but he is huge presence for them on the defensive end. As uncoordinated, clumsy, and dumb he is.
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Melo makes syracuse unbeatable against us. Not sure what it does against other teams but he is huge presence for them on the defensive end. As uncoordinated, clumsy, and dumb he is.
He is all of things, but for these homers to deny how much he changes the game is just sad. Dikembe was awkward too at first, too.
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Plumlee averages roughly 12 and 10 with a couple assists and 1.5 blocks. Melo averages 8 and 6 and 3 blocks.
If you were constructing a college team, most people would pick plumlee. And drummond. And anthony davis (everyone would pick davis). And sullinger. And zeller.
For syracuse because they are a very deep team, yes, melo might bring an "x" factor that someone like plumlee or drummond would bring. But to the vast majority of teams, plumlee and drummond would help more.
If you even attempt to argue anthony davis might not be as helpful, you are out of your mind.
And you call someone a loser bc their team is 19-4, yet disregard the fact they have won a national title? What makes someone a loser, just their most recent loss? My definition of a loser is a st johns fan who bootylicks a rival school all day every day in as many threads as possible. Do you have an alert set up that emails you any time cuse is discussed on this board? Are you a syracuse booster? Did jim boeheim smile at you once? Or did Bernie?
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Plumlee averages roughly 12 and 10 with a couple assists and 1.5 blocks. Melo averages 8 and 6 and 3 blocks.
If you were constructing a college team, most people would pick plumlee. And drummond. And anthony davis (everyone would pick davis). And sullinger. And zeller.
For syracuse because they are a very deep team, yes, melo might bring an "x" factor that someone like plumlee or drummond would bring. But to the vast majority of teams, plumlee and drummond would help more.
If you even attempt to argue anthony davis might not be as helpful, you are out of your mind.
And you call someone a loser bc their team is 19-4, yet disregard the fact they have won a national title? What makes someone a loser, just their most recent loss? My definition of a loser is a st johns fan who bootylicks a rival school all day every day in as many threads as possible. Do you have an alert set up that emails you any time cuse is discussed on this board? Are you a syracuse booster? Did jim boeheim smile at you once? Or did Bernie?
Kid.... Remember this quote: Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
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If I'm building a college team, and I'm starting with the center position, I'd take a center.
Melo is my choice. If you watched SU play without Melo you'd see that he's a lot more than a contributor.
All of you nerds are too caught up in stats. Melo controls the paint. No one else on that team plays interior defense.
Games against ND, Cinci and WV proved that, but hey, forget the evidence that I just provided, I'm an idiot. Even when I'm right.
Kid, I don't like your Duke balls sucking any more than you like me giving SU credit for developing talent. If you don't like it, you can start by cutting the crap yourself before you call me out. And yes, again, Plumlee is highly overrated. A national champion. Please. So was the equipment manager.
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'Cuse would be even better with Anthony Davis at center instead of Melo. That's not really debatable. Anyone who's watched college ball this year will tell you that. Davis can do everything Melo can...but a lot better. I would even argue the same for Drummond. They only thing Melo does better than Sullinger, Zeller and Plumlee is block shots.
Your argument might make sense if you were trying to argue who's the best shotblocking center (although Davis is better than Melo there as well), but he's not even close to better overall than any of the guys mentioned.
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'Cuse would be even better with Anthony Davis at center instead of Melo. That's not really debatable. Anyone who's watched college ball this year will tell you that. Davis can do everything Melo can...but a lot better. I would even argue the same for Drummond. They only thing Melo does better than Sullinger, Zeller and Plumlee is block shots.
Your argument might make sense if you were trying to argue who's the best shotblocking center (although Davis is better than Melo there as well), but he's not even close to better overall than any of the guys mentioned.
Cuse would be even better than the 20-0 they are now with Melo? Really? How exactly can you better than undefeated?
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If I'm building a college team, and I'm starting with the center position, I'd take a center.
Melo is my choice. If you watched SU play without Melo you'd see that he's a lot more than a contributor.
All of you nerds are too caught up in stats. Melo controls the paint. No one else on that team plays interior defense.
Games against ND, Cinci and WV proved that, but hey, forget the evidence that I just provided, I'm an idiot. Even when I'm right.
Kid, I don't like your Duke balls sucking any more than you like me giving SU credit for developing talent. If you don't like it, you can start by cutting the crap yourself before you call me out. And yes, again, Plumlee is highly overrated. A national champion. Please. So was the equipment manager.
I graduated from Duke University which is why I also root for them. Everyone knows that, and I think it's a pretty legit reason. And I definitely do not sweat the Duke team like you sweat Syracuse. Never have. What's your excuse with Syracuse?
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'Cuse would be even better with Anthony Davis at center instead of Melo. That's not really debatable. Anyone who's watched college ball this year will tell you that. Davis can do everything Melo can...but a lot better. I would even argue the same for Drummond. They only thing Melo does better than Sullinger, Zeller and Plumlee is block shots.
Your argument might make sense if you were trying to argue who's the best shotblocking center (although Davis is better than Melo there as well), but he's not even close to better overall than any of the guys mentioned.
Cuse would be even better than the 20-0 they are now with Melo? Really? How exactly can you better than undefeated?
So, according to you Murray St. just as good as Syracuse. Are you really so close minded that you can't see that although a team is undefeated there is still room too get better? Which would be the case if 'Cuse had Davis instead of Melo.
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If I'm building a college team, and I'm starting with the center position, I'd take a center.
Melo is my choice. If you watched SU play without Melo you'd see that he's a lot more than a contributor.
All of you nerds are too caught up in stats. Melo controls the paint. No one else on that team plays interior defense.
Games against ND, Cinci and WV proved that, but hey, forget the evidence that I just provided, I'm an idiot. Even when I'm right.
Kid, I don't like your Duke balls sucking any more than you like me giving SU credit for developing talent. If you don't like it, you can start by cutting the crap yourself before you call me out. And yes, again, Plumlee is highly overrated. A national champion. Please. So was the equipment manager.
I graduated from Duke University which is why I also root for them. Everyone knows that, and I think it's a pretty legit reason. And I definitely do not sweat the Duke team like you sweat Syracuse. Never have. What's your excuse with Syracuse?
My excuse is that after watching them trounce us for two decades, I've come to respect them. Thank God they're leaving. I've had enough of being their punching bag.
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'Cuse would be even better with Anthony Davis at center instead of Melo. That's not really debatable. Anyone who's watched college ball this year will tell you that. Davis can do everything Melo can...but a lot better. I would even argue the same for Drummond. They only thing Melo does better than Sullinger, Zeller and Plumlee is block shots.
Your argument might make sense if you were trying to argue who's the best shotblocking center (although Davis is better than Melo there as well), but he's not even close to better overall than any of the guys mentioned.
Cuse would be even better than the 20-0 they are now with Melo? Really? How exactly can you better than undefeated?
So, according to you Murray St. just as good as Syracuse. Are you really so close minded that you can't see that although a team is undefeated there is still room too get better? Which would be the case if 'Cuse had Davis instead of Melo.
Did Murray State beat Florida? Did they beat anyone?
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'Cuse would be even better with Anthony Davis at center instead of Melo. That's not really debatable. Anyone who's watched college ball this year will tell you that. Davis can do everything Melo can...but a lot better. I would even argue the same for Drummond. They only thing Melo does better than Sullinger, Zeller and Plumlee is block shots.
Your argument might make sense if you were trying to argue who's the best shotblocking center (although Davis is better than Melo there as well), but he's not even close to better overall than any of the guys mentioned.
Cuse would be even better than the 20-0 they are now with Melo? Really? How exactly can you better than undefeated?
So, according to you Murray St. just as good as Syracuse. Are you really so close minded that you can't see that although a team is undefeated there is still room too get better? Which would be the case if 'Cuse had Davis instead of Melo.
Did Murray State beat Florida? Did they beat anyone?
Do you just change your argument every time someone points out the flaws in what you're saying? You've done it many times in this thread alone.
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'Cuse would be even better with Anthony Davis at center instead of Melo. That's not really debatable. Anyone who's watched college ball this year will tell you that. Davis can do everything Melo can...but a lot better. I would even argue the same for Drummond. They only thing Melo does better than Sullinger, Zeller and Plumlee is block shots.
Your argument might make sense if you were trying to argue who's the best shotblocking center (although Davis is better than Melo there as well), but he's not even close to better overall than any of the guys mentioned.
Cuse would be even better than the 20-0 they are now with Melo? Really? How exactly can you better than undefeated?
So, according to you Murray St. just as good as Syracuse. Are you really so close minded that you can't see that although a team is undefeated there is still room too get better? Which would be the case if 'Cuse had Davis instead of Melo.
Did Murray State beat Florida? Did they beat anyone?
Do you just change your argument every time someone points out the flaws in what you're saying? You've done it many times in this thread alone.
When I make a great point, you ignore it. Syracuse is just another team without him. I provide evidence, you ignore it. Call me names, and provide an argument that makes zero sense. Well done. Did you watch him on Saturday? Did you see how friggan' big that guy is? It wasn't even fair having him on the court.
I said he was the best center in the country, and I said that in large part due to his performance, and in large part due the fact that he's a REAL center. Calling Sullinger and Drummond centers just because they play center is no different than calling Gift or Harkless a center because they've played center this year. They're NOT centers.
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Drummond doing his thing tonight. Sucking. But hey, what's hard evidence really worth?
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I'm really sorry that I started this argument with my "Melo sucks" post. 100 posts later, someone is still trying to argue that Melo is the best big man in college basketball. Smh!
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I'm really sorry that I started this argument with my "Melo sucks" post. 100 posts later, someone is still trying to argue that Melo is the best big man in college basketball. Smh!
It's not Melo. Whenever he plays Syracuse sucks. Andre Drummond is the best center.
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He is the ONLY center. There is no one else.
So, you can have Melo, Drummond, Davis, or Sullinger to play center for SJU, you're taking Melo? You keep dodging this
question.
It's apparent that he's full of it, 212. He's manipulated the discussion (at least, he attempted) and dodged questions. LOL
I'd take Henry Sims over Melo.
Of course you would. And you'd also take his 1-12 from the floor last night.
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All I can say is I am sure glad we don't have 7' center Fab Melo protecting our basket against G'town on Sunday like the cuse had last night when he had 6 blocked shots (11 pts 7 rebs). Besides we have GG who is poised to pile up another rebound against G'town like the one he posted against Cincy. Yeah Melo sucks geniuses.
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All I can say is I am sure glad we don't have 7' center Fab Melo protecting our basket against G'town on Sunday like the cuse had last night when he had 6 blocked shots (11 pts 7 rebs). Besides we have GG who is poised to pile up another rebound against G'town like the one he posted against Cincy. Yeah Melo sucks geniuses.
There's a difference between sucking and not being the best center in the country.
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All I can say is I am sure glad we don't have 7' center Fab Melo protecting our basket against G'town on Sunday like the cuse had last night when he had 6 blocked shots (11 pts 7 rebs). Besides we have GG who is poised to pile up another rebound against G'town like the one he posted against Cincy. Yeah Melo sucks geniuses.
There's a difference between sucking and not being the best center in the country.
Poster after Poison's positive post said he sucked PAL!
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All I can say is I am sure glad we don't have 7' center Fab Melo protecting our basket against G'town on Sunday like the cuse had last night when he had 6 blocked shots (11 pts 7 rebs). Besides we have GG who is poised to pile up another rebound against G'town like the one he posted against Cincy. Yeah Melo sucks geniuses.
There's a difference between sucking and not being the best center in the country.
Poster after Poison's positive post said he sucked PAL!
Well, you said "geniuses," so assumed you were referencing me as well. Sorry.
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All I can say is I am sure glad we don't have 7' center Fab Melo protecting our basket against G'town on Sunday like the cuse had last night when he had 6 blocked shots (11 pts 7 rebs). Besides we have GG who is poised to pile up another rebound against G'town like the one he posted against Cincy. Yeah Melo sucks geniuses.
There's a difference between sucking and not being the best center in the country.
Poster after Poison's positive post said he sucked PAL!
Well, you said "geniuses," so assumed you were referencing me as well. Sorry.
LOL 212. Sorry, just frustrated over the way things have been going in Redmen land.
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All I can say is I am sure glad we don't have 7' center Fab Melo protecting our basket against G'town on Sunday like the cuse had last night when he had 6 blocked shots (11 pts 7 rebs). Besides we have GG who is poised to pile up another rebound against G'town like the one he posted against Cincy. Yeah Melo sucks geniuses.
There's a difference between sucking and not being the best center in the country.
Poster after Poison's positive post said he sucked PAL!
Well, you said "geniuses," so assumed you were referencing me as well. Sorry.
LOL 212. Sorry, just frustrated over the way things have been going in Redmen land.
It's all good. And, you're right, these last few days have been pretty depressing.