6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: redmen4life on March 07, 2013, 01:56:44 PM
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putting the fight aside for a moment, i really like how Dom has developed this year. everything from his free throws, jumper, and even dribbling skills have improved as the season progressed. he's going to be a special 4 year player for us.
with or without harrison next season, he's a starter for us.
Branch
DLo (or Greene)
Dom
JKS
Sanchez
PS: He'll also be named Captain next year (IMO)
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I agree with this, and don't think that the fight should really be taken into consideration that heavily. He is a 19 year old kid, and in the heat of a game, on the road, emotions can take over. I know when I was 19 I did a lot of things I would look down on today. I think that is the case for most kids.
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Dom will be a great senior.
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Dom is my favorite player. He has improved the most from last year. He is our glue guy and can do a lot of things.He got 12 rebounds last game . Of course I could have done wo the fight. Emotions are taking over, but these kids have to learn no good can come from fighting, the only thing that comes is a suspention and bad press,not worth it.
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Dom will be a great senior.
Totally agree. Probably a pretty good junior too.
Can he carry the team? Not sure about that. But he took a big step forward this season. Much more so than the other sophomores.. Garrett, Dangelo, or obviously Phil.
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Progress would be punching a Duke player.
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
I think your right on Moose.
IMO Pointer was a little overrated coming out of HS due to his athleticism and size. I'm sure he was able to dominate HS competition just by those two skills alone. We have seen how he plays against the lower tiered BE schools.
If I'm remembering correctly wasn't he in the 60 range before the final rankings came out? I think that's more where he should have stayed.
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Next two years, Lavor Postell-like game/stats at minimum...if he puts on 10 lbs of man muscles and improves his shooting he has Victor Oladipo upside.
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
I wonder, on average, how many top 50 kids (in HS) a year end up playing in the NBA?
What is the definition of special? I would say that Obekpa is special, but Dom is a better all around basketball player. Tough question to answer.
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
I think your right on Moose.
IMO Pointer was a little overrated coming out of HS due to his athleticism and size. I'm sure he was able to dominate HS competition just by those two skills alone. We have seen how he plays against the lower tiered BE schools.
If I'm remembering correctly wasn't he in the 60 range before the final rankings came out? I think that's more where he should have stayed.
Agree on being a little overrated, but Postel progression IMO is a fair comparison.
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Overall progress-good but he needs work on his jab.
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
No...ratings don't measure a kids level of development. Some max out at a early age. Those are the ones who are labeled as "busts" in college. Some develop slower, maybe they started playing ball late, or just genetics, muscle development wasn't there in High School and were "sleepers". Of all the players' Lavin brought in who were highly rated, I felt Garrett was the one with least upside. He's very athletic, but he's a baseball player, and that will have a huge impact on his development, or lack of. That being said, I think Dom is playing up to his ranking, and believe he will get better.
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i'm going to go out on a limb and say Dom will be our MVP next season.
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dom is a special player. he plays his heart out. sir dom just needs to put that emotion in the correct way.
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Pointer is an athlete who happens to play basketball, if hes the mvp next season, we are in the CBI. Again
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Dom will be about the same player next year, with a little more confidence. I don't think his handle is going to get light years better or that his jumper will be lights out. With that said, I like Dom's game in that he is a hustle guy, and just needs to be more intelligent about when he decides to attack or make the high risk pass. I would think that with the offense not centered around him, that he could just pick and choose his spots. Sometimes that has worked, and sometimes it has been brick city. I don't think his offense will ever be more than just average, but I hope that I am wrong.
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Personally I'm impressed how much Dom improved from Fresh to Soph. Every part of his game. He even looks semi competent shooting the open three now. His ball handling has also improved. If he stays on this trajectory he will be an All BE player senior year.
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Progress would be punching a Duke player.
Ha!
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Progress would be punching a Duke player.
If we are in the bottom 5th now according to Lenn's 'friend' punching a Duke player would plummet us even further.
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Pointer is an athlete who happens to play basketball, if hes the mvp next season, we are in the CBI. Again
He's is the epitome of a roll player. He has the potential to be a great one though.
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Pointer is an athlete who happens to play basketball, if hes the mvp next season, we are in the CBI. Again
no. he's going to be our MVP b/c he's our most well rounded player (i think). he's our glue and hustle guy too. JKS will get his points, obekpa will get his blocks, sanchez will get who knows what, harrison will chuck 3's, and greene will run around in circles.
pointer has the best balance on the team.
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pointer has the best balance on the team.
The most well-rounded player sat on the bench all season.
And I aint talkin bout Hooooooper.
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pointer has the best balance on the team.
The most well-rounded player sat on the bench all season.
And I aint talkin bout Hooooooper.
Yessir! Primo
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Pointer is an athlete who happens to play basketball, if hes the mvp next season, we are in the CBI. Again
He's is the epitome of a roll player. He has the potential to be a great one though.
Nothing wrong with a role player. Been posting here since his high school senior year, I think he has the potential to be a Michael Cooper-level player, only bigger. And that ain't bad. Coop, as a college senior was a 16pt, 5-1/2 rebound guy for New Mexico.
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Crgreen, we need more role players
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Crgreen, we need more role players
Disagree.
We have too many.
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Whose our rebounder/hustler type?
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
I think Dom was overrated at top 50. He jumped late based on good play late in the season. Prior, Dom was top 100 I think somewhere in the 80's or 90's. He's only a soph now and is a do-it-all player. Besides scoring he does about everything else. What more do we want out of a soph?
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
I think Dom was overrated at top 50. He jumped late based on good play late in the season. Prior, Dom was top 100 I think somewhere in the 80's or 90's. He's only a soph now and is a do-it-all player. Besides scoring he does about everything else. What more do we want out of a soph?
Some had him in the late 20's no? Telep? Arguably the best evaluator out there.
I know you think I'm being negative and argumentative but for a player that highly rated that isn't a big man I'd like a consistent jumper.
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
I think Dom was overrated at top 50. He jumped late based on good play late in the season. Prior, Dom was top 100 I think somewhere in the 80's or 90's. He's only a soph now and is a do-it-all player. Besides scoring he does about everything else. What more do we want out of a soph?
Some had him in the late 20's no? Telep? Arguably the best evaluator out there.
I know you think I'm being negative and argumentative but for a player that highly rated that isn't a big man I'd like a consistent jumper.
If he continues to improve like he has from year 1 to year 2, I think a consistent jumper isn't unreasonable to expect. Now if you think he should already have it by now, then I don't know what to tell you.
Maybe your expectations were too high or the experts were misleading or flat out wrong. Probably the latter.
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
I think Dom was overrated at top 50. He jumped late based on good play late in the season. Prior, Dom was top 100 I think somewhere in the 80's or 90's. He's only a soph now and is a do-it-all player. Besides scoring he does about everything else. What more do we want out of a soph?
Some had him in the late 20's no? Telep? Arguably the best evaluator out there.
I know you think I'm being negative and argumentative but for a player that highly rated that isn't a big man I'd like a consistent jumper.
Looks like his RSCI was #35
Telep had him #24
http://statsheet.com/bhsb/players/dominique-pointer (http://statsheet.com/bhsb/players/dominique-pointer)
And you can compare the top 100 here:
http://statsheet.com/bhsb/recruiting_class/2011 (http://statsheet.com/bhsb/recruiting_class/2011)
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Just for comparison purposes. Rivals player in front of Dom was LaQuentin Ross. Behind him was Alex Murphy. I don't think this helps or hurts either point since Dom plays 10 more mpg. Strong shooting % but we know its mostly not jumpers. Food for thought. I do know Ross can shoot though from seeing him. Murphy could be disappointing but I thought he moved up from 12 class to 11. Not sure if it was his natural class or just jumping early.
Ross sat out part of last year ala Amir. Below are SOPH numbers.
16.7 mpg
7.4 ppg
2.9 rpg
.4 apg
47% from field
35% from 3
77% from line
Murphy sat out all last year.
7.0 mpg
2.4 ppg
1.1 rpg
0 apg
27-54 from field (50%)
5-23 from 3 (22%)
5-12 from FT (42%)
Dom-
26.1 mpg
6.7 ppg
5.5 rpg
2.7 apg (most impressive IMO)
50% from the field
30% from 3
67% from line
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His numbers are impressive. I hope he takes a lot more shots.
Also, he needs to dominate on the glass. His prior two games were a good sign - I think he had 14 and 12.
There is a good reason why ND hated him. He's a hell of a player.
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Last year he was great on D, but on offensive liabiliy. He has really turned his offensive game around and I do not see why he cant continue to do so.
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
No...ratings don't measure a kids level of development. Some max out at a early age. Those are the ones who are labeled as "busts" in college. Some develop slower, maybe they started playing ball late, or just genetics, muscle development wasn't there in High School and were "sleepers". Of all the players' Lavin brought in who were highly rated, I felt Garrett was the one with least upside. He's very athletic, but he's a baseball player, and that will have a huge impact on his development, or lack of. That being said, I think Dom is playing up to his ranking, and believe he will get better.
Think Dom is one of those kids whose trajectory was a bit flatter during year 1 but is definitely on the rise in most aspects...and while there is no excuse for throwing a punch, he appears to be a good kid...
And, by the way, Len Robbins is the quintessential opportunist -- not privy to anything that went on between Dom and Biedscheid or Knight, nor the history that led to Garrett's confrontation with GT -- but he is absolute in his position that these issues were all on the SJ player...he is always wrong but never in doubt
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
I think Dom was overrated at top 50. He jumped late based on good play late in the season. Prior, Dom was top 100 I think somewhere in the 80's or 90's. He's only a soph now and is a do-it-all player. Besides scoring he does about everything else. What more do we want out of a soph?
Some had him in the late 20's no? Telep? Arguably the best evaluator out there.
I know you think I'm being negative and argumentative but for a player that highly rated that isn't a big man I'd like a consistent jumper.
If he continues to improve like he has from year 1 to year 2, I think a consistent jumper isn't unreasonable to expect. Now if you think he should already have it by now, then I don't know what to tell you.
Maybe your expectations were too high or the experts were misleading or flat out wrong. Probably the latter.
Actually think there is a better chance of his outside shooting % improving than Greene's...
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Just for comparison purposes. Rivals player in front of Dom was LaQuentin Ross. Behind him was Alex Murphy. I don't think this helps or hurts either point since Dom plays 10 more mpg. Strong shooting % but we know its mostly not jumpers. Food for thought. I do know Ross can shoot though from seeing him. Murphy could be disappointing but I thought he moved up from 12 class to 11. Not sure if it was his natural class or just jumping early.
Ross sat out part of last year ala Amir. Below are SOPH numbers.
16.7 mpg
7.4 ppg
2.9 rpg
.4 apg
47% from field
35% from 3
77% from line
Murphy sat out all last year.
7.0 mpg
2.4 ppg
1.1 rpg
0 apg
27-54 from field (50%)
5-23 from 3 (22%)
5-12 from FT (42%)
Dom-
26.1 mpg
6.7 ppg
5.5 rpg
2.7 apg (most impressive IMO)
50% from the field
30% from 3
67% from line
Taking that farther - and I'm not arguing Dom is "great" - just that as a top 50, not really overrated. Others ahead of him in the consensus ratings included Josiah Turner and Nick Johnson of Arizona (I'd take Dom in a heartbeat over either - Turner's essentially of of basketball right now). Levi Randolph of 'Bama. Michael Gbinije at Duke (already "moving on" after a 5 min a game frosh year). And those guys were all "top THIRTY". Top 50 WINGS included Nick Faust of Maryland. Sam Thompson of Ohio State. Ky Madden is a 4pt scorer at Arkansas this year. Dai-Jon Parker at Vandy. Dorian Finney-Smith at VT.
Given the two year production/performace of all of the above, I don't see in any way Sir Dom's position was overrated.
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Just for comparison purposes. Rivals player in front of Dom was LaQuentin Ross. Behind him was Alex Murphy. I don't think this helps or hurts either point since Dom plays 10 more mpg. Strong shooting % but we know its mostly not jumpers. Food for thought. I do know Ross can shoot though from seeing him. Murphy could be disappointing but I thought he moved up from 12 class to 11. Not sure if it was his natural class or just jumping early.
Ross sat out part of last year ala Amir. Below are SOPH numbers.
16.7 mpg
7.4 ppg
2.9 rpg
.4 apg
47% from field
35% from 3
77% from line
Murphy sat out all last year.
7.0 mpg
2.4 ppg
1.1 rpg
0 apg
27-54 from field (50%)
5-23 from 3 (22%)
5-12 from FT (42%)
Dom-
26.1 mpg
6.7 ppg
5.5 rpg
2.7 apg (most impressive IMO)
50% from the field
30% from 3
67% from line
Taking that farther - and I'm not arguing Dom is "great" - just that as a top 50, not really overrated. Others ahead of him in the consensus ratings included Josiah Turner and Nick Johnson of Arizona (I'd take Dom in a heartbeat over either - Turner's essentially of of basketball right now). Levi Randolph of 'Bama. Michael Gbinije at Duke (already "moving on" after a 5 min a game frosh year). And those guys were all "top THIRTY". Top 50 WINGS included Nick Faust of Maryland. Sam Thompson of Ohio State. Ky Madden is a 4pt scorer at Arkansas this year. Dai-Jon Parker at Vandy. Dorian Finney-Smith at VT.
Given the two year production/performace of all of the above, I don't see in any way Sir Dom's position was overrated.
CR are you not a fan of nick Johnson's game? I like Dom a lot but I think I would choose nick.
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Could imagine Nick and D-lo in the same backcourt? Haha... the old men at the other place would have already had meltdowns of epic proportions.
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Could imagine Nick and D-lo in the same backcourt? Haha... the old men at the other place would have already had meltdowns of epic proportions.
Don't see what the problem would be. He's not exactly a chuck. Seems to be doing fine alongside mark Lyons.
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Just for comparison purposes. Rivals player in front of Dom was LaQuentin Ross. Behind him was Alex Murphy. I don't think this helps or hurts either point since Dom plays 10 more mpg. Strong shooting % but we know its mostly not jumpers. Food for thought. I do know Ross can shoot though from seeing him. Murphy could be disappointing but I thought he moved up from 12 class to 11. Not sure if it was his natural class or just jumping early.
Ross sat out part of last year ala Amir. Below are SOPH numbers.
16.7 mpg
7.4 ppg
2.9 rpg
.4 apg
47% from field
35% from 3
77% from line
Murphy sat out all last year.
7.0 mpg
2.4 ppg
1.1 rpg
0 apg
27-54 from field (50%)
5-23 from 3 (22%)
5-12 from FT (42%)
Dom-
26.1 mpg
6.7 ppg
5.5 rpg
2.7 apg (most impressive IMO)
50% from the field
30% from 3
67% from line
Taking that farther - and I'm not arguing Dom is "great" - just that as a top 50, not really overrated. Others ahead of him in the consensus ratings included Josiah Turner and Nick Johnson of Arizona (I'd take Dom in a heartbeat over either - Turner's essentially of of basketball right now). Levi Randolph of 'Bama. Michael Gbinije at Duke (already "moving on" after a 5 min a game frosh year). And those guys were all "top THIRTY". Top 50 WINGS included Nick Faust of Maryland. Sam Thompson of Ohio State. Ky Madden is a 4pt scorer at Arkansas this year. Dai-Jon Parker at Vandy. Dorian Finney-Smith at VT.
Given the two year production/performace of all of the above, I don't see in any way Sir Dom's position was overrated.
CR are you not a fan of nick Johnson's game? I like Dom a lot but I think I would choose nick.
Been following Nick since he was a frosh and Soph, playingh 2nd fiddle to BYU's PG Matt Carlino in high school. He's a athletic kid (not quite the freak his dad was) with an inconsistent shot, and the basketball IQ and defensive instincts of a doorknob. IF he was half the player Dom is, Arizona would have run away and hidden from the rest of the Pac 12 this year. Zona with Nick can't stop Shabazz, Allan Crabbe or Spencer Dinwiddie. Zona with Dom likely does.
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Just for comparison purposes. Rivals player in front of Dom was LaQuentin Ross. Behind him was Alex Murphy. I don't think this helps or hurts either point since Dom plays 10 more mpg. Strong shooting % but we know its mostly not jumpers. Food for thought. I do know Ross can shoot though from seeing him. Murphy could be disappointing but I thought he moved up from 12 class to 11. Not sure if it was his natural class or just jumping early.
Ross sat out part of last year ala Amir. Below are SOPH numbers.
16.7 mpg
7.4 ppg
2.9 rpg
.4 apg
47% from field
35% from 3
77% from line
Murphy sat out all last year.
7.0 mpg
2.4 ppg
1.1 rpg
0 apg
27-54 from field (50%)
5-23 from 3 (22%)
5-12 from FT (42%)
Dom-
26.1 mpg
6.7 ppg
5.5 rpg
2.7 apg (most impressive IMO)
50% from the field
30% from 3
67% from line
Taking that farther - and I'm not arguing Dom is "great" - just that as a top 50, not really overrated. Others ahead of him in the consensus ratings included Josiah Turner and Nick Johnson of Arizona (I'd take Dom in a heartbeat over either - Turner's essentially of of basketball right now). Levi Randolph of 'Bama. Michael Gbinije at Duke (already "moving on" after a 5 min a game frosh year). And those guys were all "top THIRTY". Top 50 WINGS included Nick Faust of Maryland. Sam Thompson of Ohio State. Ky Madden is a 4pt scorer at Arkansas this year. Dai-Jon Parker at Vandy. Dorian Finney-Smith at VT.
Given the two year production/performace of all of the above, I don't see in any way Sir Dom's position was overrated.
CR are you not a fan of nick Johnson's game? I like Dom a lot but I think I would choose nick.
Been following Nick since he was a frosh and Soph, playingh 2nd fiddle to BYU's PG Matt Carlino in high school. He's a athletic kid (not quite the freak his dad was) with an inconsistent shot, and the basketball IQ and defensive instincts of a doorknob. IF he was half the player Dom is, Arizona would have run away and hidden from the rest of the Pac 12 this year. Zona with Nick can't stop Shabazz, Allan Crabbe or Spencer Dinwiddie. Zona with Dom likely does.
Respect your opinion CR but will just have to disagree with you. Think your underrating his athleticism as well, kid is a freak.
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Could imagine Nick and D-lo in the same backcourt? Haha... the old men at the other place would have already had meltdowns of epic proportions.
hahaha
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Thanks CR for pulling out more examples. I didn't have the time so just pulled the one above and below Dom. There will be tons of examples and lots of factors to consider. Dom is getting major minutes. Maybe he puts out same output in less and it looks better. Who knows.
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Just for comparison purposes. Rivals player in front of Dom was LaQuentin Ross. Behind him was Alex Murphy. I don't think this helps or hurts either point since Dom plays 10 more mpg. Strong shooting % but we know its mostly not jumpers. Food for thought. I do know Ross can shoot though from seeing him. Murphy could be disappointing but I thought he moved up from 12 class to 11. Not sure if it was his natural class or just jumping early.
Ross sat out part of last year ala Amir. Below are SOPH numbers.
16.7 mpg
7.4 ppg
2.9 rpg
.4 apg
47% from field
35% from 3
77% from line
Murphy sat out all last year.
7.0 mpg
2.4 ppg
1.1 rpg
0 apg
27-54 from field (50%)
5-23 from 3 (22%)
5-12 from FT (42%)
Dom-
26.1 mpg
6.7 ppg
5.5 rpg
2.7 apg (most impressive IMO)
50% from the field
30% from 3
67% from line
Taking that farther - and I'm not arguing Dom is "great" - just that as a top 50, not really overrated. Others ahead of him in the consensus ratings included Josiah Turner and Nick Johnson of Arizona (I'd take Dom in a heartbeat over either - Turner's essentially of of basketball right now). Levi Randolph of 'Bama. Michael Gbinije at Duke (already "moving on" after a 5 min a game frosh year). And those guys were all "top THIRTY". Top 50 WINGS included Nick Faust of Maryland. Sam Thompson of Ohio State. Ky Madden is a 4pt scorer at Arkansas this year. Dai-Jon Parker at Vandy. Dorian Finney-Smith at VT.
Given the two year production/performace of all of the above, I don't see in any way Sir Dom's position was overrated.
CR are you not a fan of nick Johnson's game? I like Dom a lot but I think I would choose nick.
Been following Nick since he was a frosh and Soph, playingh 2nd fiddle to BYU's PG Matt Carlino in high school. He's a athletic kid (not quite the freak his dad was) with an inconsistent shot, and the basketball IQ and defensive instincts of a doorknob. IF he was half the player Dom is, Arizona would have run away and hidden from the rest of the Pac 12 this year. Zona with Nick can't stop Shabazz, Allan Crabbe or Spencer Dinwiddie. Zona with Dom likely does.
Respect your opinion CR but will just have to disagree with you. Think your underrating his athleticism as well, kid is a freak.
Agree on his being athletic. By your comment (on my comment) I can only assume you never saw Joey Johnson. Kid's very athletic, but not close to his dad.
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Just for comparison purposes. Rivals player in front of Dom was LaQuentin Ross. Behind him was Alex Murphy. I don't think this helps or hurts either point since Dom plays 10 more mpg. Strong shooting % but we know its mostly not jumpers. Food for thought. I do know Ross can shoot though from seeing him. Murphy could be disappointing but I thought he moved up from 12 class to 11. Not sure if it was his natural class or just jumping early.
Ross sat out part of last year ala Amir. Below are SOPH numbers.
16.7 mpg
7.4 ppg
2.9 rpg
.4 apg
47% from field
35% from 3
77% from line
Murphy sat out all last year.
7.0 mpg
2.4 ppg
1.1 rpg
0 apg
27-54 from field (50%)
5-23 from 3 (22%)
5-12 from FT (42%)
Dom-
26.1 mpg
6.7 ppg
5.5 rpg
2.7 apg (most impressive IMO)
50% from the field
30% from 3
67% from line
Taking that farther - and I'm not arguing Dom is "great" - just that as a top 50, not really overrated. Others ahead of him in the consensus ratings included Josiah Turner and Nick Johnson of Arizona (I'd take Dom in a heartbeat over either - Turner's essentially of of basketball right now). Levi Randolph of 'Bama. Michael Gbinije at Duke (already "moving on" after a 5 min a game frosh year). And those guys were all "top THIRTY". Top 50 WINGS included Nick Faust of Maryland. Sam Thompson of Ohio State. Ky Madden is a 4pt scorer at Arkansas this year. Dai-Jon Parker at Vandy. Dorian Finney-Smith at VT.
Given the two year production/performace of all of the above, I don't see in any way Sir Dom's position was overrated.
CR are you not a fan of nick Johnson's game? I like Dom a lot but I think I would choose nick.
Been following Nick since he was a frosh and Soph, playingh 2nd fiddle to BYU's PG Matt Carlino in high school. He's a athletic kid (not quite the freak his dad was) with an inconsistent shot, and the basketball IQ and defensive instincts of a doorknob. IF he was half the player Dom is, Arizona would have run away and hidden from the rest of the Pac 12 this year. Zona with Nick can't stop Shabazz, Allan Crabbe or Spencer Dinwiddie. Zona with Dom likely does.
Respect your opinion CR but will just have to disagree with you. Think your underrating his athleticism as well, kid is a freak.
Agree on his being athletic. By your comment (on my comment) I can only assume you never saw Joey Johnson. Kid's very athletic, but not close to his dad.
That assumption would be correct. Must have been some athlete.
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That assumption would be correct. Must have been some athlete.
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Joey Johnson had a confirmed 52 inch vertical as a senior at Arizona State. For you oldtimers, Gus Johnson (no relation to Joey or Nick), one of the early NBA high risers, while in college took a dare in a little bar in Moscow Idaho (Corner Bar - it's still there, I think) - from a standing start, jump and touch a beam above the floor. He did. It was measured at 11'6". That was back in 1963. Owner hammerd a nail into the spot, and proclaimed free drinks for the house if anyone could duplicate the jump. They painted a yellow 40 inch circle beneath the beam. Had to jump with both feet inside the circle. There were no free drinks for 23 years (and that included almost every Pac 8 conference player from 1963 thru 1986 - reportedly Bill Walton came closest) - till Joey showed up in Moscow, traveling thru with his College Of Sourthern Idaho JC team. He not only touched the nail, he bent the sucker almost flat. :)
By the way, Nick is 6'4 - same size as his hall of fame Uncle Dennis Johnson. Joey was only listed at 6'3 (and was probably only 6'2). If Nick had inherited his DAD's hops and his uncle's hoops IQ and defensive instincts - now THAT woulda been a scary combination!
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He's not as good of a shooter, but Dom reminds me a lot of D.J. Kennedy. Does a lot of the little things on the court.
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He's not as good of a shooter, but Dom reminds me a lot of D.J. Kennedy. Does a lot of the little things on the court.
They both contribute in a lot of ways but DJ was so much more under control. Something a lot of our guys need to work on.
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He's not as good of a shooter, but Dom reminds me a lot of D.J. Kennedy. Does a lot of the little things on the court.
They both contribute in a lot of ways but DJ was so much more under control. Something a lot of our guys need to work on.
I think Dom is a bit taller, and definitely stronger and more athletic. no/yes? However DJ was much more refined. With a lot of hard work maybe Dom can get there. It will be fun to watch how he develops.
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He's not as good of a shooter, but Dom reminds me a lot of D.J. Kennedy. Does a lot of the little things on the court.
They both contribute in a lot of ways but DJ was so much more under control. Something a lot of our guys need to work on.
I think Dom is a bit taller, and definitely stronger and more athletic. no/yes? However DJ was much more refined. With a lot of hard work maybe Dom can get there. It will be fun to watch how he develops.
DJ wasn't refined/controlled until his junior year. I see a lot of potential in Pointer. He just needs to improve on the shooting.
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First and foremost he needs to learn how to stay out of foul trouble.
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He's not as good of a shooter, but Dom reminds me a lot of D.J. Kennedy. Does a lot of the little things on the court.
They both contribute in a lot of ways but DJ was so much more under control. Something a lot of our guys need to work on.
I think Dom is a bit taller, and definitely stronger and more athletic. no/yes? However DJ was much more refined. With a lot of hard work maybe Dom can get there. It will be fun to watch how he develops.
DJ wasn't refined/controlled until his junior year. I see a lot of potential in Pointer. He just needs to improve on the shooting.
I think DJ was a very good player as a Soph. I recall him and Paris being our only good players in BE play.
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He's not as good of a shooter, but Dom reminds me a lot of D.J. Kennedy. Does a lot of the little things on the court.
They both contribute in a lot of ways but DJ was so much more under control. Something a lot of our guys need to work on.
I think Dom is a bit taller, and definitely stronger and more athletic. no/yes? However DJ was much more refined. With a lot of hard work maybe Dom can get there. It will be fun to watch how he develops.
DJ wasn't refined/controlled until his junior year. I see a lot of potential in Pointer. He just needs to improve on the shooting.
One impressive stat relative to Dom's improvement THIS season: First 17 games of the year, he pulled down 64 rebs - 3.7 per game. Last 12 games, he's pulled down 98 - 8.1 per game.
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He's not as good of a shooter, but Dom reminds me a lot of D.J. Kennedy. Does a lot of the little things on the court.
They both contribute in a lot of ways but DJ was so much more under control. Something a lot of our guys need to work on.
I think Dom is a bit taller, and definitely stronger and more athletic. no/yes? However DJ was much more refined. With a lot of hard work maybe Dom can get there. It will be fun to watch how he develops.
I think the height is a wash, athleticism goes to pointer, but strength I'd give to DJ. Id put him up against anyone. Dom can be better than DJ by the time he graduates if he works hard enough. The potential is definitely there.
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He's not as good of a shooter, but Dom reminds me a lot of D.J. Kennedy. Does a lot of the little things on the court.
They both contribute in a lot of ways but DJ was so much more under control. Something a lot of our guys need to work on.
I think Dom is a bit taller, and definitely stronger and more athletic. no/yes? However DJ was much more refined. With a lot of hard work maybe Dom can get there. It will be fun to watch how he develops.
DJ wasn't refined/controlled until his junior year. I see a lot of potential in Pointer. He just needs to improve on the shooting.
I think DJ was a very good player as a Soph. I recall him and Paris being our only good players in BE play.
Agree poison. DJ's soph year (not stat wise) would be the third best player on our team behind Dlo and jakarr. And he wouldn't be too far behind IMO.
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
I am a little drunk and on the train on my phone so I don't swear on these stats but it seems like last year 21 frosh and soph were taken in the draft - both rounds. That would suggest that there are 21 special players in each class who get drafted within their first 2 yrs (assuming 2012 was a normal year). If Dom averaged at 30 that would mean it would not be surprising for his rank to be accurate but NoT to be a top 2 round draft pick this year. Lets wait until next year to evaluate but I'd say no, a top 50 or even top 30 is not supposed to be special by end of soph year necessarily.
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
I am a little drunk and on the train on my phone so I don't swear on these stats but it seems like last year 21 frosh and soph were taken in the draft - both rounds. That would suggest that there are 21 special players in each class who get drafted within their first 2 yrs (assuming 2012 was a normal year). If Dom averaged at 30 that would mean it would not be surprising for his rank to be accurate but NoT to be a top 2 round draft pick this year. Lets wait until next year to evaluate but I'd say no, a top 50 or even top 30 is not supposed to be special by end of soph year necessarily.
Hope you had a good night
By special does he have to be NBA player?
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First and foremost he needs to learn how to stay out of foul trouble.
Excellent point, and they seem to come in bunches- he leads the league in getting two fouls within 30 seconds. And way too may fouls 30 feet from the hoop. On the positive side I bet he leads the team in charges taken.
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
I am a little drunk and on the train on my phone so I don't swear on these stats but it seems like last year 21 frosh and soph were taken in the draft - both rounds. That would suggest that there are 21 special players in each class who get drafted within their first 2 yrs (assuming 2012 was a normal year). If Dom averaged at 30 that would mean it would not be surprising for his rank to be accurate but NoT to be a top 2 round draft pick this year. Lets wait until next year to evaluate but I'd say no, a top 50 or even top 30 is not supposed to be special by end of soph year necessarily.
Hope you had a good night
By special does he have to be NBA player?
Thanks. No - but it's difficult to really quantify it any other way. I think on a team with some veteran leaders Dom could be considered special already. Next year will be big test for him.
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Joey Johnson had a confirmed 52 inch vertical as a senior at Arizona State. For you oldtimers, Gus Johnson (no relation to Joey or Nick), one of the early NBA high risers, while in college took a dare in a little bar in Moscow Idaho (Corner Bar - it's still there, I think) - from a standing start, jump and touch a beam above the floor. He did. It was measured at 11'6". That was back in 1963. Owner hammerd a nail into the spot, and proclaimed free drinks for the house if anyone could duplicate the jump. They painted a yellow 40 inch circle beneath the beam. Had to jump with both feet inside the circle. There were no free drinks for 23 years (and that included almost every Pac 8 conference player from 1963 thru 1986 - reportedly Bill Walton came closest) - till Joey showed up in Moscow, traveling thru with his College Of Sourthern Idaho JC team. He not only touched the nail, he bent the sucker almost flat.
Good story and well told. It has a great interior rhyme scheme, very quote the Raven:
You oldtimers,
early risers,
Gus in college
took a dare
a little bar
in Idaho
a corner Bar
it still stands there
from a standing
start and jump
Gus touched a beam
above the floor.
That was back in 64.
Owner hammer'd
nailed the spot
and promised free drinks
for the room
if anyone
could duplicate
and so they waited
in the gloom
painted they a yellow circle
Had to jump with both feet in
no free drinks for 20 years
who came the closest?
Bill Walton
Joey showed up
down in Moscow,
traveled thru with CSI
touched the nail
and bent the sucker
earned the room
a belt of rye
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
I am a little drunk and on the train on my phone so I don't swear on these stats but it seems like last year 21 frosh and soph were taken in the draft - both rounds. That would suggest that there are 21 special players in each class who get drafted within their first 2 yrs (assuming 2012 was a normal year). If Dom averaged at 30 that would mean it would not be surprising for his rank to be accurate but NoT to be a top 2 round draft pick this year. Lets wait until next year to evaluate but I'd say no, a top 50 or even top 30 is not supposed to be special by end of soph year necessarily.
Hope you had a good night
By special does he have to be NBA player?
Thanks. No - but it's difficult to really quantify it any other way. I think on a team with some veteran leaders Dom could be considered special already. Next year will be big test for him.
Couldn't "special" mean that the player actually accomplishes something in college?
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Just wondering. Not trying to start a war just want to know honest opinion from all not just the OP.
Special 4 year player- Should a guy like Dom who was Top 50 be a special 4 year player? Shouldn't they be special a lot sooner than that?
I am a little drunk and on the train on my phone so I don't swear on these stats but it seems like last year 21 frosh and soph were taken in the draft - both rounds. That would suggest that there are 21 special players in each class who get drafted within their first 2 yrs (assuming 2012 was a normal year). If Dom averaged at 30 that would mean it would not be surprising for his rank to be accurate but NoT to be a top 2 round draft pick this year. Lets wait until next year to evaluate but I'd say no, a top 50 or even top 30 is not supposed to be special by end of soph year necessarily.
Hope you had a good night
By special does he have to be NBA player?
Thanks. No - but it's difficult to really quantify it any other way. I think on a team with some veteran leaders Dom could be considered special already. Next year will be big test for him.
Couldn't "special" mean that the player actually accomplishes something in college?
As in Marcus Hatten
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Who is our script writer?
“@STJ_Basketball: Sir'Dominic Pointer: "I apologize for losing my composure at Notre Dame and for my part in the fight late in the game." #stjbb”
“@STJ_Basketball: Sir'Dominic Pointer: “I pride myself in my on-court intensity and toughness, but I know I cannot allow it to get to that level.” #stjbb”
“@STJ_Basketball: Sir'Dominic Pointer: “I accept my suspension for the Marquette game.” #stjbb”
“@STJ_Basketball: Sir'Dominic Pointer: “As a leader I know that it's important to set a good example.” #stjbb”
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Coach, I hope you are writing this from your car heading to Philly to get Jordan.
“@STJCoachLavin: The objective is to play each game with purposeful intensity... #stjbb”
“@STJCoachLavin: ... And a cohesiveness that will allow us to play a winning brand of basketball that best represents St. John’s. #stjbb”
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“@STJCoachLavin: Congrats to Sir Dominic Pointer on receiving the Most Improved Player Award tonight. Well deserved!”
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“@STJCoachLavin: Congrats to Sir Dominic Pointer on receiving the Most Improved Player Award tonight. Well deserved!”
What is this award? Who gave it to him? Lavin?
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“@STJCoachLavin: Congrats to Sir Dominic Pointer on receiving the Most Improved Player Award tonight. Well deserved!”
What is this award? Who gave it to him? Lavin?
SJU annual awards ceremony for all sports I believe. Assume coaching staff decided.
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“@STJCoachLavin: Congrats to Sir Dominic Pointer on receiving the Most Improved Player Award tonight. Well deserved!”
So Phil Greene goes from afterthought to co-MVP and doesn't get most improved?
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“@STJCoachLavin: Congrats to Sir Dominic Pointer on receiving the Most Improved Player Award tonight. Well deserved!”
So Phil Greene goes from afterthought to co-MVP and doesn't get most improved?
I'm not sure Phil Greene was ever an afterthought. The staff loves the kid and he played big minutes both years.
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“@STJCoachLavin: Congrats to Sir Dominic Pointer on receiving the Most Improved Player Award tonight. Well deserved!”
So Phil Greene goes from afterthought to co-MVP and doesn't get most improved?
I'm not sure Phil Greene was ever an afterthought. The staff loves the kid and he played big minutes both years.
Forget who may be the better player. Who had a better year?
My point is that if Phil Greene went from where he was to being the co MVP of the team, then he would have to be most improved.
Pointer showed greater improvement and was the better player IMO.
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“@STJCoachLavin: Congrats to Sir Dominic Pointer on receiving the Most Improved Player Award tonight. Well deserved!”
So Phil Greene goes from afterthought to co-MVP and doesn't get most improved?
Staff decides. It's customary to spread them around and not give multiple awards to same player.
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“@STJCoachLavin: Congrats to Sir Dominic Pointer on receiving the Most Improved Player Award tonight. Well deserved!”
So Phil Greene goes from afterthought to co-MVP and doesn't get most improved?
Joining a program with 0 returning players, the departure of Nuri, JBs transfer/injury & the issues surrounding Dee, Phil's value has been nothing short of enormous. Ask CO or Sheed about Phil, or Ron Linfonte about playing every night in pain. He's coachs fav for good reason. If there is one kid that deserves a special season, it's him
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“@STJCoachLavin: Congrats to Sir Dominic Pointer on receiving the Most Improved Player Award tonight. Well deserved!”
So Phil Greene goes from afterthought to co-MVP and doesn't get most improved?
Joining a program with 0 returning players, the departure of Nuri, JBs transfer/injury & the issues surrounding Dee, Phil's value has been nothing short of enormous. Ask CO or Sheed about Phil, or Ron Linfonte about playing every night in pain. He's coachs fav for good reason. If there is one kid that deserves a special season, it's him
It was not my intent to bash Phil. Just that if Phil IMPROVED enough to become coMVP than he should be the most improved player.
Prior to the season if there was a poll taken on who would be our MVP, Phil would have been an afterthought.
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“@STJCoachLavin: Congrats to Sir Dominic Pointer on receiving the Most Improved Player Award tonight. Well deserved!”
So Phil Greene goes from afterthought to co-MVP and doesn't get most improved?
Joining a program with 0 returning players, the departure of Nuri, JBs transfer/injury & the issues surrounding Dee, Phil's value has been nothing short of enormous. Ask CO or Sheed about Phil, or Ron Linfonte about playing every night in pain. He's coachs fav for good reason. If there is one kid that deserves a special season, it's him
I agree w you that Lavin loves Phil and that is why he got coMVP. I believe Dom deserved it more,has a more well balanced game and is the glue guy. Maybe next year well see why Lavin loves Phil so much. No disrespect to Phil ,I havent figured it out by watching him this year.
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Shocked Lipscomb didn't get co-MVP
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Shocked Lipscomb didn't get co-MVP
Just wait till next year. Debates about who should be playing and how much are going to represent 90% of the posts next season.
And that's just concerning scholarship players. If a walkon gets minutes again? Heads might explode.(Including my own)
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Shocked Lipscomb didn't get co-MVP
Next year?
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I love what Dom brings to the table. He has definitely improved. He will be a player we remember fondly after he leaves. However, I am no scout. But he was way overrated coming out of hs. How can a wing player be rated to high who couldnt dribble or shoot?
Think he has good junior and hopefully a great senior year for us
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I love what Dom brings to the table. He has definitely improved. He will be a player we remember fondly after he leaves. However, I am no scout. But he was way overrated coming out of hs. How can a wing player be rated to high who couldnt dribble or shoot?
Think he has good junior and hopefully a great senior year for us
Because he absolutely DOMINATED his position at the things he COULD do.
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I think Dom 's confidence took a hit at D1 level. Two years for skills and confidence to sky. Will take a whole lot of work, but I see him playing pro ball.
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i agree, jr49. pointer will make a whole lot of money!
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Dribbling and shooting are two important things. He has improved considerably since he got here. No where close to dominating.
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We really need Dom to take off to reach our full potential.
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I love the fire and hustle that pointer brings. Not trying to hate in him either. But he is not as talented as dj or postel. And they didn't make the NBA. Hope he proves me wrong.
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Dom was only a SO. Lets compare him to DJ after his SR yr.
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I love the fire and hustle that pointer brings. Not trying to hate in him either. But he is not as talented as dj or postel. And they didn't make the NBA. Hope he proves me wrong.
Tony, know way I can know for sure, but I think he's always going to be a plus player for us in those plus minus ratings they keep. It's a good stat when you think of a guy who's game has intangibles. Of course if a guy gets you 15 boards a game you don't have to dig as much.
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I love the fire and hustle that pointer brings. Not trying to hate in him either. But he is not as talented as dj or postel. And they didn't make the NBA. Hope he proves me wrong.
Can you define "making the NBA" a little better bbecause Postel played 3 years in the league.
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I love the fire and hustle that pointer brings. Not trying to hate in him either. But he is not as talented as dj or postel. And they didn't make the NBA. Hope he proves me wrong.
I love DJ, but he doesn't have a tenth of Pointer's physical attributes. Dom has the potential to absolutely blow up.
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I love the fire and hustle that pointer brings. Not trying to hate in him either. But he is not as talented as dj or postel. And they didn't make the NBA. Hope he proves me wrong.
I love DJ, but he doesn't have a tenth of Pointer's physical attributes. Dom has the potential to absolutely blow up.
DJ SHOULD be in the league and will be. GMs are fickle, why else would the Hornets have to suffer through nearly a whole season of Austin Rivers starting at sg?
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I am not looking to argue. Pointer was like a top 35 overall recuit. I thought we were getting a stud. He has not been. He has been much better the end of last year. I think he will be a very good 4 year player for us. He is no Ron artest. He is a wing player who can't shoot. In the NBA back up power forwards are good shooters. I like pointer, love what he brings to the table. Still i think he was very over rated coming out of hs.
Dj and postel. Two of my favorites. In my opinion, better basketball players then pointer. Still not NBA guys. As much as I love postell. Not going to goggle how many games he played. He did not make it in NBA.
Dj as a sophomore was the best player on a bad team. Without Harrison we are a bad team. Think dj is better. Dj was a top 150 player. Pointer was a top 40 player. Pointer is a great athlete. Not a great basketball player. Again hope he proves me wrong.
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I am not looking to argue. Pointer was like a top 35 overall recuit. I thought we were getting a stud. He has not been. He has been much better the end of last year. I think he will be a very good 4 year player for us. He is no Ron artest. He is a wing player who can't shoot. In the NBA back up power forwards are good shooters. I like pointer, love what he brings to the table. Still i think he was very over rated coming out of hs.
Dj and postel. Two of my favorites. In my opinion, better basketball players then pointer. Still not NBA guys. As much as I love postell. Not going to goggle how many games he played. He did not make it in NBA.
Dj as a sophomore was the best player on a bad team. Without Harrison we are a bad team. Think dj is better. Dj was a top 150 player. Pointer was a top 40 player. Pointer is a great athlete. Not a great basketball player. Again hope he proves me wrong.
Agree with a lot of what you wrote. I loved DJ. There's a ton that Dom could learn from him, maybe most importantly is his patience and composer.
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I am not looking to argue. Pointer was like a top 35 overall recuit. I thought we were getting a stud. He has not been. He has been much better the end of last year. I think he will be a very good 4 year player for us. He is no Ron artest. He is a wing player who can't shoot. In the NBA back up power forwards are good shooters. I like pointer, love what he brings to the table. Still i think he was very over rated coming out of hs.
Dj and postel. Two of my favorites. In my opinion, better basketball players then pointer. Still not NBA guys. As much as I love postell. Not going to goggle how many games he played. He did not make it in NBA.
Dj as a sophomore was the best player on a bad team. Without Harrison we are a bad team. Think dj is better. Dj was a top 150 player. Pointer was a top 40 player. Pointer is a great athlete. Not a great basketball player. Again hope he proves me wrong.
Agree with a lot of what you wrote. I loved DJ. There's a ton that Dom could learn from him, maybe most importantly is his patience and composer.
Dom is a better athlete than DJ ever was, but DJ was the better basketball player in college, at least thus far. But I think Dom can surpass DJ in all respects by his senior year based on his freakishly sudden and dramatic improvement last season.
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I am not looking to argue. Pointer was like a top 35 overall recuit. I thought we were getting a stud. He has not been. He has been much better the end of last year. I think he will be a very good 4 year player for us. He is no Ron artest. He is a wing player who can't shoot. In the NBA back up power forwards are good shooters. I like pointer, love what he brings to the table. Still i think he was very over rated coming out of hs.
Dj and postel. Two of my favorites. In my opinion, better basketball players then pointer. Still not NBA guys. As much as I love postell. Not going to goggle how many games he played. He did not make it in NBA.
Dj as a sophomore was the best player on a bad team. Without Harrison we are a bad team. Think dj is better. Dj was a top 150 player. Pointer was a top 40 player. Pointer is a great athlete. Not a great basketball player. Again hope he proves me wrong.
Agree with a lot of what you wrote. I loved DJ. There's a ton that Dom could learn from him, maybe most importantly is his patience and composer.
Dom is a better athlete than DJ ever was, but DJ was the better basketball player in college, at least thus far. But I think Dom can surpass DJ in all respects by his senior year based on his freakishly sudden and dramatic improvement last season.
No doubt that the door is not closed on Dom. He can be as good as he wants to be.
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I loved LaVarr Postell and that 1999-2000 era, but he only stayed on the Knicks roster because of Van Gundy. When he got light, he had a couple of headline games. Truth is, I don't think he played eighty games during the three years.