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Title: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 03:03:55 PM
I've had enough Jordan drama talk. Let's talk some hoops.  We need Obekpa  to stay out of foul trouble. I think  they will dump the ball in to Pinkston and Ochefu often and early, try to get Obekpa on the bench early.  Pointer needs to be  active on the glass and Branch needs to penetrate and rack up some assists.  Harrison needs to be Harrison
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: bball purist on January 06, 2015, 03:06:24 PM
I've had enough Jordan drama talk. Let's talk some hoops.  We need Obekpa  to stay out of foul trouble. I think  they will dump the ball in to Pinkston and Ochefu often and early, try to get Obekpa on the bench early.  Pointer needs to be  active on the glass and Branch needs to penetrate and rack up some assists.  Harrison needs to be Harrison
I agree on Nova dumping low on CO. I think it will backfire if CO is patient.  Then Nove will go back out to their perimeter.

I'm hoping our length and pursuit at the arc challenges a lot of Nova 3s.  I believe Nova will sag on Branch, challenging him to shoot so they can help on DLo and Dom more.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 03:08:14 PM
Maybe Lavin will throw a wrench into Novas game plan. Bring Obekpa off the bench, let jones, big Joey  or Vanilla ice bang their bigs for first 3 mins
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: redstorm89 on January 06, 2015, 04:46:13 PM
Do you think tonight's attendance will be more or less than 10k? this game usually draws but not so sure this year because of the start time.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: boo3 on January 06, 2015, 04:46:17 PM
Good , quick start is imperative.   This team is not built for frantic comebacks IMO.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: desco80 on January 06, 2015, 04:53:26 PM
The offense has to be better, and Obekpa needs to stay out of foul trouble.
Make the extra pass tonight guys!

I'm looking for Branch to penetrate more, and for us to use Obekpa in the post on offense.   
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: TONYD3 on January 06, 2015, 04:58:13 PM
Do you think tonight's attendance will be more or less than 10k? this game usually draws but not so sure this year because of the start time.
Less. But hopefully a good crowd! A win would be nice
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: SJUFAN on January 06, 2015, 05:13:28 PM
I'm looking for Branch to penetrate more, and for us to use Obekpa in the post on offense.   

This is not going to happen. Branch doesn't penetrate and Obekpa doesn't get the ball in the post.
It would be nice see, but we need to start accepting reality.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: stjohnnie75 on January 06, 2015, 05:26:04 PM
I'm looking for Branch to penetrate more, and for us to use Obekpa in the post on offense.   

This is not going to happen. Branch doesn't penetrate and Obekpa doesn't get the ball in the post.
It would be nice see, but we need to start accepting reality.

IMO, Jordan is the only guard that passes into the post.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 05:49:53 PM
Do you think tonight's attendance will be more or less than 10k? this game usually draws but not so sure this year because of the start time.

I think close to 10.  A lot of Nova alumn in the area
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Poison on January 06, 2015, 06:01:39 PM
Maybe Lavin will throw a wrench into Novas game plan. Bring Obekpa off the bench, let jones, big Joey  or Vanilla ice bang their bigs for first 3 mins

That's the kind of strategy that we'd be all over Lavin for, but at some point, Delarosa will be there for defense. It's inevitable. I haven't seen enough of him to know if he's capable of playing at all at this level. We know his limitations, but he has shown a little promise on d. Pinkston and Ochefu are polished upperclassman who on paper, would eat him alive. We know we're need him. Jones doesn't guard anyone so he wouldn't be able to foul anyone. Alibegovic is lost on d. I'd rather go small and try to run them out of the building, but I still expect to see Joey D for 10-15 minutes tonight.

And I think we're asking for a Albert Richardson on Elton Brand type of defensive effort tonight. I remember that game like it was yesterday. Richardson didn't leave his feet, and his arms were ready to change the direction of shots. It doesn't show up in the box score, but if Delarosa can contribute comparably, we can win.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Poison on January 06, 2015, 06:03:33 PM
The offense has to be better, and Obekpa needs to stay out of foul trouble.
Make the extra pass tonight guys!

I'm looking for Branch to penetrate more, and for us to use Obekpa in the post on offense.   

We've been looking for him to penetrate more since he got here. He got in the lane against Niagara at will, but they weren't guarding him. Against Butler and the Hall he was gun shy.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Poison on January 06, 2015, 06:05:18 PM
Good , quick start is imperative.   This team is not built for frantic comebacks IMO.

I don't think we ever are, but we did it against Minnesota and St.Mary's. Nova is deeper and more talented than those teams this year. We can't get into a hole.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: sjulaw1991 on January 06, 2015, 06:07:37 PM
Ochefu worries me.  Has been playing well and will go right at Chris.  He needs to stay out of foul trouble and we need to put a body on Pinkston to stop easy put backs.  With any luck Jim Burr will not be doing the game.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 06:10:11 PM
Maybe Lavin will throw a wrench into Novas game plan. Bring Obekpa off the bench, let jones, big Joey  or Vanilla ice bang their bigs for first 3 mins

That's the kind of strategy that we'd be all over Lavin for, but at some point, Delarosa will be there for defense. It's inevitable. I haven't seen enough of him to know if he's capable of playing at all at this level. We know his limitations, but he has shown a little promise on d. Pinkston and Ochefu are polished upperclassman who on paper, would eat him alive. We know we're need him. Jones doesn't guard anyone so he wouldn't be able to foul anyone. Alibegovic is lost on d. I'd rather go small and try to run them out of the building, but I still expect to see Joey D for 10-15 minutes tonight.

And I think we're asking for a Albert Richardson on Elton Brand type of defensive effort tonight. I remember that game like it was yesterday. Richardson didn't leave his feet, and his arms were ready to change the direction of shots. It doesn't show up in the box score, but if Delarosa can contribute comparably, we can win.

I think of it this  way, we have Opekpa for the first 3 mins, or for the rest of the half
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: bball purist on January 06, 2015, 06:11:36 PM
Maybe Lavin will throw a wrench into Novas game plan. Bring Obekpa off the bench, let jones, big Joey  or Vanilla ice bang their bigs for first 3 mins

That's the kind of strategy that we'd be all over Lavin for, but at some point, Delarosa will be there for defense. It's inevitable. I haven't seen enough of him to know if he's capable of playing at all at this level. We know his limitations, but he has shown a little promise on d. Pinkston and Ochefu are polished upperclassman who on paper, would eat him alive. We know we're need him. Jones doesn't guard anyone so he wouldn't be able to foul anyone. Alibegovic is lost on d. I'd rather go small and try to run them out of the building, but I still expect to see Joey D for 10-15 minutes tonight.

And I think we're asking for a Albert Richardson on Elton Brand type of defensive effort tonight. I remember that game like it was yesterday. Richardson didn't leave his feet, and his arms were ready to change the direction of shots. It doesn't show up in the box score, but if Delarosa can contribute comparably, we can win.

I think of it this  way, we have Opekpa for the first 3 mins, or for the rest of the half
Do you think he can be aggressive, and change/block some shots and not foul? I say 60/40 on being able to do it.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 06:13:55 PM
Maybe Lavin will throw a wrench into Novas game plan. Bring Obekpa off the bench, let jones, big Joey  or Vanilla ice bang their bigs for first 3 mins

That's the kind of strategy that we'd be all over Lavin for, but at some point, Delarosa will be there for defense. It's inevitable. I haven't seen enough of him to know if he's capable of playing at all at this level. We know his limitations, but he has shown a little promise on d. Pinkston and Ochefu are polished upperclassman who on paper, would eat him alive. We know we're need him. Jones doesn't guard anyone so he wouldn't be able to foul anyone. Alibegovic is lost on d. I'd rather go small and try to run them out of the building, but I still expect to see Joey D for 10-15 minutes tonight.

And I think we're asking for a Albert Richardson on Elton Brand type of defensive effort tonight. I remember that game like it was yesterday. Richardson didn't leave his feet, and his arms were ready to change the direction of shots. It doesn't show up in the box score, but if Delarosa can contribute comparably, we can win.

I think of it this  way, we have Opekpa for the first 3 mins, or for the rest of the half
Do you think he can be aggressive, and change/block some shots and not foul? I say 60/40 on being able to do it.

No. I don't think he has shown that he can  do that yet. Jay Wright knows this. I know guys here will hate the reference, but Cluess has brought Laury off the bench in the past for the same reason.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: paultzman on January 06, 2015, 06:39:26 PM
Nova is great at drawing fouls, getting to bonus early & usually money at the line. We can't reach or commit silly fouls or we will be into our thin bench sooner than later.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: TONYD3 on January 06, 2015, 06:45:46 PM
We play well we should win. We don't we lose. This is not the 92 Duke team
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: cjfish on January 06, 2015, 07:13:55 PM
CO and fouls the key.....Guard need to be up tight, contest passes inside because CO an DOM have to overplay....let them beat us over the top if they can....early turnovers will hopefully get the game off to a good start
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: bball purist on January 06, 2015, 07:21:25 PM
Maybe Lavin will throw a wrench into Novas game plan. Bring Obekpa off the bench, let jones, big Joey  or Vanilla ice bang their bigs for first 3 mins

That's the kind of strategy that we'd be all over Lavin for, but at some point, Delarosa will be there for defense. It's inevitable. I haven't seen enough of him to know if he's capable of playing at all at this level. We know his limitations, but he has shown a little promise on d. Pinkston and Ochefu are polished upperclassman who on paper, would eat him alive. We know we're need him. Jones doesn't guard anyone so he wouldn't be able to foul anyone. Alibegovic is lost on d. I'd rather go small and try to run them out of the building, but I still expect to see Joey D for 10-15 minutes tonight.

And I think we're asking for a Albert Richardson on Elton Brand type of defensive effort tonight. I remember that game like it was yesterday. Richardson didn't leave his feet, and his arms were ready to change the direction of shots. It doesn't show up in the box score, but if Delarosa can contribute comparably, we can win.

I think of it this  way, we have Opekpa for the first 3 mins, or for the rest of the half
Do you think he can be aggressive, and change/block some shots and not foul? I say 60/40 on being able to do it.

No. I don't think he has shown that he can  do that yet. Jay Wright knows this. I know guys here will hate the reference, but Cluess has brought Laury off the bench in the past for the same reason.
Despite the GTOWN fiasco, I would still be open to a little bench hammer time to start out
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 08:47:47 PM
Maybe Lavin will throw a wrench into Novas game plan. Bring Obekpa off the bench, let jones, big Joey  or Vanilla ice bang their bigs for first 3 mins

That's the kind of strategy that we'd be all over Lavin for, but at some point, Delarosa will be there for defense. It's inevitable. I haven't seen enough of him to know if he's capable of playing at all at this level. We know his limitations, but he has shown a little promise on d. Pinkston and Ochefu are polished upperclassman who on paper, would eat him alive. We know we're need him. Jones doesn't guard anyone so he wouldn't be able to foul anyone. Alibegovic is lost on d. I'd rather go small and try to run them out of the building, but I still expect to see Joey D for 10-15 minutes tonight.

And I think we're asking for a Albert Richardson on Elton Brand type of defensive effort tonight. I remember that game like it was yesterday. Richardson didn't leave his feet, and his arms were ready to change the direction of shots. It doesn't show up in the box score, but if Delarosa can contribute comparably, we can win.

I think of it this  way, we have Opekpa for the first 3 mins, or for the rest of the half
Do you think he can be aggressive, and change/block some shots and not foul? I say 60/40 on being able to do it.

No. I don't think he has shown that he can  do that yet. Jay Wright knows this. I know guys here will hate the reference, but Cluess has brought Laury off the bench in the past for the same reason.

I know you'll probably hate this reference, but Lavin has brought Obekpa off the bench in the past for the same reason. :P
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: 0404 on January 06, 2015, 09:02:39 PM
Hate 9 PM starts. So tired from work right now.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: redstorm212 on January 06, 2015, 09:23:02 PM
What happened to our stifling defense?
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Post by: valgoth on January 06, 2015, 09:24:36 PM
refs are really not helping, everything being  called ticky-tack. takes the aggressiveness out of the D
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: 0404 on January 06, 2015, 09:33:10 PM
Jordan 0-2 with 2 airballs?
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Post by: redstorm212 on January 06, 2015, 09:34:18 PM
Jordan needs to let things come naturally and not force them.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: valgoth on January 06, 2015, 09:35:20 PM
he needs to relax, he's tight you can tell
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Post by: 0404 on January 06, 2015, 09:36:53 PM
I'm really going to miss Harrison next year.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 09:37:41 PM
Damn rysheed with a beautiful pass and obekpa misses the dunk, dom then picks up 2nd foul on a play that should have never happened. That is worth so much more than 2 points
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 09:38:01 PM
They are going right at Phil on offense, and so far it is working.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: upstate32 on January 06, 2015, 09:40:21 PM
Jamal needs to start shooting.  He is no factor on offense!!
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: redstorm212 on January 06, 2015, 09:45:55 PM
Jamal should try to score more. Outside of Harrison he is the best at finishing at the rim.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 09:47:02 PM
Jamal needs to start shooting.  He is no factor on offense!!

I just said the same thing.  I think he has a respectable shot.  Take it, if open.  Maybe, if he hit a couple of 'em, then it'll open up the lane a bit more.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: redstorm212 on January 06, 2015, 09:47:02 PM
Rysheed's shot looks awful. Not a chance of going in.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 09:47:21 PM
Jordan needs to let things come naturally and not force them.
Needs to stop shooting. Not even close
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 09:52:13 PM
Christian Jones is lost out there on defense.

Good job on us making a run.
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Post by: upstate32 on January 06, 2015, 09:52:15 PM
They keep saying Boothe and my heart skips a beat thinking he is back!!
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 09:52:29 PM
Phil on fire
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Post by: 0404 on January 06, 2015, 09:52:32 PM
Great f'n game so far. Awesome play by Harrison just now on that 1v2.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 09:54:27 PM
Christian Jones is lost out there on defense.

Good job on us making a run.

Where was he lost MJ, on the one rebound that fell into Ochefus hands?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: redstorm212 on January 06, 2015, 10:00:00 PM
both of Obekpa's fouls were tic tack
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Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 10:00:52 PM
Jordan throwing up bricks than doesn't get back on d. Killing us
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Post by: upstate32 on January 06, 2015, 10:02:29 PM
Jordan throwing up bricks than doesn't get back on d. Killing us
The shot was horrible but not getting back on D is worse.  He has no clue what he is doing out there!!
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 10:02:32 PM
"The Arch" flopped.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Poison on January 06, 2015, 10:02:57 PM
Christian Jones is lost out there on defense.

Good job on us making a run.


Where was he lost MJ, on the one rebound that fell into Ochefus hands?

I saw the same play w about 6 minutes left. Nova missed a Jones, and two nova guys are going for the ball, and Jones runs out of the way. He is baffling.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: 0404 on January 06, 2015, 10:03:51 PM
Best player in the conference. Bar none.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 10:05:12 PM
Joey in
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Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 10:05:55 PM
Uh oh!  Harrison grabbing his knee.
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Post by: 0404 on January 06, 2015, 10:05:57 PM
Oh no...he's hurt....
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Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 10:05:57 PM
Oh no
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Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 10:06:38 PM
I hope it's not hyperextended.
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Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 10:06:57 PM
Doesn't look good. Fck
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Post by: paultzman on January 06, 2015, 10:07:08 PM
Greene has to let others handle ball & look for area to spot up.
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Post by: newyorker2586 on January 06, 2015, 10:07:09 PM
damn phil greene
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Post by: redstorm212 on January 06, 2015, 10:07:49 PM
I hope it's not hyperextended.

I fear worse
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 10:08:08 PM
Christian Jones is lost out there on defense.

Good job on us making a run.

Where was he lost MJ, on the one rebound that fell into Ochefus hands?

He didn't tag a shooter (although, Josh Hart missed the shot), and sat outside of the lane looking rather confused.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 10:08:33 PM
damn phil greene

Agree!  He should've given up.  Too much dribbling, and got it stripped.
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Post by: redstorm89 on January 06, 2015, 10:09:52 PM
hope harrison is ok. question is who will step up?
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Post by: we are sju on January 06, 2015, 10:10:45 PM
Greene looks confused whenever he does anything on basketball court besides shoot
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Post by: Poison on January 06, 2015, 10:10:55 PM
Oh no
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Post by: Ron Artesticles on January 06, 2015, 10:11:07 PM
I bet he'll be starting the 2nd half.
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Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 10:11:53 PM
Christian Jones is lost out there on defense.

Good job on us making a run.

Where was he lost MJ, on the one rebound that fell into Ochefus hands?

He didn't tag a shooter (although, Josh Hart missed the shot), and sat outside of the lane looking rather confused.

I'm sorry but that was  not his man, not even close. Then he falls victim to archiflopinos first flail. Kid needs a touch. Plenty of other guys on the team get beat on d. Phil gave up thile first 8 pts of the game.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: newyorker2586 on January 06, 2015, 10:12:25 PM
why Greene pushing there
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Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 10:12:33 PM
Greene looks confused whenever he does anything on basketball court besides shoot

He's 5-8
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Post by: newyorker2586 on January 06, 2015, 10:15:00 PM
hopefully it is not serious for d'lo
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Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 10:15:10 PM
It isn't possible to end a half worse than that. Phil needs to understand time score and situation.
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Post by: Ron Artesticles on January 06, 2015, 10:15:47 PM
just a bruise.

(http://i.imgur.com/tFKeaRf.png)
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 10:16:03 PM
Christian Jones is lost out there on defense.

Good job on us making a run.

Where was he lost MJ, on the one rebound that fell into Ochefus hands?

He didn't tag a shooter (although, Josh Hart missed the shot), and sat outside of the lane looking rather confused.

I'm sorry but that was  not his man, not even close. Then he falls victim to archiflopinos first flail. Kid needs a touch. Plenty of other guys on the team get beat on d. Phil gave up thile first 8 pts of the game.

We were in a zone, so that was his area. 

I have nothing against Jones, as I feel he has some tools.  But I call what I see.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 10:16:55 PM
It isn't possible to end a half worse than that. Phil needs to understand time score and situation.

Coach should have called a t.o
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Post by: paultzman on January 06, 2015, 10:17:34 PM
Dee will come back according to ESPN
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Post by: cjfish on January 06, 2015, 10:19:22 PM
Thank God....his first 1/2 was as good a half by a guard as Ive seen this year
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Post by: paultzman on January 06, 2015, 10:21:02 PM
@KieranDarcy: D'Angelo Harrison still in locker room, did not come out with rest of his teammates for second-half warmups.
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Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 10:22:10 PM
Christian Jones is lost out there on defense.

Good job on us making a run.

Where was he lost MJ, on the one rebound that fell into Ochefus hands?

He didn't tag a shooter (although, Josh Hart missed the shot), and sat outside of the lane looking rather confused.

I'm sorry but that was  not his man, not even close. Then he falls victim to archiflopinos first flail. Kid needs a touch. Plenty of other guys on the team get beat on d. Phil gave up thile first 8 pts of the game.

We were in a zone, so that was his area. 

I have nothing against Jones, as I feel he has some tools.  But I call what I see.


Dont think you do and hope you didnt take it that way,  just think that it is popular to point out everything negative the kids seems to do or not to do in the two minutes he gets. On that particular play, Jones was guarding Ennis and did better job of keeping him out of the paint than phil greene did all half. Then Ennis kicked back out to the corner and it is Jones', the guy guarding the guy who kicked it out, responsibility to go and close out the shooter?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: newyorker2586 on January 06, 2015, 10:25:06 PM
d'lo toughest sob out there
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Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 10:29:03 PM
Black Jesus last one back on d every time down the floor. Why not
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Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 10:29:31 PM
Christian Jones is lost out there on defense.

Good job on us making a run.

Where was he lost MJ, on the one rebound that fell into Ochefus hands?

He didn't tag a shooter (although, Josh Hart missed the shot), and sat outside of the lane looking rather confused.

I'm sorry but that was  not his man, not even close. Then he falls victim to archiflopinos first flail. Kid needs a touch. Plenty of other guys on the team get beat on d. Phil gave up thile first 8 pts of the game.

We were in a zone, so that was his area. 

I have nothing against Jones, as I feel he has some tools.  But I call what I see.


Dont think you do and hope you didnt take it that way,  just think that it is popular to point out everything negative the kids seems to do or not to do in the two minutes he gets. On that particular play, Jones was guarding Ennis and did better job of keeping him out of the paint than phil greene did all half. Then Ennis kicked back out to the corner and it is Jones', the guy guarding the guy who kicked it out, responsibility to go and close out the shooter?

Cool!  I thought you took it that way.  Thanks for clearing it up.  You know, for the most part, I'm an optimistic person.  So, I'm not wired to be negative, unless things are extremely bleak. 

On that note....  It's time for Harrison to take over.
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Post by: paultzman on January 06, 2015, 10:31:16 PM
Greene so streaky
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Post by: redstorm212 on January 06, 2015, 10:34:06 PM
Dom's shot from 15 and in is not bad.
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Post by: goredmen on January 06, 2015, 10:35:32 PM
I don't think we are better with Jordan than without him. What exactly does he give us again?
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Post by: redstorm212 on January 06, 2015, 10:37:12 PM
I don't think we are better with Jordan than without him. What exactly does he give us again?

Depth. And when he is his normal self 14 ppg.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 10:37:49 PM
Phil playing his balls off
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Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 10:38:09 PM
Great stretch by phil, jamal, and Dom.
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Post by: Johnny4Life on January 06, 2015, 10:39:09 PM
Great sequence just now. Branch with the nice pass, Phil with the open shot, followed by a stop and the ally oop to Pointer.
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Post by: redstorm212 on January 06, 2015, 10:40:08 PM
Gotta close out better.
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Post by: nudginator59 on January 06, 2015, 10:40:17 PM
Greene to Pointer....Niiiiiicccceeee.
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Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 10:40:33 PM
Livng and dying with the threes right now.
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Post by: goredmen on January 06, 2015, 10:41:30 PM
I don't think we are better with Jordan than without him. What exactly does he give us again?

Depth. And when he is his normal self 14 ppg.

His normal self this year is what hes doing tonight. His PPG are inflated from the crappy teams we've played. No coincidence this run came with him on the bench
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: redstorm212 on January 06, 2015, 10:45:14 PM
I don't think we are better with Jordan than without him. What exactly does he give us again?

Depth. And when he is his normal self 14 ppg.

His normal self this year is what hes doing tonight. His PPG are inflated from the crappy teams we've played. No coincidence this run came with him on the bench

Come on. He scored 18 against the Zags, 18 against Minnesota, and 11 against Syracuse and Seton Hall. He helps.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 10:45:44 PM
Dang!  I believed Pinkston stepped on Obekpa's foot.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: nudginator59 on January 06, 2015, 10:47:09 PM
I don't think we are better with Jordan than without him. What exactly does he give us again?

Depth. And when he is his normal self 14 ppg.

Hopefully he can do something in the last 10mins...tough to do 5 players the rest of the way.

His normal self this year is what hes doing tonight. His PPG are inflated from the crappy teams we've played. No coincidence this run came with him on the bench
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 10:48:41 PM
Not a smart play by Jordan. 

It looks like it's going to be a game of attrition.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: goredmen on January 06, 2015, 10:48:43 PM
I don't think we are better with Jordan than without him. What exactly does he give us again?

Depth. And when he is his normal self 14 ppg.

His normal self this year is what hes doing tonight. His PPG are inflated from the crappy teams we've played. No coincidence this run came with him on the bench

Come on. He scored 18 against the Zags, 18 against Minnesota, and 11 against Syracuse and Seton Hall. He helps.

And how many shots does he take to get those points? He doesn't help. He was a huge negative in the SHU game wasn't good against Cuse and is killing us again tonight. He needs at least 15 shot attempts to score 18 points. Thats not good
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: upstate32 on January 06, 2015, 10:49:51 PM
Phil has played well tonight...but how many times is he gunna kill momentum with an out of rhythm, quick jump shot?  Damn!!!
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: redstorm212 on January 06, 2015, 10:50:23 PM
I don't think we are better with Jordan than without him. What exactly does he give us again?

Depth. And when he is his normal self 14 ppg.

His normal self this year is what hes doing tonight. His PPG are inflated from the crappy teams we've played. No coincidence this run came with him on the bench

Come on. He scored 18 against the Zags, 18 against Minnesota, and 11 against Syracuse and Seton Hall. He helps.

And how many shots does he take to get those points? He doesn't help. He was a huge negative in the SHU game wasn't good against Cuse and is killing us again tonight. He needs at least 15 shot attempts to score 18 points. Thats not good

Tell me who steps in and scores those points if not him?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 10:51:23 PM
I don't think we are better with Jordan than without him. What exactly does he give us again?

Depth. And when he is his normal self 14 ppg.

His normal self this year is what hes doing tonight. His PPG are inflated from the crappy teams we've played. No coincidence this run came with him on the bench

Come on. He scored 18 against the Zags, 18 against Minnesota, and 11 against Syracuse and Seton Hall. He helps.

And how many shots does he take to get those points? He doesn't help. He was a huge negative in the SHU game wasn't good against Cuse and is killing us again tonight. He needs at least 15 shot attempts to score 18 points. Thats not good

For whatever its worth:

rysheed 14 ppg on 11 fg pg
Phil    11 ppg on 12 fg pg
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: 0404 on January 06, 2015, 10:51:35 PM
Harrison is going to be hurting tomorrow.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 10:52:07 PM
Phil has played well tonight...but how many times is he gunna kill momentum with an out of rhythm, quick jump shot?  Damn!!!

Seriously! run killers
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 10:53:51 PM
We gotta keep it within striking distance.  We lost momentum on the rushed shot by Greene and poor decision by Jordan.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 10:55:55 PM
Pinkston elbowed Harrison.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: 0404 on January 06, 2015, 10:55:58 PM
Some really shitty calls against us right now...
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: goredmen on January 06, 2015, 10:56:13 PM
And Villanova starts to build a lead as soon as Sheed comes in. How do you guys not see this?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: redstorm212 on January 06, 2015, 10:57:12 PM
And Villanova starts to build a lead as soon as Sheed comes in. How do you guys not see this?

Because he had nothing to do with any of the scoring plays? Are you serious? It's because Obekpa is out.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 10:57:30 PM
Wow!  That was a late whistle on the travel.  He traveled, but it was kinda late.

Slowly, slipping away from us.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: newyorker2586 on January 06, 2015, 10:58:45 PM
always happens this way they do the little things well we don't
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 10:59:07 PM
Starting to slip
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 10:59:27 PM
Wow!  That was a late whistle on the travel.  He traveled, but it was kinda late.

Slowly, slipping away from us.

He walked twice. Black Jesus walks on water
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Johnny4Life on January 06, 2015, 11:00:08 PM
Shouldn't we have some size like Delarosa in there while O'Bekpa is out? I would rather be resting O'Bekpa and one of our guards right now.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: 0404 on January 06, 2015, 11:01:04 PM
Branch can be a difference maker for us if he just plays with some aggression on offense.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: redstorm212 on January 06, 2015, 11:01:04 PM
Shouldn't we have some size like Delarosa in there while O'Bekpa is out? I would rather be resting O'Bekpa and one of our guards right now.

I agree. They can score at will with Obekpa out.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: 0404 on January 06, 2015, 11:01:31 PM
So if Pointer stands still with his arms up and Archipelago headbutts him, it's on Dom?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 11:02:33 PM
That was huge!  Missed FT, only to get the rebound and hit a trey. 

Jordan forcing it again, and getting stripped.  Pointer has now fouled out.  Uggh!
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: redstorm212 on January 06, 2015, 11:02:49 PM
Aaaand, game. No help from the refs in this one. But gotta be tougher mentally.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: newyorker2586 on January 06, 2015, 11:03:20 PM
put the quitter on the bench
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: JohnnyDC on January 06, 2015, 11:04:09 PM
That was a brutal sequence.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 11:04:09 PM
So if Pointer stands still with his arms up and Archipelago headbutts him, it's on Dom?

A rather, crappy call, if I must say.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Ron Artesticles on January 06, 2015, 11:05:22 PM
put the quitter on the bench

I used to like Sheed, tonight, he became my most hated sju player of all time.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: 0404 on January 06, 2015, 11:05:27 PM
Pointer, Obekpa and Harrison are all going to wind up fouling out. Pretty absurd.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 11:05:37 PM
Zero points off the bench. Shame on Lavin
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: goredmen on January 06, 2015, 11:06:12 PM
Zero points off the bench. Shame on Lavin

But our 2nd best player comes off the bench. How can that be?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: valgoth on January 06, 2015, 11:06:15 PM
this is the reason we need a change of coach. take 2014 off recruiting and have no depth. Look at the depth nova has.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 11:07:17 PM
Second chance points have killed us in the last couple of minutes.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: 0404 on January 06, 2015, 11:07:22 PM
Would be nice to have somebody who could rebound too.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 11:08:02 PM
this is the reason we need a change of coach. take 2014 off recruiting and have no depth. Look at the depth nova has.

Nova 23 points off the bench
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 11:08:54 PM
Would be nice to have somebody who could rebound too.

Nova 31 rebounds SJU 18
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 11:09:54 PM
I can name several, St. John's teams that lacked depth.  Although, the lack of depth hurts to an extent....  It's the lack of consistent scorers other than Harrison. 

Harrison will get 20.  But who can consistently give us 12 points after him?  I though it'd be Jordan, but he looks all out of sorts.  I'm not sure we can count on him any longer. 
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: valgoth on January 06, 2015, 11:10:07 PM
and thats the game
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 11:10:42 PM
This is tough to see
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 11:10:48 PM
and thats the game

Yep....  Unfortunately, that's ball game.  We're staring 0-4 in the face.  On the road versus Providence next week. 

A promising season seems to be going down the drain.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 11:11:11 PM
Let's see who gives up
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 11:12:01 PM
Let's see who gives up
And who doesn't
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: 0404 on January 06, 2015, 11:12:53 PM
Rysheed Jordan's last 6 games:

2 DNP

11-38 FG, 5 assists 10 turnovers.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 11:13:15 PM
put the quitter on the bench

I used to like Sheed, tonight, he became my most hated sju player of all time.

He has having a bad game. A very very bad game. What do you think he through the game or something?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Ron Artesticles on January 06, 2015, 11:13:32 PM
See ya Lavin.

Don't let it hit ya on the way out.

#HammerToRock
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: upstate32 on January 06, 2015, 11:14:54 PM
Great...8 days to chew on this one before our next game.  Jordan and Lavin need to go!
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: goredmen on January 06, 2015, 11:14:59 PM
Rysheed Jordan's last 6 games:

2 DNP

11-38 FG, 5 assists 10 turnovers.

But we are a much better team with him. He was a 5 star recruit that means we need him regardless of the fact his presence on the court actually hurts the team
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 11:15:23 PM
2o point loss
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Ron Artesticles on January 06, 2015, 11:16:07 PM
I wouldn't let Rysheed play for my damn intramural squad.

#WHYNOT??????
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 11:16:10 PM
Great...8 days to chew on this one before our next game.  Jordan and Lavin need to go!

Unless, something drastically change, then I doubt both of 'em will be here next season.  Regardless, what happens, I believe Jordan is done here after the season.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 11:17:29 PM
Get Harrison out
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: paultzman on January 06, 2015, 11:17:30 PM
0-3 in BE with 2 home losses. February peaking redux? :)
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Ron Artesticles on January 06, 2015, 11:18:32 PM
0-3 in BE with 2 home losses. February peaking redux? :)

bottom 3 when the dust settles?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 11:19:22 PM
Obekpa 5 rebounds, Ennis 8
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: newyorker2586 on January 06, 2015, 11:19:35 PM
baron davis was right
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 11:20:06 PM
well we've done two 180's. Back to square one. Conference is good this year, too bad. On to providence.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: P1NSTR1PEZ on January 06, 2015, 11:20:19 PM
St. John's is getting embarrassed EVERY FREAKING TRIP DOWN THE COURT.

IF THIS ISN'T AN INDICTMENT ON THE HORRENDOUS HEAD COACH, THE LACK OF TALENT HE HAS RECRUITED HERE, THE LACK OF DEPTH HE HAS RECRUITED HERE, AND THE LACK OF A GAMEPLAN THAT HE HAS EMBEDDED THAN WHAT ELSE IS THERE?!?!??!

IT'S SICKENING TO WATCH
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Ron Artesticles on January 06, 2015, 11:21:10 PM
this is a #$%^ing joke.

yet Lav feels "no pressure to win"
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 11:21:40 PM
Some really shitty calls against us right now...

Nova 16 fouls SJU 16 fouls
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: upstate32 on January 06, 2015, 11:22:40 PM
Someone needs to show Jamal the tape of this 2nd half.  That's now he needs to play on offense the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Ron Artesticles on January 06, 2015, 11:23:25 PM
#whynot?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 11:23:32 PM
put the quitter on the bench

I used to like Sheed, tonight, he became my most hated sju player of all time.

He has having a bad game. A very very bad game. What do you think he through the game or something?

You know, never mind, I just saw some disgusting plays down the stretch.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 06, 2015, 11:23:33 PM
St. John's is getting embarrassed EVERY FREAKING TRIP DOWN THE COURT.

IF THIS ISN'T AN INDICTMENT ON THE HORRENDOUS HEAD COACH, THE LACK OF TALENT HE HAS RECRUITED HERE, THE LACK OF DEPTH HE HAS RECRUITED HERE, AND THE LACK OF A GAMEPLAN THAT HE HAS EMBEDDED THAN WHAT ELSE IS THERE?!?!??!

The former two are more like it, IMO.  The latter didn't have anything to do with tonight, as far as I'm concerned. 

This has the look of a long season, as the conference seems to be good.  A long way to go, but it's looking bleak.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 11:24:02 PM
well we've done two 180's. Back to square one. Conference is good this year, too bad. On to providence.

No Tulanes, Fordhams  or NJITs in the big east
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Ron Artesticles on January 06, 2015, 11:24:48 PM
put the quitter on the bench

I used to like Sheed, tonight, he became my most hated sju player of all time.

He has having a bad game. A very very bad game. What do you think he through the game or something?

You know, never mind, I just saw some disgusting plays down the stretch.
#whynot?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: newyorker2586 on January 06, 2015, 11:27:55 PM
we could start off 0-6 this year
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Ron Artesticles on January 06, 2015, 11:28:39 PM
#NBA #whynot #unfinishedbusiness
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: bball purist on January 06, 2015, 11:29:45 PM
well we've done two 180's. Back to square one. Conference is good this year, too bad. On to providence.

No Tulanes, Fordhams  or NJITs in the big east
tonight is why no Jordan, or not there Jordan, is big trouble for many Beast games.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Ron Artesticles on January 06, 2015, 11:30:20 PM
well we've done two 180's. Back to square one. Conference is good this year, too bad. On to providence.

No Tulanes, Fordhams  or NJITs in the big east
tonight is why no Jordan, or not there Jordan, is big trouble for many Beast games.
#whynot?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: newyorker2586 on January 06, 2015, 11:31:21 PM
good luck to rysheed in qatar
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: 0404 on January 06, 2015, 11:31:38 PM
I feel so bad for Harrison. Why can't all of our players have his competitive drive?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: redstorm89 on January 06, 2015, 11:31:42 PM
jordan  should stayed in philly. no point of playing if you are not going to contribute anything .
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Ron Artesticles on January 06, 2015, 11:32:50 PM
good luck to rysheed in qatar

#whynot?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Ron Artesticles on January 06, 2015, 11:33:08 PM
jordan  should stayed in philly. no point of playing if you are not going to contribute anything .

#whynot?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: newyorker2586 on January 06, 2015, 11:33:24 PM
i feel bad for D'Lo,  has turned into a solid player too bad he has no help
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 06, 2015, 11:33:35 PM
this is a #$%^ing joke.

yet Lav feels "no pressure to win"

Why would he feel any pressure? Fans are the biggest enablers
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: newyorker2586 on January 06, 2015, 11:37:03 PM
I hate Villanova they own us
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 06, 2015, 11:42:38 PM
i feel bad for D'Lo,  has turned into a solid player too bad he has no help

He turned into a solid player the minute he put a St. John's Jersey on. Hes turned into a tremendous player this season.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: cjfish on January 06, 2015, 11:48:31 PM
Shouldn't we have some size like Delarosa in there while O'Bekpa is out? I would rather be resting O'Bekpa and one of our guards right now.

I agree. They can score at will with Obekpa out.

DEfense overplays which is smart with our speed.... with CO back there it works....with no shotblocker it can get porous
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Poison on January 06, 2015, 11:56:43 PM
It's just one game. They played very well for 30 minutes. Jordan, hopefully is just an emotional mess, and he'll calm down. Jones can't be out there. He isn't able to play at this level. He's a D2 player. There is a 6'7 walk on that looked good in practice. Give him Jones' minutes. All of them.

I thought we committed some stupid ticky tack fouls in the first half and it bit us in the second half. Obekpa really has improved, but he faced a pro big man today, and he got beat bad. He's coming back next year. He's not a pro yet.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: desco80 on January 07, 2015, 12:07:04 AM
Dangelo was phenomenal. His midrange game is a work of art.   Truly an elite skill, and it's fun to watch.  He is the definition of a crafty offensive player.

Jordan sucked.  Not much else to say. 

Lavin also sucked.  And not for anything in particular he did in this game, although I would have played Delarosa or Jones more when we were getting killed on the boards, despite the fact that they have very limited skill.
But SL cost us a chance in this game because we don't have a serviceable player above 6"5 besides Obekpa.   
You cannot play a full season with only one Center or powerforward.  And that's what we've been trying to do. Dom has given his all, but he's a wing, not a front court player.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: cjfish on January 07, 2015, 12:07:51 AM
It's just one game. They played very well for 30 minutes. Jordan, hopefully is just an emotional mess, and he'll calm down. Jones can't be out there. He isn't able to play at this level. He's a D2 player. There is a 6'7 walk on that looked good in practice. Give him Jones' minutes. All of them.

I thought we committed some stupid ticky tack fouls in the first half and it bit us in the second half. Obekpa really has improved, but he faced a pro big man today, and he got beat bad. He's coming back next year. He's not a pro yet.


You are right on point....30 good minutes.....problem is what was gonna kill us would happen late.  CO simply can not handle big bigs, cant handle wide Charles Barkley-like asses...he gets pinned and is in trouble, which means he fouls....which means he is not there to anchor the D re overplay coverage....no bench leads to a tired last 10.....re next year, looks like CO and Jordan will be back given their play (Jordan of course could leave for a variety of reasons not connected to his play)    If Jordan practices for the next week things may improve.  Meanwhile, what about Jones...way to go up strong.....need to see more Joey D,  like to see him in there using 3 or 4 fouls as needed and taking up space.  Right now I make it even money we go 9-9 if there is no more drama.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: paultzman on January 07, 2015, 12:16:09 AM
It's just one game. They played very well for 30 minutes. Jordan, hopefully is just an emotional mess, and he'll calm down. Jones can't be out there. He isn't able to play at this level. He's a D2 player. There is a 6'7 walk on that looked good in practice. Give him Jones' minutes. All of them.

I thought we committed some stupid ticky tack fouls in the first half and it bit us in the second half. Obekpa really has improved, but he faced a pro big man today, and he got beat bad. He's coming back next year. He's not a pro yet.


You are right on point....30 good minutes.....problem is what was gonna kill us would happen late.  CO simply can not handle big bigs, cant handle wide Charles Barkley-like asses...he gets pinned and is in trouble, which means he fouls....which means he is not there to anchor the D re overplay coverage....no bench leads to a tired last 10.....re next year, looks like CO and Jordan will be back given their play (Jordan of course could leave for a variety of reasons not connected to his play)    If Jordan practices for the next week things may improve.  Meanwhile, what about Jones...way to go up strong.....need to see more Joey D,  like to see him in there using 3 or 4 fouls as needed and taking up space.  Right now I make it even money we go 9-9 if there is no more drama.
And 9-9 gets us where?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: TONYD3 on January 07, 2015, 12:17:08 AM
jones is awful . Not his fault we lost . They played great. But jones is awful .
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Poison on January 07, 2015, 12:30:07 AM
It's just one game. They played very well for 30 minutes. Jordan, hopefully is just an emotional mess, and he'll calm down. Jones can't be out there. He isn't able to play at this level. He's a D2 player. There is a 6'7 walk on that looked good in practice. Give him Jones' minutes. All of them.

I thought we committed some stupid ticky tack fouls in the first half and it bit us in the second half. Obekpa really has improved, but he faced a pro big man today, and he got beat bad. He's coming back next year. He's not a pro yet.


You are right on point....30 good minutes.....problem is what was gonna kill us would happen late.  CO simply can not handle big bigs, cant handle wide Charles Barkley-like asses...he gets pinned and is in trouble, which means he fouls....which means he is not there to anchor the D re overplay coverage....no bench leads to a tired last 10.....re next year, looks like CO and Jordan will be back given their play (Jordan of course could leave for a variety of reasons not connected to his play)    If Jordan practices for the next week things may improve.  Meanwhile, what about Jones...way to go up strong.....need to see more Joey D,  like to see him in there using 3 or 4 fouls as needed and taking up space.  Right now I make it even money we go 9-9 if there is no more drama.
And 9-9 gets us where?

On the bubble, w a shot
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: STJ11Redmen on January 07, 2015, 12:35:26 AM
Dangelo was phenomenal. His midrange game is a work of art.   Truly an elite skill, and it's fun to watch.  He is the definition of a crafty offensive player.

Jordan sucked.  Not much else to say. 

Lavin also sucked.  And not for anything in particular he did in this game, although I would have played Delarosa or Jones more when we were getting killed on the boards, despite the fact that they have very limited skill.
But SL cost us a chance in this game because we don't have a serviceable player above 6"5 besides Obekpa.   
You cannot play a full season with only one Center or powerforward.  And that's what we've been trying to do. Dom has given his all, but he's a wing, not a front court player.


This sums my thoughts up perfectly.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Ron Artesticles on January 07, 2015, 12:52:43 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/g2jB5tC.png)

#whynot
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Celtics11 on January 07, 2015, 01:37:20 AM
But going where? Home?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Snazzy on January 07, 2015, 01:52:59 AM
The only thing going for St johns is they have a week off to rest. And if you look at their next eight games in BE play all seem winnable even with 6 men. They seem to all come against opponents that we match up well(errr..OK) against. 6-2 in their next eight conference games doesnt seem out of the question. That would get them to 6-5 with a tough finish to the schedule. Trying to be optimistic with my first post :)


And btw,coming from someone at the game Black Jesus looked like a stud tonight. Loved his hustle and demeanor.
#why.....
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marillac on January 07, 2015, 03:27:32 AM
The only thing going for St johns is they have a week off to rest. And if you look at their next eight games in BE play all seem winnable even with 6 men. They seem to all come against opponents that we match up well(errr..OK) against. 6-2 in their next eight conference games doesnt seem out of the question. That would get them to 6-5 with a tough finish to the schedule. Trying to be optimistic with my first post :)


And btw,coming from someone at the game Black Jesus looked like a stud tonight. Loved his hustle and demeanor.
#why.....

Finally a much needed rest.  4 games in ten days against teams with 11 or more wins while dealing with this whole Rysheed Jordan saga. The week of practice without class will be huge for this team. 

A solid RPI and a respectable 11-4 record against a very tough schedule:

#7 Gonzaga 14-1
#8 Villanova 14-1
#19 Seton Hall 12-2
St. Mary's 12-3  (4-0 in WCC, 6-0 since losing to us)
Tulane 11-3  (Just beat Memphis for second road win to start AAC 2-0)
Syracuse  10-4
Minnesota  11-5
#28 Butler 11-5

Even NJIT won @ Michigan, Long Beach State beat Xavier, and FDU won @ St. Joe's.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: goredmen on January 07, 2015, 03:29:54 AM
It's just one game. They played very well for 30 minutes. Jordan, hopefully is just an emotional mess, and he'll calm down. Jones can't be out there. He isn't able to play at this level. He's a D2 player. There is a 6'7 walk on that looked good in practice. Give him Jones' minutes. All of them.

I thought we committed some stupid ticky tack fouls in the first half and it bit us in the second half. Obekpa really has improved, but he faced a pro big man today, and he got beat bad. He's coming back next year. He's not a pro yet.


You are right on point....30 good minutes.....problem is what was gonna kill us would happen late.  CO simply can not handle big bigs, cant handle wide Charles Barkley-like asses...he gets pinned and is in trouble, which means he fouls....which means he is not there to anchor the D re overplay coverage....no bench leads to a tired last 10.....re next year, looks like CO and Jordan will be back given their play (Jordan of course could leave for a variety of reasons not connected to his play)    If Jordan practices for the next week things may improve.  Meanwhile, what about Jones...way to go up strong.....need to see more Joey D,  like to see him in there using 3 or 4 fouls as needed and taking up space.  Right now I make it even money we go 9-9 if there is no more drama.
And 9-9 gets us where?

We would have to make it to Saturday in the BET to have a chance to get in at 9-9
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Dan on January 07, 2015, 07:01:56 AM
The only thing going for St johns is they have a week off to rest. And if you look at their next eight games in BE play all seem winnable even with 6 men. They seem to all come against opponents that we match up well(errr..OK) against. 6-2 in their next eight conference games doesnt seem out of the question. That would get them to 6-5 with a tough finish to the schedule. Trying to be optimistic with my first post :)


And btw,coming from someone at the game Black Jesus looked like a stud tonight. Loved his hustle and demeanor.
#why.....

Finally a much needed rest.  4 games in ten days against teams with 11 or more wins while dealing with this whole Rysheed Jordan saga. The week of practice without class will be huge for this team. 

A solid RPI and a respectable 11-4 record against a very tough schedule:

#7 Gonzaga 14-1
#8 Villanova 14-1
#19 Seton Hall 12-2
St. Mary's 12-3  (4-0 in WCC, 6-0 since losing to us)
Tulane 11-3  (Just beat Memphis for second road win to start AAC 2-0)
Syracuse  10-4
Minnesota  11-5
#28 Butler 11-5

Even NJIT won @ Michigan, Long Beach State beat Xavier, and FDU won @ St. Joe's.

Talk about an enabler. How is this any different when all the Yesmen (yourself included) praised norm for winning games against the little sisters of the poor in non conference play/this year it'll be different in conference play and then continued to get shellacked. 0-3 in conference play. A respectable schedule also means nothing if you can't beat any of those teams. Just shows the committee that you've built your resume on beating cupcakes. Syracuse has a young team and they caught them at the right time...making their best win against Minnesota. Give me a break.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: newsman13 on January 07, 2015, 09:08:37 AM
The only thing going for St johns is they have a week off to rest. And if you look at their next eight games in BE play all seem winnable even with 6 men. They seem to all come against opponents that we match up well(errr..OK) against. 6-2 in their next eight conference games doesnt seem out of the question. That would get them to 6-5 with a tough finish to the schedule. Trying to be optimistic with my first post :)


And btw,coming from someone at the game Black Jesus looked like a stud tonight. Loved his hustle and demeanor.
#why.....

Finally a much needed rest.  4 games in ten days against teams with 11 or more wins while dealing with this whole Rysheed Jordan saga. The week of practice without class will be huge for this team. 

A solid RPI and a respectable 11-4 record against a very tough schedule:

#7 Gonzaga 14-1
#8 Villanova 14-1
#19 Seton Hall 12-2
St. Mary's 12-3  (4-0 in WCC, 6-0 since losing to us)
Tulane 11-3  (Just beat Memphis for second road win to start AAC 2-0)
Syracuse  10-4
Minnesota  11-5
#28 Butler 11-5

Even NJIT won @ Michigan, Long Beach State beat Xavier, and FDU won @ St. Joe's.

This is far from a "yesman" post.  The reality is our schedule is difficult.  I don't know what it'll take for us to get back to pre big east form other than Lavin figuring out how to use four players off the bench wisely.  It's sad that he's not fighting hard enough to get Adonis eligible.  I guess he's saving him for next year.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Foad on January 07, 2015, 09:09:20 AM
Some thoughts re Villanova: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: cjfish on January 07, 2015, 09:15:12 AM
It's just one game. They played very well for 30 minutes. Jordan, hopefully is just an emotional mess, and he'll calm down. Jones can't be out there. He isn't able to play at this level. He's a D2 player. There is a 6'7 walk on that looked good in practice. Give him Jones' minutes. All of them.

I thought we committed some stupid ticky tack fouls in the first half and it bit us in the second half. Obekpa really has improved, but he faced a pro big man today, and he got beat bad. He's coming back next year. He's not a pro yet.


You are right on point....30 good minutes.....problem is what was gonna kill us would happen late.  CO simply can not handle big bigs, cant handle wide Charles Barkley-like asses...he gets pinned and is in trouble, which means he fouls....which means he is not there to anchor the D re overplay coverage....no bench leads to a tired last 10.....re next year, looks like CO and Jordan will be back given their play (Jordan of course could leave for a variety of reasons not connected to his play)    If Jordan practices for the next week things may improve.  Meanwhile, what about Jones...way to go up strong.....need to see more Joey D,  like to see him in there using 3 or 4 fouls as needed and taking up space.  Right now I make it even money we go 9-9 if there is no more drama.
And 9-9 gets us where?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 07, 2015, 09:19:27 AM
Some thoughts re Villanova: http://www.bigeastboards.com/

Foad "you're fckn crazy " haha
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: cjfish on January 07, 2015, 09:24:38 AM
It's just one game. They played very well for 30 minutes. Jordan, hopefully is just an emotional mess, and he'll calm down. Jones can't be out there. He isn't able to play at this level. He's a D2 player. There is a 6'7 walk on that looked good in practice. Give him Jones' minutes. All of them.

I thought we committed some stupid ticky tack fouls in the first half and it bit us in the second half. Obekpa really has improved, but he faced a pro big man today, and he got beat bad. He's coming back next year. He's not a pro yet.
It's just one game. They played very well for 30 minutes. Jordan, hopefully is just an emotional mess, and he'll calm down. Jones can't be out there. He isn't able to play at this level. He's a D2 player. There is a 6'7 walk on that looked good in practice. Give him Jones' minutes. All of them.

I thought we committed some stupid ticky tack fouls in the first half and it bit us in the second half. Obekpa really has improved, but he faced a pro big man today, and he got beat bad. He's coming back next year. He's not a pro yet.


You are right on point....30 good minutes.....problem is what was gonna kill us would happen late.  CO simply can not handle big bigs, cant handle wide Charles Barkley-like asses...he gets pinned and is in trouble, which means he fouls....which means he is not there to anchor the D re overplay coverage....no bench leads to a tired last 10.....re next year, looks like CO and Jordan will be back given their play (Jordan of course could leave for a variety of reasons not connected to his play)    If Jordan practices for the next week things may improve.  Meanwhile, what about Jones...way to go up strong.....need to see more Joey D,  like to see him in there using 3 or 4 fouls as needed and taking up space.  Right now I make it even money we go 9-9 if there is no more drama.
And 9-9 gets us where?
Nowhere we want to be....nit.  9-9 is my realistic observation, 10-8 may get us in NCAA, 11-7 definitely.  Id like to be optimistic but CO foul problems and resulting defensive deficiencies will probably be the kiss of death.  WIldcard is the development of Joey, can he bang effectively enough for 10M or so?.  If so, CO problem not as acute.  Jones looks like he will give us little or nothing and Lavin doesn't seem to be pressing the ADR matter.  Too bad because the quickness on this team would and could carry them a long way with just a few bigs.  Our losses are against good teams but eventually we have to get some impressive wins to be considered for NCAA

You are right on point....30 good minutes.....problem is what was gonna kill us would happen late.  CO simply can not handle big bigs, cant handle wide Charles Barkley-like asses...he gets pinned and is in trouble, which means he fouls....which means he is not there to anchor the D re overplay coverage....no bench leads to a tired last 10.....re next year, looks like CO and Jordan will be back given their play (Jordan of course could leave for a variety of reasons not connected to his play)    If Jordan practices for the next week things may improve.  Meanwhile, what about Jones...way to go up strong.....need to see more Joey D,  like to see him in there using 3 or 4 fouls as needed and taking up space.  Right now I make it even money we go 9-9 if there is no more drama.
And 9-9 gets us where?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: cjfish on January 07, 2015, 09:27:51 AM
It's just one game. They played very well for 30 minutes. Jordan, hopefully is just an emotional mess, and he'll calm down. Jones can't be out there. He isn't able to play at this level. He's a D2 player. There is a 6'7 walk on that looked good in practice. Give him Jones' minutes. All of them.

I thought we committed some stupid ticky tack fouls in the first half and it bit us in the second half. Obekpa really has improved, but he faced a pro big man today, and he got beat bad. He's coming back next year. He's not a pro yet.
It's just one game. They played very well for 30 minutes. Jordan, hopefully is just an emotional mess, and he'll calm down. Jones can't be out there. He isn't able to play at this level. He's a D2 player. There is a 6'7 walk on that looked good in practice. Give him Jones' minutes. All of them.

I thought we committed some stupid ticky tack fouls in the first half and it bit us in the second half. Obekpa really has improved, but he faced a pro big man today, and he got beat bad. He's coming back next year. He's not a pro yet.


You are right on point....30 good minutes.....problem is what was gonna kill us would happen late.  CO simply can not handle big bigs, cant handle wide Charles Barkley-like asses...he gets pinned and is in trouble, which means he fouls....which means he is not there to anchor the D re overplay coverage....no bench leads to a tired last 10.....re next year, looks like CO and Jordan will be back given their play (Jordan of course could leave for a variety of reasons not connected to his play)    If Jordan practices for the next week things may improve.  Meanwhile, what about Jones...way to go up strong.....need to see more Joey D,  like to see him in there using 3 or 4 fouls as needed and taking up space.  Right now I make it even money we go 9-9 if there is no more drama.
And 9-9 gets us where?
Nowhere we want to be....nit.  9-9 is my realistic observation, 10-8 may get us in NCAA, 11-7 definitely.  Id like to be optimistic but CO foul problems and resulting defensive deficiencies will probably be the kiss of death.  WIldcard is the development of Joey, can he bang effectively enough for 10M or so?.  If so, CO problem not as acute.  Jones looks like he will give us little or nothing and Lavin doesn't seem to be pressing the ADR matter.  Too bad because the quickness on this team would and could carry them a long way with just a few bigs.  Our losses are against good teams but eventually we have to get some impressive wins to be considered for NCAA

You are right on point....30 good minutes.....problem is what was gonna kill us would happen late.  CO simply can not handle big bigs, cant handle wide Charles Barkley-like asses...he gets pinned and is in trouble, which means he fouls....which means he is not there to anchor the D re overplay coverage....no bench leads to a tired last 10.....re next year, looks like CO and Jordan will be back given their play (Jordan of course could leave for a variety of reasons not connected to his play)    If Jordan practices for the next week things may improve.  Meanwhile, what about Jones...way to go up strong.....need to see more Joey D,  like to see him in there using 3 or 4 fouls as needed and taking up space.  Right now I make it even money we go 9-9 if there is no more drama.
And 9-9 gets us where?
It's just one game. They played very well for 30 minutes. Jordan, hopefully is just an emotional mess, and he'll calm down. Jones can't be out there. He isn't able to play at this level. He's a D2 player. There is a 6'7 walk on that looked good in practice. Give him Jones' minutes. All of them.

I thought we committed some stupid ticky tack fouls in the first half and it bit us in the second half. Obekpa really has improved, but he faced a pro big man today, and he got beat bad. He's coming back next year. He's not a pro yet.


You are right on point....30 good minutes.....problem is what was gonna kill us would happen late.  CO simply can not handle big bigs, cant handle wide Charles Barkley-like asses...he gets pinned and is in trouble, which means he fouls....which means he is not there to anchor the D re overplay coverage....no bench leads to a tired last 10.....re next year, looks like CO and Jordan will be back given their play (Jordan of course could leave for a variety of reasons not connected to his play)    If Jordan practices for the next week things may improve.  Meanwhile, what about Jones...way to go up strong.....need to see more Joey D,  like to see him in there using 3 or 4 fouls as needed and taking up space.  Right now I make it even money we go 9-9 if there is no more drama.
And 9-9 gets us where?

WHoops, bad placement of comment, see above, not optimistic
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Poison on January 07, 2015, 09:34:49 AM
I honestly think this loss isn't as bad as it looks on paper. In 2010/2011 we got blown out constantly. It happens. We're not a juggernaut, and we knew that. Lavin has made progress this year. I don't like that Christian Jones plays, and after the last couple of games, Lavin probably won't either. Next year looks like an absolute disaster, but for now, let's chill out just a little bit. I didn't expect to beat Nova, and give them credit, they took our zone apart because they are coached by a future HOFer, and we ain't.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Poison on January 07, 2015, 09:36:49 AM
The only thing going for St johns is they have a week off to rest. And if you look at their next eight games in BE play all seem winnable even with 6 men. They seem to all come against opponents that we match up well(errr..OK) against. 6-2 in their next eight conference games doesnt seem out of the question. That would get them to 6-5 with a tough finish to the schedule. Trying to be optimistic with my first post :)


And btw,coming from someone at the game Black Jesus looked like a stud tonight. Loved his hustle and demeanor.
#why.....

Finally a much needed rest.  4 games in ten days against teams with 11 or more wins while dealing with this whole Rysheed Jordan saga. The week of practice without class will be huge for this team. 

A solid RPI and a respectable 11-4 record against a very tough schedule:

#7 Gonzaga 14-1
#8 Villanova 14-1
#19 Seton Hall 12-2
St. Mary's 12-3  (4-0 in WCC, 6-0 since losing to us)
Tulane 11-3  (Just beat Memphis for second road win to start AAC 2-0)
Syracuse  10-4
Minnesota  11-5
#28 Butler 11-5

Even NJIT won @ Michigan, Long Beach State beat Xavier, and FDU won @ St. Joe's.

Talk about an enabler. How is this any different when all the Yesmen (yourself included) praised norm for winning games against the little sisters of the poor in non conference play/this year it'll be different in conference play and then continued to get shellacked. 0-3 in conference play. A respectable schedule also means nothing if you can't beat any of those teams. Just shows the committee that you've built your resume on beating cupcakes. Syracuse has a young team and they caught them at the right time...making their best win against Minnesota. Give me a break.

SU doesn't have that young of a team. They have a key injury to an upperclassman, and three upperclassmen who overall simply aren't that good. We have more talent than they do this year. Next year in sure they'll eat us alive.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Tha Kid on January 07, 2015, 09:57:03 AM
I honestly think this loss isn't as bad as it looks on paper. In 2010/2011 we got blown out constantly. It happens. We're not a juggernaut, and we knew that. Lavin has made progress this year. I don't like that Christian Jones plays, and after the last couple of games, Lavin probably won't either. Next year looks like an absolute disaster, but for now, let's chill out just a little bit. I didn't expect to beat Nova, and give them credit, they took our zone apart because they are coached by a future HOFer, and we ain't.

I agree with you Poison, its just a shame that we put ourselves in a hole for the 2nd year in a row.  Butler is the game we should have won.  This loss is just frustrating because of the total unraveling at home, and the fact that it follows the home loss to Butler.

I think we need to go 11-7 in the BE to not worry about needing a win in the BE tourney to make the field of 64+.  That means we need to go 11-4 in conference the rest of the way, with only 7 home games left.  That's somewhat daunting with the depth-less team we have right now.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Spruces2 on January 07, 2015, 10:04:31 AM
Some thoughts re Villanova: http://www.bigeastboards.com/

my favorite is a post on the other site:

L: what's that cloth thing around your neck?
W: ummm...it's a tie.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: SJUFAN on January 07, 2015, 11:27:26 AM
It's just one game. They played very well for 30 minutes. Jordan, hopefully is just an emotional mess, and he'll calm down. Jones can't be out there. He isn't able to play at this level. He's a D2 player. There is a 6'7 walk on that looked good in practice. Give him Jones' minutes. All of them.

I thought we committed some stupid ticky tack fouls in the first half and it bit us in the second half. Obekpa really has improved, but he faced a pro big man today, and he got beat bad. He's coming back next year. He's not a pro yet.


You are right on point....30 good minutes.....problem is what was gonna kill us would happen late.  CO simply can not handle big bigs, cant handle wide Charles Barkley-like asses...he gets pinned and is in trouble, which means he fouls....which means he is not there to anchor the D re overplay coverage....no bench leads to a tired last 10.....re next year, looks like CO and Jordan will be back given their play (Jordan of course could leave for a variety of reasons not connected to his play)    If Jordan practices for the next week things may improve.  Meanwhile, what about Jones...way to go up strong.....need to see more Joey D,  like to see him in there using 3 or 4 fouls as needed and taking up space.  Right now I make it even money we go 9-9 if there is no more drama.
And 9-9 gets us where?

We would have to make it to Saturday in the BET to have a chance to get in at 9-9

I think we finish 10-8 in conference and make some noise in the BE tourney. We should still dance this year. Losing to Butler at home hurt, but Villanova is just better than us. They had 4 players score in double digits and 2 other players scoring 9 each. We just don't have enough players that can be a threat on offense. We need Jordan to get his act together.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: paultzman on January 07, 2015, 11:37:27 AM
It's just one game. They played very well for 30 minutes. Jordan, hopefully is just an emotional mess, and he'll calm down. Jones can't be out there. He isn't able to play at this level. He's a D2 player. There is a 6'7 walk on that looked good in practice. Give him Jones' minutes. All of them.

I thought we committed some stupid ticky tack fouls in the first half and it bit us in the second half. Obekpa really has improved, but he faced a pro big man today, and he got beat bad. He's coming back next year. He's not a pro yet.



You are right on point....30 good minutes.....problem is what was gonna kill us would happen late.  CO simply can not handle big bigs, cant handle wide Charles Barkley-like asses...he gets pinned and is in trouble, which means he fouls....which means he is not there to anchor the D re overplay coverage....no bench leads to a tired last 10.....re next year, looks like CO and Jordan will be back given their play (Jordan of course could leave for a variety of reasons not connected to his play)    If Jordan practices for the next week things may improve.  Meanwhile, what about Jones...way to go up strong.....need to see more Joey D,  like to see him in there using 3 or 4 fouls as needed and taking up space.  Right now I make it even money we go 9-9 if there is no more drama.
And 9-9 gets us where?

We would have to make it to Saturday in the BET to have a chance to get in at 9-9

I think we finish 10-8 in conference and make some noise in the BE tourney. We should still dance this year. Losing to Butler at home hurt, but Villanova is just better than us. They had 4 players score in double digits and 2 other players scoring 9 each. We just don't have enough players that can be a threat on offense. We need Jordan to get his act together.
What SJU does in next two road games should shed light on your prognosis. If they don't fare well in these games, I can't wait for theories of us winning BE Tourney on our home court. :)
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Poison on January 07, 2015, 12:05:42 PM
I honestly think this loss isn't as bad as it looks on paper. In 2010/2011 we got blown out constantly. It happens. We're not a juggernaut, and we knew that. Lavin has made progress this year. I don't like that Christian Jones plays, and after the last couple of games, Lavin probably won't either. Next year looks like an absolute disaster, but for now, let's chill out just a little bit. I didn't expect to beat Nova, and give them credit, they took our zone apart because they are coached by a future HOFer, and we ain't.

I agree with you Poison, its just a shame that we put ourselves in a hole for the 2nd year in a row.  Butler is the game we should have won.  This loss is just frustrating because of the total unraveling at home, and the fact that it follows the home loss to Butler.

I think we need to go 11-7 in the BE to not worry about needing a win in the BE tourney to make the field of 64+.  That means we need to go 11-4 in conference the rest of the way, with only 7 home games left.  That's somewhat daunting with the depth-less team we have right now.

I think 10-8 gets us in. We have a road win at SU, Minnesota, Tulane, LBS and St.Mary's + we made the NIT finals. That's the 2nd best pre season BE resume. It matters.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Gray Chudney on January 07, 2015, 12:51:29 PM
I honestly think this loss isn't as bad as it looks on paper. In 2010/2011 we got blown out constantly. It happens. We're not a juggernaut, and we knew that. Lavin has made progress this year. I don't like that Christian Jones plays, and after the last couple of games, Lavin probably won't either. Next year looks like an absolute disaster, but for now, let's chill out just a little bit. I didn't expect to beat Nova, and give them credit, they took our zone apart because they are coached by a future HOFer, and we ain't.

I agree with you Poison, its just a shame that we put ourselves in a hole for the 2nd year in a row.  Butler is the game we should have won.  This loss is just frustrating because of the total unraveling at home, and the fact that it follows the home loss to Butler.

I think we need to go 11-7 in the BE to not worry about needing a win in the BE tourney to make the field of 64+.  That means we need to go 11-4 in conference the rest of the way, with only 7 home games left.  That's somewhat daunting with the depth-less team we have right now.

I think 10-8 gets us in. We have a road win at SU, Minnesota, Tulane, LBS and St.Mary's + we made the NIT finals. That's the 2nd best pre season BE resume. It matters.

I agree.  I also think 9-9 with a BE tournament win probably gets us in.  Beat DePaul twice, take 3 of 4 from Creighton and Marquette, and we are in decent shape
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: carmineabbatiello on January 07, 2015, 02:01:24 PM
I'm very proud of you guys.  10 pages and not 1 "Miles Stewart is the answer" post.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: goredmen on January 07, 2015, 03:52:27 PM
The unfounded optimism on this board is mind-numbing
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: cjfish on January 07, 2015, 05:07:46 PM
It's just one game. They played very well for 30 minutes. Jordan, hopefully is just an emotional mess, and he'll calm down. Jones can't be out there. He isn't able to play at this level. He's a D2 player. There is a 6'7 walk on that looked good in practice. Give him Jones' minutes. All of them.

I thought we committed some stupid ticky tack fouls in the first half and it bit us in the second half. Obekpa really has improved, but he faced a pro big man today, and he got beat bad. He's coming back next year. He's not a pro yet.



You are right on point....30 good minutes.....problem is what was gonna kill us would happen late.  CO simply can not handle big bigs, cant handle wide Charles Barkley-like asses...he gets pinned and is in trouble, which means he fouls....which means he is not there to anchor the D re overplay coverage....no bench leads to a tired last 10.....re next year, looks like CO and Jordan will be back given their play (Jordan of course could leave for a variety of reasons not connected to his play)    If Jordan practices for the next week things may improve.  Meanwhile, what about Jones...way to go up strong.....need to see more Joey D,  like to see him in there using 3 or 4 fouls as needed and taking up space.  Right now I make it even money we go 9-9 if there is no more drama.
And 9-9 gets us where?

We would have to make it to Saturday in the BET to have a chance to get in at 9-9

I think we finish 10-8 in conference and make some noise in the BE tourney. We should still dance this year. Losing to Butler at home hurt, but Villanova is just better than us. They had 4 players score in double digits and 2 other players scoring 9 each. We just don't have enough players that can be a threat on offense. We need Jordan to get his act together.
What SJU does in next two road games should shed light on your prognosis. If they don't fare well in these games, I can't wait for theories of us winning BE Tourney on our home court. :)

Agreed.  Providence looms very big, we should handle DePaul.  No reason we cant go 5-1 (losing to Duke, lets be realistic) if team holds together and CO doesn't get in early foul trouble. Lets hope Jordan minimizes visits to Philly.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on January 07, 2015, 05:12:12 PM
This week off should do everyone's sanity a couple of favors. I know I need a break.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: carmineabbatiello on January 08, 2015, 12:53:00 AM
Harrison will get 20.  But who can consistently give us 12 points after him?

His name is Phil Green the Fourth.  He's surpassed that figure in 4 of our last 5 contests, including 3 straight BE contests.  Don't you watch the games?
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on January 08, 2015, 06:57:53 AM
Harrison will get 20.  But who can consistently give us 12 points after him?

His name is Phil Green the Fourth.  He's surpassed that figure in 4 of our last 5 contests, including 3 straight BE contests.  Don't you watch the games?

BTW, congrats to phil who scored his 1000th pt in the nova game. 1012 for his career
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: mjdinkins on January 08, 2015, 11:58:59 AM
Harrison will get 20.  But who can consistently give us 12 points after him?

His name is Phil Green the Fourth.  He's surpassed that figure in 4 of our last 5 contests, including 3 straight BE contests.  Don't you watch the games?

Ummmmmmm....  I watch the games, but I also know how to dissect the game, as well.  It takes Greene, as many shots to get that many points.  IMO, it kinda offset things a bit.  He tends to do pound the ball too much and take ill-advised shots.  He's also averaging nearly 12 ppg (11.8 ppg), while taking as many shots (11.9) per game.

D'Angelo Harrison is averaging 20.6 ppg on only 14 shots per outing.  He's maximizing possessions, if you ask me. 

There has been 8 games where Greene hasn't even attempted a FT.  He's only shot over 40% in 6 games.  I'd like to see him attack the basket a bit more, instead of always settling for jumpers.  He could probably be more efficient, and increase his PPG, if he did go to the basket a bit more.

Yeah, I'm glad he's helping in the scoring department.  But I think he could be capable of adding more, if he'd stop settling and go to the basket a bit more. 
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: paultzman on January 08, 2015, 12:39:20 PM
Harrison will get 20.  But who can consistently give us 12 points after him?

His name is Phil Green the Fourth.  He's surpassed that figure in 4 of our last 5 contests, including 3 straight BE contests.  Don't you watch the games?

Ummmmmmm....  I watch the games, but I also know how to dissect the game, as well.  It takes Greene, as many shots to get that many points.  IMO, it kinda offset things a bit.  He tends to do pound the ball too much and take ill-advised shots.  He's also averaging nearly 12 ppg (11.8 ppg), while taking as many shots (11.9) per game.

D'Angelo Harrison is averaging 20.6 ppg on only 14 shots per outing.  He's maximizing possessions, if you ask me. 

There has been 8 games where Greene hasn't even attempted a FT.  He's only shot over 40% in 6 games.  I'd like to see him attack the basket a bit more, instead of always settling for jumpers.  He could probably be more efficient, and increase his PPG, if he did go to the basket a bit more.

Yeah, I'm glad he's helping in the scoring department.  But I think he could be capable of adding more, if he'd stop settling and go to the basket a bit more. 
+1
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: bball purist on January 08, 2015, 12:54:06 PM
Harrison will get 20.  But who can consistently give us 12 points after him?

His name is Phil Green the Fourth.  He's surpassed that figure in 4 of our last 5 contests, including 3 straight BE contests.  Don't you watch the games?

Ummmmmmm....  I watch the games, but I also know how to dissect the game, as well.  It takes Greene, as many shots to get that many points.  IMO, it kinda offset things a bit.  He tends to do pound the ball too much and take ill-advised shots.  He's also averaging nearly 12 ppg (11.8 ppg), while taking as many shots (11.9) per game.

D'Angelo Harrison is averaging 20.6 ppg on only 14 shots per outing.  He's maximizing possessions, if you ask me. 

There has been 8 games where Greene hasn't even attempted a FT.  He's only shot over 40% in 6 games.  I'd like to see him attack the basket a bit more, instead of always settling for jumpers.  He could probably be more efficient, and increase his PPG, if he did go to the basket a bit more.

Yeah, I'm glad he's helping in the scoring department.  But I think he could be capable of adding more, if he'd stop settling and go to the basket a bit more.
MJ - I didn't realize you were back posting here since December. Good to see some posts... I agree about Phil's efficiency. If he works more on that area, he could be even more effective. That double threat will help even more at the end of games.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Foad on January 08, 2015, 12:55:02 PM
There has been 8 games where Greene hasn't even attempted a FT.  He's only shot over 40% in 6 games.  I'd like to see him attack the basket a bit more, instead of always settling for jumpers.  He could probably be more efficient, and increase his PPG, if he did go to the basket a bit more.


178 FG attempts, 19 FT attempts
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on January 08, 2015, 02:37:23 PM
There has been 8 games where Greene hasn't even attempted a FT.  He's only shot over 40% in 6 games.  I'd like to see him attack the basket a bit more, instead of always settling for jumpers.  He could probably be more efficient, and increase his PPG, if he did go to the basket a bit more.


178 FG attempts, 19 FT attempts

He's a jump shooter.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: cjfish on January 08, 2015, 02:51:49 PM
Absolutely, does not shoot well when driving, fading, moving laterally.....needs to be set, at which times his % is excellent.  The way to improve his % is shot selection, stay away from those types of shots when possible, don't look for them. 
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: TONYD3 on January 08, 2015, 03:04:14 PM
There has been 8 games where Greene hasn't even attempted a FT.  He's only shot over 40% in 6 games.  I'd like to see him attack the basket a bit more, instead of always settling for jumpers.  He could probably be more efficient, and increase his PPG, if he did go to the basket a bit more.


178 FG attempts, 19 FT attempts
Wow! That has to be a record
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: carmineabbatiello on January 08, 2015, 04:30:56 PM
Harrison will get 20.  But who can consistently give us 12 points after him?

His name is Phil Green the Fourth.  He's surpassed that figure in 4 of our last 5 contests, including 3 straight BE contests.  Don't you watch the games?

Ummmmmmm....  I watch the games, but I also know how to dissect the game, as well.  It takes Greene, as many shots to get that many points.  IMO, it kinda offset things a bit.  He tends to do pound the ball too much and take ill-advised shots.  He's also averaging nearly 12 ppg (11.8 ppg), while taking as many shots (11.9) per game.

D'Angelo Harrison is averaging 20.6 ppg on only 14 shots per outing.  He's maximizing possessions, if you ask me. 

There has been 8 games where Greene hasn't even attempted a FT.  He's only shot over 40% in 6 games.  I'd like to see him attack the basket a bit more, instead of always settling for jumpers.  He could probably be more efficient, and increase his PPG, if he did go to the basket a bit more.

Yeah, I'm glad he's helping in the scoring department.  But I think he could be capable of adding more, if he'd stop settling and go to the basket a bit more. 

Now hold on one cotton picking minute!  You asked a simple question; ' Who can consistently ( bold - underlined ) give us 12 points after Harrison?'  I simply provided the correct answer.  As rhombus has done just that in 4 out of the last 5 and in every single BE game.

You than took that as a cue to write a Phil Greene bashing soliloquy.  Your choice...but odd.  If you would have asked a different question I would have given you a different correct answer.

P.S.  1)  Mean Joe is at present shooting a higher percentage from the field than 3'lo EVER HAS IN A COMPLETE SEASON!
        2) Triangle never misses a practice, game, class, test, meeting, bus - plays injured, is a great team mate, hustles his a$$ off and never departs mid-season for Chicago.
        3) SYRACUSE!!!

NEXT
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: LowBallJ on January 08, 2015, 05:04:30 PM
PG4 also played his heart out for all of his 37 minutes in the Nova game. He and Pointer are awesome 4 year ROLE players any coach would love to have on their team. Unfortunately for us, they start, have to play 35+ minutes, and are expected to contribute double-digit points each and every night for us to have chance of winning. Phil Greene IV would be the 4th best SG on Nova and be looking to transfer right now.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: TONYD3 on January 08, 2015, 05:07:59 PM
PG4 also played his heart out for all of his 37 minutes in the Nova game. He and Pointer are awesome 4 year ROLE players any coach would love to have on their team. Unfortunately for us, they start, have to play 35+ minutes, and are expected to contribute double-digit points each and every night for us to have chance of winning. Phil Greene IV would be the 4th best SG on Nova and be looking to transfer right now.
Agree but I think they are a little better then that.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 08, 2015, 05:10:52 PM
PG4 also played his heart out for all of his 37 minutes in the Nova game. He and Pointer are awesome 4 year ROLE players any coach would love to have on their team. Unfortunately for us, they start, have to play 35+ minutes, and are expected to contribute double-digit points each and every night for us to have chance of winning. Phil Greene IV would be the 4th best SG on Nova and be looking to transfer right now.

Pointer had a 96 4 star rating out of high school
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: TONYD3 on January 08, 2015, 05:15:38 PM
Love pointer, but he was the most overrated recuit in any sport any year. I like him so much I want a 15 jersey.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 08, 2015, 05:42:10 PM
Love pointer, but he was the most overrated recuit in any sport any year. I like him so much I want a 15 jersey.

Or maybe it's the staffs fault for not developing that talent
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: simplyred on January 08, 2015, 05:50:38 PM
Love pointer, but he was the most overrated recuit in any sport any year. I like him so much I want a 15 jersey.

Or maybe it's the staffs fault for not developing that talent

Pointer can't shoot.  Other than that, he is a good player.  I think his "lack of handle" is greatly exaggerated.  Obviously, he isn't Isaiah Thomas, but...
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: apesNapes on January 08, 2015, 06:00:39 PM
Harrison will get 20.  But who can consistently give us 12 points after him?

His name is Phil Green the Fourth.  He's surpassed that figure in 4 of our last 5 contests, including 3 straight BE contests.  Don't you watch the games?

Ummmmmmm....  I watch the games, but I also know how to dissect the game, as well.  It takes Greene, as many shots to get that many points.  IMO, it kinda offset things a bit.  He tends to do pound the ball too much and take ill-advised shots.  He's also averaging nearly 12 ppg (11.8 ppg), while taking as many shots (11.9) per game.

D'Angelo Harrison is averaging 20.6 ppg on only 14 shots per outing.  He's maximizing possessions, if you ask me. 

There has been 8 games where Greene hasn't even attempted a FT.  He's only shot over 40% in 6 games.  I'd like to see him attack the basket a bit more, instead of always settling for jumpers.  He could probably be more efficient, and increase his PPG, if he did go to the basket a bit more.

Yeah, I'm glad he's helping in the scoring department.  But I think he could be capable of adding more, if he'd stop settling and go to the basket a bit more. 

I think his biggest improvement this year is that he has had the ball in his hands less.  he is still taking shots but is deferring a lot more to branch and jordan to run the offense.  i think telling greene to go to the basket translates to him dribbling in a circle 25 feet from the basket then faking a drive to the hoop before jacking up a two with his foot on the three point line and 25 seconds on the shot clock.  he still did this once on tuesday, but has cut down on it (he still takes frustratingly long twos, but generally branch/jordan have a chance to run a little offense first).
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Foad on January 08, 2015, 09:07:26 PM
There has been 8 games where Greene hasn't even attempted a FT.  He's only shot over 40% in 6 games.  I'd like to see him attack the basket a bit more, instead of always settling for jumpers.  He could probably be more efficient, and increase his PPG, if he did go to the basket a bit more.


178 FG attempts, 19 FT attempts

He's a jump shooter.

He should consider another line of work.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: carmineabbatiello on January 09, 2015, 12:42:02 AM
Averaging 14.4 pts a game on 45% from the field and 37% from 3 in conference play....aaaaaannnddddd....SYRACUSE!!!  :2funny:
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: simplyred on January 09, 2015, 12:46:53 AM
Averaging 14.4 pts a game on 45% from the field and 37% from 3 in conference play....aaaaaannnddddd....SYRACUSE!!!  :2funny:

Can anyone tell me which of the recruits in Lavin's first big class has exceeded expectation more than Phil?

I think Carmine and I are technically Eskimo brothers.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: Ron Artesticles on January 09, 2015, 12:50:41 AM
Averaging 14.4 pts a game on 45% from the field and 37% from 3 in conference play....aaaaaannnddddd....SYRACUSE!!!  :2funny:

Can anyone tell me which of the recruits in Lavin's first big class has exceeded expectation more than Phil?

I think Carmine and I are technically Eskimo brothers.

Harrison? I knew the kid had game, but I didn't know he had top 3 all time SJU game.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: simplyred on January 09, 2015, 12:57:54 AM
Averaging 14.4 pts a game on 45% from the field and 37% from 3 in conference play....aaaaaannnddddd....SYRACUSE!!!  :2funny:

Can anyone tell me which of the recruits in Lavin's first big class has exceeded expectation more than Phil?

I think Carmine and I are technically Eskimo brothers.

Harrison? I knew the kid had game, but I didn't know he had top 3 all time SJU game.

I may concede that one.  I didn't foresee top 3 either but he was expected to be a scorer.  I thought Phil would be a 4 year bench guy, if not a recruited-over transfer.
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: carmineabbatiello on January 09, 2015, 01:02:20 AM
Harrison will get 20.  But who can consistently give us 12 points after him?

His name is Phil Green the Fourth.  He's surpassed that figure in 4 of our last 5 contests, including 3 straight BE contests.  Don't you watch the games?

BTW, congrats to phil who scored his 1000th pt in the nova game. 1012 for his career

Congrats Phil! Much respect!

You have just passed JB1 to be the 47th highest scorer in St. John's history!
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: ras on January 09, 2015, 10:52:23 AM
Averaging 14.4 pts a game on 45% from the field and 37% from 3 in conference play....aaaaaannnddddd....SYRACUSE!!!  :2funny:

Can anyone tell me which of the recruits in Lavin's first big class has exceeded expectation more than Phil?

I think Carmine and I are technically Eskimo brothers.
. Mo . Who would have thought he'd be one and done. Greene had a pretty high ranking from ESPN. Right outside top 100 w scouts grade  of about 89.90. I
Title: Re: Villanova game thread
Post by: carmineabbatiello on January 09, 2015, 02:01:24 PM
I think Carmine and I are technically Eskimo brothers.

Yes dear brother, please stop by the igloo for a whale blubber feast.  The hunt was good this year.  Don't forget to wear your mukluks as it's snowing out.