5 Predictions for the 19-20 season

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Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #40 on: September 21, 2019, 11:29:41 PM »
Say what you want dummy, but every regular poster here recognizes that I'm a national treasure. Even the people who hate me for what I say how I say what I'm saying and how I'm saying it love me for what I am. Or since you're from Arkansas, were.
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Frankly, your schtick is getting old.  CMA is the new face of the program.  We are St John's fans.  We should all support him or move on and root for another program.

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Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #41 on: September 22, 2019, 08:50:39 AM »
Seton hall just finished their most successful 4 seasons since the early 90’s. They have won 20 plus 4 years in a row. Plus a big east championship. They are projected either 1/2 to finish this year in the big east and a 3 seed in the tournament. Our lovable wordsmith isn’t interested in that. Instead he wants a few more years of Greg St. Jean. Can’t make this shit up.
Our last 2 recruits were hardly 2 star players. Can’t use that argument anymore.
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Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #42 on: September 22, 2019, 09:04:47 AM »
Frankly, your schtick is getting old. 

Then how do you explain all those Miss Congeniality trophies on my mantle?

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Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #43 on: September 22, 2019, 07:31:31 PM »
Seton hall just finished their most successful 4 seasons since the early 90’s. Mmm mmm.

I recall from last year that you were a SH fan, from when you started posting reguarly on the Pirate board when SJ was ranked in the top 25 after winning 12 straight games which winning made basketball not fun for you anymore. Thanks for the history lesson, which history I've <hosed> in the interest of brevity.

It's fortunate that when Willard was 30-60 in conference after his first five years at SH and had had only one winning season and a sub 500 record in toto that you counseled patience: trust the process you said. Just as you did when SH won 13 games with two future NBA players on the roster and then a couple of years later when he went 3-15 in the BE: rightfully you poo poo-ed the naysayers. And when Sterling Gibbs transferred out and Jeff Robinson also and when former top 30 recruit Herb Pope assaulted various student athletes before ending up in prison you rightly pointed out that transfer U was a misnomer and none of that was the staff's fault, especially not the felonies, that these things happen all the time in college basketball, that it's the cost of doing business if you want to be a big time program. And now having supported him through thick and thin and maybe even thinner you've finally been proven right, the great Kevin Willard having won a single NCAA game in a mere nine years, nearly equalling the great Tommy Amaker - hewasthisclose - and tieing the phenomenal Louis Orr. Sweet vindication for a national powerhouse. And for you.

That Seton Hall has won two NCCA games in six appearances since the 2001 season and that they've been over that period slightly more successful than the laughingstock that is Saint John's is no matter. They are what we aspire to be, a team that's won almost nothing since forever. You've been proven right again, even if you do say so yourself. Mmm mmm.

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Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #44 on: September 23, 2019, 02:39:02 PM »
I recall from last year that you were a SH fan, from when you started posting reguarly on the Pirate board when SJ was ranked in the top 25 after winning 12 straight games which winning made basketball not fun for you anymore. Thanks for the history lesson, which history I've <hosed> in the interest of brevity.

It's fortunate that when Willard was 30-60 in conference after his first five years at SH and had had only one winning season and a sub 500 record in toto that you counseled patience: trust the process you said. Just as you did when SH won 13 games with two future NBA players on the roster and then a couple of years later when he went 3-15 in the BE: rightfully you poo poo-ed the naysayers. And when Sterling Gibbs transferred out and Jeff Robinson also and when former top 30 recruit Herb Pope assaulted various student athletes before ending up in prison you rightly pointed out that transfer U was a misnomer and none of that was the staff's fault, especially not the felonies, that these things happen all the time in college basketball, that it's the cost of doing business if you want to be a big time program. And now having supported him through thick and thin and maybe even thinner you've finally been proven right, the great Kevin Willard having won a single NCAA game in a mere nine years, nearly equalling the great Tommy Amaker - hewasthisclose - and tieing the phenomenal Louis Orr. Sweet vindication for a national powerhouse. And for you.

That Seton Hall has won two NCCA games in six appearances since the 2001 season and that they've been over that period slightly more successful than the laughingstock that is Saint John's is no matter. They are what we aspire to be, a team that's won almost nothing since forever. You've been proven right again, even if you do say so yourself. Mmm mmm.
Last year I made one post on seton hall’s board. I asked where was the best place to go watch the college football playoff game before the St. John’s seton hall game. I did also agree that St. John’s ran a play ground offense. I have been saying that on here for 4 years. Don’t understand your point.
At 12-0 I knew we were a paper champion and that’s not fun. It was clear we had talent. It was obvious St. Jean wasn’t able to coach. In our first 12 games we played well in like 2 of them. Again I don’t see your point.
Honestly 6 years ago I thought seton hall would never compete again. Just like i thought we would never be a laughing stock again. At 30-60 I didn’t believe in Kevin Williard. Clearly I was wrong. After about 15 minutes of watching the hero I knew he Couldn’t win.

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Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #45 on: September 23, 2019, 03:49:35 PM »
Don’t understand your point.

As the proud owner of a regents diploma in earth science I'm sure you're aware that various species of monkeys display colorful posteriors as a means of attracting attention from the opposite sex. Here for example is is a bonobo presenting:


and here a baboon



Sometimes I think that's what you do when you engage with me: you make statements that are designed to encourage me to bury my rhetorical appendage in your rhetorical posterior. Like here when you say "Don’t understand your point," the obvious reply being of course you don't, I was employing sarcasm and sarcasm is wasted on the stupid and you'd have a hard time competing on Are You Smarter Than An Earth Grader.

But in the interest of comity I'm not going to say that. Instead I'll explain my point, in the interest of educating you, just as you educate the precious charges you instruct in the finer points of field hockey and dodgeball. Just this once, in honor of the solstice, which I'm pretty sure there was a question about on the 1978 and since it was multiple choice you had a 25 percent chance of answering correctly. Viz.:

I, in analyzing a post by Mrs Anderson in which Mrs Anderson opined that Coach Third Choice is such a bad coach that he's only going to be able to beat teams that he has more talent than opined in turn that he's unlikely to be very successful at St John's, because he's never going to recruit as well as teams that historically have recruited better than St John's - Villanova, G'town, Marquette and Xavier I'd say - and that furthermore the various coaches in the Big East who are superior tacticians - Wright, Cooley, McDermott - are not going to be too worried about CTC's fugazi system. Which then I said leaves us about at the level of Seton Hall, a team that has won one NCAA tounament game in nine years under Kevin Willard, who other than floor slapping dope Stove Wojewinski has done less with more than any coach in the Big East. And then you injected: Bwah! Seton Hall has just had their best four years since PJ Carlisimo was coach. The answer to which is: who care? Seton Hall and Kevin Willard are mediocrities, they've won one more tournament game in the past 10 years than has St John's and St John's is a national laughingstock. The larger point being that five years ago you'd have been sitting shitting on the LIRR posting about how Kevin Willard was a loser who must be fired because he had no chance of being successful, which you knew because you teach fifth grade gym. Because you rarely know what you're talking about and on those rare occasions when you do are too uneducated to express compellingly or coherently. Which brings us back to DOH!, which is you directing a conversation about CTC and Seton Hall back to your bugbear Chris Mullin, which who cares about Chris Mullin, he's no longer the coach. Get the point now dummy, or should I draw you a picture.

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Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #46 on: September 23, 2019, 05:04:36 PM »
You should stay away from talking basketball and just call names. Our coach went to the final 4 multiple times and won a national championship as an assistant. As a head coach he had never had a losing record and won in 3 conferences. His “Fugazi” system has worked everywhere he has been and it will work here.
I don’t get your seton hall reference because it makes no sense. Willard took a terrible program and made it nationally relevant. He hasn’t won many NCAA games, but neither has Cooley Or McDermott. So your point makes no sense. At least you tried to make a point.

Coach Anderson did play providence this year. Without Arkansas’s best player, they bullied providence in the NIT. MA’s press didn’t fool Cooley but his athletic tough team beat up on the team that bullied our soft team in the garden.
Creighton and many of the finesse teams from the big east won’t like playing against us. SEC lately has not been as good as the big east. (Besides last year) But the SEC is bigger and more athletic. Our style will be a huge advantage for us.

MA is going to win plenty. Are we going to sweet 16’s every year? Probably not. But this team will be no laughing stock. That is over. Winning 20 plus going to the tournament most years. The NIT the others. Winning home games. Playing a real schedule. Not getting embarrassed every march in our own arena will be fine with me. Every once in a while a special season will happen. I trust this process. Our new coach is doing everything right.

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Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #47 on: September 23, 2019, 05:41:03 PM »
Foady- I say we bet. You name stakes. Anything reasonable will be acceptable to me.  Last year in a down big east where St. John’s was picked to finish I believe 4th. Lazy ass won 7 big east games. Losing 3 starters i am assuming St. John’s will be preseason 8/9. More then fair line is 6.5 big east wins. Realistically that is a bad line for me. But I will bet you that. Let’s see which of us is full of shit.
Doubt you will accept. Gentlemen’s bet for bragging rights is fine with me to.

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Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #48 on: September 23, 2019, 07:29:49 PM »
<I've taken the liberty of combining your last two posts because the post before this that you deleted where you said you didn't read what I wrote in my last post because it was too stupid for you to read you deleted and I'd already responded to it and trust me my response made you look like more of an imbecile than you usually look like and I don't like wasting precious time typing. Which is not bragging, because even Carmine can make you look like an idiot and Carmine's a nice person. Whereas now you've replied to my post that was so stupid that you couldn't be bothered to read you responded to it twice. So the gloves are on. Or off, depending on our perspective.

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You should stay away from talking basketball and just call names. Our coach went to the final 4 multiple times and won a national championship as an assistant.


Coach Third Choice has never been to a final four as a head coach and otherwise you just described Norm Roberts except that Norm was more sucessful than CTC. Point Bill Self.



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I don’t get your seton hall reference because I am an idiot

Agreed.


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Coach Anderson did play providence this year. Without Arkansas’s best player, they bullied providence in the NIT.

Thanks for rehashing the NIT slingblade. The NIT was relevant 60 years ago. I DGAF about the NIT

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SEC lately has not been as good as the big east.

Exactly, and CTC has made the tournament three times in eight years in the SEC, which is one more time than SJ. I don't want to challenge your math skills but what's two divided by three? Or one divided by two? Or X divided by earth science? Whereas Coach Cooley has made the NCAAs 5 times in 8 years which carry the one makes you a bit of a nice person. 


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(Besides last year) But the SEC is bigger and more athletic. Our style will be a huge advantage for us.

So the SEC is not as good as the BE but it's bigger and more athletic and the SEC style will be a huge advantage in the BE, which is better than the SEC? See also, brain injury, I have a.


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But this team will be no laughing stock.

But you will continue to be.

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Foady- I say we bet. You name stakes. Anything reasonable will be acceptable to me.  Last year in a down big east where St. John’s was picked to finish I believe 4th. Lazy ass won 7 big east games. Losing 3 starters i am assuming St. John’s will be preseason 8/9. More then fair line is 6.5 big east wins. Realistically that is a bad line for me. But I will bet you that. Let’s see which of us is full of shit. Doubt you will accept. Gentlemen’s bet for bragging rights is fine with me to.

So you have so much faith in the great CTC that you think he'll win carry the one six of 18 BE games!? Wow, that's nearly 34 percent, that's carry the one, 6-12, WOW! that's Kevin Wilard territory! I'd have to be as stupid as you to take that bet and I have rocks in my yard that are smarter than that. If CTC goes .500 in the BE I'll make a novena, how about that we don't have to bet because I'm pretty particular about whom I gamble with and note the correct usage of whom, not that you'd notice because you're an imbecile.

Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #49 on: September 23, 2019, 09:23:50 PM »
because even Carmine can make you look like an idiot and Carmine's a nice person.
Thanks Doc.  Or should I say - thanks National Treasure.

Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #50 on: September 23, 2019, 11:32:01 PM »
Mike Anderson is a decent coach, def better than most give him credit for, you don’t win 369 games in 17 seasons by accident. 9 tourneys in 17 seasons isn’t horrible either but could be better. I just believe his style will do wonders in the Big East, took down Seton Hall in the NCAA tourney in 2017, Killed providence last year in the NIT, Providence was SOOO slow compared to Arkansas, they couldn’t keep up. And especially since the Conference tourney is in the Garden, I see Anderson doing really well there because his games at home are like 80% overall. Rarely loses at home if he has a decent crowd.

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Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #51 on: September 24, 2019, 04:16:18 PM »
Mike Anderson is a decent coach, def better than most give him credit for, you don’t win 369 games in 17 seasons by accident. 9 tourneys in 17 seasons isn’t horrible either but could be better. I just believe his style will do wonders in the Big East, took down Seton Hall in the NCAA tourney in 2017, Killed providence last year in the NIT, Providence was SOOO slow compared to Arkansas, they couldn’t keep up. And especially since the Conference tourney is in the Garden, I see Anderson doing really well there because his games at home are like 80% overall. Rarely loses at home if he has a decent crowd.


I am a fair man and this is a fair post so I'm willing to say that. Obviously based upon his track record CTC is a "decent" coach - and perhaps better than that - and the odds are fair that he'll be decent at SJ as well. But I'm also a SJ fan and I know from bitter experience that no one excels at SJ, no matter how decent they were, once.

I'm not impressed that he beat PU on a night that PU shot 13 percent from three or SH on a night that shot 30 percent from three that other year and I notice that you conveniently failed to mention that Butler kicked the shit out of ARK  in 2018 and Butler stinks. But these things are anecdotal.

Here are the things that give me pause. That CTC's system will not flummox the coaches in the league who either recruit better than he does or are smarter than he is. Which is a bunch of them. That CTC is a lackadaisical recruiter, and that's not me talking, that's a herd of Arkansas fans, and you say that CTC is only going to beat teams that he has more talent than. That SJ does not have a significant home field advantage at MSG, where most of the important games will be played, including the BE tournament because most teams in the BE travel well. And perhaps most importantly that SJ is a snake bit program and that Jamaica is where coaching careers come to die.

I do not wish that CTC fails. But I expect him to. Because that's what SJ's coaches do. They fail. If he bucks the odds I'll be pleasantly surprised. If he doesn't I'm resigned to it. As usual, YMMV.

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Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #52 on: September 24, 2019, 04:26:14 PM »

I am a fair man and this is a fair post so I'm willing to say that. Obviously based upon his track record CTC is a "decent" coach - and perhaps better than that - and the odds are fair that he'll be decent at SJ as well. But I'm also a SJ fan and I know from bitter experience that no one excels at SJ, no matter how decent they were, once.

I'm not impressed that he beat PU on a night that PU shot 13 percent from three or SH on a night that shot 30 percent from three that other year and I notice that you conveniently failed to mention that Butler kicked the shit out of ARK  in 2018 and Butler stinks. But these things are anecdotal.

Here are the things that give me pause. That CTC's system will not flummox the coaches in the league who either recruit better than he does or are smarter than he is. Which is a bunch of them. That CTC is a lackadaisical recruiter, and that's not me talking, that's a herd of Arkansas fans, and you say that CTC is only going to beat teams that he has more talent than. That SJ does not have a significant home field advantage at MSG, where most of the important games will be played, including the BE tournament because most teams in the BE travel well. And perhaps most importantly that SJ is a snake bit program and that Jamaica is where coaching careers come to die.

I do not wish that CTC fails. But I expect him to. Because that's what SJ's coaches do. They fail. If he bucks the odds I'll be pleasantly surprised. If he doesn't I'm resigned to it. As usual, YMMV.

Defense flummoxes all players.

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Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #53 on: September 24, 2019, 06:18:10 PM »
The last and final excuse for lazy coach Mullin is St. John’s is a place where coaching career goes to die. Hysterical!

Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #54 on: September 24, 2019, 06:23:30 PM »
Coach Anderson’s system, never a losing record in D1 men’s basketball, requires coordinated defense and offense energy and bodies. More coaching than we have seen maybe since Dunlap. Which is eight years ago.

St Johns always attracts talent. Professional, successful college coaches...not so much. So far we’ve had good quotes, early morning workouts, and a good start for next year’s recruiting. Roll out the basketballs and let’s get started!

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Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #55 on: September 24, 2019, 06:53:28 PM »
Defense flummoxes all players.

Well not all players. Nobody flummoxed World B Free or Pete Maravich or Earl Monroe or George Gervin. There's a long list of players defense didn't flummox. Fortunately for CTC none of those players are in the BE. But here's a question: if this system - 40 minutes of heck or whatever you want to call it - is so effective and devastating and doesn't require recruiting superior athletes - which is the kind of player all HOF coaches cheat to recruit - why doesn't everyone employ it? That is, why did John Wooden cheat, and Denny Crum and Eddie Sutton and Jerry Tarkanian; and why do Jim Boeheim and Norm Self and Mike Screwshrenki and Johnny Clamchowder and Rick Pitino cheat when all they had to do to achieve the same result was grab a bunch of 2-star athletes off the street and train them to flummox the opposition?

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Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #56 on: September 24, 2019, 06:57:43 PM »
I mostly just sat around out there in the shed, tinkering around with a lawn mower or two. Went to school off and on from time to time. But the children out there, they were very cruel to me. Made quite a bit of sport of me, made fun of me quite a bit. So mostly, I just sat around out there in the shed. Mmm hmm



Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #57 on: September 24, 2019, 07:48:30 PM »
The last and final excuse for lazy coach Mullin is St. John’s is a place where coaching career goes to die. Hysterical!

You can hardly call what Mullin did at STJ the past 4 years coaching much less classify it as a career. 

Re: 5 Predictions for the 19-20 season
« Reply #58 on: October 01, 2019, 10:08:31 AM »
Every coach since Lou Carnesecca has lost these games. The only coach after Carnesecca to not lose to a no name school in his first season was Mike Jarvis. 

Fran lost to LIU Brooklyn in his first year, but that was actually a good team, with Richie Parker, and the transfer from Rutgers who went on to lead the nation in scoring (I don't remember his name, unfortunately).  They made the NCAA Tournament as a 13 seed that year, which is very good for an NEC team.  We only won 13 games that year, but we played a tough non-conference, and pretty much did as expected in the Big East.

Fran's worst loss came in year two, when Niagara blew us out of MSG, at the Holiday Festival.  I think we were something like +20 on the boards that game, won the turnover battle by around 10, and got killed, because we were ice cold, while Niagara would come down and hit a 3 in something like 5 seconds.  It was brutal to watch, but that year turned around for the better almost immediately after that game.

Jarvis did not start suffering bad losses, until his recruits came on, then it became a common occurrence. Even the Hatten teams, which won their fair share of games, seemed to play better against the good teams, and worse against the bad ones.
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