Boothe must earn minutes

omari played point guard for me the past 4 years. but so did kevin. can omari play the point yes but not on a full term basis. u can have dj, omari, and dwight mix it up. shit be creative. u dont have to bench boothe and stith but take a load off for them when  it gets to hard

  would you let Norm coach for your team???

""omari played point guard for me the past 4 years. but so did kevin. can omari play the point yes but not on a full term basis. u can have dj, omari, and dwight mix it up. shit be creative. u dont have to bench boothe and stith but take a load off for them when  it gets to hard""

exactly, im not saying that omari should be our point guard of the future and be a player to build our team around at the position. but let's realistically look at what we have there now. he's played the position at a high level and has been successful, why not give him some minutes and see what happens. can it really be worse than boothe? at least we're playing 5 on 5 on the offensive end. KOB, nobody would say he's a pure point but from what you've seen, wouldn't you agree it's a decent idea to get him out there for more minutes and experience as opposed to our alternatives. in high school i saw a guy who was a threat getting to the basket and at south kent he had more talent around him and looked to get his teammates involved first, him and parrom were some combination.

look from the bottom of my heart i know for a fact norm can coach he really can. but i think he is a better assistant. than coach.u need to have a type of foresight and swagger to get the most out of ur team. i think he should have started at a mid major and worked his way up. new york is just too hard. the pressure is crazy the people are freaking annoying and impatient. in the big east its a bunch of hall of famers coaching a bunch of pros. its not just norm i dont think this job could have gonne to pecora or any one of those up and coming guys.

sorry about the cursing dave

look from the bottom of my heart i know for a fact norm can coach he really can. but i think he is a better assistant. than coach.u need to have a type of foresight and swagger to get the most out of ur team. i think he should have started at a mid major and worked his way up. new york is just too hard. the pressure is crazy the people are freaking annoying and impatient. in the big east its a bunch of hall of famers coaching a bunch of pros. its not just norm i dont think this job could have gonne to pecora or any one of those up and coming guys.

True words.  I'm not sold on the idea that Norm is the worst coach ever (but he's obviously not the best).  The beginning of the year actually had some good coaching performances.

But should he have started at this level, because of his cleanliness and loyalty?  It's a bad idea.  And being hired for recruiting prowess?  I think a lot of coaches who come in as crack recruiters... well, you gotta coach well and win to get the recruits unless you're really down with the Hurleys, and even then it'll catch up with you.

That said, a better development coach could get more out of the players.  A better x and o's coach would put players in better positions (and probably would correct some correctable mistakes... like all the off-balanced shots and the like).  And I think whoever comes next - if they can get players to score and defend on the level they're coaching at - will improve the product on the floor.

(Once again, I will say: look at what Pecora's doing. Hofstra, once again, is terrible at scoring, and has been since the Loren Stokes teams - the last Agudio team sucked too.)

To each, his or her own (kob and peter)....  Norm may not be the W.C.E, but he's easily one of worst coaches to walk the sidelines in Big East conference history.  The guy cannot make adjustments; his teams consistently seems unprepared; his teams offense usually looks too playground'ish; his teams play some of the worst help defense that you can imagine; his teams big men always seem to get ticky-tack fouls a million feet away from the basket; his teams guards always gets taken to the hole....  Shall I go on?  No offense, as I respect posters comments....  But, I see a lousy head coach, peter and kob.  He is just an asst. coach (as, kob alluded to) and nothing more.  His duties needs to be limited, as little, as possible.  He's had 6 yrs to get this straight.  IMO, that is a year or two than he should've gotten.  So, he's had more than enough time.  He seems too stubborn, which ends up making him make stupid decisions.  Plant Boothe on the bench and give the minutes to Hardy, Omari and Stith.  While you're at it....  Bring in a competent coach and this team competes amongst the top 5 in the conference in '10-'11.

look from the bottom of my heart i know for a fact norm can coach he really can. but i think he is a better assistant. than coach.u need to have a type of foresight and swagger to get the most out of ur team. i think he should have started at a mid major and worked his way up. new york is just too hard. the pressure is crazy the people are freaking annoying and impatient. in the big east its a bunch of hall of famers coaching a bunch of pros. its not just norm i dont think this job could have gonne to pecora or any one of those up and coming guys.

I agree with most of this post.  I think Norm would have done much better if he started in a mid-major and learned from his experiences there.  He has just been in over his head in the Big East.  I think the conference, more so than NYC, is unforgiving.  If you're an unexperienced head coach, those HALL OF FAMERS will most likely smack you around in the recruiting and game preparation end of the job.

I actually think if Norm were to get fired and moved down to a lower conference, he could have some success (ala Gary Waters).  I just think that coaching here, in the Big East is just too big of a mountain for him right now.  I always have, and always will root for Norm (even though I think he should be fired).  He is a great guy with a lot of class, and I would LOVE for him to be the guy that brought us back.  However, it just isn't happening, and enough is enough.  Time for a change.

mayor i dont think he is horriblei think he makes bad decisions. it says alot if u are on bill selfs staff. it means u know ur stuff but that doesnt mean u are automatically big east or acc head coaching material. lets say norm gets let go or whatever i bet u he will get another head coaching job in a mid major learn from his mistakes get better and end up back at another highmajor program and do better than what he is doing here. but he isnt doing well here at this time. but i like him on a personal level

I still think Norm would benefit tremendously by getting a top notch assistant to run the x and o's.

I still think Norm would benefit tremendously by getting a top notch assistant to run the x and o's.

 too late. should have been done 3 years ago. 

Quote from: Dave on January 25, 2010, 12:10:19 AM

I still think Norm would benefit tremendously by getting a top notch assistant to run the x and o's.

 too late. should have been done 3 years ago.

Exactly, boo!  He had a chance to right the ship 2-3 years ago, but he continued with the status quo.  Why keep him here and allow him to bring in someone to DO HIS JOB, Dave?  Let it go, man.....  The guy can't win a recruiting battle nor a basketball game, if his life depended on it.



He could have the Cleveland Cavs team and still would find a way to foul it up.  We're not gonna win anything of merit with this guy, as the coach at St. John's....  So, please let it go, man.

We'll probably never know what Norm could have done with an x and o's coach, unless the administration does something ridiculous like what they should have done last year - ask Norm to bring in some fresh coaches to the staff.  But on the other hand, I think you either let a coach do his thing or decide it doesn't work - it's undermining to put people who are not a coach's guys on the staff.  I don't know that he's only an assistant coach, it's hard to say.  I know his first two teams played some awesome defense and his teams certainly try, even if I'm not sure what they're trying to do.

Basically, that's MAAC/ NEC basketball. 

It's obvious the team needs a new coach I don't think Dave is trying to keep Norm here, or has much say in the matter, btw. If you guys want to buy tickets and go and boo, that's cool; everyone in the league knows the team sucks and it's been a near-decade of sucking. It's up to the administration to cut the cord and try a different direction.

until he does then he has to sit. He's killing us

Agree Dave. Lot of people keep talking about whether a PG can shoot or not. Frankly I wouldn't care if my PG ever takes a shot. His job according to Steve Nash is to feed the ball into opportunities, make everyone better.