As D'angelo Goes... So Goes Our offense

Anybody else notice D'angelo's not looking for his shot as much lately?   You can throw his stats from the Marquette game out because of the foul trouble he was in, but in the the last two games he's getting roughly half as many shots as he had been.  And I don't think it's a coincidence that in these last two games we also failed to score 50 points for the first time all year.  Arguably our best scorer is taking 10+ less shots than he was two weeks ago.

 Here are his combined fg/3pt attempts over the last six games...

UCONN 24 shots
Louisville 24 shots
Cincinnati  24 shots
Marquette - 9 shots
Georgetown 15 shots
USF 12 shots

What changed? And what has to happen to get him back on track?   

He's driving to the hoop too much and not using his outside shot.  He is a good outside shooter when he takes good shots.  He's being too predictable and needs to keep teams honest and look for his outside jumper and midrange more.  Right now, he's playing the game at a pace thats too fast for him.  Earlier when he was scoring more, he played to the proper tempo.  His rhythm is just off IMO.

Need to get Harrison the ball coming off a screen. Has Gift ever set a screen? Setting a pick and executing off it right is a lost art

He's driving to the hoop too much and not using his outside shot.  He is a good outside shooter when he takes good shots.  He's being too predictable and needs to keep teams honest and look for his outside jumper and midrange more.  Right now, he's playing the game at a pace thats too fast for him.  Earlier when he was scoring more, he played to the proper tempo.  His rhythm is just off IMO.

Gift set screens early, but he also picked up 4 or 5 fouls from 'moving screens' - almost like the staff is too afraid of 'wasting' one of his 5 fouls now....

Quote from: MCNPA on January 19, 2012, 04:11:36 AM

He's driving to the hoop too much and not using his outside shot.  He is a good outside shooter when he takes good shots.  He's being too predictable and needs to keep teams honest and look for his outside jumper and midrange more.  Right now, he's playing the game at a pace thats too fast for him.  Earlier when he was scoring more, he played to the proper tempo.  His rhythm is just off IMO.

Gift set screens early, but he also picked up 4 or 5 fouls from 'moving screens' - almost like the staff is too afraid of 'wasting' one of his 5 fouls now....

Maybe. Guess they don't want lose his 4 shot attempts

Need to get Harrison the ball coming off a screen. Has Gift ever set a screen? Setting a pick and executing off it right is a lost art

Gift has to be down low to rebound. Don't agree with keeping him up top to set screens

Anybody else notice D'angelo's not looking for his shot as much lately?   You can throw his stats from the Marquette game out because of the foul trouble he was in, but in the the last two games he's getting roughly half as many shots as he had been.  And I don't think it's a coincidence that in these last two games we also failed to score 50 points for the first time all year.  Arguably our best scorer is taking 10+ less shots than he was two weeks ago.

 Here are his combined fg/3pt attempts over the last six games...

UCONN 24 shots
Louisville 24 shots
Cincinnati  24 shots
Marquette - 9 shots
Georgetown 15 shots
USF 12 shots

What changed? And what has to happen to get him back on track?

In the box score when it says a player was 4-16 from the field and 1 for 8 from three it doesn't mean he took 24 shots. It means he took 16 shots, 8 of which were from three. You're adding them together.

Against Uconn eg DH scored 17 points. He was 8 for 10 from the line (8 points), 1 for 8 from 3 (3 points), and 3 for 8 (4-16 total minus 1-8 from 3 = 3-8 from two) for 6 points. So he took 16 shots and made 4 and scored 17 points: 8 +3 +6 is 17. If he was 4 for 16 from the field and also 1 for 8 from 3 and also 8 for 10 from the foul line he'd have scored 8 + 3 + 8 = 19 points.

So really there's only 6 games where DH took more than the 12 shots he took against Georgetown: 13 vs Detroit and TX Pan Am, 18 vs Louisville and Fordham, 16 versus Uconn, 15 versus USin. The remaining 10 games he took 11 or less shots.

So the answer to your question is: nothing changed. He  fouled out versus UM, he took 12 shots vs Gtown and last night Phil Greene decided to try and score and took away a few of his possessions.

Need to get Harrison the ball coming off a screen. Has Gift ever set a screen? Setting a pick and executing off it right is a lost art

Hard to do when you bein zoned 90% the time.

Corner is where its at fo open threes wit the D we get, but then you have him roamin baseline instead of bein the only real creator up top.

The most effective way to play against any zone defense is to screen the guys on the top of zone and use quick ball movement. Using Harkless to do this would be a very smart move for SJU because he can then be in solid face up position with the ball in the elbow area if the guys on the top of the zone are forced to fight under or over screens.

We didn't play well at all last night but for the the rest of the year, any team that has real length is going to have their way with use, we are just tooo small.

The most effective way to play against any zone defense is to screen the guys on the top of zone and use quick ball movement. Using Harkless to do this would be a very smart move for SJU because he can then be in solid face up position with the ball in the elbow area if the guys on the top of the zone are forced to fight under or over screens.

We didn't play well at all last night but for the the rest of the year, any team that has real length is going to have their way with use, we are just tooo small.

Exactly.  Nothing we could do against a frontline averaging 6'10"

Quote from: desco80 on January 19, 2012, 12:50:29 AM

Anybody else notice D'angelo's not looking for his shot as much lately?   You can throw his stats from the Marquette game out because of the foul trouble he was in, but in the the last two games he's getting roughly half as many shots as he had been.  And I don't think it's a coincidence that in these last two games we also failed to score 50 points for the first time all year.  Arguably our best scorer is taking 10+ less shots than he was two weeks ago.

 Here are his combined fg/3pt attempts over the last six games...

UCONN 24 shots
Louisville 24 shots
Cincinnati  24 shots
Marquette - 9 shots
Georgetown 15 shots
USF 12 shots

What changed? And what has to happen to get him back on track?

In the box score when it says a player was 4-16 from the field and 1 for 8 from three it doesn't mean he took 24 shots. It means he took 16 shots, 8 of which were from three. You're adding them together.

Against Uconn eg DH scored 17 points. He was 8 for 10 from the line (8 points), 1 for 8 from 3 (3 points), and 3 for 8 (4-16 total minus 1-8 from 3 = 3-8 from two) for 6 points. So he took 16 shots and made 4 and scored 17 points: 8 +3 +6 is 17. If he was 4 for 16 from the field and also 1 for 8 from 3 and also 8 for 10 from the foul line he'd have scored 8 + 3 + 8 = 19 points.

So really there's only 6 games where DH took more than the 12 shots he took against Georgetown: 13 vs Detroit and TX Pan Am, 18 vs Louisville and Fordham, 16 versus Uconn, 15 versus USin. The remaining 10 games he took 11 or less shots.

So the answer to your question is: nothing changed. He  fouled out versus UM, he took 12 shots vs Gtown and last night Phil Greene decided to try and score and took away a few of his possessions.

Then I stand corrected (and have egg on my face)  I should have known that, and you're correct, the difference isn't as stark as I indicated.  But still, the 7 shots he had last night is less than half of the 16, 18, and 15 attempts he took against UCONN Louisville Cincinnati. 

And the games prior to Detroit were Nuri-ball.   Since then D'angelo's been the driving force of our offense IMO, and the last two games I just see him being less aggressive driving to the rim, and less confident in taking his shot.  And Phil took just as many shots last night as he did in the UConn or Lousiville (8-9) games.   So I'm not sure I would credit it to that.   Regardless though of his # of shots though, I think it's clear Dunlap has to get D'angelo better scoring looks than he has been as of late.    Personally I like bringing him off screens, or when we're facing a zone; having him play the in-out game with Gift, who usually draws a double the second he puts the ball on the floor and attempts to spin. 

Small sample size, but really I don't think you can ignore the fact that D'angelo shooting less shots than he has since Nuri left and our offense has COMPLETELY stalled the last two games.   Just my opinion, and sorry for the misread on field goal attempts.. that was a forehead slapper.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on January 19, 2012, 05:40:27 AM

Need to get Harrison the ball coming off a screen. Has Gift ever set a screen? Setting a pick and executing off it right is a lost art

Hard to do when you bein zoned 90% the time.

Corner is where its at fo open threes wit the D we get, but then you have him roamin baseline instead of bein the only real creator up top.

True.  Makes it difficult when he's asked to be the primary ball handler.   Another reason why Branch will be a big addition when he suits up next year. 

DeLo isn't getting the open looks he was because teams know him.  Gtown was guarding him like they did Mullin early with one guy marking him.  That's not an accident.  Finally Greene decided to take a few last night and that's critical but our front court bailed.  I don't trecall Harrison getting any screens for quite awhile and we're still allowing too many corner and otherwise threes while not canning any of our own.  We are not going to beat bigger teams driving the ball all night.  Remember when Phil had three threes in a game?  Wha happened to those shots?  I can stand watching immaturity but fear is another thing.  Saw enough of that under Norm.