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Zendon was the most aggravating big to watch in STJ history.  You could make an instructional video of him very easily on how NOT to play in the post.  And I never saw a player give up on plays so badly like him.  He'd go up for a rebound, the ball would get tipped up on the glass, but he would become a spectator after the first tip.  And you would think a long athletic player like him could block a shot once in a while.  Blocked very few shots.

Kyle Cuffe was frustrating too. A 3pt specialist stuck in a power forward body, and yet couldn't hit 3s. Didn't want anything to do with getting dirty in the paint.

Rashawn McLeod was frustrating for a different reason. Completely mis-used here at SJU and only went to win a national championship at Duke.

McLeod was a talent that was Mahoneys fault. Was a nice contributor at Duke getting to 1998 Elite Eight.

McLeod was a talent that was Mahoneys fault. Was a nice contributor at Duke getting to 1998 Elite Eight.

Most of that was on Mahoney, but if you're 6'8, and your coach says get under the basket, you can do it, or you can cry about it. McLeod cried about it. F him.

Quote from: newyorker2586 on April 27, 2016, 05:59:40 PM

McLeod was a talent that was Mahoneys fault. Was a nice contributor at Duke getting to 1998 Elite Eight.

Most of that was on Mahoney, but if you're 6'8, and your coach says get under the basket, you can do it, or you can cry about it. McLeod cried about it. F him.

The anti-McLeod was someone like Charles Minlend, did everything and more of what was asked of him. Great attitude, great Johnnie. He was a pharmacy major, hope he is doing well.

Zendon was the most aggravating big to watch in STJ history.  You could make an instructional video of him very easily on how NOT to play in the post.   

He's the 6th leading scorer; 4th leading rebounder; 1st in FT attempts; and 9th in blocked shot's all-time for the Johnnies. Plus played 6 seasons in the Nba.

That's who you would choose for a video on how not to play the post?  Surely there are far better candidates.
 

It says to me that their country's don't matter as much as their saint john's team. I really think the university's profile is changing for the better , but I'm am a optimist!

Quote from: WillieG on April 27, 2016, 05:19:20 PM

Zendon was the most aggravating big to watch in STJ history.  You could make an instructional video of him very easily on how NOT to play in the post.   

He's the 6th leading scorer; 4th leading rebounder; 1st in FT attempts; and 9th in blocked shot's all-time for the Johnnies. Plus played 6 seasons in the Nba.

That's who you would choose for a video on how not to play the post?  Surely there are far better candidates.

Yeah he had great talent.  Was 6'11", ran the floor like a deer, had great ups, and had a great handle for a big.  But I can't remember worse post moves from a ST. John's big unless you go back to the days of Paul Berwanger.  ( I think that was his name.)  The thing you can say was he was so wild and unorthodox that he did draw a lot of fouls.  But as far as technique goes, nobody should play like that in the post.  If he was three inches shorter or less athletic, he'd have never drawn any fouls.  Don't get to hung up with statistics because few players had his raw abilities.  He played a ton of minutes on three losing teams and a team that lost in the first round of the tourney despite having Lopez, Artest, Grant, Postell et. al.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on April 27, 2016, 10:20:36 PM

Quote from: WillieG on April 27, 2016, 05:19:20 PM

Zendon was the most aggravating big to watch in STJ history.  You could make an instructional video of him very easily on how NOT to play in the post.   

He's the 6th leading scorer; 4th leading rebounder; 1st in FT attempts; and 9th in blocked shot's all-time for the Johnnies. Plus played 6 seasons in the Nba.

That's who you would choose for a video on how not to play the post?  Surely there are far better candidates.

Yeah he had great talent.  Was 6'11", ran the floor like a deer, had great ups, and had a great handle for a big.  But I can't remember worse post moves from a ST. John's big unless you go back to the days of Paul Berwanger.  ( I think that was his name.)  The thing you can say was he was so wild and unorthodox that he did draw a lot of fouls.  But as far as technique goes, nobody should play like that in the post.  If he was three inches shorter or less athletic, he'd have never drawn any fouls.  Don't get to hung up with statistics because few players had his raw abilities.  He played a ton of minutes on three losing teams and a team that lost in the first round of the tourney despite having Lopez, Artest, Grant, Postell et. al.

Hamilton never particularly played to his size, and he'd tend to bring the ball too low and get stripped by smaller players.  I also can't recall ever witnessing a 6'11" guy get his shot blocked so often, either.  Stats doesn't always tell the story, and IMO, I fell out of favor, per his style of play. 

Frankly, I didn't mind seeing him getting some pine (whenever, he was on bench) midway through his (Hamilton's) senior year.  I'd basically had enough of his playing style.  He wasn't a bad player by any means, but his style could be frustrating.

Averaged 20.8 pts and 9.5 rebounds his sophmore year than averaged almost another double double his junior year with 16.2 pts and 9.0.

I can understand how our all too justified self loathing leads us to denigrate our own and be suspicious of everything red and white...but Zendon had a great career here.

Plus SIX Nba seasons.  Proof positive he had game.  Criticism of him is unwarrented.

Quote from: WillieG on April 28, 2016, 03:23:08 PM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on April 27, 2016, 10:20:36 PM

Quote from: WillieG on April 27, 2016, 05:19:20 PM

Zendon was the most aggravating big to watch in STJ history.  You could make an instructional video of him very easily on how NOT to play in the post.   

He's the 6th leading scorer; 4th leading rebounder; 1st in FT attempts; and 9th in blocked shot's all-time for the Johnnies. Plus played 6 seasons in the Nba.

That's who you would choose for a video on how not to play the post?  Surely there are far better candidates.

Yeah he had great talent.  Was 6'11", ran the floor like a deer, had great ups, and had a great handle for a big.  But I can't remember worse post moves from a ST. John's big unless you go back to the days of Paul Berwanger.  ( I think that was his name.)  The thing you can say was he was so wild and unorthodox that he did draw a lot of fouls.  But as far as technique goes, nobody should play like that in the post.  If he was three inches shorter or less athletic, he'd have never drawn any fouls.  Don't get to hung up with statistics because few players had his raw abilities.  He played a ton of minutes on three losing teams and a team that lost in the first round of the tourney despite having Lopez, Artest, Grant, Postell et. al.

Hamilton never particularly played to his size, and he'd tend to bring the ball too low and get stripped by smaller players.  I also can't recall ever witnessing a 6'11" guy get his shot blocked so often, either.  Stats doesn't always tell the story, and IMO, I fell out of favor, per his style of play. 

Frankly, I didn't mind seeing him getting some pine (whenever, he was on bench) midway through his (Hamilton's) senior year.  I'd basically had enough of his playing style.  He wasn't a bad player by any means, but his style could be frustrating.

Wise man MJD.

Quote from: WillieG on April 28, 2016, 03:23:08 PM

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on April 27, 2016, 10:20:36 PM

Quote from: WillieG on April 27, 2016, 05:19:20 PM

Zendon was the most aggravating big to watch in STJ history.  You could make an instructional video of him very easily on how NOT to play in the post.   

He's the 6th leading scorer; 4th leading rebounder; 1st in FT attempts; and 9th in blocked shot's all-time for the Johnnies. Plus played 6 seasons in the Nba.

That's who you would choose for a video on how not to play the post?  Surely there are far better candidates.

Yeah he had great talent.  Was 6'11", ran the floor like a deer, had great ups, and had a great handle for a big.  But I can't remember worse post moves from a ST. John's big unless you go back to the days of Paul Berwanger.  ( I think that was his name.)  The thing you can say was he was so wild and unorthodox that he did draw a lot of fouls.  But as far as technique goes, nobody should play like that in the post.  If he was three inches shorter or less athletic, he'd have never drawn any fouls.  Don't get to hung up with statistics because few players had his raw abilities.  He played a ton of minutes on three losing teams and a team that lost in the first round of the tourney despite having Lopez, Artest, Grant, Postell et. al.

Hamilton never particularly played to his size, and he'd tend to bring the ball too low and get stripped by smaller players.

Yes, that's right MJD.  He'd grab a rebound and bring it down to his waist and then get stripped.  Happened all the time.  It was like he never got the rebound yet it was counted in the box score.  He was a good player overall but I don't think he got drafted at all.  Played parts of six seasons eventually though.  But he was a major disappointment for me, as were the teams he played on.

Wise man MJD.

Yes, that's right MJD.  He'd grab a rebound and bring it down to his waist and then get stripped.  Happened all the time.  It was like he never got the rebound yet it was counted in the box score.  He was a good player overall but I don't think he got drafted at all.  Played parts of six seasons eventually though.  But he was a major disappointment for me, as were the teams he played on.

+1 to both.

He averaged 20.8 pts and 9.5 rebounds one year!  You know how hard that is to do?  In Ewing's best season he averaged 17.7 and 10.2.  I don't care what else he did and didn't do.  You guys are crazy.

He averaged 20.8 pts and 9.5 rebounds one year!  You know how hard that is to do?  In Ewing's best season he averaged 17.7 and 10.2.  I don't care what else he did and didn't do.  You guys are crazy.

+1

A legit Center who played with weak point guards

He averaged 20.8 pts and 9.5 rebounds one year!  You know how hard that is to do?  In Ewing's best season he averaged 17.7 and 10.2.  I don't care what else he did and didn't do.  You guys are crazy.

Zendon could score at times. Offense alone doesn't make you a great player, and in Zendon's case, he was so bad at several aspects of the game, that his offense rarely helped the team win.

He certainly wasn't without ability, but he was a frustrating player to watch because he was so focused on what he wanted to do. He put his head down and ignored the other 4 guys on his team. Yet, he was gifted because he could split the double team and draw the foul with consistently.

Zendon one of the most underrated SJU players I've seen in my lifetime.    Hopes were so high that he and Felipe don't get their due.

But as I pointed out.... the Big East wasn't exactly chop liver those years.     Between Iverson, the UCONN teams with Donny marshall, Ray Allen, Rip hamilton, those John Wallace Cuse teams, Kittles setting every Nova record.. etc.    They faced some tough competition.   A lot of future pros in the conference those years.  94-98.   

Zendon could score at times.

He averaged 20.8 pts in a season and is the 6th leading scorer in program history.  That is not "could score at times".