Christian Jones Status

Jones had no spot on this year's team. He wouldn't have been the difference between a loss and a win in any game this season so why would we have given him minutes over Yakwe, Sima, Owens, Freudenberg. It was best for both him and the program to move on and we should do the same

Exactly. This is perhaps the best 1-17 team in basketball history. AKA we're loaded. Let's move on.

Quote from: goredmen on October 26, 2016, 08:00:27 PM

Jones had no spot on this year's team. He wouldn't have been the difference between a loss and a win in any game this season so why would we have given him minutes over Yakwe, Sima, Owens, Freudenberg. It was best for both him and the program to move on and we should do the same

Exactly. This is perhaps the best 1-17 team in basketball history. AKA we're loaded. Let's move on.

Yes, Jones was the 4th best player on a 1-17 team. Let's keep him around for as long as possible

Mr. Jones reminds me of Dexter Gray.  I wanted both to stay but they left.  I never get what I want.

Mr. Jones reminds me of Dexter Gray.  I wanted both to stay but they left.  I never get what I want.

Just finished watching a double feature- Jim Thorpe All-American (starring Burt Lancaster), and Dexter Gray All-American (starring Will Smith). It was on TCM and the host moderator said there are plans in the works to make Christian Jones All-American (leading candidate to star is Michael B Jordan). 

Quote from: Dave on October 26, 2016, 04:24:03 PM

Would you rather see Yakwe or Jones in the game?

Jones was gonna be malcontent with a bench role. Wouldn't have been good for team dynamic.

While I think Jones had some positive untapped elements to his game I also think his IQ on the floor defensively was a major liability that outweighed any of the contributions from the offensive side of the ball.

Amar not exactly Bill Bradley out there and it is made worse by the fact that he also stinks.
Not a big deal but Jones would have gotten 10-15 backing up Yakwe and Sima
Can you say for sure Owens will be better than Jones was?

Amar isn't exactly being relied upon but I value his contribution to the team. He brings energy and can stretch a D. I think there will be times his number will be called this year and he'll step up. His effort makes up for what he lacks. He's an above average bench player in conference imo. I know other disagree but I see value in his strengths.

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2016, 04:27:18 PM

Quote from: Dave on October 26, 2016, 04:24:03 PM

Would you rather see Yakwe or Jones in the game?

Jones was gonna be malcontent with a bench role. Wouldn't have been good for team dynamic.

While I think Jones had some positive untapped elements to his game I also think his IQ on the floor defensively was a major liability that outweighed any of the contributions from the offensive side of the ball.

Amar not exactly Bill Bradley out there and it is made worse by the fact that he also stinks.
Not a big deal but Jones would have gotten 10-15 backing up Yakwe and Sima
Can you say for sure Owens will be better than Jones was?

Amar isn't exactly being relied upon but I value his contribution to the team. He brings energy and can stretch a D. I think there will be times his number will be called this year and he'll step up. His effort makes up for what he lacks. He's an above average bench player in conference imo. I know other disagree but I see value in his strengths.

This makes sense. Amar knows he isn't being handed minutes, and he knows that his game has a long way to go. That kind of self awareness shows me maturity. Jones probably figures, and he's not entirely wrong, that if anyone is going to get minutes in the front court it should be him, because there wasn't anyone else. Now there is, and the staff believes that he will be buried on the bench behind several players.

Still, I think we should stop w this and focus on our season. He's gone. He played here for 4 seasons and when Obekpa, Jordan, Sampson and everyone else bailed, he stayed and competed. Let's wish him well and talk about our 16-17.

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2016, 04:27:18 PM

Quote from: Dave on October 26, 2016, 04:24:03 PM

Would you rather see Yakwe or Jones in the game?

Jones was gonna be malcontent with a bench role. Wouldn't have been good for team dynamic.

While I think Jones had some positive untapped elements to his game I also think his IQ on the floor defensively was a major liability that outweighed any of the contributions from the offensive side of the ball.

Amar not exactly Bill Bradley out there and it is made worse by the fact that he also stinks.
Not a big deal but Jones would have gotten 10-15 backing up Yakwe and Sima
Can you say for sure Owens will be better than Jones was?

Amar isn't exactly being relied upon but I value his contribution to the team. He brings energy and can stretch a D. I think there will be times his number will be called this year and he'll step up. His effort makes up for what he lacks. He's an above average bench player in conference imo. I know other disagree but I see value in his strengths.

Again it is not a big deal for the big picture but Jones probably would have been a rotation guy where as if Amar is in the rotation something has gone horribly wrong. The point is simply Jones is a better basketball player than Amar and if you are building a team it is usually a good idea to pick the best basketball players.

Quote from: Dave on October 26, 2016, 11:25:26 PM

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2016, 04:27:18 PM

Quote from: Dave on October 26, 2016, 04:24:03 PM

Would you rather see Yakwe or Jones in the game?

Jones was gonna be malcontent with a bench role. Wouldn't have been good for team dynamic.

While I think Jones had some positive untapped elements to his game I also think his IQ on the floor defensively was a major liability that outweighed any of the contributions from the offensive side of the ball.

Amar not exactly Bill Bradley out there and it is made worse by the fact that he also stinks.
Not a big deal but Jones would have gotten 10-15 backing up Yakwe and Sima
Can you say for sure Owens will be better than Jones was?

Amar isn't exactly being relied upon but I value his contribution to the team. He brings energy and can stretch a D. I think there will be times his number will be called this year and he'll step up. His effort makes up for what he lacks. He's an above average bench player in conference imo. I know other disagree but I see value in his strengths.

Again it is not a big deal for the big picture but Jones probably would have been a rotation guy where as if Amar is in the rotation something has gone horribly wrong. The point is simply Jones is a better basketball player than Amar and if you are building a team it is usually a good idea to pick the best basketball players.

I don't know if you can definitely say that Jones is better. I think it's definitely a matter of preference/style.

Quote from: we are sju on October 27, 2016, 09:25:01 AM

Quote from: Dave on October 26, 2016, 11:25:26 PM

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2016, 04:27:18 PM

Quote from: Dave on October 26, 2016, 04:24:03 PM

Would you rather see Yakwe or Jones in the game?

Jones was gonna be malcontent with a bench role. Wouldn't have been good for team dynamic.

While I think Jones had some positive untapped elements to his game I also think his IQ on the floor defensively was a major liability that outweighed any of the contributions from the offensive side of the ball.

Amar not exactly Bill Bradley out there and it is made worse by the fact that he also stinks.
Not a big deal but Jones would have gotten 10-15 backing up Yakwe and Sima
Can you say for sure Owens will be better than Jones was?

Amar isn't exactly being relied upon but I value his contribution to the team. He brings energy and can stretch a D. I think there will be times his number will be called this year and he'll step up. His effort makes up for what he lacks. He's an above average bench player in conference imo. I know other disagree but I see value in his strengths.

Again it is not a big deal for the big picture but Jones probably would have been a rotation guy where as if Amar is in the rotation something has gone horribly wrong. The point is simply Jones is a better basketball player than Amar and if you are building a team it is usually a good idea to pick the best basketball players.

I don't know if you can definitely say that Jones is better. I think it's definitely a matter of preference/style.

Last year Chris Mullin and or ST Jean thought Jones was better. But more importantly my old friend Stat Sheet thought Jones was much better. In fact other than a few % in free throw shooting Jones did EVERYTHING there is to do on a basketball court better than Amar

I don't know if you can definitely say that Jones is better. I think it's definitely a matter of preference/style.

In two years Albigowitch is shooting 38 percent from the floor, 28 percent from three, and 54 percent from the FT line.

In three years Jones has never shot lower than 45 percent from the floor. He has shot as high as 52 percent. Over his last three games last year he scored 60 points, 27 for 41, 65 percent.

If its a matter of preference, I prefer that.

Quote from: Dave on October 27, 2016, 09:28:05 AM

Quote from: we are sju on October 27, 2016, 09:25:01 AM

Quote from: Dave on October 26, 2016, 11:25:26 PM

Quote from: we are sju on October 26, 2016, 04:27:18 PM

Quote from: Dave on October 26, 2016, 04:24:03 PM

Would you rather see Yakwe or Jones in the game?

Jones was gonna be malcontent with a bench role. Wouldn't have been good for team dynamic.

While I think Jones had some positive untapped elements to his game I also think his IQ on the floor defensively was a major liability that outweighed any of the contributions from the offensive side of the ball.

Amar not exactly Bill Bradley out there and it is made worse by the fact that he also stinks.
Not a big deal but Jones would have gotten 10-15 backing up Yakwe and Sima
Can you say for sure Owens will be better than Jones was?

Amar isn't exactly being relied upon but I value his contribution to the team. He brings energy and can stretch a D. I think there will be times his number will be called this year and he'll step up. His effort makes up for what he lacks. He's an above average bench player in conference imo. I know other disagree but I see value in his strengths.

Again it is not a big deal for the big picture but Jones probably would have been a rotation guy where as if Amar is in the rotation something has gone horribly wrong. The point is simply Jones is a better basketball player than Amar and if you are building a team it is usually a good idea to pick the best basketball players.

I don't know if you can definitely say that Jones is better. I think it's definitely a matter of preference/style.

Last year Chris Mullin and or ST Jean thought Jones was better. But more importantly my old friend Stat Sheet thought Jones was much better. In fact other than a few % in free throw shooting Jones did EVERYTHING there is to do on a basketball court better than Amar

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/team/stats/_/id/2599/st-john-red-storm

True, but stats don't tell you anything about intangibles such as towel waving.

We weren't making the tournament this year with both, 1 or neither of them. Let the young kids get the pt, it will payoff in the long run

We weren't making the tournament this year with both, 1 or neither of them. Let the young kids get the pt, it will payoff in the long run

Well by that argument than Jones makes way more sense than Amar as he only had one year left to Amar's two

Quote from: Marco Baldi on October 27, 2016, 10:37:37 AM

We weren't making the tournament this year with both, 1 or neither of them. Let the young kids get the pt, it will payoff in the long run

Well by that argument than Jones makes way more sense than Amar as he only had one year left to Amar's two

Everyone can be recruited over. Sign a better player, wish the the other a Bon voyage

We weren't making the tournament this year with both, 1 or neither of them. Let the young kids get the pt, it will payoff in the long run

Agree. But hopefully we aren't just playing the young guys to give them experience. Hopefully they are MUCH better.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on October 27, 2016, 10:37:37 AM

We weren't making the tournament this year with both, 1 or neither of them. Let the young kids get the pt, it will payoff in the long run

Agree. But hopefully we aren't just playing the young guys to give them experience. Hopefully they are MUCH better.

Quote from: we are sju on October 27, 2016, 10:39:19 AM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on October 27, 2016, 10:37:37 AM

We weren't making the tournament this year with both, 1 or neither of them. Let the young kids get the pt, it will payoff in the long run

Well by that argument than Jones makes way more sense than Amar as he only had one year left to Amar's two

Everyone can be recruited over. Sign a better player, wish the the other a Bon voyage

It's what Duke, Arizona and Kentucky do. Ok by me.

This is about Chris doing what is best for Chris.  He got 25 minutes/game last year.  This is his final year before pursuing a pay for play deal.  He needs to increase to 30 minutes+/game to attract the most attention.  He looked at roster an figured minutes might not increase with Yak getting stronger, Sima having Owens at back up; Ahmad coming on board along with RF needing minutes (and possibly Ellison getting minutes at SF); not to mention Amar getting time.  His 25 could have decreased easily-no brainer to transfer where starting guaranteed.

He might be the best player on the UNLV squad. 20 pts 13 reb in a home loss to South Alabama

He might be the best player on the UNLV squad. 20 pts 13 reb in a home loss to South Alabama

Good for him!

Quote from: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on November 12, 2016, 03:55:08 PM

He might be the best player on the UNLV squad. 20 pts 13 reb in a home loss to South Alabama

Good for him!

Yup