Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL

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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #220 on: January 09, 2017, 01:52:33 PM »
Go into the JUCO ranks and get some big men there. Solid players to compliment your roster. Stop chasing these checkered players.

Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #221 on: January 09, 2017, 01:56:08 PM »
So to recap, our lead 2016 big man recruit was a mental patient who punched a cop, and our lead 2017 big man recruit is a chronic criminal with academic issues.  WTF

We are not a top 50 program so we need to take chances on kids that top 25 programs pass up. Don't care if you are Lavin or Mullin we unfortunately need to take some risks when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully the staff has/had a plan B.

Mike Brey, to give one example, has (by and large) been "getting by" without "top 50 program" big men for over a decade.  Without scrapping the barrel with players who have checkered pasts

Been saying this for awhile, recruit smarter kids

I'd 100% recruit a talent like Brown over and over again. The risk was worth the reward. New staff, limited time, this was a must. Almost worked too.
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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #222 on: January 09, 2017, 01:57:13 PM »
Next year, we have Owens coming back. AA and Williams both have eligibility left., We have done well with role playing, upperclassmen bigs historically. Ron Stewart; Donald Emanuel; Justin Brownlee, etc. Owens, AA and Williams could blend nicely, but we do need that complimentary 6'-8"+ nose for the ball rebounder who picks up points in the paint.

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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #223 on: January 09, 2017, 02:04:55 PM »
So to recap, our lead 2016 big man recruit was a mental patient who punched a cop, and our lead 2017 big man recruit is a chronic criminal with academic issues.  WTF

We are not a top 50 program so we need to take chances on kids that top 25 programs pass up. Don't care if you are Lavin or Mullin we unfortunately need to take some risks when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully the staff has/had a plan B.

Mike Brey, to give one example, has (by and large) been "getting by" without "top 50 program" big men for over a decade.  Without scrapping the barrel with players who have checkered pasts

Been saying this for awhile, recruit smarter kids

I'd 100% recruit a talent like Brown over and over again. The risk was worth the reward. New staff, limited time, this was a must. Almost worked too.

fair enough.  just hoping that we get more bonzie colsons going forward than Anthony livingstons and Zach browns
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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #224 on: January 09, 2017, 02:05:35 PM »
So to recap, our lead 2016 big man recruit was a mental patient who punched a cop, and our lead 2017 big man recruit is a chronic criminal with academic issues.  WTF

We are not a top 50 program so we need to take chances on kids that top 25 programs pass up. Don't care if you are Lavin or Mullin we unfortunately need to take some risks when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully the staff has/had a plan B.

Mike Brey, to give one example, has (by and large) been "getting by" without "top 50 program" big men for over a decade.  Without scrapping the barrel with players who have checkered pasts

ND has landed NINE four star ranked kids in past 4 years and has had the same head coach for past 16 years. C'mon lets be realistic here.
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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #225 on: January 09, 2017, 02:10:10 PM »
So to recap, our lead 2016 big man recruit was a mental patient who punched a cop, and our lead 2017 big man recruit is a chronic criminal with academic issues.  WTF

We are not a top 50 program so we need to take chances on kids that top 25 programs pass up. Don't care if you are Lavin or Mullin we unfortunately need to take some risks when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully the staff has/had a plan B.

Mike Brey, to give one example, has (by and large) been "getting by" without "top 50 program" big men for over a decade.  Without scrapping the barrel with players who have checkered pasts

Been saying this for awhile, recruit smarter kids

Yeah how much could he have gotten from Walgreen? They are closing left and right. CVS would have been smarter choice

Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #226 on: January 09, 2017, 02:22:45 PM »
So to recap, our lead 2016 big man recruit was a mental patient who punched a cop, and our lead 2017 big man recruit is a chronic criminal with academic issues.  WTF

We are not a top 50 program so we need to take chances on kids that top 25 programs pass up. Don't care if you are Lavin or Mullin we unfortunately need to take some risks when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully the staff has/had a plan B.

Mike Brey, to give one example, has (by and large) been "getting by" without "top 50 program" big men for over a decade.  Without scrapping the barrel with players who have checkered pasts

ND has landed NINE four star ranked kids in past 4 years and has had the same head coach for past 16 years. C'mon lets be realistic here.

Not to mention ND is indeed a top 50 program over the last 10 years or so.

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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #227 on: January 09, 2017, 02:27:57 PM »
Next year, we have Owens coming back. AA and Williams both have eligibility left., We have done well with role playing, upperclassmen bigs historically. Ron Stewart; Donald Emanuel; Justin Brownlee, etc. Owens, AA and Williams could blend nicely, but we do need that complimentary 6'-8"+ nose for the ball rebounder who picks up points in the paint.

You're forgetting about Clark

How good is Clark Jr? What's his game?

Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #228 on: January 09, 2017, 02:31:21 PM »
So to recap, our lead 2016 big man recruit was a mental patient who punched a cop, and our lead 2017 big man recruit is a chronic criminal with academic issues.  WTF

We are not a top 50 program so we need to take chances on kids that top 25 programs pass up. Don't care if you are Lavin or Mullin we unfortunately need to take some risks when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully the staff has/had a plan B.

Mike Brey, to give one example, has (by and large) been "getting by" without "top 50 program" big men for over a decade.  Without scrapping the barrel with players who have checkered pasts

Been saying this for awhile, recruit smarter kids

Yeah how much could he have gotten from Walgreen? They are closing left and right. CVS would have been smarter choice

Ya no one would notice a 6'10 kid stuffing his pockets

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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #229 on: January 09, 2017, 02:32:10 PM »
So to recap, our lead 2016 big man recruit was a mental patient who punched a cop, and our lead 2017 big man recruit is a chronic criminal with academic issues.  WTF

We are not a top 50 program so we need to take chances on kids that top 25 programs pass up. Don't care if you are Lavin or Mullin we unfortunately need to take some risks when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully the staff has/had a plan B.

Mike Brey, to give one example, has (by and large) been "getting by" without "top 50 program" big men for over a decade.  Without scrapping the barrel with players who have checkered pasts

ND has landed NINE four star ranked kids in past 4 years and has had the same head coach for past 16 years. C'mon lets be realistic here.

I am talking about the big men only, Dave.  Here's who Brey hasnabbed in the past 4 years at the 4/5 (BTW, yes Brey has had very good results and a track record, but also the disadvantages of some of the worst hoops facilities in major conference hoops during his time and a campus in the middle of nowheresville):

Mooney - got him after he decomitted from Florida when Donovan bailed.  He was seen as a 3 star by most people.
Burns - got him over BC, the Hall and Rhody.  He was seen as a 3 star by most people.
Geben - got him over Maryland, Miami.  He was seen as a 3 star by some, 4 by others.
Colson - got him over FSU, Minnesota, Iowa St.  He was seen as a 3 star by most people.
Burgett - got him over Cincy and Iowa.   He was seen as a 3 star by most people.
Torres - got him over Lamar and Navy.  1 star recruit.  Package deal with Demetris Jackson.
Auguste - got him over WVU, GTech, Florida, Marquette. He was seen as a 4 star by most people.


Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #230 on: January 09, 2017, 02:42:24 PM »
So to recap, our lead 2016 big man recruit was a mental patient who punched a cop, and our lead 2017 big man recruit is a chronic criminal with academic issues.  WTF

We are not a top 50 program so we need to take chances on kids that top 25 programs pass up. Don't care if you are Lavin or Mullin we unfortunately need to take some risks when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully the staff has/had a plan B.

Mike Brey, to give one example, has (by and large) been "getting by" without "top 50 program" big men for over a decade.  Without scrapping the barrel with players who have checkered pasts

Been saying this for awhile, recruit smarter kids

Yeah how much could he have gotten from Walgreen? They are closing left and right. CVS would have been smarter choice

Ya no one would notice a 6'10 kid stuffing his pockets

He was thinking too small, go big or go home

Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #231 on: January 09, 2017, 02:56:01 PM »
The kid Patton, who just lit us up for 25&9 had one scholarship offer.  There are others like him, Mullin just has to find them.  There are still 4 star big men out there.

Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #232 on: January 09, 2017, 02:56:28 PM »
So to recap, our lead 2016 big man recruit was a mental patient who punched a cop, and our lead 2017 big man recruit is a chronic criminal with academic issues.  WTF

We are not a top 50 program so we need to take chances on kids that top 25 programs pass up. Don't care if you are Lavin or Mullin we unfortunately need to take some risks when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully the staff has/had a plan B.

Mike Brey, to give one example, has (by and large) been "getting by" without "top 50 program" big men for over a decade.  Without scrapping the barrel with players who have checkered pasts

Been saying this for awhile, recruit smarter kids

Yeah how much could he have gotten from Walgreen? They are closing left and right. CVS would have been smarter choice

Ya no one would notice a 6'10 kid stuffing his pockets

He was thinking too small, go big or go home

Maybe he was stealing tighty  whiteys, like that Cowboy running back a few years back
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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #233 on: January 09, 2017, 02:59:26 PM »
So to recap, our lead 2016 big man recruit was a mental patient who punched a cop, and our lead 2017 big man recruit is a chronic criminal with academic issues.  WTF

We are not a top 50 program so we need to take chances on kids that top 25 programs pass up. Don't care if you are Lavin or Mullin we unfortunately need to take some risks when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully the staff has/had a plan B.

Mike Brey, to give one example, has (by and large) been "getting by" without "top 50 program" big men for over a decade.  Without scrapping the barrel with players who have checkered pasts

Been saying this for awhile, recruit smarter kids

Yeah how much could he have gotten from Walgreen? They are closing left and right. CVS would have been smarter choice

Ya no one would notice a 6'10 kid stuffing his pockets

He was thinking too small, go big or go home

Maybe he was stealing tighty  whiteys, like that Cowboy running back a few years back

I don't want anyone on the team that gets their underwear at Walgreen!

Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #234 on: January 09, 2017, 03:06:50 PM »
So your 7 feet tall, and you think hey I can just reach over take the cash and run away and no one will
be able to identify you ,  And than you jump into your unregistered car with the broken window and you drive
off using your suspended license.. Are you really that f'kin stupid?

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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #235 on: January 09, 2017, 03:09:24 PM »
So to recap, our lead 2016 big man recruit was a mental patient who punched a cop, and our lead 2017 big man recruit is a chronic criminal with academic issues.  WTF

We are not a top 50 program so we need to take chances on kids that top 25 programs pass up. Don't care if you are Lavin or Mullin we unfortunately need to take some risks when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully the staff has/had a plan B.

Mike Brey, to give one example, has (by and large) been "getting by" without "top 50 program" big men for over a decade.  Without scrapping the barrel with players who have checkered pasts

Been saying this for awhile, recruit smarter kids

I'd 100% recruit a talent like Brown over and over again. The risk was worth the reward. New staff, limited time, this was a must. Almost worked too.

Sure the risk was worth it now, but how about if he committed this or some other crime 2 days before next year starts. And that would always be a possibility with this kid. Can't wait until we get to the point where we don't have to take this big of a chance

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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #236 on: January 09, 2017, 03:15:02 PM »
So to recap, our lead 2016 big man recruit was a mental patient who punched a cop, and our lead 2017 big man recruit is a chronic criminal with academic issues.  WTF

We are not a top 50 program so we need to take chances on kids that top 25 programs pass up. Don't care if you are Lavin or Mullin we unfortunately need to take some risks when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully the staff has/had a plan B.

Mike Brey, to give one example, has (by and large) been "getting by" without "top 50 program" big men for over a decade.  Without scrapping the barrel with players who have checkered pasts

Been saying this for awhile, recruit smarter kids

I'd 100% recruit a talent like Brown over and over again. The risk was worth the reward. New staff, limited time, this was a must. Almost worked too.

Sure the risk was worth it now, but how about if he committed this or some other crime 2 days before next year starts. And that would always be a possibility with this kid. Can't wait until we get to the point where we don't have to take this big of a chance

Hey, James Felton committed his crime in the SJU locker room.  Tradition! :)

Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #237 on: January 09, 2017, 03:35:46 PM »
What happened to his "brothers" dad? Thought he was handling everything. I guess they can follow up on that video that showed all the hurdles that Zach had to over come with the help of his adoptive family and show how it all broke down.

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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #238 on: January 09, 2017, 03:41:49 PM »
So to recap, our lead 2016 big man recruit was a mental patient who punched a cop, and our lead 2017 big man recruit is a chronic criminal with academic issues.  WTF

We are not a top 50 program so we need to take chances on kids that top 25 programs pass up. Don't care if you are Lavin or Mullin we unfortunately need to take some risks when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully the staff has/had a plan B.

Mike Brey, to give one example, has (by and large) been "getting by" without "top 50 program" big men for over a decade.  Without scrapping the barrel with players who have checkered pasts

Been saying this for awhile, recruit smarter kids

I'd 100% recruit a talent like Brown over and over again. The risk was worth the reward. New staff, limited time, this was a must. Almost worked too.

Sure the risk was worth it now, but how about if he committed this or some other crime 2 days before next year starts. And that would always be a possibility with this kid. Can't wait until we get to the point where we don't have to take this big of a chance

Hey, James Felton committed his crime in the SJU locker room.  Tradition! :)

I thinking about that. What a stupid stupid thing to do. And for what? A bag of chips? Things change, but my how they stay the same.

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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #239 on: January 09, 2017, 03:47:28 PM »
So to recap, our lead 2016 big man recruit was a mental patient who punched a cop, and our lead 2017 big man recruit is a chronic criminal with academic issues.  WTF

We are not a top 50 program so we need to take chances on kids that top 25 programs pass up. Don't care if you are Lavin or Mullin we unfortunately need to take some risks when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully the staff has/had a plan B.

Mike Brey, to give one example, has (by and large) been "getting by" without "top 50 program" big men for over a decade.  Without scrapping the barrel with players who have checkered pasts

Been saying this for awhile, recruit smarter kids

I'd 100% recruit a talent like Brown over and over again. The risk was worth the reward. New staff, limited time, this was a must. Almost worked too.

Sure the risk was worth it now, but how about if he committed this or some other crime 2 days before next year starts. And that would always be a possibility with this kid. Can't wait until we get to the point where we don't have to take this big of a chance

Hey, James Felton committed his crime in the SJU locker room.  Tradition! :)

Whose sneakers and t shirts did he steal? Wild guess -  Milos Dumic