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Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« on: December 14, 2016, 10:18:14 AM »
« Last Edit: December 14, 2016, 10:34:07 AM by paultzman »
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Rip
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2016, 10:23:27 AM »
I disagree w Seth, the coach is the one getting paid. He gets the credit when they win, and he gets the blame when they lose. Enough is enough.
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2016, 10:52:03 AM »
What concerns me the most is the Mullin sticking around scenario. Someone posted his house is for sale and his wife and kid were moving back to the west coast. If he leaves we are finished. His rep here will be tarnished forever and so will the school's.
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2016, 11:05:15 AM »
Sounds like Davis is giving Mullin a bit of a pass here. He says it's not Mullin's fault, rather St. John's needs to start playing winning basketball. Well that's kind of hard to do if the kids aren't getting coached up and don't have an effective game plan on O and D. He even acknowledges there is some talent on this roster.
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2016, 11:38:06 AM »
Quote from: Johnny23 on December 14, 2016, 11:05:15 AM
Sounds like Davis is giving Mullin a bit of a pass here. He says it's not Mullin's fault, rather St. John's needs to start playing winning basketball. Well that's kind of hard to do if the kids aren't getting coached up and don't have an effective game plan on O and D. He even acknowledges there is some talent on this roster.

Seth is consistent in that he never seems to know what's going on.
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2016, 11:56:05 AM »
This is why you don't hire a coach w no experience. Rutgers knew they made a mistake after 2 years, and they moved on. We have one basketball hero, but he may need to get fired. None of us want that. We all want to see him succeed, but he can't be given free pass for years on end because he was a great player in the 1980s.

That said, this is an incredibly young team and everyone on it including the staff deserves to show us what they are building. If it's March, and we've got 2 BE wins, the writing will be on the wall.
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2016, 11:59:40 AM »
2 years ago today our record was something like 10-1 and we were ranked in the top 20. For some reason many of you don't remember that . The year before we played great for almost 2 months. The year before that we didn't suck. Two years before that was plenty fun.

This year we don't have a great team but we should be able to compete. Winning 5/6 games is realistic. Being competitive in most of the others is reasonable. I hope that happens, but I doubt it. I think maybe we win 3 more games.
7 years ago I thought we may never be good again. In the last 7 years we have brought in plenty of talent. The right coach can definitely be successful here. We will never be Duke. But we should never be this bad. I wish mullin luck, I hope he gets these kids playing, smarter/better. Next year there will be plenty of talent on our roster.
However if we have the season that I think we have I hope he quits. Winning 8/9 games should not under any circumstances be acceptable.
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2016, 12:03:00 PM »
Someone writes this same article every season about how St. John's was once really good but now isn't and can they get back to being a top program. The answer to me is with this conference and being in NYC and playing at the Garden I think it is possible to be a perennial top 25 team but I am not sure when it will happen again soon. We haven't been consistently good in a long time and we are still recruiting very competitively so I think with a little success we could be a good consistently again. As far as Mullin leaving, I dont see it happening. His reputation would take an enormous hit leaving the program in worse shape then when he came.
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2016, 12:03:31 PM »
It's been what, 18 months? A sobering write-up but the Riverside/dorm faded advantage spiel is just as tired as any other argument. My money is still on Mullin to deliver.

These critiques and reaching explanations are expected in a rebuild, as are the set back losses, but we are making progress in these foggy times.

The players have arrived and the work ethic is here. Next year will provide true hope with the 2017 additions active.

Facts are we are painfully young and don't know how to win yet. We're in the thick of the growing pain stage of a rebuild, only patience, knowledge and understanding will get us through this season.

You have to approach this season game by game, the next week should be exciting. Looking forward to Sunday morning and especially the trip upstate.
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2016, 12:03:37 PM »
Quote from: TONYD3 on December 14, 2016, 11:59:40 AM
I wish mullin luck ... 

I hope he quits

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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2016, 12:37:28 PM »
Lets win with Chris and crew - Give him a chance.

Its shame Lavin heart wasn't in it any more - he had to be one of the best finishers in College Basketball when it came to recruiting.
If Chris had Lavin ability to finish with the recruits I am sure we would have gotten some of the recruits we missed out on including Adkins.
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2016, 04:13:34 PM »
Quote from: TONYD3 on December 14, 2016, 11:59:40 AM
Next year there will be plenty of talent on our roster. However if we have the season that I think we have I hope he quits. Winning 8/9 games should not under any circumstances be acceptable.

So let me understand this, in league play we went 1-17 last year, let's say we go 4-14 this year, and 3-15 next year, you don't believe the circumstances warrant patience? You think that would mean Mullin isn't a good coach and we should move on?
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2016, 05:26:01 PM »
It's beyond obvious that Mullin can't coach - not yet at least.

SJU is not where you cut your teeth and learn how to coach.

We need to move on, quick. Or, we will continue to suck.

There is no other way to put it.

The homers on here will get mad, but I am speaking the truth. We have zero reason to believe things are getting better. In fact, it honestly looks like we may be worse.
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2016, 08:33:32 PM »
When Mullin became head coach of this program Jordan And Obekpa couldn't meet the new program standards.  Sampson decided to decommit leaving the program with next to nothing. 

We gotta give Mullin time.  The staff is getting players and this roster is one of the most talented in years.  These kids are still learning how to play together and learning what it takes to win at this level. 

I'd rather see this out for 2-3 more years and see where we stand instead of canning Mullin and starting over with a more experienced coach.  There is no guarantee the next staff can get the tyoe of players this staff has already recruited here.  I think current staff continue to get better players all while learning from their in game coaching deficiencies.


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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #14 on: December 14, 2016, 08:38:00 PM »
Quote from: Foad on December 14, 2016, 12:03:37 PM
Quote from: TONYD3 on December 14, 2016, 11:59:40 AM
I wish mullin luck ... 

I hope he quits


every day i come on here thinking tony cant get more negative. Proven wrong every day.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2016, 08:39:26 PM by valgoth »
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #15 on: December 14, 2016, 09:56:59 PM »
Quote from: Moon Mullin on December 14, 2016, 10:52:03 AM
What concerns me the most is the Mullin sticking around scenario. Someone posted his house is for sale and his wife and kid were moving back to the west coast. If he leaves we are finished. His rep here will be tarnished forever and so will the school's.

Kid switching schools from manhasset to a private school in manhattan.  Moving from manhasset to make her commute easier.  Not to west coast
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #16 on: December 14, 2016, 10:12:50 PM »
Quote from: wpc77 on December 14, 2016, 09:56:59 PM
Quote from: Moon Mullin on December 14, 2016, 10:52:03 AM
What concerns me the most is the Mullin sticking around scenario. Someone posted his house is for sale and his wife and kid were moving back to the west coast. If he leaves we are finished. His rep here will be tarnished forever and so will the school's.

Kid switching schools from manhasset to a private school in manhattan.  Moving from manhasset to make her commute easier.  Not to west coast



They are heading west, this is the first step...WERE DOOOOOOMMMMMEEEEEEDDDDD
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #17 on: December 14, 2016, 11:59:59 PM »
Quote from: upstate32 on December 14, 2016, 08:33:32 PM
When Mullin became head coach of this program Jordan And Obekpa couldn't meet the new program standards.  Sampson decided to decommit leaving the program with next to nothing. 

We gotta give Mullin time.  The staff is getting players and this roster is one of the most talented in years.  These kids are still learning how to play together and learning what it takes to win at this level. 

I'd rather see this out for 2-3 more years and see where we stand instead of canning Mullin and starting over with a more experienced coach.  There is no guarantee the next staff can get the tyoe of players this staff has already recruited here.  I think current staff continue to get better players all while learning from their in game coaching deficiencies.

Lavin had Dunlap coach his freshmen in his 2nd year as he was out with cancer, Dunlap was a great x and o's coach.
wtf does Mullin have? Jean.   You can't compare the 2.

They are the second youngest team with a 2nd year coach (not just on SJU but ever.), so what can you expect to happen?
Only thing i want this year is for Mullin in the last month to improve his in game coaching/ halftime adjustments/ and substitutions. If he does then we'll feel better for 17/18.

Next year I'm expecting atleast the NIT.
Everyone from this year will be either a junior or sophmore, will have Simon and Clark on the court. and I'm praying Zach Brown can play.

If they can't get to atleast the NIT with that talent, then yeah start worrying about Mullin as coach.
Yeah the NIT is probably going light on him.

But this isn't the year to do so. Yeah, I know saying next year all the time F'ING sucks, but wtf can anyone do?
The situation is what it is.
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2016, 12:36:27 AM »
Quote from: mullin85berry86 on December 14, 2016, 11:59:59 PM
Quote from: upstate32 on December 14, 2016, 08:33:32 PM
When Mullin became head coach of this program Jordan And Obekpa couldn't meet the new program standards.  Sampson decided to decommit leaving the program with next to nothing. 

We gotta give Mullin time.  The staff is getting players and this roster is one of the most talented in years.  These kids are still learning how to play together and learning what it takes to win at this level. 

I'd rather see this out for 2-3 more years and see where we stand instead of canning Mullin and starting over with a more experienced coach.  There is no guarantee the next staff can get the tyoe of players this staff has already recruited here.  I think current staff continue to get better players all while learning from their in game coaching deficiencies.

Lavin had Dunlap coach his freshmen in his 2nd year as he was out with cancer, Dunlap was a great x and o's coach.
wtf does Mullin have? Jean.   You can't compare the 2.

They are the second youngest team with a 2nd year coach (not just on SJU but ever.), so what can you expect to happen?
Only thing i want this year is for Mullin in the last month to improve his in game coaching/ halftime adjustments/ and substitutions. If he does then we'll feel better for 17/18.

Next year I'm expecting atleast the NIT.
Everyone from this year will be either a junior or sophmore, will have Simon and Clark on the court. and I'm praying Zach Brown can play.

If they can't get to atleast the NIT with that talent, then yeah start worrying about Mullin as coach.
Yeah the NIT is probably going light on him.

But this isn't the year to do so. Yeah, I know saying next year all the time F'ING sucks, but wtf can anyone do?
The situation is what it is.

We all understand that they're young, but criticism of Chris Mullin is fair. He has to show a clear example of progress, or the University should move on. And for the love of God can we please hire a coach that can teach?
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Re: Seth Davis SI SJU Opinion
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2016, 12:42:11 AM »
Quote from: PIB on December 14, 2016, 05:26:01 PM
It's beyond obvious that Mullin can't coach - not yet at least.

SJU is not where you cut your teeth and learn how to coach.

We need to move on, quick. Or, we will continue to suck.

There is no other way to put it.

The homers on here will get mad, but I am speaking the truth. We have zero reason to believe things are getting better. In fact, it honestly looks like we may be worse.

It is beyond arrogant to think that you can do this job with zero experience. He should have been an assistant and learned teaching strategies if he really wanted to coach. There are too many former star athletes who are only coaching or managing because of their status as a former player. It was hard enough watching Don Mattingly shit the bed in LA and now this.
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