ASU Game Dec 8 at Staples Center

Simon is a disaster at the end of basketball games. He should not touch the ball late in close games.

Good idea.

Quote from: fordham96 on December 10, 2017, 04:21:15 PM

Quote from: Courts603 on December 10, 2017, 04:03:44 PM

Arizona State just beat Kansas in Kansas! They are legit.

They hung 58 on Kansas in the 2nd half...wow

Could it be that SJ defense is legit? Because it looks legit.

Looks like it to me.

They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well.  If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play.  If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level.  I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.

They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well.  If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play.  If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level.  I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.

I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games

Quote from: Dan on December 10, 2017, 07:15:12 PM

They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well.  If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play.  If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level.  I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.

I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games

You can be realistic though.  We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win.  Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations.  Let's see what happens going forward.

Quote from: goredmen on December 10, 2017, 07:29:12 PM

Quote from: Dan on December 10, 2017, 07:15:12 PM

They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well.  If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play.  If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level.  I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.

I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games

You can be realistic though.  We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win.  Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations.  Let's see what happens going forward.

It's early but I wouldn't say this team is exceeding expectations just yet. The best win is over an ok UCF team that was missing 2 of their best players.

Had our record been 10-2, but we beat Missouri and lost to West Va then it would be a much different story

I agree with the guys saying that the 2 loses are not ideal cause those teams are NCAA caliber teams. However, win our next two and there would be 0 bad loses, that looks good in the eyes of the committee.  Also team played 6 games away from home and could be 4-2- something the committee  takes very seriously. The big east is loaded, we are going to get our fair share of quality games, so right now, I’m not concerned with not beating mizz or asu. Both those games we were underdogs, expected to lose,  but the eye test says we competed with both.

I believe we go 11-7 in conference. The key will be how we start over first 6,  cause  the last 6 of season, we could potentially go 5-1.   Go 4-5 on road and 7-2 at home, very doable.

Quote from: goredmen on December 10, 2017, 07:29:12 PM

Quote from: Dan on December 10, 2017, 07:15:12 PM

They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well.  If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play.  If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level.  I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.

I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games

You can be realistic though.  We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win.  Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations.  Let's see what happens going forward.

Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.

I agree with the guys saying that the 2 loses are not ideal cause those teams are NCAA caliber teams. However, win our next two and there would be 0 bad loses, that looks good in the eyes of the committee.  Also team played 6 games away from home and could be 4-2- something the committee  takes very seriously. The big east is loaded, we are going to get our fair share of quality games, so right now, I’m not concerned with not beating mizz or asu. Both those games we were underdogs, expected to lose,  but the eye test says we competed with both.

I believe we go 11-7 in conference. The key will be how we start over first 6,  cause  the last 6 of season, we could potentially go 5-1.   Go 4-5 on road and 7-2 at home, very doable.

11-7 in conference is very optimistic IMO

Quote from: Pete88 on December 10, 2017, 07:38:28 PM

Quote from: goredmen on December 10, 2017, 07:29:12 PM

Quote from: Dan on December 10, 2017, 07:15:12 PM

They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well.  If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play.  If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level.  I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.

I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games

You can be realistic though.  We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win.  Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations.  Let's see what happens going forward.

Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.

If you don't compare us to last year, what are you comparing this team to? 
Reading these posts its amazing how many expected this team to be undefeated before conference play... 

You can make a case that Arizona St should  be no. 1 in the country right now.  I don't think they are the best team but the most deserving team right now I think is ASU.

Quote from: Celtics11 on December 10, 2017, 08:22:53 PM

Quote from: Pete88 on December 10, 2017, 07:38:28 PM

Quote from: goredmen on December 10, 2017, 07:29:12 PM

Quote from: Dan on December 10, 2017, 07:15:12 PM

They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well.  If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play.  If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level.  I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.

I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games

You can be realistic though.  We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win.  Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations.  Let's see what happens going forward.

Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.

If you don't compare us to last year, what are you comparing this team to? 
Reading these posts its amazing how many expected this team to be undefeated before conference play... 

I don't think anybody here expected this team to be undefeated going into conference play, but this 10-2 start is on par with what this team is, which is a fringe tournament team. Again, if the 10-2 was with a win over Missouri and loss to West VA instead of loss to Mizzou and W over UCF that's a very different 10-2

Quote from: Celtics11 on December 10, 2017, 08:22:53 PM

Quote from: Pete88 on December 10, 2017, 07:38:28 PM

Quote from: goredmen on December 10, 2017, 07:29:12 PM

Quote from: Dan on December 10, 2017, 07:15:12 PM

They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well.  If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play.  If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level.  I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.

I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games

You can be realistic though.  We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win.  Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations.  Let's see what happens going forward.

Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.

If you don't compare us to last year, what are you comparing this team to? 
Reading these posts its amazing how many expected this team to be undefeated before conference play... 

Quote from: Celtics11 on December 10, 2017, 08:22:53 PM

Quote from: Pete88 on December 10, 2017, 07:38:28 PM

Quote from: goredmen on December 10, 2017, 07:29:12 PM

Quote from: Dan on December 10, 2017, 07:15:12 PM

They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well.  If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play.  If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level.  I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.

I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games

You can be realistic though.  We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win.  Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations.  Let's see what happens going forward.

Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.

If you don't compare us to last year, what are you comparing this team to? 
Reading these posts its amazing how many expected this team to be undefeated before conference play... 

Because we SUCKED last year. If you want to compare us to a team that SUCKED and say we SUCK less this year go right ahead. I just try to assess the talent on this year's team and assess what we can accomplish based on what I see out on the court this year. I don't give a F what we did last year move on. Of course we are better than last year what good does that do us? It depends on what we do this year.

One Garfunkel turnover is just that.  One play among hundreds that make up a basketball game. He certainly didn't lose it for us.

40 assists to 26 turnovers are  more than reasonable numbers for a guard. We've had much worse ( I know it's well established that this board doesn't give a da*n about Assist/To ratio but i like it. )

When you look at the awesome shooting numbers; the team leading 25 steals; and him being the premier reason for the defensive transformation - not a day goes by that I don't thank my lucky stars for Justin Simon.

P.S.
Looking forward a bit. The sold out BE opener at Alumni Hall vs. the Friars is gonna be off the hook. Get your tickets now JJer's.  Atmosphere will be electric in there.  I'm bringing a big entourage.

Quote from: rdstr25 on December 10, 2017, 08:22:29 PM

I agree with the guys saying that the 2 loses are not ideal cause those teams are NCAA caliber teams. However, win our next two and there would be 0 bad loses, that looks good in the eyes of the committee.  Also team played 6 games away from home and could be 4-2- something the committee  takes very seriously. The big east is loaded, we are going to get our fair share of quality games, so right now, I’m not concerned with not beating mizz or asu. Both those games we were underdogs, expected to lose,  but the eye test says we competed with both.

I believe we go 11-7 in conference. The key will be how we start over first 6,  cause  the last 6 of season, we could potentially go 5-1.   Go 4-5 on road and 7-2 at home, very doable.

11-7 in conference is very optimistic IMO

Agreed, I think we sweep GT and DePaul,, get swept by X and Vill, go 6-4 against the rest.  10-8.  Best case scenario is we steal one from X and Vill.  Any key injuries and we are history.   

Quote from: goredmen on December 10, 2017, 08:34:48 PM

Quote from: rdstr25 on December 10, 2017, 08:22:29 PM

I agree with the guys saying that the 2 loses are not ideal cause those teams are NCAA caliber teams. However, win our next two and there would be 0 bad loses, that looks good in the eyes of the committee.  Also team played 6 games away from home and could be 4-2- something the committee  takes very seriously. The big east is loaded, we are going to get our fair share of quality games, so right now, I’m not concerned with not beating mizz or asu. Both those games we were underdogs, expected to lose,  but the eye test says we competed with both.

I believe we go 11-7 in conference. The key will be how we start over first 6,  cause  the last 6 of season, we could potentially go 5-1.   Go 4-5 on road and 7-2 at home, very doable.

11-7 in conference is very optimistic IMO

Agreed, I think we sweep GT and DePaul,, get swept by X and Vill, go 6-4 against the rest.  10-8.  Best case scenario is we steal one from X and Vill.  Any key injuries and we are history.   

That 3 game stretch against X, Duke and @Nova is gonna be tough but I think we will win one of those, assuming no injuries on our side. Even then, so much can change between now and then, this team is a consistent offense away from being pretty dangerous IMO.

Quote from: rdstr25 on December 10, 2017, 08:22:29 PM

I agree with the guys saying that the 2 loses are not ideal cause those teams are NCAA caliber teams. However, win our next two and there would be 0 bad loses, that looks good in the eyes of the committee.  Also team played 6 games away from home and could be 4-2- something the committee  takes very seriously. The big east is loaded, we are going to get our fair share of quality games, so right now, I’m not concerned with not beating mizz or asu. Both those games we were underdogs, expected to lose,  but the eye test says we competed with both.

I believe we go 11-7 in conference. The key will be how we start over first 6,  cause  the last 6 of season, we could potentially go 5-1.   Go 4-5 on road and 7-2 at home, very doable.

11-7 in conference is very optimistic IMO

We are talking a 4 game swing year over year to get to 11-7.  Last year we lost(away) to Gtown, SHU, Nova, Butler, Creighton, Xavier, and Marq.  This year, I expect to beat two of those teams on road.  At home we lost to Nova, Xavier, Creighton, and Providence.  This year, I expect to win 2 of those.   

Quote from: goredmen on December 10, 2017, 08:34:48 PM

Quote from: rdstr25 on December 10, 2017, 08:22:29 PM

I agree with the guys saying that the 2 loses are not ideal cause those teams are NCAA caliber teams. However, win our next two and there would be 0 bad loses, that looks good in the eyes of the committee.  Also team played 6 games away from home and could be 4-2- something the committee  takes very seriously. The big east is loaded, we are going to get our fair share of quality games, so right now, I’m not concerned with not beating mizz or asu. Both those games we were underdogs, expected to lose,  but the eye test says we competed with both.

I believe we go 11-7 in conference. The key will be how we start over first 6,  cause  the last 6 of season, we could potentially go 5-1.   Go 4-5 on road and 7-2 at home, very doable.

11-7 in conference is very optimistic IMO

We are talking a 4 game swing year over year to get to 11-7.  Last year we lost(away) to Gtown, SHU, Nova, Butler, Creighton, Xavier, and Marq.  This year, I expect to beat two of those teams on road.  At home we lost to Nova, Xavier, Creighton, and Providence.  This year, I expect to win 2 of those.   

Last year a handful of those wins were in close games and all of the losses were blowouts. We won't be as lucky to win all of those close games again this time around

I'm thinking we go 9-9 or 10-8 in the BE. Combine this with beating Iona and St. Joe's and we're looking at a 19 or 20 win regular season. I think we'd then need to win at least 1 and maybe 2 games in the BE tourney to get an at large depending on how many of our reg season conf wins are against the better teams...Nova, X, SHU, Creighton.

Quote from: rdstr25 on December 11, 2017, 10:29:32 AM

Quote from: goredmen on December 10, 2017, 08:34:48 PM

Quote from: rdstr25 on December 10, 2017, 08:22:29 PM

I agree with the guys saying that the 2 loses are not ideal cause those teams are NCAA caliber teams. However, win our next two and there would be 0 bad loses, that looks good in the eyes of the committee.  Also team played 6 games away from home and could be 4-2- something the committee  takes very seriously. The big east is loaded, we are going to get our fair share of quality games, so right now, I’m not concerned with not beating mizz or asu. Both those games we were underdogs, expected to lose,  but the eye test says we competed with both.

I believe we go 11-7 in conference. The key will be how we start over first 6,  cause  the last 6 of season, we could potentially go 5-1.   Go 4-5 on road and 7-2 at home, very doable.

11-7 in conference is very optimistic IMO

We are talking a 4 game swing year over year to get to 11-7.  Last year we lost(away) to Gtown, SHU, Nova, Butler, Creighton, Xavier, and Marq.  This year, I expect to beat two of those teams on road.  At home we lost to Nova, Xavier, Creighton, and Providence.  This year, I expect to win 2 of those.   

Last year a handful of those wins were in close games and all of the losses were blowouts. We won't be as lucky to win all of those close games again this time around

True that beside the 2nd loss to Xavier (by 5) all of the BE losses were by at least 10. My memory is that 3 or 4 of those games were close throughout only to have the bad guys pull away late. Either way, I thought it was a waste to compare this years team to last years.