Chris Mullin's seat getting hotter?

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Quote from: rdstr25 on January 23, 2018, 10:26:53 AM

I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that. 

Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above. 

Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.

2 1/3 of 9 = 50%?  Common Core Math is alive and well.

Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in  there for not lasting 10 games .
 

Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.

Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.

The one thing no one ever mentions regarding the Lavin era was the contrast in how he handled Jordan and Harrison.
He suspends Harrison for still unspecified infractions when it was going to be close in regards to us making the tourney. I know you thought he did that as almost a built in excuse. Now in fairness a couple of people have told me that he really was a pain in the butt but again odd timing.

Now contrast that with Jordan's handling.In a year where he was theoretically fighting for an extension he lets Jordan continue playing the while he stopped going to class and disappeared multiple times.

With Harrison he tried to come off as some kind of Father Flanagan when it suited his purpose but when he needed to win Jordan played.

When Harrison was suspended SJ was 16-12, having lost four of their last six in February when they're supposed to be playing their best ball, with these remaining four games: Providence on the road, #24 ND on the road, #15 marquette at home, and Villanova @MSG. Coincidence? Not bloody likely.

Oh the bright side LAvin did go on to win the one post season game of his storied career, beating mighty St Joe's. So there's that.

There's no coincidence that you're aware of.

I guess sort of. A coincidence requires two events to occur concurrently without any apparent connection. I'm postulating a connection between SJ losing a bunch of games and facing a bunch more losses and Harrison getting suspended so that Lavin would have an excuse for losing those games, 9 out of his last 11. Because otherwise he'd have to face up to the fact that he sucks. And in fact I think Lavin is so lacking in self-awareness that he might have sabotaged himself unconsciously while at the same time portraying himself in a sympathetic and heroic light. Because he's completely coo coo for cocoa puffs. It's true that if what I think is true is false then there was a coincidence of which I'm not aware. But as I said I find it unlikely that what I believe to be true is false, because if I thought it were false I wouldn't think it was true.

Don't forget Lavin's conscious act of self-sabotage when he suspended one of his 6 players and his only big at noon on selection Sunday. Still the one thing that makes me despise that guy

You think that was Lavin’s fault? Was it his weed? There’s this thing called the NCAA. They kinda say what goes. Obekpa failed a drug test. Lavin paid the price with his job. Mullin has recruited a kid that assaulted a police officer, a kid with a criminal record and a kid who changed his mind after he was already in classes at the school.

Mullin was brought here to bring the hard working NYC persona back to the school. I don’t see it anywhere in our style of play, and I certainly don’t see it from him.

Instead we have

Yeah, goredmen.  IIRC, Obekpa was suspended by the NCAA because he failed the piss test.  That had nothing to do with Lavin.

The only egregious (I wouldn't even call it that, either....  a bit of poor judgement) thing Lavin may have done leading up to the tournament was mentioning DJ Kennedy was done for the season a couple of days before the NCAA Tournament Selection Show.  It likely cost us a seed.  Instead of being a 5th seed, we ended up being a 6th seed.

You don't recall correctly. He was suspended by the team. The NCAA had nothing to do with it. And while it was assumed it was because of a failed drug test, there was no official statement confirming that. Just a "violation of team rules".

http://www.espn.com/new-york/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12488855/st-john-suspends-c-chris-obekpa-2-weeks-miss-postseason-games

http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/031515aaa.html

I stand corrected.

Half way to 0-18..... What an embarrassment. Any other coach not named Chris Mullin would be squarely on the hot seat right now.

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Quote from: rdstr25 on January 23, 2018, 10:26:53 AM

I only wanted that part of your quote, but yeah I could of done a better showcasing that. 

Mullin is not going to land top notch players consistently for the reasons I stated above. 

Outside of first Lavin class (half of which were not eligible), you have to go back to Fran to find a ST John's coach that landed "top notch" talent.

2 1/3 of 9 = 50%?  Common Core Math is alive and well.

Who was the third of a player? Malik Boothe was a Norm recruit and that really is an unfair shot at his height.
I don't remember the exact number of recruits or who was eligible it was a guesstimate wise-ass. And whatever the actually number throw Lindsey in  there for not lasting 10 games .
 

Be fair, hyperbole can be hard.

Garrett presumably was the half. Pelle and Sampson the other two. Sanchez and Bourgault were iffy the next year. Rumor has it Jordan was going to be ineligible. Later there was the transcript hand off in the parking lot guy. Lavin cared about academics because some things are more important than winning when you're taking incremental or baby steps up the side or slope of the hill or mountain when you're looking to play your best basketball in February.

The one thing no one ever mentions regarding the Lavin era was the contrast in how he handled Jordan and Harrison.
He suspends Harrison for still unspecified infractions when it was going to be close in regards to us making the tourney. I know you thought he did that as almost a built in excuse. Now in fairness a couple of people have told me that he really was a pain in the butt but again odd timing.

Now contrast that with Jordan's handling.In a year where he was theoretically fighting for an extension he lets Jordan continue playing the while he stopped going to class and disappeared multiple times.

With Harrison he tried to come off as some kind of Father Flanagan when it suited his purpose but when he needed to win Jordan played.

As a coach, even a bad one, you get the sense of who is beyond redemption. Harrison was good kid whose actions were directly detrimental to the team. Jordan was a lost cause who wasn't going to change and whose selfishness and immaturity had more of an indirect effect on the team. It's probably unfair to give one player different treatment but that is just the reality of college basketball. There is also a connection you develop with each player and you don't want to hurt them outside of basketball. Ball was the only thing holding Jordan's life togetjer.

You can't even imagine the stuff that coaches have to deal with on a day to day basis. That is the reason I turned down my mentor's offer to take over the team and left the field entirely. I didn't want to deal with that for the next 40 years.

AD Goff's face said it all throughout the game. Hand on his mouth almost as if he couldn't believe what he was watching.

Half way to 0-18..... What an embarrassment. Any other coach not named Chris Mullin would be squarely on the hot seat right now.

If his name was anything but Chris Mullin for once we would all agree. Not the nicest most understanding poster would want him.

AD Goff's face said it all throughout the game. Hand on his mouth almost as if he couldn't believe what he was watching.

Is it possible he had a toothache? Because it's hard to believe he was stunned by watching St John's lose. He must be new. I've been around a while and I can't believe it when I see them win.

Quote from: Redman#13 on January 24, 2018, 08:34:32 AM

AD Goff's face said it all throughout the game. Hand on his mouth almost as if he couldn't believe what he was watching.

Is it possible he had a toothache? Because it's hard to believe he was stunned by watching St John's lose. He must be new. I've been around a while and I can't believe it when I see them win.

Are you conceding?

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Quote from: Redman#13 on January 24, 2018, 08:34:32 AM

AD Goff's face said it all throughout the game. Hand on his mouth almost as if he couldn't believe what he was watching.

Is it possible he had a toothache? Because it's hard to believe he was stunned by watching St John's lose. He must be new. I've been around a while and I can't believe it when I see them win.

Are you conceding?

Conceding what stupid.

Mullin's seat is not hot, everyone else's is on fire

Baldi is correct . Chris isnt going anywhere. The boosters are 40-50-60 years old will never get rid of him. Staff changes will happen but CM will be here till he decides he doesnt want to.

Quote from: thetruth8734 on January 24, 2018, 01:35:24 AM

Half way to 0-18..... What an embarrassment. Any other coach not named Chris Mullin would be squarely on the hot seat right now.

If his name was anything but Chris Mullin for once we would all agree. Not the nicest most understanding poster would want him.

If his name was anything other then Chris Mullin he wouldn't have been given the job in the first place

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AD Goff's face said it all throughout the game. Hand on his mouth almost as if he couldn't believe what he was watching.

Is it possible he had a toothache? Because it's hard to believe he was stunned by watching St John's lose. He must be new. I've been around a while and I can't believe it when I see them win.

Are you conceding?

Conceding what stupid.

That maybe our current coach may not be fully up to the job. Maybe

what about Goff's seat? He's the AD.  Given the overwhelming evidence to date, if Goff doesn't advocate for making a move then he should be shown the door as well.

Baldi is correct . Chris isnt going anywhere. The boosters are 40-50-60 years old will never get rid of him. Staff changes will happen but CM will be here till he decides he doesnt want to.

It's going to be a rough however many years until CM realizes he isn't a good coach and quits.

what about Goff's seat? He's the AD.  Given the overwhelming evidence to date, if Goff doesn't advocate for making a move then he should be shown the door as well.

Goff is going to sit down with Mullin and let him know changes have to be made. Goff also knows who the source is in these articles

You have to give Mullin another year. Ironically despite our record . we have played good teams close. The key to next year is we need our core to return and augment the staff. That said, We are St Johns, I get the feeling that our core returning is a big if and  that can derail our plans. Really hope Brooks signs. Has a real inside game. Which is another problem this year. Despite Clarks bulk and Owens height, they have a propensity to play on the perimiter, which leaves them out of position for rebounds.  Clark doesnt have a good inside game and is more of a 3 than 4 and Owens is more of a 4 than 5.

Quote from: apesNapes on January 24, 2018, 12:56:54 PM

what about Goff's seat? He's the AD.  Given the overwhelming evidence to date, if Goff doesn't advocate for making a move then he should be shown the door as well.

Goff is going to sit down with Mullin and let him know changes have to be made. Goff also knows who the source is in these articles

It's pretty obvious...the only guy who gets a positive mention. Matt A a slimy Fvck. We have six kids and he's the lead recruiter. He deserves more heat for this year.

With that written, I think we need a creative recruiter like him to finish off the roster via the transfer game.

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Quote from: Redman#13 on January 24, 2018, 08:34:32 AM

AD Goff's face said it all throughout the game. Hand on his mouth almost as if he couldn't believe what he was watching.

Is it possible he had a toothache? Because it's hard to believe he was stunned by watching St John's lose. He must be new. I've been around a while and I can't believe it when I see them win.

Are you conceding?

Conceding what stupid.

That maybe our current coach may not be fully up to the job. Maybe

Oh. No, I wasn't conceding that at all. I wasn't even addressing that. I speaking in general terms.

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Quote from: apesNapes on January 24, 2018, 12:56:54 PM

what about Goff's seat? He's the AD.  Given the overwhelming evidence to date, if Goff doesn't advocate for making a move then he should be shown the door as well.

Goff is going to sit down with Mullin and let him know changes have to be made. Goff also knows who the source is in these articles

It's pretty obvious...the only guy who gets a positive mention. Matt A a slimy Fvck. We have six kids and he's the lead recruiter. He deserves more heat for this year.

With that written, I think we need a creative recruiter like him to finish off the roster via the transfer game.

I believe he is the first to go