Hall Under Federal Investigation

Quote from: wpc77 on February 23, 2018, 07:46:20 PM

Quote from: redslope on February 23, 2018, 05:59:26 PM

Quote from: paultzman on February 23, 2018, 04:16:03 PM

Williard rip;
http://www.nj.com/setonhall/index.ssf/2018/02/kevin_williard_cant_plead_ignorance_ncaa_sleaze_sw.html

Thanks for sharing.  This certainly makes Lavin's stock go up in my eyes--as they say there but for the grace of God ( and realizing Tiny was dirty) goes SJU.

Careful.  Glass houses.

Yes...Be careful!  I always suspected that Amar Alibegovic and Joey De La Rosa only came to SJU because of big payoffs.   

Keep your head in the sand if u so choose.

Quote from: Alumni Haller on February 23, 2018, 09:26:05 PM

Quote from: wpc77 on February 23, 2018, 07:46:20 PM

Quote from: redslope on February 23, 2018, 05:59:26 PM

Quote from: paultzman on February 23, 2018, 04:16:03 PM

Williard rip;
http://www.nj.com/setonhall/index.ssf/2018/02/kevin_williard_cant_plead_ignorance_ncaa_sleaze_sw.html

Thanks for sharing.  This certainly makes Lavin's stock go up in my eyes--as they say there but for the grace of God ( and realizing Tiny was dirty) goes SJU.

Careful.  Glass houses.

Yes...Be careful!  I always suspected that Amar Alibegovic and Joey De La Rosa only came to SJU because of big payoffs.   

Keep your head in the sand if u so choose.

Do you have any inside info or are you just being careful?

Quote from: wpc77 on February 23, 2018, 11:41:26 PM

Quote from: Alumni Haller on February 23, 2018, 09:26:05 PM

Quote from: wpc77 on February 23, 2018, 07:46:20 PM

Quote from: redslope on February 23, 2018, 05:59:26 PM

Quote from: paultzman on February 23, 2018, 04:16:03 PM

Williard rip;
http://www.nj.com/setonhall/index.ssf/2018/02/kevin_williard_cant_plead_ignorance_ncaa_sleaze_sw.html

Thanks for sharing.  This certainly makes Lavin's stock go up in my eyes--as they say there but for the grace of God ( and realizing Tiny was dirty) goes SJU.

Careful.  Glass houses.

Yes...Be careful!  I always suspected that Amar Alibegovic and Joey De La Rosa only came to SJU because of big payoffs.   

Keep your head in the sand if u so choose.

Do you have any inside info or are you just being careful?

Nothing related to current staff or players

Quote from: Dan on February 24, 2018, 12:17:54 AM

Quote from: wpc77 on February 23, 2018, 11:41:26 PM

Quote from: Alumni Haller on February 23, 2018, 09:26:05 PM

Quote from: wpc77 on February 23, 2018, 07:46:20 PM

Quote from: redslope on February 23, 2018, 05:59:26 PM

Quote from: paultzman on February 23, 2018, 04:16:03 PM

Williard rip;
http://www.nj.com/setonhall/index.ssf/2018/02/kevin_williard_cant_plead_ignorance_ncaa_sleaze_sw.html

Thanks for sharing.  This certainly makes Lavin's stock go up in my eyes--as they say there but for the grace of God ( and realizing Tiny was dirty) goes SJU.

Careful.  Glass houses.

Yes...Be careful!  I always suspected that Amar Alibegovic and Joey De La Rosa only came to SJU because of big payoffs.   

Keep your head in the sand if u so choose.

Do you have any inside info or are you just being careful?

Nothing related to current staff or players

Makes sense -- nothing would surprise me about the Lavin regime, however.

Did Lav have any investigations while he was at UCLA?

Lav Knew Nothing! (He was just the lead recruiter at the time of the wrongdoing is all): http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1998-05-01/sports/9805010114_1_ucla-steve-lavin-ncaa-violation

have All the top 150 kids play in G or D or F league let the rest of kids go to school for free

have All the top 150 kids play in G or D or F league let the rest of kids go to school for free

Basically, what baseball does.  Yes that is what should be done.  Ncaa will never allow it for obvious reason$

Things stay the same, Duke will get players in the 150s and so on. Things stay the same just level of play will be a level below.

I don't understand all the women who feel compelled to bash former coaches like Lavin and/or Jarvis.  Let it go.  You're like a bunch of supposedly wronged housewives.

I don't understand all the women who feel compelled to bash former coaches like Lavin and/or Jarvis.  Let it go.  You're like a bunch of supposedly wronged housewives.

+1

Especially Lavin. We achieved nothing in 6 years with Norm Roberts and Lavin made us relevant again. How people can’t at least appreciate him for that is simply wrong.

Jarvis is a great example of how the media can paint a person out to be horrible. If Ron Artest is on vs Ohio State he’s as good of a coach as Lou Carnesecca. But clearly not as warm and inviting a person.

Quote from: newsman13 on February 25, 2018, 10:53:28 AM

I don't understand all the women who feel compelled to bash former coaches like Lavin and/or Jarvis.  Let it go.  You're like a bunch of supposedly wronged housewives.

+1

Especially Lavin. We achieved nothing in 6 years with Norm Roberts and Lavin made us relevant again. How people can’t at least appreciate him for that is simply wrong.

Jarvis is a great example of how the media can paint a person out to be horrible. If Ron Artest is on vs Ohio State he’s as good of a coach as Lou Carnesecca. But clearly not as warm and inviting a person.

In the beginning of the Lavin tenure, I thought he was the greatest.  number 3 recruiting class, great year 1. But, then I lost faith in him. But have to give him credit, his tenure was he best we had in 20 years. That is not to say Mullin won’t turn things around, but that remains to be seen. Re, Jarvis he alienated a lot of NY HS coaches, which affected recruiting negatively.

Quote from: Poison on February 25, 2018, 11:14:56 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on February 25, 2018, 10:53:28 AM

I don't understand all the women who feel compelled to bash former coaches like Lavin and/or Jarvis.  Let it go.  You're like a bunch of supposedly wronged housewives.

+1

Especially Lavin. We achieved nothing in 6 years with Norm Roberts and Lavin made us relevant again. How people can’t at least appreciate him for that is simply wrong.

Jarvis is a great example of how the media can paint a person out to be horrible. If Ron Artest is on vs Ohio State he’s as good of a coach as Lou Carnesecca. But clearly not as warm and inviting a person.

In the beginning of the Lavin tenure, I thought he was the greatest.  number 3 recruiting class, great year 1. But, then I lost faith in him. But have to give him credit, his tenure was he best we had in 20 years. That is not to say Mullin won’t turn things around, but that remains to be seen. Re, Jarvis he alienated a lot of NY HS coaches, which affected recruiting negatively.

Jarvis alienated a lot of local high school coaches, but Norm and Mullin haven’t. Together, Roberts and Mullin have landed 2 top 100 city players in 10 recruiting classes. The plan to keep the local talent home is what Lavin didn’t subscribe to. Instead he brought top talent to NYC. After the first couple of seasons, he didn’t bring very much top talent, but it’s clear that he brought more than Roberts and Mullin did.

Which strategy makes more sense? Seems like Lavin’s, doesn’t it?

Quote from: ras on February 25, 2018, 11:35:32 AM

Quote from: Poison on February 25, 2018, 11:14:56 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on February 25, 2018, 10:53:28 AM

I don't understand all the women who feel compelled to bash former coaches like Lavin and/or Jarvis.  Let it go.  You're like a bunch of supposedly wronged housewives.

+1

Especially Lavin. We achieved nothing in 6 years with Norm Roberts and Lavin made us relevant again. How people can’t at least appreciate him for that is simply wrong.

Jarvis is a great example of how the media can paint a person out to be horrible. If Ron Artest is on vs Ohio State he’s as good of a coach as Lou Carnesecca. But clearly not as warm and inviting a person.

In the beginning of the Lavin tenure, I thought he was the greatest.  number 3 recruiting class, great year 1. But, then I lost faith in him. But have to give him credit, his tenure was he best we had in 20 years. That is not to say Mullin won’t turn things around, but that remains to be seen. Re, Jarvis he alienated a lot of NY HS coaches, which affected recruiting negatively.

Jarvis alienated a lot of local high school coaches, but Norm and Mullin haven’t. Together, Norm and Mullin have landed 2 top 100 city players in 10 recruiting classes. The plan to keep the local talent home is what Lavin didn’t subscribe to. Instead he brought top talent to NYC.

This year the players that play are from Brooklyn, Bronx, California, Kansas City, Kansas City, and Maryland.

Next year the 4 main guys being added are from  Delaware, Philly, New Orleans, and Florida.

So yes, this staff tries to recruit NYC because there are good players here and it's easier to recruit locally. It would be flat out stupid not to recruit the local talent no matter what school you are. But they certainly aren't limiting themselves to just the local area

Quote from: Poison on February 25, 2018, 12:10:23 PM

Quote from: ras on February 25, 2018, 11:35:32 AM

Quote from: Poison on February 25, 2018, 11:14:56 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on February 25, 2018, 10:53:28 AM

I don't understand all the women who feel compelled to bash former coaches like Lavin and/or Jarvis.  Let it go.  You're like a bunch of supposedly wronged housewives.

+1

Especially Lavin. We achieved nothing in 6 years with Norm Roberts and Lavin made us relevant again. How people can’t at least appreciate him for that is simply wrong.

Jarvis is a great example of how the media can paint a person out to be horrible. If Ron Artest is on vs Ohio State he’s as good of a coach as Lou Carnesecca. But clearly not as warm and inviting a person.

In the beginning of the Lavin tenure, I thought he was the greatest.  number 3 recruiting class, great year 1. But, then I lost faith in him. But have to give him credit, his tenure was he best we had in 20 years. That is not to say Mullin won’t turn things around, but that remains to be seen. Re, Jarvis he alienated a lot of NY HS coaches, which affected recruiting negatively.

Jarvis alienated a lot of local high school coaches, but Norm and Mullin haven’t. Together, Norm and Mullin have landed 2 top 100 city players in 10 recruiting classes. The plan to keep the local talent home is what Lavin didn’t subscribe to. Instead he brought top talent to NYC.

This year the players that play are from Brooklyn, Bronx, California, Kansas City, Kansas City, and Maryland.

Next year the 4 main guys being added are from  Delaware, Philly, New Orleans, and Florida.

So yes, this staff tries to recruit NYC because there are good players here and it's easier to recruit locally. It would be flat out stupid not to recruit the local talent no matter what school you are. But they certainly aren't limiting themselves to just the local area

This is about recruiting top talent out of state. Next year, we are adding zero top 100 recruits from outside of NY, inside of NY, Europe or anywhere. This staff’s recruiting is on par with what Norm Roberts brought here.

Really hard to get top 100 recruits when he has no track record of winning, stable program developing players or show the ability to coach.

Quote from: ras on February 25, 2018, 11:35:32 AM

Quote from: Poison on February 25, 2018, 11:14:56 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on February 25, 2018, 10:53:28 AM

I don't understand all the women who feel compelled to bash former coaches like Lavin and/or Jarvis.  Let it go.  You're like a bunch of supposedly wronged housewives.

+1

Especially Lavin. We achieved nothing in 6 years with Norm Roberts and Lavin made us relevant again. How people can’t at least appreciate him for that is simply wrong.

Jarvis is a great example of how the media can paint a person out to be horrible. If Ron Artest is on vs Ohio State he’s as good of a coach as Lou Carnesecca. But clearly not as warm and inviting a person.

In the beginning of the Lavin tenure, I thought he was the greatest.  number 3 recruiting class, great year 1. But, then I lost faith in him. But have to give him credit, his tenure was he best we had in 20 years. That is not to say Mullin won’t turn things around, but that remains to be seen. Re, Jarvis he alienated a lot of NY HS coaches, which affected recruiting negatively.

Jarvis alienated a lot of local high school coaches, but Norm and Mullin haven’t. Together, Roberts and Mullin have landed 2 top 100 city players in 10 recruiting classes. The plan to keep the local talent home is what Lavin didn’t subscribe to. Instead he brought top talent to NYC. After the first couple of seasons, he didn’t bring very much top talent, but it’s clear that he brought more than Roberts and Mullin did.

Which strategy makes more sense? Seems like Lavin’s, doesn’t it?

I don’t care where they get the talent from. I agree we haven’t done that well locally and agree recruiting nationally is the way to go. Unfortunately I think SJU is a tough sell. It’s a catch 22. Can’t get good talent until we start winning.  But, can’t win w/o good talent. FWIW I think we have good talent. But are a couple of pieces short.

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Quote from: Poison on February 25, 2018, 12:10:23 PM

Quote from: ras on February 25, 2018, 11:35:32 AM

Quote from: Poison on February 25, 2018, 11:14:56 AM

Quote from: newsman13 on February 25, 2018, 10:53:28 AM

I don't understand all the women who feel compelled to bash former coaches like Lavin and/or Jarvis.  Let it go.  You're like a bunch of supposedly wronged housewives.

+1

Especially Lavin. We achieved nothing in 6 years with Norm Roberts and Lavin made us relevant again. How people can’t at least appreciate him for that is simply wrong.

Jarvis is a great example of how the media can paint a person out to be horrible. If Ron Artest is on vs Ohio State he’s as good of a coach as Lou Carnesecca. But clearly not as warm and inviting a person.

In the beginning of the Lavin tenure, I thought he was the greatest.  number 3 recruiting class, great year 1. But, then I lost faith in him. But have to give him credit, his tenure was he best we had in 20 years. That is not to say Mullin won’t turn things around, but that remains to be seen. Re, Jarvis he alienated a lot of NY HS coaches, which affected recruiting negatively.

Jarvis alienated a lot of local high school coaches, but Norm and Mullin haven’t. Together, Norm and Mullin have landed 2 top 100 city players in 10 recruiting classes. The plan to keep the local talent home is what Lavin didn’t subscribe to. Instead he brought top talent to NYC.

This year the players that play are from Brooklyn, Bronx, California, Kansas City, Kansas City, and Maryland.

Next year the 4 main guys being added are from  Delaware, Philly, New Orleans, and Florida.

So yes, this staff tries to recruit NYC because there are good players here and it's easier to recruit locally. It would be flat out stupid not to recruit the local talent no matter what school you are. But they certainly aren't limiting themselves to just the local area

This is about recruiting top talent out of state. Next year, we are adding zero top 100 recruits from outside of NY, inside of NY, Europe or anywhere. This staff’s recruiting is on par with what Norm Roberts brought here.

That can't be too bad considering the most success Lavin had here was with Norm's players

forget Top 100 local talent, we haven't even demonstrated an ability to secure a decent amount of locals that are in Top 500.

We're probably passing up decent kids thinking we can do better.....  How's that working out for us ?

forget Top 100 local talent, we haven't even demonstrated an ability to secure a decent amount of locals that are in Top 500.

We're probably passing up decent kids thinking we can do better.....  How's that working out for us ?

There are some blind Mullin zealots on here and we all know who they are. Clearly they don't want to hear the truth and make up all these excuses when the staff keeps going after marginal talent recruits.

No coach who has Mullin's pedigree was brought in here to dig for 2 star scraps who are nowhere near BE level players. It's just more of the same nutwashing that some on here like to do to cover up for the staff's shortcomings.