OOC RPI's next few games

Final Spring 2008 RPI's

Eastern Michigan       174   (209 & 260 2 prior years)

Loyola                     193 (but 90 & 148 2 prior years)

St Francis  NY           296

Bethune Cookman      328

N J I T                     341 (dead last)

I wish we would play some stronger teams.

People pick on attendance, but for the fans its still entertainment.
I go to 4-8 games/year buying individual games.
I cant get excited & buy tix for NJIT & Bethune, etc

I said it last month, we've got so many local stronger ooc opponents available.
I'd rather see us go 3-2 vs a schedule like LaSalle, URI, UMASS,
Temple, etc than 5-0 or 4-1 vs cupcakes.

Above teams have strong enough fan base, that we could do home & home.

But Umass, URI (even Albany or Delaware) on campus would be better games.

6 opponents w RPI's worse then 200 (yea 2 from NIT)
And I'm not including Cornell & Marist, 2 stronger local teams.

We play Duke, Miami, hopefully Va Tech, and BC.  Thats 4 ACC teams.

Our schedule looks worse because we didn't advance in the NIT Tipoff but we do need some cupcakes before the Big East schedule.

We play LIU, St. Francis, and Marist for local teams.  Do you want local teams only?  Bethune Howard and NJIT are not competitive but it lets us work on things and gives us court time to play together.  All teams do it.  Hopefully it helps build up some confidence for the sophomores.

IMO not much to complain about except maybe add one more midmajor team.

Eastern Michigan is still a MAC team. is there really such a difference between playing them, Manhattan or Hofstra?
Miami of Ohio just took UCLA down to the wire.

Loyola, Chicago is in a pretty good mid major conference, too.

Not a loaded conference, but neither of these teams is in the LIU/Howard class.

We're basically in agreement.

I think subbing out 2 of NJIT, Howard or Bethune for
2 stronger mid majors would have been more balanced.

Still would have had (pure cupcakes) LIU, St Francis +3rd above,
(plus Marist & Cornell) to work on things and give us time to play together.

We're basically in agreement.

I think subbing out 2 of NJIT, Howard or Bethune for
2 stronger mid majors would have been more balanced.

Still would have had (pure cupcakes) LIU, St Francis +3rd above,
(plus Marist & Cornell) to work on things and give us time to play together.

Except we can't just show up and beat Cornell and Marist.  So again the gripe comes down to one more mid major team.  Not that big of a difference from the current schedule.  And then if we advance in the NIT we get 2 more major conference teams on the schedule.  So I have no problem with the current schedule.

we need cupcakes.  every major team schedules them.  just so we don't think of big wins against them as season makers.

Paddin stats wit these team.
What you do in the BE that count. Tru.

at least one of these cupcakes will give us a run for our money...who is it gonna be?

at least one of these cupcakes will give us a run for our money...who is it gonna be?

Maybe a team coming off a 25 point loss to an IVY league team?
It's not going to be NJIT. Maybe Marist. They gave Rutgers a good game.

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on November 25, 2008, 12:50:35 PM

at least one of these cupcakes will give us a run for our money...who is it gonna be?

Maybe a team coming off a 25 point loss to an IVY league team?
It's not going to be NJIT. Maybe Marist. They gave Rutgers a good game.

After losing to Howard, Oregon St. just lost to Yale, 53-52.
Is it too late for Norm to schedule them?

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on November 25, 2008, 12:50:35 PM

at least one of these cupcakes will give us a run for our money...who is it gonna be?

Maybe a team coming off a 25 point loss to an IVY league team?
It's not going to be NJIT. Maybe Marist. They gave Rutgers a good game.

Marist is not a cupcake. Everyone has their own definition,
but to me its an RPI averaging worse than 200-250
 Their RPI the last 3 years was 121 to 154. Similar to SJU.

Now NJIT & Bethune are even worse than "Cupcakes"

Quote from: Poison on November 25, 2008, 12:52:29 PM

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on November 25, 2008, 12:50:35 PM

at least one of these cupcakes will give us a run for our money...who is it gonna be?

Maybe a team coming off a 25 point loss to an IVY league team?
It's not going to be NJIT. Maybe Marist. They gave Rutgers a good game.

Marist is not a cupcake. Everyone has their own definition,
but to me its an RPI averaging worse than 200-250
 Their RPI the last 3 years was 121 to 154. Similar to SJU.
They lost to Rutgers by only 2.

ST Johns should beat Marist by 20

Quote from: Poison on November 25, 2008, 12:52:29 PM

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on November 25, 2008, 12:50:35 PM

at least one of these cupcakes will give us a run for our money...who is it gonna be?

Maybe a team coming off a 25 point loss to an IVY league team?
It's not going to be NJIT. Maybe Marist. They gave Rutgers a good game.

Marist is not a cupcake. Everyone has their own definition,
but to me its an RPI averaging worse than 200-250
 Their RPI the last 3 years was 121 to 154. Similar to SJU.

Now NJIT & Bethune are even worse than "Cupcakes"

I'm sorry, but Marist isn't a cup cake? They finished at the bottom of a cup cake conference last year.
and they lost their best player in Louis McCroskey.

We just suck now, so teams that we used destroy can hang with us, and sometimes beat us.
But they are still cup cakes. Marist had a couple of good/lucky years, but those guys are gone now.

"They finished at the bottom of a cup cake conference last year."

Marist was 11-7 in the MAAC last year and 14-4 the year before.
I don't follow them at all, so I don't know who they lost.

They only lost to Rutgers by 2, so they are no where near a cupcake.

"They finished at the bottom of a cup cake conference last year."

Marist was 11-7 in the MAAC last year and 14-4 the year before.
I don't follow them at all, so I don't know who they lost.

They only lost to Rutgers by 2, so they are no where near a cupcake.

For tournament contenders Rutgers is a cupcake.   

Quote from: stevep502 on November 25, 2008, 04:41:45 PM

"They finished at the bottom of a cup cake conference last year."

Marist was 11-7 in the MAAC last year and 14-4 the year before.
I don't follow them at all, so I don't know who they lost.

They only lost to Rutgers by 2, so they are no where near a cupcake.

For tournament contenders Rutgers is a cupcake.  

This is one of those situations where if you don't recognize the fish at the table, you are the fish.

Rutgers is still, as you said, a cupcake for the big boys.
 

Quote from: stevep502 on November 25, 2008, 04:41:45 PM

"They finished at the bottom of a cup cake conference last year."

Marist was 11-7 in the MAAC last year and 14-4 the year before.
I don't follow them at all, so I don't know who they lost.

They only lost to Rutgers by 2, so they are no where near a cupcake.

For tournament contenders Rutgers is a cupcake.  

Exactly. I can't believe anyone would try to justify Marist.
Especially by what they did against Loyola, Rider, Iona and Fairfield.

Davidson, Butler, George Mason, Southern Illinois.
Those are mid majors.

Marist is a joke. They're going to get housed in the MAAC.
A cup cake conference if there ever was one.

I'm a big SJU homer, but:

by your definition, SJU is a cupcake too for tourn contenders too ?(since Rutgers is)

My mine, a cupcake is a team u should beat 90-95% of the time
ie a team w an RPI 100 to 150 below yours.

Quote from: stevep502 on November 25, 2008, 03:31:39 PM

Quote from: Poison on November 25, 2008, 12:52:29 PM

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on November 25, 2008, 12:50:35 PM

at least one of these cupcakes will give us a run for our money...who is it gonna be?

Maybe a team coming off a 25 point loss to an IVY league team?
It's not going to be NJIT. Maybe Marist. They gave Rutgers a good game.

Marist is not a cupcake. Everyone has their own definition,
but to me its an RPI averaging worse than 200-250
 Their RPI the last 3 years was 121 to 154. Similar to SJU.

Now NJIT & Bethune are even worse than "Cupcakes"

I'm sorry, but Marist isn't a cup cake? They finished at the bottom of a cup cake conference last year.
and they lost their best player in Louis McCroskey.

We just suck now, so teams that we used destroy can hang with us, and sometimes beat us.
But they are still cup cakes. Marist had a couple of good/lucky years, but those guys are gone now.

They also lost Jay Gavin.  Rutgers didn't have inman that game and it was essentially a first for their freshman.  I think if they played again in a few weeks Rutgers would win by double-digits.

I don't think Marist is a cupcake, though.  I think they are a team that could reasonably beat a low level Big East team.  They are not far from a cupcake, but to me a cupcake is an LIU, Howard, Stony Brook, and, certainly, NJIT.

I'm a big SJU homer, but:

by your definition, SJU is a cupcake too for tourn contenders too ?(since Rutgers is)

My mine, a cupcake is a team u should beat 90-95% of the time
ie a team w an RPI 100 to 150 below yours.

By my definition, no kidding.

But SJU and Rutgers are close to meeting cupcake status even by your parameters since their RPI's were 156 and 211 last year thus making them at least 100 below any at large teams RPI's.  Until they prove otherwise I see them both still there.  In fact by your standards Rutgers was almost a cupcake for Marist last year with an RPI 95 below the Foxes.

Now they both may be improved this year but they're both going to have a hard time getting out of the bottom of the BE and as the losses to the powers of the conference add up their RPI's will be adjusted accordingly.