LOCAL HOLIDAY TOURNAMENT!

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LOCAL HOLIDAY TOURNAMENT!
« on: December 05, 2008, 12:27:23 PM »
Great stuff by Sean Brennan, hopefully they can make this happen. Its been talked about enough

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/basketcase/2008/12/simple-plan-to-bring-excitemen.html

Hofstra coach Tom Pecora has long been a proponent of New York college hoops programs creating an annual tournament pitting the city's Division I programs against each other, similar to how Philadelphia does it with their annual Big Five tournament.

Wednesday night, after Hofstra posted a 60-40 victory over Fordham, Pecora spoke more about how much he enjoys playing the other area programs.

"Fordham and Hofstra, we have a history of playing each other and it's a series that we have to continue," Pecora said. "I did an interview (Tuesday) and I said everyone talks about what's going on with New York basketball and we laugh because we feel like we've had a pretty good run for a decade. (The Pride has 95 wins in its last five seasons and has averaged 19 wins a season for the last 10 years). But I think step one in that process is we all have to play each other, especially the city teams and the teams that have had good success over the years. It's important for us to continue to play Fordham, Manhattan, Iona, St. John's and all those other schools."

We agree with Pecora. A Big Five-type tournament (maybe even a Big Six?) might be just what the city needs to jump start big-time interest again. Perhaps a doubleheader or triple-dip at the Garden on a Saturday afternoon in December? You know, before the meat of the conference season kicks in.

Heck, it's got to be better than what the Garden has on tap for us at the Holiday Festival later this month. St. John's, Marist, Columbia and Virginia Tech? Why, they'll be packing the Garden by the tens for that field.

No way are we knocking the Red Foxes, who have had some pretty decent success the past few seasons. But they are in a major rebuilding mode under Chucky Martin this year. And Virginia Tech? The Hokies don't exactly get the city's basketball juices flowing.

No, we'd like to see St. John's remain the host, but have at least two of the other Division I programs from the city involved each season. Toss in an out-of-town big-name program (Gonzaga would be nice. How about Florida? Maryland? Michigan State?) and now you're talking.

Think back to the 2002-03 season when the Holiday Festival field featured Manhattan, Iona, St. John's and mighty North Carolina. Great field, great atmosphere - and great upsets. Iona shocked the Tar Heels with a 65-56 win and the Jaspers took care of the Johnnies, 72-65. If you were there, you remember the building was rocking. Good times, man. Good times.

Lately, though, St. John's seems to have gone out of its way to dodge Hofstra, Manhattan, Iona and Fordham. And it's no coincidence that St. John's has had more than it could handle against the other city schools.

Hofstra won its last four straight against St. John's and now hasn't played the Red Storm in two seasons. Manhattan won its last two vs. the Johnnies and now hasn't played them since knocking them out of that '02-'03 Holiday Festival. Fordham last played vs. St. John's in '02-'03, despite losing two of its last three meetings, and Iona last tangled with the Johnnies when the Gaels beat them, 70-57, in the 1995 Holiday Festival.

Yet somehow the Red Storm finds time to schedule St. Francis of Brooklyn, LIU and NJIT.

Now we're certainly not saying lose the Terriers and Blackbirds. They're local, they're in. But how about losing Bethune-Cookman and Howard? Exactly what kind of crowd packed Carnesecca Arena for that big Howard matchup?

We hope the powers that be will get together in the not-too-distant future, hammer out the details and get it done. We've already broached the subject with Barry Rohrssen at Manhattan, Kevin Willard at Iona and, like Pecora, they're all for it.

They're in. How about the rest of you?

« Last Edit: December 05, 2008, 12:30:33 PM by Marco Baldi »

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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2008, 12:33:45 PM »
great article...but behind the curve.

posters here and on the other sites have been saying this for years.

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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2008, 12:35:28 PM »
great article...but behind the curve.

posters here and on the other sites have been saying this for years.

YUP, maybe someone got the message? This would be great for the local schools and fans, a great holiday tourney for bragging rights

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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2008, 12:43:17 PM »
Yea its been talked about for a long long time but its definitely interesting that it keeps on getting brought about. I have to find the previous thread from not too long ago where other coaches were quoted about the NY tourney and merge it with this topic.

In the past 5 years it made no sense to play these teams and quite possibly lose when we're trying to make grounds in the NY recruiting game. "I don't want to go to St. John's they can't even beat Fordham" would have been the new motto. It gives us a lot to lose and everything for them to gain.

I think we're getting out of that rut though and maybe next year or year after this can happen. I think it would be a better idea than current Holiday Festival.
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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2008, 12:45:12 PM »
Yea its been talked about for a long long time but its definitely interesting that it keeps on getting brought about. I have to find the previous thread from not too long ago where other coaches were quoted about the NY tourney and merge it with this topic.

In the past 5 years it made no sense to play these teams and quite possibly lose when we're trying to make grounds in the NY recruiting game. "I don't want to go to St. John's they can't even beat Fordham" would have been the new motto. It gives us a lot to lose and everything for them to gain.

I think we're getting out of that rut though and maybe next year or year after this can happen. I think it would be a better idea than current Holiday Festival.

This current Holiday Festival has zero juice,BIG FAT ZERO

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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2008, 12:46:19 PM »
How about a 6 team tournament.

St. John's and another big conference school get a bye.

4 Locals face off and winners move on to face above teams in semis.

Hofstra Fordham Manhattan and Iona?  Or rotate the 4 teams.  Maybe reward the teams from the prior year that win the first round and add 2 new teams every year.

I think it would be too much to do what the Philly teams do.  Alot of them can count league games in the round robin.
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« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2008, 02:08:55 PM »
If they're calling it a city tournament then where do Hofstra and Iona fit in?   ;)

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« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2008, 02:10:30 PM »
If they're calling it a city tournament then where do Hofstra and Iona fit in?   ;)

I agree but Hofstra because they are typically better than most locals and Iona because Baldi is a fellow moderator :)
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« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2008, 04:34:39 PM »
Holiday Tourney was the straight up bomb back in the day.

Remember seein Travis Best and James Forrest beatin St. John at the buzzer. Controverse in the most extreme.

Remember seein Monster Mash do his thang but St. John keepin up wit Kentucky and showin they could play even if they lose. Turn the season around 'cause right before that they loss to Fordham back when that shizznazz was strictly uncommon.

Beautiful time. Beautiful ball.

Now what we got?

No juice. No buzz. Nuthin.

Pattin the dirt on the grave wit these weak ass matchups.
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Re: LOCAL HOLIDAY TOURNAMENT!
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2008, 04:54:13 PM »
It would be nice, but we aren't losing Kemba Walker and Jessie Sapp to Hofstra and Manhattan.

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« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2008, 08:33:28 PM »

Remember seein Monster Mash do his thang but St. John keepin up wit Kentucky and showin they could play even if they lose. Turn the season around 'cause right before that they loss to Fordham back when that shizznazz was strictly uncommon.

I don't think Mash did crap that game. Came in averaging like 29 ppg and I want to say we held him to 6. We also broke their press no problem by throwing the long ball. The problem was that we blew a lot of uncontested gimmes at the receiving end of the long ball.

I remember Pitino blowing a gasket in the first half.

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« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2008, 09:42:54 PM »

Remember seein Monster Mash do his thang but St. John keepin up wit Kentucky and showin they could play even if they lose. Turn the season around 'cause right before that they loss to Fordham back when that shizznazz was strictly uncommon.

I don't think Mash did crap that game. Came in averaging like 29 ppg and I want to say we held him to 6. We also broke their press no problem by throwing the long ball. The problem was that we blew a lot of uncontested gimmes at the receiving end of the long ball.

I remember Pitino blowing a gasket in the first half.

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Re: LOCAL HOLIDAY TOURNAMENT!
« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2008, 12:54:35 AM »
If we are going to have a tournament is should be the seven D-1 city teams + a CUNY champ or NYU for the sake of tradition.  We can schedule Iona and Hofstra seperately.  There are just too many NYC AREA teams.