Big East next year

Teams going down
Marquette - loses James, McNeal, Dwight Burke, Mathews

Providence - loses everybody

Uconn - loses Price, Thabeet, Adrien, Austrie...returns a terrifc Kemba and horrible Robinson.  Probably NIT caliber

Pitt - loses Blair, Young, Fields, Biggs - should miss postseason play

Teams going up

Seton Hall - loses only Gause, adds Fisher, Pope, Lawrence, Oliver.  Should be a sweet 16 caliber team

Cincy - Returns everyone, should compete for an NCAA berth, but still beatable

STJ - Returns everyone and brings back Mason

Group A
Syracuse
Nova
WV

Group B
SH
Cincy
STJ
Uconn
Louisville
ND
G'town

Group C
Pitt
Providence
Marquette
Depaul
USF
Rutgers

I think adding Lance puts us at the top of group B at worst.  I think the Big East will get six teams in next year.

i wouldn't be surprised to see blair stay.  if he does they should be a NCAA team.  esp with them bringing in a mcdonalds all american big man along with another very good player in lamar patterson from st benedict's...

GTOWN in group C.

GTOWN in group C.

Only if they lose either Summers or Monroe to the draft.  If they bring back Summers, Wright, and Monroe they will be alot better.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 11, 2009, 05:48:27 PM

GTOWN in group C.

Only if they lose either Summers or Monroe to the draft.  If they bring back Summers, Wright, and Monroe they will be alot better.

I dont see Summers being a pro,ever. All 3 better come back, Wright couldnt even get the ball up the court

this is a bad preview for the big east next year..you completely left out all incoming recruits..how can you preview without mentioning incoming freshmen..its a joke.

this is a bad preview for the big east next year..you completely left out all incoming recruits..how can you preview without mentioning incoming freshmen..its a joke.

You are the only joke I've seen on this board.  Seriously, pick another board to troll.  You offer nothing.

This is the Big East.  Freshmen not named Carmelo Anthony rarely take a team from one level to another.  What freshman did that this year?  None.

Marillac - I like how you spell berth correctly, btw (I effin hate it when people write "birth."). 

Disagree about Pitt.  They have a little talent coming in and they have a program - guys fill in the spaces left.  They'll be in the NCAAs, with or without Blair, and with or without Jamie Dixon (AZ might just come calling).

wow that was such an ignorant statement....go to scout.com and look up alex oriakhi and jamal coombs next year for Uconn. those two single handedly won the national prep tournament this year against some of the best competetion in America, including Omari lawrence. saying freshmen cant take a team to another level is just plain ignorant...do your research...

Quote from: bball_fan on March 11, 2009, 06:09:02 PM

this is a bad preview for the big east next year..you completely left out all incoming recruits..how can you preview without mentioning incoming freshmen..its a joke.

You are the only joke I've seen on this board.  Seriously, pick another board to troll.  You offer nothing.

This is the Big East.  Freshmen not named Carmelo Anthony rarely take a team from one level to another.  What freshman did that this year?  None.

Please don't discourage people to post. You can disagree with them but don't tell them to take a hike. Leave that to me.

wow that was such an ignorant statement....go to scout.com and look up alex oriakhi and jamal coombs next year for Uconn. those two single handedly won the national prep tournament this year against some of the best competetion in America, including Omari lawrence. saying freshmen cant take a team to another level is just plain ignorant...do your research...

I don't think he was giving a preview but more of an overview. Freshman aren't guarentees and all he was doing was letting people know how rosters were being shaken up. I thought his assessment of teams moving up and down were fair. Again this is his opinion, yours might be different. Here we are accepting of others opinions. Care to share your analysis on the big east next year?

We are still in group C we didn't pick up a PG or a player with any kind of post moves. When we play top post players they out muscle our front line. The bigest non change is the coach we can't run our sets.  I say we finish at 11 next year, 9th at best if Lance comes.

Here's a Pretty Comprehensive List of the Comings/Goings for next year I've been working on.  Draw your own conclusions:

BE Changes 09:

Louisville:
Leaving:  Earl Clark, T-Will, Andre McGee Will Scott
Coming:  4*  Peyton Siva, Rakeem Buckles, 3* Stephan Van Tresse, Mike Marra
Key returnees:  Samardo Samuels, Edgar Sosa, Jerry Smith, Preston Knowles, Terrance Jennings, Reggie Delk, Jarod Swopshire, George Goode

Pitt:
Leaving:  Levance Fields, Sam Young, Tyrell Biggs, DeJuan Blair(?)
Coming:  5* Dante Taylor, 4* Lamar Patterson, 3* J.J. Richardson, Talib Zanna + Redshirt Dwight Miller
Key Returnees:  Jermaine Dixon, Brad Wanamaker, Gilbert Brown, Ashton Gibbs, Travon Woodall, Nasir Robinson

Connecticut:
Leaving:  AJ Price, Craig Austrie, Jeff Adrien, Hasheem Thabeet (?)
Coming:  5* Alex Oriakhi, 4* Jamaal Coombs, 2* Jamaal Trice + Ater Majok, Charles Okwandu
Key Returnees:  Jerome Dyson, Kemba Walker, Stanley Robinson, Gavin Edwards, Scotty Harrelson, Jonathan Mandelove

Villanova:
Leaving:  Dante Cunningham, Shane Clark, Dwayne Anderson, Frank Tchuisi
Coming:  5* Dominic Cheek,  4* Maalik Wayns, Mouphtauo Yarou, Isaiah Armwood, + Transfer Taylor King and Redshirt  Maurice Sutton
Key Returnees:  Scottie Reynolds, Cory Fisher, Cory Stokes, Reggie Redding, Antonio Pena

Marquette:
Leaving:  Dominic James, Jerel McNeal, Wesley Matthews, Dwight Burke
Coming:  4* Junior Cadougan, Erik Williams, Jeronne Maymon, 3* Dwight Buycks (JC), 2* Brett Roseboro + Transfer Liam McMorrow
Key Returnees:  Lazr Haywood, Jimmy Butler, Maurice Acker, Patrick Hazel, David Cubillan, Chris Otule

Syracuse:
Leaving:  Kristof Ongenaet, Johnny Flynn (?)
Coming:  4* Desonte Riley, 3* Brandon Triche, James Southerland + Transfer Wesley Johnson
Key Returnees:  Eric Devendorf, Paul Harris, Aninze Onuaku, Andy Rautins, Rick Jackson, Mookie Jones, Kris Joseph

West Virginia:
Leaving:  Alex Ruoff
Coming:  4* Dan Jennings, 3* Dalton Pepper, Deniz Kilicli, Casey Mitchell (JC)
Key Returnees:  Desean Butler, Devin Ebanks, Daryl Bryant Kevin Jones, Wellington Smith, Joe Mazzulla, John Flowers, Cam Throughman

Providence:
Leaving:  Jeff Xavier, Geoff McDermott, Weme Efijuku, Randall Hanke, Jonathan Kale
Coming:  3* Johnnie Lacy, Vincent Council, James Still, Kadeem Batts, 2*Duke Mondy, Kyle Wright, 1* Russell Permenter (JC)
Key Returnees:  Sharaud Curry, Marshon Brooks, Brian McKenzie, Alex Kellogg

Cincy:
Leaving:  No one
Coming:  4*  John Riek 3*  Sean Kilpatrick, Cashmere Wright + Transfer Ibrahima Thomas
Key Returnees:  Everyone

Notre Dame:
Leaving:  Kyle McAlarney, Zack Hillestand, Ryan Ayers, Luke Zeller
Coming:  3* Jack Cooley, Tom Knight, Joey Brooks, Mike Broghammer + Transfers:  Ben Hansborough, Scott Martin
Key Returnees:  Luke Harangoady, Tory Jackson, Ty Nash, Jonathan Peoples

Seton Hall:
Leaving:  Paul Gause
Coming:  Nobody + Transfers Keon Lawrence, Melvin Oliver, Herb Pope
Key Returnees:  Everyone not named Paul Gause

Georgetown:
Leaving:  Jessie Sapp, Greg Monroe (?)
Coming:  4* Hollis Thompson
Key Returnees; Dajuan Summers, Chris Wright, Austin Freeman, Jason Clark, Nikita Mshshereserasrhe, Omar Watted, Henry Sims, Julian Vaughn

St. Johns:
Leaving:  Tomas Jasioulonis
Coming:  4* Omari Lawrence, 3* Dwight Hardy + the resurrection of Anthony Mason Jr.
Key Returnees:  Everyone

USF:
Leaving:  Jesus Verdejo, Molobji Ayaji, Aris Williams
Coming:    2* Shaun Noriega, Jordan Dumars, 1* Mike Burwell
Key Returnees:  Dominique James, Gus Gilchrist, Chris Howard, Alex Sanchez, Eliadio Espinosa, Justin Leemow

Rutgers:
Leaving:  Anthony Farmar, JR Inman, Jaron Griffin, Corey Chandler(?)
Coming:  3*  Dane Miller, Austin Johnson No*  Brian Okam + Transfer Jonathan Mitchell
Key Returnees:  Mike Rosario, Greg Echenique, Hamady N’Diaye, Earl Pettis, Mike Coburn, Patrick Jackson

DePaul:
Leaving:  Jabari Currie, Matia Poscic, Dar Tucker (?)
Coming:  3* Tony Freeland, 2*  Mike Stovall
Key Returnees:  Mac Koshwal, Will Walker, Jeremiah Kelly, Devin Hill, Michael Bizoukis, Krys Faber, Kene Obi, Mario Stula

Teams going down
Marquette - loses James, McNeal, Dwight Burke, Mathews

Providence - loses everybody

Uconn - loses Price, Thabeet, Adrien, Austrie...returns a terrifc Kemba and horrible Robinson.  Probably NIT caliber

Pitt - loses Blair, Young, Fields, Biggs - should miss postseason play

Teams going up

Seton Hall - loses only Gause, adds Fisher, Pope, Lawrence, Oliver.  Should be a sweet 16 caliber team

Cincy - Returns everyone, should compete for an NCAA berth, but still beatable

One question, only because I would add it to my recap if I knew, but who's this Fisher you have coming to Seton Hall.  Honestly don't recall that one nor have I seen anything in my "exhaustive" research.

wow that was such an ignorant statement....go to scout.com and look up alex oriakhi and jamal coombs next year for Uconn. those two single handedly won the national prep tournament this year against some of the best competetion in America, including Omari lawrence. saying freshmen cant take a team to another level is just plain ignorant...do your research...

How can two players single-handedly do anything?  You single-handedly make yourself look like an idiot, but two people can't SINGLE-handedly do anything. 

What did you wake up today, have courage for breakfast, and decide you were going to take on the entire basketball world?

I didn't say freshman "can't" take a team to another level.  I said it is rare and it really didn't happen this past year.  Sure, there were some freshman that contribute well like a Kemba Walker or Samuels, but their teams would have been great without them as well. 

I offered a brief overview of the Big East for next year.  The point of the thread was to show some hope for us.  We SHOULD jump over 4-5 teams right off the bat.  I don't know if we will, but we SHOULD.

I am always weary, like Peter pointed out, of a PROGRAM like Pitt.  They have some good young players returning, they have a terrific coach, and they just win.  Dixon doesn't need the same talent or experience returning to beat a team coached by Roberts.

Bottomline, things are very much in STJ's favor for next year.  A lot of the league will be reloading and rebuilding and we will have 10 juniors and fifth year senior.  Development will be in our favor. 

Great job marillac.  Thanks for the analysis.

development might be in our favor, but my first thought is that our losses will be by single digits instead of double digits.  Then again, a lot of teams send their major contributors out the door... so maybe some positivity is in order.  hard to see right now, though.

For the sHort term it does look better.  For some reason I keep looking long term.  An optimistic view over the next two years projects us prob between 6-10 range of BE teams.  Nothing special but an improvement.  My problem is then in two years 9 guys graduate and we are left with OMari, Quincy, Ty, Wait and a 2010 class that hopefully includes at least a Big East point guard.  THe point is we are gonna go through the same song and dance as far as rebuilding goes.   

WHen I look at the Big East this is what i see....

Louisville - Pitino
Uconn - Calhoun
Pitt - Dixon
Cuse - Jimmy B
Nova - JW
West Va -Huggins
Georgetown - JT III (being generous but did recruit the top player last year and has been to a final 4)

These are all schools that have shown the ability to consistently get big time talent and coach them up.  Unfortunately, we dont have that luxury and will never compete with these 6-7 schools on a consistent basis.  It's what happened to Uconn 3-4 years ago.  Look at them since.  We havent shown that we can even be competitive yet in 5 years, let alone be elite and rebuild in 1 year. 

Im not delusional and saying we should be on par with these teams, Im just giving what i view as our current and future position in this conference.       

My problem is then in two years 9 guys graduate and we are left with OMari, Quincy, Ty, Wait and a 2010 class that hopefully includes at least a Big East point guard. 

Amazingly with 7 guys in that class...Norm adds Wait and a JUCO to the mix to make it 9.