Isola: Calipari/Mullin

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Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« on: March 13, 2009, 03:24:47 PM »
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/knicks/2009/03/chris-mullin-could-join-knicks.html#comments

The buzz around the NBA is that Memphis coach John Calipari would definitely be interested in coming to St. John's if the job becomes available. I know coach Cal and Lou Carnesecca are not the best of friends but Calipari could be the one guy that can turn around the program and fill Madison Square Garden.

I'm pretty sure the only folks who wouldn't want to see Calipari at St. John's would be the coaches at UConn, Louisville, Pitt, Villanova, Syracuse….


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Chris Mullin was very visible at this week's Big East Tournament at the Garden and no doubt spent some quality time with Knicks president Donnie Walsh. Mullin, the St. John's legend, is on the outs with Golden State and could end up working for Walsh next season.

Walsh has hinted that he may make some changes to the front office, although Glen Grunwald has proven to be an important asset and will likely stay. Grunwald is exactly the kind of employee you want working for you; he does his job, he does it well and he's not a self-promoter. Grunwald, hired by Isiah Thomas, prefers to play it low-key and I think Walsh appreciates that style.

The three most likely candidates to be brought in are Mullin, Billy Knight and Billy King. All three have a history with Walsh, dating back to their days with the Indiana Pacers.

Knight built a strong team in Atlanta but his decision to pass over Chris Paul and Deron Williams ultimately cost him his job. Mullin rebuilt the Warriors several years ago by trading for Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson and drafting Monta Ellis. King, the former Sixers' GM, has watched his value soar the past two years. He is responsible for drafting Andre Iguodala, Thaddeus Young and Louis Williams. But King's best deal was trading Allen Iverson to Denver for Andre Miller. The move was an absolute stroke of genius.




Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2009, 03:44:29 PM »
Where do these guys get this from?

Yeah Calipari would love to take a pay cut.

I hear Pitino wants a paycut too. ::)

In fact there's some buzz about Coach K wanting to get out of Durham. :-[
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Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2009, 03:54:42 PM »
Where do these guys get this from?

Yeah Calipari would love to take a pay cut.

I hear Pitino wants a paycut too. ::)

In fact there's some buzz about Coach K wanting to get out of Durham. :-[

There is NO comparison between Pitino and K's situations to Calipari's.  Louisville and the Research Triangle are BEAUTIFUL areas in the South.  Duke is in the ACC, Louisville in the Big East.  K has coached at Duke for 25+ years.  Pitino hasn't been a college coach outside of Kentucky since the 80s! Both schools get a TON of pub!

Calipari on the other hand is the coach at Memphis, which is in the measley Conf. USA.  They have had a fantastic year and have only recently been getting as much pub as they probably deserve.  Cal has NEVER coached in a big time conference - including the Atlantic Division in the NBA!

Cal would get tons of publicity in NYC, be a big timer in the Big East finally, would fill MSG, and would ABSOLUTELY bring St. John's back to glory.  I say NCAA tourney next year (he'd get Lance too I bet), and Final Four caliber team the year after after bringing in a few top frosh and developing our current soph class into very good players as seniors!  2 year turnaround!

If St. John's could offer him an incentive laden contract like Marillac has laid out various time, I guarantee he would come!

Problem is the Louie and Fr. Harrington issues....I doubt it ever happens...but it won't be bc of Cal...in my humble opinion.
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Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2009, 04:16:55 PM »
Besides the money issue - which would be huge, I think - there's the slightly dirty issue.  I'm not just talking the past with U Mass, I'm talking Worldwide Wes and hiring Milt Wagner.  Whether he has done something beyond the law or extracurricular, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about the air of impropriety that surrounds the man, that this school has shown that they are averse to.

Seriously, we're here because - and I forget who so aptly put this in another thread - some guys went out to get some trim in Pittsburgh.  They didn't kill anyone or smack any fans or anything.

Cal could - once he likely removes a number of current players from the roster - get the best ballers in the nation every single year.  He could field a team of 9 freshmen (and a few transfers from Kansas or Memphis or Xavier or wherever outside the Big East the NY players are going) in 2011 and get this team to the Elite Eight.

Hell, he might be able to walk on water.  But we're not gonna see that at St. John's.

Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2009, 04:23:38 PM »
There is NO comparison between Pitino and K's situations to Calipari's.  Louisville and the Research Triangle are BEAUTIFUL areas in the South.  Duke is in the ACC, Louisville in the Big East.  K has coached at Duke for 25+ years.  Pitino hasn't been a college coach outside of Kentucky since the 80s! Both schools get a TON of pub!

Calipari on the other hand is the coach at Memphis, which is in the measley Conf. USA.  They have had a fantastic year and have only recently been getting as much pub as they probably deserve.  Cal has NEVER coached in a big time conference - including the Atlantic Division in the NBA!

Cal would get tons of publicity in NYC, be a big timer in the Big East finally, would fill MSG, and would ABSOLUTELY bring St. John's back to glory.  I say NCAA tourney next year (he'd get Lance too I bet), and Final Four caliber team the year after after bringing in a few top frosh and developing our current soph class into very good players as seniors!  2 year turnaround!

If St. John's could offer him an incentive laden contract like Marillac has laid out various time, I guarantee he would come!

Problem is the Louie and Fr. Harrington issues....I doubt it ever happens...but it won't be bc of Cal...in my humble opinion.

I, agree with you, Tha Kid....  I, recall a handful of Johnny fans (The Maven and a few others) were pretty, confident that Cal was interested in the then-vacant St. John's job.  As, The Kid mentioned....  Cal's situation is totally different than Pitino's and K's.  Cal will be coaching in NYC and, if not the best conference, one of the top 2 conference's in college basketball!

Cal would instantaneously bring credibility and respectibility to St. John's within two seasons.  Imagine, not only the top NYC/NJ area players, but the top players outside of those areas will consider St. John's, as well.  Cal knows that NYC is the 'big stage' and he would be the 'King of NYC,' once he brought St. John's back to prominence.

It should've been a no-brainer of a hire back in 2004 and even, moreso of a no-brainer today!  The dollars would come, as MSG would consistenly field 11-12,000 or more fans (considering, who we're playing that particular day) each and every, single time the Johnnies play there. 

What is St. John's currently paying Roberts?  I do not know Roberts salary, but they could pay Calipari a base salary of like $500-600,000 and he'll receive more in perks and other residual ways. 

You hire Cal and Lance Stephenson will be all but ours and 'ya never know.... Cal could possibly, lure John Wall and a verbal or two he has with Memphis (Cousins and Henry).  The new coach doesn't have to renew the schollies of players he never recruited.  Actually, the current coach doesn't have to do so, either, but that's another story..... 

Nevertheless, who wouldn't take Cal and possibly, luring Wall, Cousins and Henry to join him in Queens?  Again, folk..... A NO-BRAINER!

More e-mails and letters to the AD and president, please! 

Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2009, 04:28:24 PM »
not trying to compare the coaches...just calling it a pipe dream.

Calipari has had chances to leave Memphis and he has not.  Why St. John's?

I'm not sure who's more delusional...the admin...or the fan base.
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Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2009, 04:31:28 PM »
not trying to compare the coaches...just calling it a pipe dream.

Calipari has had chances to leave Memphis and he has not.  Why St. John's?

I'm not sure who's more delusional...the admin...or the fan base.


i just posted this in the other thread but i guess ill say it again here, sorry dave :P...cal has expressed in the past how much he wanted the st johns job...he wanted to be here badly when norm was hired but the admin didnt want him...they wanted a nice guy :)

Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2009, 04:46:10 PM »
not trying to compare the coaches...just calling it a pipe dream.

Calipari has had chances to leave Memphis and he has not.  Why St. John's?

I'm not sure who's more delusional...the admin...or the fan base.


i just posted this in the other thread but i guess ill say it again here, sorry dave :P...cal has expressed in the past how much he wanted the st johns job...he wanted to be here badly when norm was hired but the admin didnt want him...they wanted a nice guy :)

I guess I'll pad my post count too. 8)  When/where has Cal EVER expressed how much he wanted the St. John's job?
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Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #8 on: March 13, 2009, 04:53:58 PM »
i'd do almost anything to get calipari here.

sjd8886

Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #9 on: March 13, 2009, 05:06:38 PM »
it was 5 years ago during the coaching search...im not gonna sit at my computer and try to find the interviews but there were two articles i read where he expressed a high interest in the job...i wouldnt know how to find the quotes without searching forever on the computer but since im not making this up im sure there are others on the board that will back me up on it

Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2009, 05:39:58 PM »
I did a quick google search and back in 1996...he wasn't interested...didn't even want to interview.


"It looks as though the athletic director of St. John's, Ed Manetta, can cross John Calipari's name off his wish list.

Bob Marcum, the athletic director at Massachusetts, said Calipari had reiterated to him yesterday that he was not interested in the vacant St. John's coaching position and that, by extension, Marcum would not give Manetta permission to speak to his coach about the job.

He told me an hour ago, 'I'm not interested in that,' " Marcum said yesterday of his conversation with Calipari. "If they would ask permission, I would deny it."

Hiring Calipari was viewed as a long shot, at best. Manetta has already talked with Manhattan's Fran Fraschilla, Florida State's Pat Kennedy, Bradley's Jim Molinari and Marquette's Mike Deane."



In 2004...

"Every year, I'm rumored to be getting a different job," the former Nets coach said. "I let people talk. I just do my job. If my name is out there, I guess it's out there."

And most recently...

"There is a torrent of talk on Internet message boards speculating on the possibility that John Calipari might be interested in job openings at Alabama or Georgia, or in a potential job at Kentucky should Billy Gillispie get fired.

Perhaps more correctly, there are thousands of fans at all three of those SEC schools who cast their gaze longingly towards Memphis, Tennessee and assume that he would be eager to work there.
Then, there is the matter of salary.

After last year’s run, Athletic Director R.C. Johnson extended Calipari’s contract and gave him a huge raise. The base compensation package was increased to $2.35 million.

Additionally, an annuity that Coach Cal was set to receive should he stay in Memphis until 2010 was doubled, from $2.5 million to $5 million...and was added to his salary over the course of the contract.

This essentially raised his pay to $3.35 million per year, excluding bonuses for graduation rates and team accomplishments. He would receive $400,000, for instance, if he were to guide Memphis to a national title.

Only one college basketball coach—Florida’s Billy Donovan, at $3.5 million per annum—takes home more than Calipari."


Do you really think St. John's will make Calipari the best paid coach in the country?

St. John's offers 2 things that most other schools don't have...close proximity to recruits and proximity to NYC and its amenities.  We don't have near the money that the state schools do.

When you're a kid from New York and you do it in New York, that lasts forever!

sjd8886

Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2009, 05:51:54 PM »
idk why that was said...might have been after the admin told him to screw off, you never know...but keep looking...he was interested in the job...francesca, who is very close with cal, as recent as yesterday, mentioned the fact that cal was very interested

sjd8886

Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2009, 05:54:31 PM »
i dont think it really matters...theres a hall of fame coach currently sitting on his ass who wants to coach immediately

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« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2009, 06:05:14 PM »


Do you really think St. John's will make Calipari the best paid coach in the country?

St. John's offers 2 things that most other schools don't have...close proximity to recruits and proximity to NYC and its amenities.  We don't have near the money that the state schools do.

No, I don't.

It would take creative financing.
His benefactor, Worldwide Wes, is already tight with a lot of the Nike money. If Nike subsidizes a substantial portion of it, Monasch adds massive escalators tied to MSG attendance (Carnesecca seating is just too small to warrant paying a home run head coach), hit on the largest "development" donors, and work with Calipari's agent about potential commercial venues, it might approach it.

He'd have to be assured that alumni and local businessmen will set up a comparable program to the infamous Fed Ex internship program. Also, Fr. Harrington would give him the ethical leeway to set up an on-campus player housing similar to the notorious Memphis "Mansion." 

sjd8886

Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2009, 06:13:57 PM »
yea, i doubt he'd make a lot in endorsements in nyc compared to memphis...all joking aside though, you hear about once in a lifetime opportunities...knight wants to coach, sooner or later someone is going to offer him

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Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #15 on: March 13, 2009, 06:23:33 PM »
I think Calipari would love to come to New York.  Once again, he is a restaurant man.  What better place to come than NYC.  I understand this, as I would like to on day open a restaurant in NYC. 

Memphis is a disgusting, disgusting city.  It is Newark with a terrible meth problem.  If you've ever watched "Cops" you were probably watching an arrest in Memphis. 

Cal is a guy that know how to create money for himself.  What better place then NYC.  There are probably twenty one hour speaking engagements he can give for 20k each at rich high schools or companies in NY.

Also, consider that the St. John's name is golden to a somebody growing up in his era. Heck, it was golden in my era.

What coach wouldn't want to turn around a sleeping giant that is struggling as bad as St. John's? 

I say throw all the money you can at him.  Get creative...he is confident.  It is an investment in the school.  Ticket sales will spike, tv and radio will benefit, applications will rise, and contributions will spike.  Is two mill realy that much money for a school this size?!?!?

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Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #16 on: March 13, 2009, 07:03:15 PM »
Nike would help with some of the costs.

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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2009, 07:15:36 PM »
Memphis is a disgusting, disgusting city.  It is Newark with a terrible meth problem.  If you've ever watched "Cops" you were probably watching an arrest in Memphis. 
Memphis was the bankruptcy and STD (battling Baltimore) capital of the US-before panic of 2008. It had more than triple the national murder rate, in a country that already has a murder problem. It routinely finishes in the top 5 in the FBI's annual most violent American cities analysis. It has major corruption and public education issues. The campus is, to be very kind, below-average. Last month, Forbes just awarded it the second most miserable city in the country.

On the positive side, the housing is very affordable and Rendezvous makes some of the BBQ in the country.
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Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #18 on: March 13, 2009, 08:23:11 PM »


Do you really think St. John's will make Calipari the best paid coach in the country?

St. John's offers 2 things that most other schools don't have...close proximity to recruits and proximity to NYC and its amenities.  We don't have near the money that the state schools do.

No, I don't.

It would take creative financing.
His benefactor, Worldwide Wes, is already tight with a lot of the Nike money. If Nike subsidizes a substantial portion of it, Monasch adds massive escalators tied to MSG attendance (Carnesecca seating is just too small to warrant paying a home run head coach), hit on the largest "development" donors, and work with Calipari's agent about potential commercial venues, it might approach it.

He'd have to be assured that alumni and local businessmen will set up a comparable program to the infamous Fed Ex internship program. Also, Fr. Harrington would give him the ethical leeway to set up an on-campus player housing similar to the notorious Memphis "Mansion."

I agree with you.  I think Cal would gladly and confidently accept a deal rich in incentives like 1/3 of the new ticket sales and 1/3 of the new basketball donations. 

I also think Cal can make more money owning an awesome restaurant in Manhattan and he'll be in the media capital of the world for appearances and speaking engagements.  Not to mention Nike and other corporate money he could get his hands on. 

He'd be the king of New York.

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Re: Isola: Calipari/Mullin
« Reply #19 on: March 13, 2009, 09:06:03 PM »
Bad time to open a (likely mid- to high-end)restaurant.  Just sayin'.

Also: Cal's contract:
http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/apr/15/calipari-agrees-principle-contract-extension-raise/

Though athletic director R.C. Johnson declined to reveal the terms of the deal when reached Tuesday morning, sources previously told The Commercial Appeal that the school was working on a package to pay Calipari about $2.5 million annually.

The deal is also expected to include raises for Memphis' assistant coaches and various facility upgrades.

"Until we get everything resolved, I don't want to get into specifics but we've agreed to the main areas both in redoing his contract and extending his contract," Johnson said by phone after returning from NCAA Management Council meetings in Indianapolis. "We've got some things that are not difficult but things that have to be worked out that we just have to get together to do. We wanted to redo it and extend it, and we've done that."

Calipari was paid $1.8 million in guaranteed salary this past season, not including bonuses for leading Memphis to a 38-2 record and its first Final Four appearance since 1985. In addition to the raise, Calipari is set to collect a $2.5 million annuity if he stays through the 2010 season, which would be his 10th at Memphis....

A contract valued at $2.5 million annually would make Calipari one of the highest-paid coaches in the country, in the same stratosphere as Louisville's Rick Pitino ($2.25-$2.5 million), Kentucky's Billy Gillispie ($2.3million) and Kansas' Bill Self, who is currently negotiating a new deal after beating Memphis for the national title.

Though Duke's Mike Krzyzewski reportedly is paid $1.3 million and North Carolina's Roy Williams is paid $1.4 million, they both reportedly pull in more than that through shoe contracts. Florida's Billy Donovan is the nation's highest-paid coach at $3.5 million per year.

"I'm going to do everything possible to take care of him," Johnson said. "We're excited we'll be able to get a nice new package put together for him."
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