6th man improvements

I know I have not been to a St Johns Home Game since 2006 with 2007-08 me living in Virginia and I was supposed to go to the Georgetown game at the Verizon Center if it was not for a free house temporary use in Riverhead and me spending all of 2008-09 in the hospital with tracheal stenosis which took my voice and put a trach in my neck but from asking how people act during games and reading how Public Safety is turning the campus into the NO FUN POLICE, I have a few ideas for this season:

1st: Inspired by Fireman Ed and when I lived in Northern Virginia, The Hogettes, we should assign a fan who is very spirited and have him dress up in an indian chief costume and that person SHOULD LEAD THE SECTION IN CHEERS OR CHANTS similar to Fireman Ed. This way, we stay true to our Redmen ways and if the university tries to interfere, we have the ACLU and first amendment on our side. Besides Yankees have Freddy, Jets have Ed, Broncos have the Barrell Man, and Now, WE HAVE CONTROL TO GET OUR CHIEF BACK.

2nd: WE NEED A FIGHT SONG. Its embarassing to me that SJU has no fight song. We should assign someone who is a good songwriter and write three for us and we pick the right one.

3rd: WE ARE ST JOHNS is unoriginal. Lots of schools have this chant. Instead, how about in staying true to our REDMEN ways, HAIL TO....ST JOHNS (I know I am going to get flack over this one but my high school did this chant and from watching Redskins games during my time in Northern Virginia, Hail to the Redskins is now a catchy tune in my head and I lived 10 minutes from the Ashburn practice facility)

4th: Prepare a retaliatory chant when we face Syracuse to tell them THEY ARE NOT NY OR THEIR FAKE NY. Like YOUR NOT NY inspired by St Joes chant to Villanova of YOURE NOT PHILLY during their yearly butt kicking in the rivarly. I cant identify the poster but you know who you are because you know I get the urge to break each taxi ad that has Syracuse, NY number one team during my outside privellges each day when I sit and enjoy the sun or take a walk around the New York Presbyterian Cornell Hospital Perimeter.

5th: Always shoot down a chant that has STORM in it, the more we refuse to accept the nickname, the more we might get a change in it (I know the odds are unlikely but we can't give up besides, we are making great progress with the JOHNNIES CHANT, I can hear that on my tv)

6th: Become more ECW Arena like with making it hostile to opponetts like what Duke does.

I know I am in no position to talk but this is coming from a guy who was the only one who defended SJU's honor in a 2002 SJU-UCONN game at UCONN with a two minute in your face debate which slienced UCONN's student section with their hands in praying mode for a fight and me and another guy started a fake arugment fight during a ND game later that year which sounded convincing to some because it was silent as a library in the Garden. I want SJU crowds to be intimidating, we should be, we taunt Red Sox fans at Yankee Stadium and we shut-up Phillies fans at Citi Field. I am going to go back on two topics I talked about earlier during the infancy of this site, first, CIVIL DISOBEDIANCE, the more we do not listen to our aggesors and we do things our way, THEY WILL GIVE IN and make SJU games more student fan friendly or more intimidating, SECOND, one of my favorite books is Upton Sinclair's THE JUNGLE, now this book talks about how Capitalism is failing in Chicago and how Socialism is needed to survive but I want to talk about the ending of the book. Right now, opposing team's fans take control of the Garden and we let them do it. WE ARE NEW YORKERS, we cant let other people walk over us. If we start caring as a fan base and the Adminstration starts caring by putting a winning team on the floor like it looks like this year, to take a quote from the end of book, THE JUNGLE,

THE GARDEN WILL BE OURS (again)

THE GARDEN WILL BE OURS

P.S. I know I am not authorized to speak but I do plan to use a daypass this year or if I get out in time, a trip to a St Johns game and I want it to be memorable instead of fans being told the Ms. Crabtree phrase from South Park by lazy alumni and St Johns losing big time

Syracuse utterly destroyed us. We didn't look likewe belonged in D1 ball during that game.

The problem is a lack of fan support.

You want to be NY's team? That's up to the almuni and the students.
Both of which should be ashamed of themselves.

 

Syracuse utterly destroyed us. We didn't look likewe belonged in D1 ball during that game.

The problem is a lack of fan support.

You want to be NY's team? That's up to the almuni and the students.
Both of which should be ashamed of themselves.

  You are correct. With a raucous fanbase we would have only lost by 15.  The lack of fan support is a result of the product on the floor,  not the other way around.

  I really hope ( and believe) that this year things will change.  NYC will come out to support and watch good ball,  they always have.  Here's to this year being the start of something.

Actually, Boo, what I am is dead on balls accurate.

With a fan base that would have been a home game,
But instead, we played a road game against Syracuse in our own house.

Rutgers loses, yet their fans have pride. Ours are not in their class.

The lack of support because the team is losing is exactly what I'm talking about. If alumni, students and basic new yorkers will only come to see a top 10 team play then they should be ashamed of themselves

Actually, Boo, what I am is dead on balls accurate.

With a fan base that would have been a home game,
But instead, we played a road game against Syracuse in our own house.

Rutgers loses, yet their fans have pride. Ours are not in their class.

The lack of support because the team is losing is exactly what I'm talking about. If alumni, students and basic new yorkers will only come to see a top 10 team play then they should be ashamed of themselves

  I actually agree with you for the most part. where i disagree is that lack of fan support is the reason we got shellacked vs. Cuse.

 I agree that SJU fanbase is apathetic,  there is no doubt.  However when we are good, there is no better place to play in the world.  As far as students and alumni go, i cannot speak to,  i am neither.  My opinion is that in NYC there many other things to go do and see than bad basketball on a random tuesday night.  As opposed to Rutgers, west virginia, kentucky, and other random places where there is literally nothing better to do!
   NYers won't be fooled into spending their hard earned money and time on garbage.

This post was not written to get the exterior market to come to games because they will not come unless we are good. I meant it for the interior market which is the ones who already attend games. I know their is no such thing as optimism in New York sports unless its the Yankees but we are the only fans left need to start showing support more. I am crossing the Rubicorn here (Roman term for becoming a traitor) but I am going to be optimistic this year. I am tired of the vicious cycle of watch SJU games, chant fire Norm, go to JohnnyJungle, and then demand a constutional amendment that Norm, Monasch, and Harrington be exiled away to an island free of a basketball. We all agree that this team deserves our support more than the 2003-04 team when that team besides Daryll Hill cared about nothing but themselves. This team is trying and Norm is trying to get us back to a time when we were the tops of the mountain. I have been pessimistic for too long and I am tired of it. Today is the Jewish New Year and even though I do not believe in organized religion (I am an existentialist when it comes to religion) I am making an early New Year's promise that I WILL NOT BE NEGATIVE THIS YEAR. We should go to the games and imitimate the opponet from the stands, not chant FIRE NORM because Norm can make his case for his dismissal all by himself and he does not need our help. And if we decide to give up on this team half way though, we shall make an honest effort to sell our tickets or give them to someone who is willing to show optimism. From reading this board, some of us already have given up on this season since of our coach. Before I go, I do have a complaint with the University and that is when I lived in Florida and I was working my summer job at Roger Dean Stadium in Jupiter helping running promotions and doing office work, I talk to both FSU and UF students and they told me that:

AT FLORIDA STATE: ALL0 sporting events, including Football and Mens Basketball were free to students

AT UNIVERSITY OF FLORIDA: STUDENT TICKETS ARE CHEAP FOR FOOTBALL SINCE OF STADIUM IMPROVEMENTS AND MENS BASKETBALL WAS FREE TO STUDENTS

I think SJU should make Student tickets free at both Carnesca and MSG because then it relieves one less burden for students to come to games not worrying about costs and I think $100 is ridiculous to pay for a college basketball season package. And for those in Student Government who read this site, SPONSER A BUS TO GAMES AT THE GARDEN BECAUSE IT TAKES FOREVER TO GO THE Q46 to KEW GARDENS to the E WHICH TAKES ANOTHER 30 MINUTES. YOU RUN BUS TRIPS TO STONY BROOK FOR VOLLEYBALL, START DOING IT FOR BASKETBALL, I think the overcharged tution should start being appiled to this unviersty students instead of giving payraises to Harrington when all he did was destroy the good name of the basketball program and failed to raise academic standards of a university begging for it once we went NATIONAL in 1998 when the dorms opened (I will say he did a good job building the dorms though). Sorry for my long post as usual but then again, I wrote a 21 page paper my senior year of high school on the Election of 1992 when the requirements was an 8 page paper.


PS I think I am like Chris "Mad Dog" Russo, long posts full of clueless passion simliar to his ONE TIME rant about the 2003 San Francisco Giants and the HAVE SOME GUTS rant about PacMan Jones

Boo, not saying it's why we lost, but it hurts the players, and the few fans who do come out to support them to plainly see the apathy.

I question the character of anyone who says "I used to go to go SJU basketball games." NYC should attract a tougher fan base.

Instead, we have front runners.

This season will be my third with season tickets.  Prior to that, I went to games sporadically.  I have loved SJU basketball since the mid-70's, became a student there in 1979 and graduated in 1983.  For a variety of reasons, over the years, I did not attend as many games as I should have.  I decided that I have to support the team at each and every home game, so I purchased the season tickets.  My kids and I go and cheer the team on and talk smack, no matter what the score is (except the Marquette disaster in the BE championship, where we HAD to shut up).   I felt that the only way the program will come back is with fan support, so I wanted to do my part.  Unfortunately, my most vocal and obnoxious daughter is away at law school this year, but the rest of us will be there to make some noise. 

Long time season ticket holders are now abandoning ship, saying that they feel it is a waste of their money.  Others say that they can find better things to do with their time.  Frankly, other than a Yankees game, there is absolutely nothing more entertaining for me.  I love my alma mater and my basketball team and I will root for them no matter what.


While I understand that losing has created an apathetic fan base, jumping ship will only make it more difficult for us to win and bring in better recruits.  If you've given up on the team completely (in which case you're probably not on a chat board reading this), that's one thing.  But if you are still a devoted fan who wants to see the team win again, then come out to as many games as you can---and stand up and make some noise.

It simple yo.

This here is NYC.
You want fans. You earn it.

It simple yo.

This here is NYC.
You want fans. You earn it.

  Amen!  This is not news here.  Hell, in the mid to late 80s, the Yanks weren't getting any fans.  You build a top notch program dedicated to winning and they will pack the house.  If you don't,  you share the house with an Iona/Marist  doubleheader.

When SJU starts paying DJ Kennedy 170 million dollars, then it will be fair to compare him to a spoiled prima donna. Until then, let's remember, he's a college kid.

You're a fan when they win and when they lose, or you're not a fan.

The lowly Jets sell out. Do they earn it?

It simple yo.

This here is NYC.
You want fans. You earn it.

If you're an alum and a basketball fan then you should root for your team and, if possible, attend some games.  If you are not an alum or if you are only a casual basketball fan, then it's fair game.  I could not imagine rooting for another team to beat St. John's and I can't imagine really caing mch about any other team no matter how good they are or how well they represent the Northeast.

When SJU starts paying DJ Kennedy 170 million dollars, then it will be fair to compare him to a spoiled prima donna. Until then, let's remember, he's a college kid.

You're a fan when they win and when they lose, or you're not a fan.

The lowly Jets sell out. Do they earn it?

  Don't really see where i compared Dj kennedy to Arod, but anyhow, i think you missed the point. Like it or not, the fans will flock to the Garden when we start winning again. It happens in almost every sport to every team.  Even the Yankees,  that was the point.

  When i was 22-30 years old living in NYc and hoboken i went to every home game. Now i live in N. jersey, have 3 kids under 5 years of age.  I'm not trekking into the city to see bad basketball, or to see Duke beat us by 30 .  I still root like crazy though.  It does not make me less of a fan.
  I gave up my season tickets prior to the 2007 season. The state of the program was probably  40% of the reason. Call me fair weather if you want, i really don't care.

hey Riverhead, NY??? what were you doing there?
Also i think the student have done alot for CA. because there is actually a student section. If we had a true section and the students were not put in 6 different section MSG would be alot different. The soccer stadium is selling out because the students are together and are having fun. I just dont get why the school gives the students a true section

Boo, if you have 3 kids under the age of 5, i'd be impressed if you got to watch a game. I'd be impressed if you found the time to read a box score.

You, are not the type of fan that I'm talking about.

 

all yall need to do is take a look back at the jets game yesterday. those are fans.

all yall need to do is take a look back at the jets game yesterday. those are fans.

Those are fans of a professional team.

college basketball is professional for all extents and purposes. 

it's the players and most of those who guide them who don't get paid.  everybody else is cashing in.

the idea is if you try to win, you'll get fans.  if you mail it in, you won't...because most fans aren't so easily fooled.

college basketball is professional for all extents and purposes. 

it's the players and most of those who guide them who don't get paid.  everybody else is cashing in.

the idea is if you try to win, you'll get fans.  if you mail it in, you won't...because most fans aren't so easily fooled.

When a pro team has an injury, they can replace that player.
Even the worst team has a chance to improve when something unfortunate like that happens.

When a team finished towards the bottom, they are given a chance to improve with a better draft pick.

Do these advantages make a huge difference? Not usually, but when SJU has something unfortunate happen, like an injury, they get nothing.

I'm not trying to say everyone should run out support a bad team, but comparing them to the pros simply isn't fair.

This is a pro town with arrogant spoiled asses for fans. Win, or I'm not going isn't the attitude they take elsewhere.