Program NegativeTurning Points

Quote from: we are sju on January 28, 2010, 11:36:43 AM

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Quote from: mjdinkins on January 27, 2010, 04:13:29 PM

I would say, you have a pretty decent list, paultzman.  Do you think St. John's really alienated Bob Hurley, Sr. with the Ingram situation?  I've heard stories that we did and others that we didn't.  I do not know enough about the Hurley's issues or non-issues with St. John's to say one way or the other.

If you read the book about Hurley and St. Anthony - Miracle at St. Anthony - he doesn't specifically say that St. John's alienated him but he does talk about the Ingram indicent and says something along the lines of -   If one of our kids comes back from a school and says the school didn't so the right thing by them, that school is dead to us and we will not send players there in the future - .  We haven't gotten a St. Anthony player since.

That was not an exact quote but I think this past recruiting season says alot to the point. St. Anthony has three players who play for Kimani at New Heights and St. Anthony - none of them signed with St. John's and we were recruiting all three at one point.

I'm a little confused.  What did we do thatg was "not right by Elijah?"  My recollection was he was one of the individuals who had sex with the hooker and did not pay her.  We are a Catholic institution.  This was obviously a major offense.  What else could we do?  am I missing something?

You beat me to the punch. Besides Hurley should spend less time complaining about SJU and more time trying to figure out how come his players flame out in the pros.
In addition to having an even worse looking jumper than Avery Patterson Ingram is number 3 on my worst point guards who played a lot list.
1. Geno
2. Gary Coleman
3. Ingram

Worry about flaming out in the pros..? Do you really think that is his concern..?

He helps kids, who might otherwise end up in bad sitautions on the streets, get a free college education.

As for the Ingram situation, I guess he is just being loyal to his kids. It wasn't like the other guy that came through St. John's from St. Anthony, McLeod, had a great experience either.

Also, if you were high level coach like Hurley, would you trust Norm Roberts to develop a player you send to him.

Mcleod was misused. Ingram's situation was really a no brainer. Outside of Calipari and maybe Calhoun, every other coach in America would have dismissed him from the team.

Always felt EI and his cell phone should have been giving a pass for changing the headline from "Black inner city thugs from NYC gang rape white woman in Pittsburgh hotel room" to "student athletes show indescretion in bringing tramp home from strip club for sex than renege on promise to pay her".

Do not underestimate the difference in these stories at what it's meant to SJU athletics.

We wouldn't have had the money, influence nor the juice to get the kid's off as they did with the Puke lax team. 

Elijah is a hero in my book for his quick thinking and acting that night and should have been given a break.

Plus he played well at New Mex St. and I think he even danced.

Ah. haven't been around enough hookers.

Come by the house I'll introduce you to mom.

But the players weren't charged with any criminal offense, as I remember it.  She was.

I don't think they were charged, but that doesn't mean they didn't commit a crime - every time I light a joint it's a crime but I'm still a free man. I'm guessing they charged her because extortion and false filing is more serious than soliciting, and it'd have been difficult to prove the former w/o the rapscallions' testimony.

If they just bring a woman to the hotel for sex, it's unsavory; if they didn't intend to pay her, is it still prostitution?

If I tell you I'll give you $20 to cut my lawn and you cut the lawn and I don't pay you $20 did I hire you to cut the lawn? I think so. It's like mater says: always get the money up front.

Elijah is a hero in my book

What's your book, The Satanic Bible?


 

We wouldn't have had the money, influence nor the juice to get the kid's off as they did with the Puke lax team. 

Oh yeah. it wasn't the lack of evidence, the fact the alleged victim lied or the fact that those kids didn't do it that got them off.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 28, 2010, 01:51:57 PM

We wouldn't have had the money, influence nor the juice to get the kid's off as they did with the Puke lax team. 

Oh yeah. it wasn't the lack of evidence, the fact the alleged victim lied or the fact that those kids didn't do it that got them off.

If not for Ingram's cell phone there is no telling how that would have played out. Ultimately the truth would have gotten out, but it would have taken longer and cause even greater damage.

Quote from: carmineabbatiello on January 28, 2010, 01:51:57 PM

Elijah is a hero in my book

What's your book, The Satanic Bible?

No, The Satanic Verses.