Ben Howland on the move?

Quote from: Foad on March 24, 2010, 05:17:42 PM

Quote from: Choz4Life on March 24, 2010, 05:11:55 PM

Quote from: RedDot on March 24, 2010, 05:06:11 PM

Just guessing, but I think Howland has put more players in the NBA in the past 10 years than anybody, if not then he has to be close.

If so then Hew aint far behind yo.

Division I Schools Ranked by Number of Players in NBA

                       No. Players
School                    In NBA

Duke                        14
UCLA                        14
Connecticut                 13
North Carolina              13
Arizona                     10
Florida                      9
Kansas                       9
Kentucky                     9
Georgia Tech                 7
Ohio St.                     7

And Hewitt will get 2 more after this season...

Might even two lotter picks.

so how doesnt this guy win more...is he http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMpsttlXye8&feature=relateded?...so basically hewitt can recruit but his intelligence level is at the level of, or below, norms?...hows he gonna do in the big east? a better conference with more teams

so how doesnt this guy win more...is he http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMpsttlXye8&feature=relateded?...so basically hewitt can recruit but his intelligence level is at the level of, or below, norms?...hows he gonna do in the big east? a better conference with more teams

Im not comparing them as coaches, but Hewitt seems to have a similar problem that Calipari has to a certain degree.  Starting over every season is a difficult thing to do, you basically have a new team every season.  Makes me wonder how Calipari would do in the ACC or even the Big East.  I doubt he would be getting 30 wins or going 15-1 in conference play here.  Even thought the SEC is much better than C-USA, its still not us.

Quote from: SJD on March 24, 2010, 10:16:53 PM

so how doesn't this guy win more...is he http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMpsttlXye8&feature=relateded?...so basically Hewitt can recruit but his intelligence level is at the level of, or below, norms?...hows he gonna do in the big east? a better conference with more teams

I'm not comparing them as coaches, but Hewitt seems to have a similar problem that Calipari has to a certain degree.  Starting over every season is a difficult thing to do, you basically have a new team every season.  Makes me wonder how Calipari would do in the ACC or even the Big East.  I doubt he would be getting 30 wins or going 15-1 in conference play here.  Even thought the SEC is much better than C-USA, its still not us.

I agree with RedDot to an extent.  Hewitt has 2 problems in my mind compared to Calipari besides x's and o's.  Cal keeps getting guys who have the ball in their hands.  Hewitt can't seem to get any good guards since Jack.  If Favors was on a team with even respectable guards he'd be getting talked about with Wall and Turner as the #1 pick.  The 2nd thing is that Cal basically knows these guys are going to be there 1 year and basically makes them understand that if they want to be high drafted picks they better buy into the team concept and help his team win or you're done.  He has mastered motivating these selfish superstars and made them realize that winning is goal #1 and almost no other coach has been able to do that, in particular Hewitt.  He gets studs but they look like they could care less about winning and just want to put up as many shots as possible.  Every time I watched GT this year I felt like Lawal was trying to make it known he was a stud and was better then Favors instead of doing the needed things to win.  With time these problems can easily be fixed.

Quote from: RedDot on March 24, 2010, 10:21:35 PM

Quote from: SJD on March 24, 2010, 10:16:53 PM

so how doesn't this guy win more...is he http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMpsttlXye8&feature=relateded?...so basically Hewitt can recruit but his intelligence level is at the level of, or below, norms?...hows he gonna do in the big east? a better conference with more teams

I'm not comparing them as coaches, but Hewitt seems to have a similar problem that Calipari has to a certain degree.  Starting over every season is a difficult thing to do, you basically have a new team every season.  Makes me wonder how Calipari would do in the ACC or even the Big East.  I doubt he would be getting 30 wins or going 15-1 in conference play here.  Even thought the SEC is much better than C-USA, its still not us.

I agree with RedDot to an extent.  Hewitt has 2 problems in my mind compared to Calipari besides x's and o's.  Cal keeps getting guys who have the ball in their hands.  Hewitt can't seem to get any good guards since Jack.  If Favors was on a team with even respectable guards he'd be getting talked about with Wall and Turner as the #1 pick.  The 2nd thing is that Cal basically knows these guys are going to be there 1 year and basically makes them understand that if they want to be high drafted picks they better buy into the team concept and help his team win or you're done.  He has mastered motivating these selfish superstars and made them realize that winning is goal #1 and almost no other coach has been able to do that, in particular Hewitt.  He gets studs but they look like they could care less about winning and just want to put up as many shots as possible.  Every time I watched GT this year I felt like Lawal was trying to make it known he was a stud and was better then Favors instead of doing the needed things to win.  With time these problems can easily be fixed.

All good points.  My only hope is that Hewitt can get his hands on atleast 2 guards and have 2 premier guards consistently.  I think he has a great shot at it.  Jay Wright seems to be able to get 3 or 4.

so how doesnt this guy win more...is he http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMpsttlXye8&feature=relateded?...so basically hewitt can recruit but his intelligence level is at the level of, or below, norms?...hows he gonna do in the big east? a better conference with more teams

Yo. Ease up on the intelligence talk.  The damn guy's not even hired. 

It's so dangerous with all these guards though.  You can get stud guards but then you're liable to see them chucking like crazy and just thinking about the league (ala omar cook).  Look at Capel right now, he has Willie Warren and Taylor Mason Griffin going to the league and now has to start over.  I almost think you're better with a Levance Fields type who might not be amazing but you know what you're going to get those 4 years.  You also don't know what guy will get you into trouble with the NCAA.     

so how doesnt this guy win more...is he http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMpsttlXye8&feature=relateded?...so basically hewitt can recruit but his intelligence level is at the level of, or below, norms?...hows he gonna do in the big east? a better conference with more teams

youre starting to sound like Baldi

Quote from: SJD on March 24, 2010, 10:16:53 PM

so how doesnt this guy win more...is he http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMpsttlXye8&feature=relateded?...so basically hewitt can recruit but his intelligence level is at the level of, or below, norms?...hows he gonna do in the big east? a better conference with more teams

youre starting to sound like Baldi

well after 6 years of being a joke i, like many others, got hyped up for change...and that ANY change is good change...and hearing hewitts name pumped me up...but then u start digging, and well, u dont have to dig too deep to start seeing that the guy isnt a safe hire...nowhere near it...hes an inconsistent coach, and well, his own team is sick of him...i mean, the guy took the program to 5 ncaas and a champ final after they were pretty much nothing and now, they all want him gone, they cant stand him...do we really want this guy?...if hes the best we can do, ok, fine...and if hes hired ill still support him, and buy season tickets...but, jesus, if we really can spend with the big boys then i want a big boy coach...i dont want to only go after these guys with ny ties bc the admin feels they are the only ones who can succeed at this job

Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 25, 2010, 12:05:17 AM

Quote from: SJD on March 24, 2010, 10:16:53 PM

so how doesnt this guy win more...is he http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMpsttlXye8&feature=relateded?...so basically hewitt can recruit but his intelligence level is at the level of, or below, norms?...hows he gonna do in the big east? a better conference with more teams

youre starting to sound like Baldi

well after 6 years of being a joke i, like many others, got hyped up for change...and that ANY change is good change...and hearing hewitts name pumped me up...but then u start digging, and well, u dont have to dig too deep to start seeing that the guy isnt a safe hire...nowhere near it...hes an inconsistent coach, and well, his own team is sick of him...i mean, the guy took the program to 5 ncaas and a champ final after they were pretty much nothing and now, they all want him gone, they cant stand him...do we really want this guy?...if hes the best we can do, ok, fine...and if hes hired ill still support him, and buy season tickets...but, jesus, if we really can spend with the big boys then i want a big boy coach...i dont want to only go after these guys with ny ties bc the admin feels they are the only ones who can succeed at this job

Cant argue with you there my friend. This is exactly the reason when  asked what coach I want by tha kid I threw out the best names whether available or not. Everyone has a price.

Maybe Monasch should have sent his so called 3rd party and boosters out to gauge interest in the job on the downlow before firing Norm. Now it looks like we're phucked

well is it really necessary for the process of gauging interest to take weeks?...can monasch just have all his boosters make calls all day seeing whos interested or not interested, then go from there?  i really think theyre gonna just go straight from trying to get a homerun coach like donovan to signing hewitt, and i think if it wasnt for hewitts contract this deal might have already been done

http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/8659/theus-a-candidate-at-auburn-ucf

That's what you're referring to?

I have no freaking idea.  UCLA is golden, Westwood is a pretty nice area and while the fans expect a lot, he's given them a lot (was it 3 Final Fours in a row), so if anyone's complaining, he knows that logical fans have to have his back.  Now if St. John's has an extra few milli lying around, and can offer him 3 mill plus (I think he's making 2 mill per year)...

Ok, I just over-fantasized.  But if he's willing to leave, we can hold off interviews and send a person to LA to chat Mr. Howland up.  We will (probably) never complain about 3 Final Fours in a row.

Peter......Howland is kinda under the gun out here.......the wheels have come off at UCLA....lot of people not feeling Howland "THESE DAYS".

It's so dangerous with all these guards though.  You can get stud guards but then you're liable to see them chucking like crazy and just thinking about the league (ala omar cook).  Look at Capel right now, he has Willie Warren and Taylor Mason Griffin going to the league and now has to start over.  I almost think you're better with a Levance Fields type who might not be amazing but you know what you're going to get those 4 years.  You also don't know what guy will get you into trouble with the NCAA.     

When Hew had Jarret Jack and Will Bynum at the point, he look like a genius.

Dont ever underestimate the power of a tru PG, let along two supreme PGs.

Quote from: scoobydoo on March 24, 2010, 11:09:28 PM

It's so dangerous with all these guards though.  You can get stud guards but then you're liable to see them chucking like crazy and just thinking about the league (ala omar cook).  Look at Capel right now, he has Willie Warren and Taylor Mason Griffin going to the league and now has to start over.  I almost think you're better with a Levance Fields type who might not be amazing but you know what you're going to get those 4 years.  You also don't know what guy will get you into trouble with the NCAA.     

When Hew had Jarret Jack and Will Bynum at the point, he look like a genius.

Dont ever underestimate the power of a tru PG, let along two supreme PGs.

Exactly...recruiting is the key and I think he will be able to bring in the studs.

The thing I like about Hewitt is, of course, his NY ties.  I think his ceiling is WAY higher at St. John's than at Georgia Tech.   Im not crazy enough to say Hewitt is the better coach, but considering all of the circumstances, could Hewitt be a better hire than Howland for St. John's at this point?

No, Howland is, without question, a better coach.
Secondarily, the long held myth about Hewitt are his "NY ties." He has recruited the NYC metro area every year since arriving in Atlanta, yet the reality is that he has never had one player from either NYC or northern NJ play for him at GT. Like Norm Roberts, he has made plenty of final lists, however.

The complaints about UCLA tend to be that they don't pay their coaches well, the facilities were subpar (which Guerrero is working to improve), the unrealistic expectations, and the fickle fanbase.

True, but I imagine it'll be easier to land a nyc kid from st johns than georgia tech.

Quote from: SJD on March 25, 2010, 12:17:24 AM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on March 25, 2010, 12:05:17 AM

Quote from: SJD on March 24, 2010, 10:16:53 PM

so how doesnt this guy win more...is he http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMpsttlXye8&feature=relateded?...so basically hewitt can recruit but his intelligence level is at the level of, or below, norms?...hows he gonna do in the big east? a better conference with more teams

youre starting to sound like Baldi

well after 6 years of being a joke i, like many others, got hyped up for change...and that ANY change is good change...and hearing hewitts name pumped me up...but then u start digging, and well, u dont have to dig too deep to start seeing that the guy isnt a safe hire...nowhere near it...hes an inconsistent coach, and well, his own team is sick of him...i mean, the guy took the program to 5 ncaas and a champ final after they were pretty much nothing and now, they all want him gone, they cant stand him...do we really want this guy?...if hes the best we can do, ok, fine...and if hes hired ill still support him, and buy season tickets...but, jesus, if we really can spend with the big boys then i want a big boy coach...i dont want to only go after these guys with ny ties bc the admin feels they are the only ones who can succeed at this job

Cant argue with you there my friend. This is exactly the reason when  asked what coach I want by tha kid I threw out the best names whether available or not. Everyone has a price.

Maybe Monasch should have sent his so called 3rd party and boosters out to gauge interest in the job on the downlow before firing Norm. Now it looks like we're phucked

  What makes you think Monasch didn't do this? Fact is, we have no idea what Monasch has been doing the last couple of months. Why are we Phucked?  We are gonna end up with a much better coach/recruiter than we've had in years.  No matter who they bring in.  Stop being so dramatic.

Quote from: scoobydoo on March 24, 2010, 11:09:28 PM

It's so dangerous with all these guards though.  You can get stud guards but then you're liable to see them chucking like crazy and just thinking about the league (ala omar cook).  Look at Capel right now, he has Willie Warren and Taylor Mason Griffin going to the league and now has to start over.  I almost think you're better with a Levance Fields type who might not be amazing but you know what you're going to get those 4 years.  You also don't know what guy will get you into trouble with the NCAA.     

When Hew had Jarret Jack and Will Bynum at the point, he look like a genius.

Dont ever underestimate the power of a tru PG, let along two supreme PGs.

Good to see you writing around here Choz.  The prospect of Hewitt having 8 or so scholarships to hand out this year is thrilling.  Although not likely by any means, Hewitt is a kind of guy who could come in, give Doron Lamb a call and actually get him.  Hewitt will open doors that we haven't been used to since we recruited Artest, Barkely, Bootsy, etc. 

  The prospect of Hewitt having 8 or so scholarships to hand out this year is thrilling.  Although not likely by any means, Hewitt is a kind of guy who could come in, give Doron Lamb a call and actually get him.  Hewitt will open doors that we haven't been used to since we recruited Artest, Barkely, Bootsy, etc.

He'll definitely open more doors than Roberts and give the program a recruiter they haven't had since Fraschilla.

Do you really think Lamb has been waiting around for just a call?

Quote from: RedDot on March 25, 2010, 11:00:48 AM

  The prospect of Hewitt having 8 or so scholarships to hand out this year is thrilling.  Although not likely by any means, Hewitt is a kind of guy who could come in, give Doron Lamb a call and actually get him.  Hewitt will open doors that we haven't been used to since we recruited Artest, Barkely, Bootsy, etc.

He'll definitely open more doors than Roberts and give the program a recruiter they haven't had since Fraschilla.

Do you really think Lamb has been waiting around for just a call?

No, not at all.  Just making a point that Hewitt can actually land guys of his caliber.