Final 2011 Scholarship ?

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2010, 12:08:25 PM »

Quote from: mjdinkins on December 02, 2010, 08:23:25 PM

I think Lindsey is more than handling the point guard position, so far, on the JUCO level. I'd rather focus on the 4 and 5 spots in the spring and only take a guard, if it's someone like Greene.

If I take a guard, I would wait for a year and try to get Omar Calhoun.

Considering that Lavin is our coach, I change the sentence: If I take a guard, I would wait for a year and get Omar Calhoun.

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Tha Kid

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #21 on: December 03, 2010, 01:20:28 PM »

Quote from: Dr. Fun a/ka/ Fun a/k/a Foad

So to recap: Anthony Mason, despite being VERY confident in his abilities in capital letters and with a belief that he can make a career out of basketball, should logically put his NBA dreams aside and go to Europe, because he has no shot and is not getting any younger. Whereas, QR, also VERY confident etc, and despite being an even less successful college player at SJ that AMJ, should logically pursue his basketball career dreams where ever they might take him, up to and including Buffalo. And if that means he's 25 or so when he graduates, so be it.

I find these conclusions a little inconsistent. Completely inconsistent actually. I think the reason that you come to completely different conclusions is that your viewpoint is myopic and egocencentric. Myopic because they just take into account one factor - basketball - and egocentric because they ignore the real life consequences to the people who would actually suffer them and instead seemingly focus on what thakid, basketball fan, might do in similar circumstances.

Where did I say QR should pursue them wherever he may take them? Where did I say he SHOULD transfer? I'm saying I bet he will if he is like most very confident D-1 basketball players. I also bet he hopes to earn money for a living playing basketball, and I also wager, unlike Mase, he does not think he is going to make the NBA, whereas a high end Euro league is his ceiling and dream at this point, so starting somewhere in Europe makes sense.

Mason can do whatever he wants. I make arguments for the sake of them sometimes when I find people are being ridiculous. People suggesting Mason has a long career int he NBA ahead of him...or that he is very close to making the league...don't make sense to me. Mase could get a cup of coffee, and if that's impt. to him, then by all means he should try. But if he decides to make a LIVING out of playing basketball, he will eventually be in Europe.

Want a little gentlemanly wager on QR transferring next year, Foad? Loser gets to pick the other's signature for the entire summer?

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #22 on: December 03, 2010, 02:11:34 PM »

If we have 2 ships left I say we go Pure PG & C with girth & post moves this is the Big East!

Harrison & Lindsey are having multiple 40 point games this season so I am worried about forcing them to do something that doesn't come natural. I don't see them as a Pure PG,& judging by their scoring averages neither do they.
I heard Dom can also play PG, But I don't want someone to play significant PG minutes "who can play also play PG",spot minutes is cool. But i don't like PG by committee I want a PG who is a Natural Born PG.

So I was thinking about a tough New York City sleeper who has big game experience at both MSG & Carnesecca 5-7 PG Antonie Slaughter from Boys n Girls High.I think he is a combination between Boothe and Walker.Not quite the tenacious defender Boothe is ,& not quite the shooter Walker is but gives a touch of both.But one thing is for sure he is a leader.Which can be Key with all the talent SJU has coming in he might be the right piece to the puzzle.He already has experience leading a team with 3-5 D1 players.At worst he will be a great back up PG for Jevon & adds a player who can stretch the D late in the game. Slaughter is Averaged 15 PPG & 9 APG for the PSAL champions last year. And after only two games this year he is averaging 10 & 10. East Coast Tyus Edney : )

As far as Center goes it does not look like any of our recruits coming in have a post game to speak of. Which can be an issue,just look at our team now. I never seen Chandler play in person but he looks like he has some post moves & fight for post position downlow which can be great for spacing & a diverse attack

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2010, 02:13:04 PM »

Quote from: Tha Kid on December 03, 2010, 01:20:28 PM

Where did I say QR should pursue them wherever he may take them?

You said that like most college players QR dreams of a pro career and like them he believes that if he can just find the right situation - "if they just...get more minutes...get someone to watch them...have a coach who puts them in the right spot to succeed" - his dream will come true. True, you did not say that he should follow his dreams to the end of the earth. Just Buffalo, which is sort of the end of the earth.

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Where did I say he SHOULD transfer?

You said he that it was logical that he move to a midmajor where he might get more playing time. So to act rationally, he should transfer.

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I'm saying I bet he will if he is like most very confident D-1 basketball players.

If he were confident he'd stay and try and get playing time, no? As Stith did. Running away to where there's less competition doesn't seem a particular sign of confidence to me.

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I also bet he hopes to earn money for a living playing basketball, and I also wager, unlike Mase, he does not think he is going to make the NBA, whereas a high end Euro league is his ceiling and dream at this point, so starting somewhere in Europe makes sense.

Starting in Europe does make sense. I suspect he could get an overseas contract right now. (Which of course you will poo poo. My theory is that if Reggie Jesse can play overseas and well, nearly anyone can.) Which is why transferring and sitting out yet another year is illogical.

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Mason can do whatever he wants. I make arguments for the sake of them sometimes when I find people are being ridiculous. People suggesting Mason has a long career int he NBA ahead of him...or that he is very close to making the league...don't make sense to me. Mase could get a cup of coffee, and if that's impt. to him, then by all means he should try. But if he decides to make a LIVING out of playing basketball, he will eventually be in Europe.

I agree that it's likely that Mason plays overseas. However, he is close to making the NBA. He was invited to camp, was a late cut, and is playing well in the D league. That's about as close as you can get to the NBA without actually being in the NBA. At the risk of opening up this can of worms again, JJ is averaging 7 points a game, shooting 27 from 3, and earning 8 million a year. That is not a particularly high bar to leap over and the financial rewards are enormous.

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Want a little gentlemanly wager on QR transferring next year, Foad? Loser gets to pick the other's signature for the entire summer?

No. If you'd like to design a sig file for me I'll display it as a sign of respect and affection. Because that's the way good sports like me roll.

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mjdinkins

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2010, 02:39:10 PM »

Quote from: KAHNIGHT on December 03, 2010, 02:11:34 PM

If we have 2 ships left I say we go Pure PG & C with girth & post moves this is the Big East!

Harrison & Lindsey are having multiple 40 point games this season so I am worried about forcing them to do something that doesn't come natural. I don't see them as a Pure PG,& judging by their scoring averages neither do they.
I heard Dom can also play PG, But I don't want someone to play significant PG minutes "who can play also play PG",spot minutes is cool. But i don't like PG by committee I want a PG who is a Natural Born PG.

So I was thinking about a tough New York City sleeper who has big game experience at both MSG & Carnesecca 5-7 PG Antonie Slaughter from Boys n Girls High.I think he is a combination between Boothe and Walker.Not quite the tenacious defender Boothe is ,& not quite the shooter Walker is but gives a touch of both.But one thing is for sure he is a leader.Which can be Key with all the talent SJU has coming in he might be the right piece to the puzzle.He already has experience leading a team with 3-5 D1 players.At worst he will be a great back up PG for Jevon & adds a player who can stretch the D late in the game. Slaughter is Averaged 15 PPG & 9 APG for the PSAL champions last year. And after only two games this year he is averaging 10 & 10. East Coast Tyus Edney : )

As far as Center goes it does not look like any of our recruits coming in have a post game to speak of. Which can be an issue,just look at our team now. I never seen Chandler play in person but he looks like he has some post moves & fight for post position downlow which can be great for spacing & a diverse attack

It seems to me you are comparing Lindsey's and Harrison's point guard skills to Pointer's (I heard Dom can also play PG, But I don't want someone to play significant PG minutes "who can play also play PG",spot minutes is cool. But i don't like PG by committee I want a PG who is a Natural Born PG.), considering your quote. So, you're basically stating Lindsey and Harrison "would just be playing PG," right? Not necessarily point guards, correct?

I know folk are prone to mistakes, but I'd trust the staff on this one. How do you know Lindsey and Harrison would play PG by committee? Granted, I've heard Harrison really isn't a point guard.... I haven't heard the same about Lindsey. You obviously haven't seen the assist numbers Lindsey has been posting. Lindsey is probably averaging close to 7 assists per game.

Lindsey sounds like one of those guys who can get himself and his teammates involved. I haven't seen the Slaughter kid play, but why bring him in when we'll have Lindsey, Harrison, and Stith (then Thomas the following year)? Maybe, he is one of those big time sleepers. But, there is a chance he may have problems getting on the floor in that scenario. Unless, you suggest he beats out Stith or Thomas the following year.

I guess to each, his or her own. I'll take my chances going into next season with Lindsey, Harrison and Stith. We may be able to garner a commitment from (combo guard) Phil Greene in the spring. Who has also been putting up good numbers at IMG, this season.

I'm interested to see who we're going to be involved with in the next few months.

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #25 on: December 04, 2010, 03:45:49 AM »

Let me preface this by saying, i dont think any fan who reads or posts on these boards has any idea what Quincy Roberts has done in his first 2 and half years at St. Johns or what is in his head. He may not care about bball b/c he knows the situation regarding a future bball career. He may have a GF he is in love with and doesnt want to leave. He may love the education he is getting at St. Johns. Maybe he doesnt want to spend more than 4-5 years in school because he has a job lined up somewhere else. Or he may think he is amazing at hoops and deserves a shot somewhere else that will give him an opportunity to play bball for money and be successful. Or maybe he just wants to play somewhere and make a significant contribution. To be honest, no one knows what he has in his head, so it's difficult to have an argument either way, w/ certainty, abt what he wants to do.

THe only thing we know as fans is that on the bball court Q isnt playing alot of minutes. And next year there is a possibility that his role will be similar. Some players in similar situations have decided to leave. Other have decided to stick it out. No one knows what Q wants to do but to have an opinion that he may leave (from a pure bball pov) is not ridiculous imho.

Besides that a few thoughts randomly regarding Q......

Phil Missere (sp) got a job overseas playing basketball. Ryan Williams went on the And 1 tour a few years back under his name special FX. It's not insane or ridiculous to think Q can make some money playing hoops for a few years somewhere. Will it happen, prob not, but who knows.

Variables b/t Stith sticking it out and improving b/c Boothe was already here is a lot different than Q staying because of the possibility that he is worried he wont get minutes with Pointer, Harkless, Harrison, Lindsey, Garrett, Sampson, or even Polee taking some minutes .

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #26 on: December 04, 2010, 09:34:14 AM »

Quote from: Tha Kid on December 03, 2010, 09:01:01 AM

Woulda made no sense to leave this year. He just took a full year off and likely did not want to take 2, and a new coach is a fresh start. Unfortunately quincy does not seem to have impressed the staff like stith has.

He's gone next year.

I couldn't disagree more with your logic. If he was going to transfer he would've done it this year. If he had transferred this year he would of had 2 years to play somewhere else.

He still has to sit a year if he transfers so if he transfers next year he would have only 1 year left to play (5 to play 4 unless he appeals to the NCAA). That is essentially 3 years of not playing...red shirt...this year (lost year according to you) and a transfer year...all to play 1 year. That alone makes me believe that it is more likely that he stays. Add to the fact that he is a pretty decent player at least on the same level of some of our seniors....Lavin has shown that he lets everyone compete for jobs...and its certainly not ridiculous to think he stays. I think at worst he is 6th or 7th man next year. Not all of the recruits will live up to their billing...at least not in their freshman year.

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #27 on: December 05, 2010, 12:15:04 PM »

Quincy has 3 years left including this one. He has 2 years more if he transfers after this.

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #28 on: December 05, 2010, 12:27:34 PM »

Quote from: Tha Kid on December 05, 2010, 12:15:04 PM

Quincy has 3 years left including this one. He has 2 years more if he transfers after this.

He already redshirted, whats the rule?

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #29 on: December 05, 2010, 12:58:37 PM »

Transfer is not a redshirt.

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #30 on: December 05, 2010, 01:02:59 PM »

Quote from: Tha Kid on December 05, 2010, 12:15:04 PM

Quincy has 3 years left including this one. He has 2 years more if he transfers after this.

He would need a waiver from the NCAA. You only have 5 years to complete 4 seasons and he has used his redshirt year already. I don't think the NCAA grants the extra year very often.

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #31 on: December 05, 2010, 02:41:03 PM »

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on December 05, 2010, 01:02:59 PM

Quote from: Tha Kid on December 05, 2010, 12:15:04 PM
Quincy has 3 years left including this one. He has 2 years more if he transfers after this.

He would need a waiver from the NCAA. You only have 5 years to complete 4 seasons and he has used his redshirt year already. I don't think the NCAA grants the extra year very often.

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #32 on: December 05, 2010, 02:41:41 PM »

They would grant it.

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #33 on: December 05, 2010, 05:20:44 PM »

Quote from: Tha Kid on December 05, 2010, 02:41:41 PM

They would grant it.

I haven't seen it done very often. Maybe since they're so sensitive to concussions recently but its certainly no sure thing.

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2010, 02:49:00 PM »

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on December 02, 2010, 08:46:47 PM

We've only got 1 left...unless Jevon gets moved back a year. I don't see any transfers. We need another big...no question. It sounds like we are waiting on God's Gift.

I think Quincy is being treated as a junior and not a redshirt soph. I fully expect him to transfer at the end of this season. If he stays, I cannot imagine he will receive the fifth year from a staff that didn't even recruit him. You can't ask anymore as an athlete than to have your scholarship renewed for four years and earning a degree.

I really thought Quincy would get more time, but he didn't beat out Omari last year and he is outside the 8-9 man rotation this year. There is probably no way he can compete with all the top 50 wings coming in.

Lavin has maintained consistently that he is bringing in ten new players next year. He said so many times...even after we got the verbal from Jevon Thomas. Do the math.

I'd like to see us at Phil Greene and Chandler.

I don't mind Miekle, because you have to give the staff the benefit of the doubt. We've signed six top 50 caliber players and the possible JUCO player of the year. Why would our 8th signee be any different? Lavin is the same guy that didn't think Ron Roberts and Davontay Grace were good enough to play here, so I doubt he turns around and takes a flyer on a kid he doesn't fully expect to be very good.

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2010, 02:55:09 PM »

If Quincy graduates in four years he will get the fifth year. I think the smartest thing of Quincy would be to transfer at the end of this semester. That would give him a year and a half at his next school with a 1/2 year of practice. It will also make it easier for him to graduate in four years.

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #36 on: December 26, 2010, 03:33:08 PM »

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on December 03, 2010, 07:31:02 AM

Quote from: Tha Kid on December 03, 2010, 06:52:44 AM
Jumpin -
How do you not see any transfers? If quincy gets as little pt as it seems he will get this year, why wouldn't he leave to a a10 or midmajor and at least get 2 years of burn?

If you're thinking logically about it, you gotta acknowledge its a strong possibility.
I think he would've left last year. Maybe he thinks as a 4th year junior he will be able to compete with the freshman or maybe he just wants to stay for the turnaround. Its certainly a possibility that he does transfer I just don't think its a strong possibility.

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #37 on: December 26, 2010, 07:57:11 PM »

Quote from: Tha Kid on December 26, 2010, 03:33:08 PM

Quote from: jumpinjohnny on December 03, 2010, 07:31:02 AM
Quote from: Tha Kid on December 03, 2010, 06:52:44 AM
Jumpin -
How do you not see any transfers? If quincy gets as little pt as it seems he will get this year, why wouldn't he leave to a a10 or midmajor and at least get 2 years of burn?

If you're thinking logically about it, you gotta acknowledge its a strong possibility.
I think he would've left last year. Maybe he thinks as a 4th year junior he will be able to compete with the freshman or maybe he just wants to stay for the turnaround. Its certainly a possibility that he does transfer I just don't think its a strong possibility.

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Good job kid. Quincy should look at Fordham

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Re: Final 2011 Scholarship ?

« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2010, 11:40:18 PM »

Quote from: Foad on December 03, 2010, 10:08:42 AM

Quote from: Moose on December 02, 2010, 08:48:51 PM
I think another opens up.

Do you think another opens up because you're surmising or do you think another opens up because you're a well connected alumni?

Hmmmm

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