APR data for SJU

Men's Basketball St. John's University (New York) NY 2004 - 2005 884   
Men's Basketball St. John's University (New York) NY 2005 - 2006 909   
Men's Basketball St. John's University (New York) NY 2006 - 2007 918   
Men's Basketball St. John's University (New York) NY 2007 - 2008 959   
Men's Basketball St. John's University (New York) NY 2008 - 2009 961   
Men's Basketball St. John's University (New York) NY 2009 - 2010 968

Norm did us proud here.  Last 3 years 959, 961 and 968.

http://web1.ncaa.org/maps/aprRelease.jsp

The baseball, fencing, and golf teams apparently all received 1000s for the 2009-2010 year.  How is this measured exactly?  I'm guessing 1000 is a perfect score?  Looking at the averages across all schools, St. John's is better than average.

The baseball, fencing, and golf teams apparently all received 1000s for the 2009-2010 year.  How is this measured exactly?  I'm guessing 1000 is a perfect score?  Looking at the averages across all schools, St. John's is better than average.

Assuming you are a 2 semester school it basically works this way.  Say you have 10 players for 09-10.  You get 1 point for retention and 1 point for remaining in good academic standing for each player per semester.  So a perfect score per player would be 4 points.  Thus a perfect score for that year would be 40 points.

Let's say a kid transfers but stays through both semesters and leaves in good academic standing (say Dwayn Polee).  OK you get the 2 full points for the 1st semester and 1 of the 2 in the second semester (you lose the retention point).  Thus you get 3 out of 4 for that player.

Where a school like Syracuse or Ohio St gets hurt is when a kid declares for the Draft (like Jonny Flynn) and then withdraws from school.  Why would he have any motivation to stick around, right?  He is going to the NBA.  So you lose not only the retention point but the good standing point because he doesn't even finish that year and take his finals.  So you get only 2 out of 4 and when you have too many of those you can hurt your score.

It's very misleading if a school is penalized when a kid goes into the NBA to make several million dollars.

However, players like Paul Harris and Eric Devondorf are just the kind of thugs that should be harming Syracuse's reputation.

It's very misleading if a school is penalized when a kid goes into the NBA to make several million dollars.

However, players like Paul Harris and Eric Devondorf are just the kind of thugs that should be harming Syracuse's reputation.

It is a risk to recruit those 1 and done kids.  But kids remain even after they are drafted as well.  I believe DeMarcus Cousins withdrew from school, but Wall, Bledsoe, Orton and Patterson all finished out the semester.  I think Derek Rose did as well at Memphis.  So there are kids that remain even after they declare.  Possible reasons are they get use of the facilities at the school to workout and perhaps they plan on getting their degree later so finishing up the semester and getting those credits helps in that manner as well.

In other words every kid is different which is a surprise to no one, I hope.  As a coach you have to hope that you're recruiting kids of high character as well as highly skilled.  It pays dividends on the court as well and now it pays dividends with the APR.

Isn't Lapchick's son heavily involved with this process for the NCAA.  Hopefully he is proud of his dad's school.

Isn't Lapchick's son heavily involved with this process for the NCAA.  Hopefully he is proud of his dad's school.

Works at Central Florida but is heavily involved and pioneer when it comes to the business side of sports.

Quote from: gman on May 27, 2011, 12:10:18 PM

Isn't Lapchick's son heavily involved with this process for the NCAA.  Hopefully he is proud of his dad's school.

Works at Central Florida but is heavily involved and pioneer when it comes to the business side of sports.

And he is into ethics and diversity in sports, and a human rights activist. I remember when the University was going through a hiring search (when Norm was hired), Richard Lapchick was pushing SJU hire Kareem.  They must still be close.