For those of you who keep talking about Stith transferring...read this

Quote from: ras on July 17, 2011, 02:21:05 PM

He also is the only true PG on the team.

Ultimately doesn't mean anything if the team is more successful with Lindsey or Greene running the show.

But I do find it hard to believe that someone who was the starting point guard for both a state championship team in North Carolina and a prep championship team in his postgrad year is incapable of showing more than he has so far.

Agree with all you've stated, LJSA.  You could possibly add Harrison, along with Lindsey and Greene. 

Great article, thanks marillac! Stith is vital to the progression of this team, the coaches, the newcomers and now the fans know this. Malik is a trooper. CAPTAIN!

Quote from: Wods317 on July 17, 2011, 12:44:06 AM

I saw Stith and GG working out about a month ago and Stith was definitely taking a leadership role. During the workout Stith was working hard and encouraging and talking to GG. I am sure he is doing a very similar job with all the other recruits that are now on campus. He may not be the best player on the team but he's a hard worker and seems like a good kid and leader for these freshman.

Working out as in weights or on the court?  If the latter, any observations?

There was no actual basketball playing involved they were doing a lot of running drills. It seemed to be mostly speed and conditioning drills the day that I saw them. I was there the other day again and saw Burrell and Paris shooting around but haven't seen the new guys yet although haven't been on campus much this summer.

Stith will be a spectator next season, just like he was last season. He could beat out Malik Boothe for P/T, that says it all.

Stith will be a spectator next season, just like he was last season. He could beat out Malik Boothe for P/T, that says it all.

I think the kid actually just likes it here, and that lack of playing time -- although possibly hurtful and crappy and ego deflating -- isn't his first priority anymore.

Depends on how our 6'3" guards handle the quick six footers they're going to face.  Stith is quicker than Boothe but I don't know about the elite short guys we're going to see.  That'll dictate whether we play a lot of zone.  I can even see Pointer at the head of the zone at times challenging the short guys.

Depends on how our 6'3" guards handle the quick six footers they're going to face.  Stith is quicker than Boothe but I don't know about the elite short guys we're going to see.  That'll dictate whether we play a lot of zone.  I can even see Pointer at the head of the zone at times challenging the short guys.

There are several 6'3" and taller guys who were more than capable of handling their own against smaller guards (ie, Derrick Rose and John Wall of recent).  Heck!  Kyle Anderson would make mince meat outta most shorter guards.  It's all about being skilled.

I'm sure Nurideen Lindsey, Phil Greene and when necessary, D'Angelo Harrison can hold their own against the smaller guards.

EDIT:  You're talking about defensively, I see.  Lindsey and Greene certainly have the lateral quickness to stay with quicker guards.  Quite frankly, I liked what I saw from Harrison laterally in the all-star games I witnessed.  As, far as Lindsey is all about him being properly coached and having the fortitude to play "D."   He definitely has the lateral ability to do so.

Stith will be a spectator next season, just like he was last season. He could beat out Malik Boothe for P/T, that says it all.

Unfortunately (for Stith's sake), I think that is going to be the case, as well.  I hope he does make the leap and can become a sufficient and reliable option.  My belief is he'll practically receive the same amount of time as he received a season ago.

Last year Stith got 6-7 mpg as 3rd PG during BE play.
With only 4 guards (I really dont think Pointer gets
minutes @ 2 , maybe Garrett) I hope he gets 10+ min in rotation.

With all the scorers @ the 2,3 & 4, as long as his handle is tight &
plays good D he wont hurt us with 10-12 mpg

a tidbit..Stith lead the team last year in Steals-turnover differential... +5

Stith will be a spectator next season, just like he was last season. He could beat out Malik Boothe for P/T, that says it all.

Ambromaitis had worse stats as a soph and blew up his third year in college.  Our starting PG was an All-American last year and Boothe was a three year starter.  Horne was a senior,our best defender, and  started a lot of games throughout  his four years.  Boothe only averaged six more mpg than Stith in spite of the two year advantage in experience.

12 mpg
3.3 ppg
1 apg
.7 stp

Not awful for a top 25 team loaded with seniors.

We obviously have a talented class coming in, but these kids never lifted weights like Stith, they don't have two year of experience like Stith, they've never led a D-1 team to a win like Stith did for us over Arizona St., and they haven't had two summers to work on their shortcomings.  Year one, Stith will get 15-20 mpg. 

Quote from: pmg911 on July 18, 2011, 12:18:00 PM

Stith will be a spectator next season, just like he was last season. He could beat out Malik Boothe for P/T, that says it all.

Ambromaitis had worse stats as a soph and blew up his third year in college.  Our starting PG was an All-American last year and Boothe was a three year starter.  Horne was a senior,our best defender, and  started a lot of games throughout  his four years.  Boothe only averaged six more mpg than Stith in spite of the two year advantage in experience.

12 mpg
3.3 ppg
1 apg
.7 stp

Not awful for a top 25 team loaded with seniors.

We obviously have a talented class coming in, but these kids never lifted weights like Stith, they don't have two year of experience like Stith, they've never led a D-1 team to a win like Stith did for us over Arizona St., and they haven't had two summers to work on their shortcomings.  Year one, Stith will get 15-20 mpg.

Marillac, I think 15-20 per game is a bit generous.  Wasn't some of that time last season when we had injuries?  Stith is a solid player, but with the roster we have, he'll have a hard time garnering 20mpg with Nuri, Harrison, Greene etc... 

Quote from: Marillac on July 18, 2011, 05:58:36 PM

Quote from: pmg911 on July 18, 2011, 12:18:00 PM

Stith will be a spectator next season, just like he was last season. He could beat out Malik Boothe for P/T, that says it all.

Ambromaitis had worse stats as a soph and blew up his third year in college.  Our starting PG was an All-American last year and Boothe was a three year starter.  Horne was a senior,our best defender, and  started a lot of games throughout  his four years.  Boothe only averaged six more mpg than Stith in spite of the two year advantage in experience.

12 mpg
3.3 ppg
1 apg
.7 stp

Not awful for a top 25 team loaded with seniors.

We obviously have a talented class coming in, but these kids never lifted weights like Stith, they don't have two year of experience like Stith, they've never led a D-1 team to a win like Stith did for us over Arizona St., and they haven't had two summers to work on their shortcomings.  Year one, Stith will get 15-20 mpg.

Marillac, I think 15-20 per game is a bit generous.  Wasn't some of that time last season when we had injuries?  Stith is a solid player, but with the roster we have, he'll have a hard time garnering 20mpg with Nuri, Harrison, Greene etc... 

Perhaps it's a bit generous, but we were also in the top 20 last season.  We won't flirt with the top 25 by mid-season this season IMO.  He's the only kid that will have a clue how our system works for the first handful of weeks.  He's the strongest guard we've got...our best defender this season...and a tough kid.  Betting against this kid is ill-advised.  Coaches love warriors.

Year two is a different story. 

Quote from: pmg911 on July 18, 2011, 12:18:00 PM

Stith will be a spectator next season, just like he was last season. He could beat out Malik Boothe for P/T, that says it all.

Ambromaitis had worse stats as a soph and blew up his third year in college.  Our starting PG was an All-American last year and Boothe was a three year starter.  Horne was a senior,our best defender, and  started a lot of games throughout  his four years.  Boothe only averaged six more mpg than Stith in spite of the two year advantage in experience.

12 mpg
3.3 ppg
1 apg
.7 stp

Not awful for a top 25 team loaded with seniors.

We obviously have a talented class coming in, but these kids never lifted weights like Stith, they don't have two year of experience like Stith, they've never led a D-1 team to a win like Stith did for us over Arizona St., and they haven't had two summers to work on their shortcomings.  Year one, Stith will get 15-20 mpg. 

I love stats more than anyone but there are severe flaws when it comes to Stith's.

He only scored in double figures once in the BE and that was a blowout loss to Lville where he scored 12.  He only played double digit minutes 3 times in the BE and two of those were blowout losses. (same Lville game and Gtown loss).  After the Fordham game he pretty much disappeared.  He had just 5 assists after the Fordham game. 

I can recall Stith's season in a few moments. 1- Hitting some shots down the stretch as we tried to cut the St. Mary's lead.  2- The 3 point heave that triggered the ASU win.  And 3- 5 big points vs. Cuse in the BET where I do wished he played more mins because he wasn't afraid to penetrate the zone.

Moose wrote:  I love stats more than anyone.

Better make that ALMOST more than anyone, Moose! 

Best part about sports is it is unpredictable and after reading that article I am rooting for the kid. His progress will also show how good our coaching staff really is.

Stith will not sniff the floor during significant minutes for us, as he shouldn't.  He is not a Big East talent, plain and simple.  That being said, he will be very valuable in the development of our guards and in practice can really show these guys how the Big East game is played so I really am glad he decided to stick around.  It's just a shame he has a dreadfully ugly jump shot.  I love this story because he always seemed like more of a quiet guy and it's nice to see him take a much needed leadership role with the youngsters.

Stith will not sniff the floor during significant minutes for us, as he shouldn't.  He is not a Big East talent, plain and simple.  That being said, he will be very valuable in the development of our guards and in practice can really show these guys how the Big East game is played so I really am glad he decided to stick around.  It's just a shame he has a dreadfully ugly jump shot.  I love this story because he always seemed like more of a quiet guy and it's nice to see him take a much needed leadership role with the youngsters.

Dreadfully ugly jump shot?  Not a BiG East talent?  He's fast and athletic as h'ell.  His problem was skill, the least of which being his jumper. 

We can can bring this thread back when Stith is shooting near 35% from three, "sniffs the floor" and is our best defensive option at the point.  I never bet against a kid that is this tough and works this hard.

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on July 19, 2011, 02:26:31 AM

Stith will not sniff the floor during significant minutes for us, as he shouldn't.  He is not a Big East talent, plain and simple.  That being said, he will be very valuable in the development of our guards and in practice can really show these guys how the Big East game is played so I really am glad he decided to stick around.  It's just a shame he has a dreadfully ugly jump shot.  I love this story because he always seemed like more of a quiet guy and it's nice to see him take a much needed leadership role with the youngsters.

Dreadfully ugly jump shot?  Not a BiG East talent?  He's fast and athletic as h'ell.  His problem was skill, the least of which being his jumper. 

We can can bring this thread back when Stith is shooting near 35% from three, "sniffs the floor" and is our best defensive option at the point.  I never bet against a kid that is this tough and works this hard.

Quote from: STJ11Redmen on July 19, 2011, 02:26:31 AM

Stith will not sniff the floor during significant minutes for us, as he shouldn't.  He is not a Big East talent, plain and simple.  That being said, he will be very valuable in the development of our guards and in practice can really show these guys how the Big East game is played so I really am glad he decided to stick around.  It's just a shame he has a dreadfully ugly jump shot.  I love this story because he always seemed like more of a quiet guy and it's nice to see him take a much needed leadership role with the youngsters.

Dreadfully ugly jump shot?  Not a BiG East talent?  He's fast and athletic as h'ell.  His problem was skill, the least of which being his jumper. 

We can can bring this thread back when Stith is shooting near 35% from three, "sniffs the floor" and is our best defensive option at this point.  I never bet against a kid that is this tough and works this hard.

Until the others prove themselves defensively against strong teams he may see important minutes at the end of close games. We'll  be loaded on offense and can finally afford a defensive specialist at critical junctures in the game.

Marillac's quote should say "the point.

to me his major problem thus far is running the offense and passing on the fast break to the  proper teammate at the right time. however after being buried by lou c  DAVID CAIN had a majestic senior season.  May malik also so prosper.