Big East presidents OK expansion

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Big East presidents OK expansion
« on: October 03, 2011, 10:06:05 AM »
If you ask me, ND is the glue right now to the Big East not falling apart.  They won't diss their brethren Catholic schools over money like state schools would do!

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7051020/presidents-chancellors-give-commissioner-ok-expand-big-east-conference

WASHINGTON -- The presidents and chancellors of the 14 remaining Big East members and TCU have authorized commissioner John Marinatto to "aggressively pursue discussions" with certain schools interested in joining the league.

The league released a statement after Sunday's meeting at Georgetown University in Washington. The meeting had been scheduled before Syracuse and Pittsburgh announced last month they will leave the conference to join the Atlantic Coast Conference.


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A source with knowledge of the meeting told ESPN.com's Andy Katz that the Big East did not issue any invitations Sunday. The source said a number of schools were discussed, including Navy, Army, Air Force, Temple, Central Florida and a new name in SMU, which would be a natural rival with TCU if the Horned Frogs honor the commitment to join the conference in 2012-13. All of these schools except Army and Navy would join the Big East for all sports.

The timing of Pitt and Syracuse's departure was also on the agenda, a source said. Pitt and Syracuse would like to get out for the 2012-13 season. But Marinatto has said he wants to hold the schools to the 27-month departure requirement.

ACC commissioner John Swofford said at the time of adding Pitt and Syracuse that he would honor that time frame. The exit fee is $5 million, but that could always be negotiated up, according to sources, to expedite the departure.

Connecticut still would rather be in the ACC than stay in the Big East if given the choice, a source said. But the Huskies' administration expect that the ACC is in no rush to expand beyond 14 after adding Pitt and Syracuse. The Huskies are prepared for this to drag on for quite some time.

Swofford has said he is comfortable at 14, but not philosophically against 16. The ACC would likely want to add Notre Dame and then Connecticut as a 16th school if it were to add two more schools. But Notre Dame continues to maintain its desire to be an independent in football and keep all its other sports in the Big East.

The original purpose of the meeting was to discuss the conference's upcoming television rights negotiations, but the defections forced expansion onto the agenda.

The Big East says the presidents also are "actively considering changes to the conference's governing bylaws to further solidify the membership of the conference."

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Re: Big East presidents OK expansion
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2011, 12:03:22 PM »
Sorry, I disagree with you. If ND cared about their fellow Catholic schools (or the Big East for that matter), they would have joined as a full time member in all sports, including football. If they were a full time member, Syracuse and Pitt never would have left.
ND cares about one thing....money. Remember, they were the first team to strike their own tv deal.

If UCONN was to leave, as well as WV, ND would look to join the Big Ten in a heartbeat.

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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2011, 04:32:17 PM »
Our first need is a BE Commissioner who knows what he/she is doing.  We need to be aggressive here.  I have stated this before, we need a shark running the BE.  None of us knows what the future of the BE will be, but a proactive BE Commissioner could develop a very interesting future for the BE in both BB and FB.  Our current BE Commish seems to be waiting for the truck to hit him.  Be part of the solution and not part of the problem!



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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2011, 01:44:04 PM »
According to Pete Thamel of the NY Times the Big East will make no moves this week.  I really wish they would make a move to get the ball rolling.

PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
Was just told by a Big East official that "nothing will happen this week" in regards to expansion/UCF.
 
He also had another tweet that Boise State is a long shot.

PeteThamelNYT Pete Thamel
While Big East football ADs are still pushing for Boise, was told "no steam for Boise" today on BE call. Still a LONG shot.
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Re: Big East presidents OK expansion
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2011, 06:31:23 PM »
Boise State makes no sense.  Geography does play a role.

Navy seems to be balking they don't think (and rightly so) that Big East football is very stable.   I really hope the basketball teams are planning for a split.  Football teams will bolt the first chance they get.  Basketball only schools need to be contacting schools that make big commitments to their basketball programs like Xavier, Butler and start getting creative.  If Villanova upgrades their football that takes another basketball only away.  Hopefully the basketball only schools are working and can keep Nova in the fold.
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« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2011, 12:23:35 AM »
http://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc-jacobs-bc-uconn-column-20111012,0,5187779.column


Gene DeFilippo's comments in an expansive Boston Globe piece surely will do more to help UConn's cause to gain eventual entry into the ACC than to hurt it.

The Boston College athletic director already did his damage to UConn by opposing its inclusion, a point he seemed only too happy to confirm Sunday as a victor in his one-man New England turf war.

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On Tuesday morning it was clear either A. DeFilippo saved the ACC from the evils of geographic rivalry, something that must be news to North Carolina and Duke, or B. He exposed himself as the BCS poster boy for vindictiveness, pettiness, retribution and insecurity. By late Tuesday afternoon, after he had sent a letter of apology to ACC presidents, it was clear DeFilippo chose B.

"While I harbor some ill feelings toward UConn regarding the lawsuit, depositions and derogatory comments from UConn officials when we announced our decision to join the ACC, it was inappropriate to express personal feelings that might have been construed as the position of BC or the ACC," DeFilippo said.

On Tuesday morning, it also was clear either A. DeFilippo stood as one of the great whistle-blowers in major college athletics or B. He had de-filipped his lid. By late Tuesday afternoon, after he had apologized for saying ESPN told the league to add Pittsburgh and Syracuse, it was clear DeFilippo again chose B.

DeFilippo said he "spoke inappropriately and erroneously regarding ESPN's role in conference expansion."

How do you miss so badly on such a big and important topic? Isn't this a serious indictment of his judgment? Or is he backing down from the truth to save his job? The real powers in the ACC are not pleased with DeFilippo for agitating the giant four-lettered beast of Bristol and they shouldn't be for rubbing UConn's face in his temporary triumph.

Dannel Malloy, who would become governor of Connecticut, received his undergraduate and law degrees from Boston College. He is the one who publicly confirmed that the state's flagship university is seeking entry into the ACC and is the one governor who has offered observations on the process. As part of his "First Five" program, Malloy also afforded millions in incentives with ESPN in exchange for the promise to create new jobs in the state.

Call it coincidence if you want. Yet with so many folks in Connecticut wondering this week who has hurt UConn athletics worse — BC directly or ESPN indirectly — it also is a reminder that this is a very small world with some very big business.

On Tuesday, Malloy told The Courant he held conversations with Boston College weeks ago. He said it remains his "hunch" that if the ACC lands the school it badly wants, Notre Dame, UConn will be added as No. 16. And if not, the ACC won't expand again for two to four years.

"What is important is no further damage be done to the relationship [with BC]," Malloy said. "That time and energy go into making what should happen possible."

DeFilippo's quote, "We didn't want [UConn] in. It was a matter of turf. We wanted to be the New England team," is getting the big play in Connecticut. Yet it is his quote, "ESPN is the one who told us what to do," that gained national attention. Those words have given weight to a popular theory that ESPN prompted the Big East's demise by encouraging Pittsburgh and Syracuse to go to the ACC as retaliation for a TV deal that was rejected.

After the conference turned down a nine-year $1.4 billion deal with ESPN in May, commissioner John Marinatto talked in early August how new network deals with conferences had changed the rules and how an empowered Big East could now afford to sift through bids by ESPN, Fox, NBC.

Those words turned out to be fool's gold. Within weeks the conference as a football entity was shredded. Syracuse, Pitt, TCU — gone. And while the mad scramble is on to build the Big East up to 12 teams, the Big East is in a much worse position for a fat TV contract. And who knows what will happen to the automatic qualifying bid — the real selling point — when the BCS contract expires after the 2013 season. With the addition of Pitt and Syracuse, meanwhile, the ACC will have the 12-year deal it signed last year sweetened by ESPN.

The shock is not that ESPN, which denied DeFilippo's assertions, would exert some influence, it's that one of the BCS athletic directors would boldly announce his school is doing what ESPN tells him to. It introduces questions about collusion and business practices.

"It would be unproductive and irresponsible to speculate about violations of law based on the minimal information publicly reported," Attorney General George Jepsen said.

"Let's not be Pollyanna about this," Gov. Malloy said. "Collegiate sports is big business. Having said that, there wasn't a whole lot of detail by DeFilippo given about it. … I'm not buying into the assumptions."

For good reason: A few hours later, word came down from Chestnut Hill.

Whoops. Sorry. My bad.

Have you ever heard of the Rashomon effect? It's where observers produce different but plausible accounts of an event. Well-placed sources who have talked to officials around the ACC have come away with varying accounts of how much damage DeFilippo did to UConn. Some say serious damage. Others say it was fringe. Still others say they know he's full of baloney.

Heck, the entire premise of the Globe piece was an unresolved argument over whether basketball or football was the major force in the ACC expansion plan. There are lots of schools in this, lots of academicians, lots of sports people, lots of varying opinions. The 12-person ACC expansion committee, of which DeFilippo is a member, researched possibilities. It's a long process. If it was close between UConn and Pitt, could DeFilippo have tilted the balance against UConn? Absolutely. But I have a hard time believing that UConn was clearly the No. 2 choice behind Syracuse, and that BC was so powerful it stopped UConn's entry. Only DeFilippo's ego is big enough to believe that one.

Even after weeks of consideration, 'm still not comfortable coming up with one reason BC doesn't want UConn in the ACC. According to multiple sources, Father William Leahy, BC president, voiced concerns to UConn President Susan Herbst about the APR standing of the three-time national champion men's basketball program and nothing about geography. Yet DeFilippo publicly talked about controlling New England, a truly absurd notion.

Neither BC nor UConn holds sway over all of New England. BC and UConn would be much bigger together as on-field rivals than apart as off-field enemies. Is there long-standing animus over the lawsuit Richard Blumenthal filed and over Jim Calhoun's comments that he'd never play BC again? Yes, but c'mon. Even my own arguments with Calhoun don't last seven years. Let's get over it.

If the ACC never does expand, if UConn dawdles on in the Big East, Gene DiFilippo will have the last laugh. But when they do look at expansion again the powers in the ACC would be wise to look through the eyes of someone else. Although by this point, they probably already know this.


Re: Big East presidents OK expansion
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2011, 01:43:58 PM »
is SMU an option or we don't want to get burned twice?
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2011, 02:55:00 PM »
SMU?? the league is in the middle of an ugly divorce.  who's going to want to get in the middle of the fray?

can this marriage be saved?

i doubt it. 

Re: Big East presidents OK expansion
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2011, 07:43:16 PM »
Boise State, Air Force and Navy to be invited for football.  UCF in all sports.

They will put to a vote to raise the exit fee to $10 million.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7101780/big-east-double-exit-fee-invite-four-schools-expansion
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2011, 07:49:18 PM »
Boise State, Air Force and Navy to be invited for football.  UCF in all sports.

They will put to a vote to raise the exit fee to $10 million.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7101780/big-east-double-exit-fee-invite-four-schools-expansion

Good.  Hopefully Temple and/or Memphis will also be in the cards for all sports.

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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2011, 08:24:13 PM »
Boise State, Air Force and Navy to be invited for football.  UCF in all sports.

They will put to a vote to raise the exit fee to $10 million.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7101780/big-east-double-exit-fee-invite-four-schools-expansion

Things are not getting any easier for the Big East, Mountain West and Conference USA merging.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7102822/mountain-west-conference-usa-announce-football-only-alliance
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2011, 10:43:04 PM »
Wow...SMU, UCF, and Houston in all sports?  That would give us 17 basketball teams?

Air Force and Boise State in Football only...possibly Navy too would make 12 football teams.

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« Reply #15 on: October 18, 2011, 02:39:20 PM »
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/index

Looks like we already send an invite to Houston.

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« Reply #16 on: October 18, 2011, 06:34:39 PM »
Wow...SMU, UCF, and Houston in all sports?  That would give us 17 basketball teams?

Air Force and Boise State in Football only...possibly Navy too would make 12 football teams.

Don't like the uneven number, 18 and 12 football would be my preference

I would prefer Memphis be added for all sports and pass on Navy

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« Reply #17 on: October 18, 2011, 07:01:08 PM »
http://espn.go.com/new-york/story/_/id/7119127/big-east-raises-exit-fee-seeks-12-football-teams

The Big East's presidents unanimously voted Monday night to increase the league's withdrawal fee from $5 million to $10 million when an expansion plan is executed, Marinatto said.

Marinatto declined to talk about specific schools the Big East wants to add, but says the conference has "identified specific teams, and if any one of those teams commits (to joining the league), the exit fee increases."

A source told ESPN.com's Andy Katz recently that the Big East's plan was to send conditional invitations to Houston and Southern Methodist for all sports, and to Air Force and Boise State for football only.

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Marinatto reiterated that the Big East intends to hold Pitt and Syracuse to the league's 27-month notification rule and keep those schools in the Big East for the next two years.

Also Tuesday:

• Marinatto said he is not opposed to going outside the Big East's geographical boundary of the Central time zone.

• Big East basketball members, including Notre Dame, fully endorse the conference's expansion plans.
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« Reply #18 on: October 18, 2011, 08:31:12 PM »
If we can keep uconn, Louisville, west virginia, and routers,  We may be better off without Syracuse and Pitt. Road is only easier and we won't have to worry about 2 great teams. We also get a few easy conference wins.

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« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2011, 08:41:37 PM »
If we can keep uconn, Louisville, west virginia, and routers,  We may be better off without Syracuse and Pitt. Road is only easier and we won't have to worry about 2 great teams. We also get a few easy conference wins.

I don't disagree.  Our biggest obstacle is keeping those teams however.