Jonathan Severe - SG - Christ the King HS - New York, N.Y. - FORDHAM

It amazes me how people never seem to factor the level of play into analyzing a player.  Does anyone think MoMo Jones would have led the world in scoring if he had stayed at Arizona, or even ended up at SJU?

No, I don´t think so.
But do you really see Greene, Bourgault, Branch (all backcourt players) shooting 7/10 on three pointers in one of our games?

I saw Marco drain a bunch of 3's in like 12 minutes against G-town last year.  I have no doubt that if you put Phil Greene in the MAAC, he would score 20 on many occasions.  Branch tore up Depaul last year.

I'm not saying Severe isn't good.  Majors miss on guys like him all the time who end up being really good players.  And if he scores 25 against Cuse, Poison, it still won't demonstrate to me that this is a guy who is a must for our team or necessarily better than what we have.  We've had guys drop points on Cuse (like Mase a few years back) who weren't good scorers. 

My only point is that just because a guy puts up big numbers in a lower conference doesn't mean he would be anywhere near that caliber a player when going up against top flight competition and bigger/quicker athletes every game.

Unless you are willing to say that Severe should have been recruited over Jordan, than this discussion is stupid..

We got Jordan... End of story.

Severe would certainly not get the playing time here that he will get at Fordham.  I'm sure he would rather be in the rotation/start there than be the 10th man here.  Nonetheless, I agree with Boo3:  We got Jordan...End of story.

He also looked dreadful in their exhibition game a few days earlier.
Oh and Avery Patterson once hit 7 or 8 in a game too.

Like was pointed out if anyone wants Severe ask yourself if you want him in place of Jordan.  Because that's the question.  Nothing about Phil or Marco or anyone else. 

I bet a ten  dollar beer that he scores 15 points plus against us. Any takers

I bet a ten  dollar beer that he scores 15 points plus against us. Any takers

Considering our deficiencies in defending the 3, one would have to be a fool to take that bet.  It still doesn't make him a better recruit than the #3 pg in the class---a position we more desperately needed to fill.

If Fordham played Wisconsin last night in SD they would have lost by 25+ and Bo Ryan would have emptied his bench with 5 minutes to play.  And nobody would have cared what Jon did.

Jon is a perfect fit for Fordham.

You can play this game all day by simply perusing the roster of mid major schools all around our area and cherry pick a kid here or there who is playing well perhaps at a need position and claim, Why didn't we sign him?

It's a stupid debate .  Please stop.  We have Jordan, thankfully.  The woulda, coulda, shoulda crowd sounds nice personic on this one. 

  Where are all the kadeem Jack posts?

Like was pointed out if anyone wants Severe ask yourself if you want him in place of Jordan.  Because that's the question.  Nothing about Phil or Marco or anyone else. 

OK. This will be my last post on this thread. I would not choose Severe over Jordan. But I would have chosen both.
Why? Because last season was evident that we needed shooters. 
How? Very easy: not redshirting Achiuwa last season. I didn´t understand it. And, please, don´t tell me because the Sánchez situation because this season Sánchez, Sampson, Obepka and Achiuwa are playing together.

Quote from: Moose on November 09, 2013, 12:12:05 PM

Like was pointed out if anyone wants Severe ask yourself if you want him in place of Jordan.  Because that's the question.  Nothing about Phil or Marco or anyone else. 

OK. This will be my last post on this thread. I would not choose Severe over Jordan. But I would have chosen both.
Why? Because last season was evident that we needed shooters. 
How? Very easy: not redshirting Achiuwa last season. I didn´t understand it. And, please, don´t tell me because the Sánchez situation because this season Sánchez, Sampson, Obepka and Achiuwa are playing together.

Pretty sure you can go back and find posts where I questioned the move as well.  If Sanchez played last year then we might have room for Severe.  But guess what there are just as many people complaining we can't find a frontcourt guy.  It's pretty interesting to see how all over our fan base is.

Some want NYC players only
Some want a frontcourt player
Some want higher IQ less highly rated players

Quote from: gonzalo on November 09, 2013, 03:33:36 PM

Quote from: Moose on November 09, 2013, 12:12:05 PM

Like was pointed out if anyone wants Severe ask yourself if you want him in place of Jordan.  Because that's the question.  Nothing about Phil or Marco or anyone else. 

OK. This will be my last post on this thread. I would not choose Severe over Jordan. But I would have chosen both.
Why? Because last season was evident that we needed shooters. 
How? Very easy: not redshirting Achiuwa last season. I didn´t understand it. And, please, don´t tell me because the Sánchez situation because this season Sánchez, Sampson, Obepka and Achiuwa are playing together.

Pretty sure you can go back and find posts where I questioned the move as well.  If Sanchez played last year then we might have room for Severe.  But guess what there are just as many people complaining we can't find a frontcourt guy.  It's pretty interesting to see how all over our fan base is.

Some want NYC players only
Some want a frontcourt player
Some want higher IQ less highly rated players

Quote from: Moose on November 09, 2013, 12:12:05 PM

Like was pointed out if anyone wants Severe ask yourself if you want him in place of Jordan.  Because that's the question.  Nothing about Phil or Marco or anyone else. 

OK. This will be my last post on this thread. I would not choose Severe over Jordan. But I would have chosen both.
Why? Because last season was evident that we needed shooters. 
How? Very easy: not redshirting Achiuwa last season. I didn´t understand it. And, please, don´t tell me because the Sánchez situation because this season Sánchez, Sampson, Obepka and Achiuwa are playing together.

Jon Severe would be sitting the bench now at SJU.  He would not have gotten 10 shots last night against Wisconsin.  And if he did he wouldn't have made 7 and it would only be because it was garbage time.

You cannot translate a game performance against a nobody team in a home gym against a Big 10 power in the middle of nowhere.

Quote from: gonzalo on November 09, 2013, 02:07:17 AM

First game of the season: 28 points, 7/10 on three pointers.

What would we possibly do with a prolific 3 pt shooter?

We have one and he played 5 minutes in the first game...

I never wanted him over Jordan. Would have taken him over gift, Marco, or max. Norm used to make players leave all the time

One way to guarantee idiotic, unsubstantiated, incoherent, ridiculous opinions pawned off as if they are facts is have SJU lose a game.

Guaranteed.

Jon severe isnt a prolific 3 point shooter

19 points 4/10 from 3 vs Cuse.

19 points 4/10 from 3 vs Cuse.

Well, he's better than Elijah Ingram.

22 points at halftime vs manhattan