It's not possible to get 5 wins out of these matchups? DePaul 2x, Hall, Rutgers, ND, Pitt, UCLA, Georgetown, Cincinnati, WVUA split with DePaul and 4 more?
Quote from: IllWill on January 21, 2012, 04:05:31 PMNEWSFLASH: we have a team of freshmen who are on scholarship who have never won anything at this level in their lives. THEY SHOULD BE PLAYING HARD. it's sickening to see posters throw around the "good effort guys!" and "atleast we played hard!" posts. That is how LOSERS talk. All that matters is W's...We all realize these kids are freshmen, but that doesn't mean at this point of the season they should play like they did down the stretch today. It screams to a lack of fundamentals, bad coaching, and lack of offensive ability. Yes, our kids played hard...but so does almost every team in america.What it screams of is a team full of undersized, out of position freshmen, playing a team they've never seen before who still hung in and fought back like true warriors.
NEWSFLASH: we have a team of freshmen who are on scholarship who have never won anything at this level in their lives. THEY SHOULD BE PLAYING HARD. it's sickening to see posters throw around the "good effort guys!" and "atleast we played hard!" posts. That is how LOSERS talk. All that matters is W's...We all realize these kids are freshmen, but that doesn't mean at this point of the season they should play like they did down the stretch today. It screams to a lack of fundamentals, bad coaching, and lack of offensive ability. Yes, our kids played hard...but so does almost every team in america.
Quote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 12:00:47 PMMy main issue is I don't see this team winning more than two games the rest of the way, and I couldn't even tell you which two games we will win. I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way. And how will/would that affect the team moving forward? Will kids transfer? Will recruits shy away? So you can't say which games they'll be but you boldly make a prediction? C'mon this is why you get killed by people as being negative. If actually added some substance to your statement then people might take your opinion as valid, might not agree with it, but they could at least understand your logic. I'd set the bar at a realistic 5 for the under/over with 12 games remaining. Duke and Syracuse are the only guaranteed losses in my opinion while the other games are all winnable.
My main issue is I don't see this team winning more than two games the rest of the way, and I couldn't even tell you which two games we will win. I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way. And how will/would that affect the team moving forward? Will kids transfer? Will recruits shy away?
Quote from: desco80 on January 21, 2012, 10:52:11 PMQuote from: IllWill on January 21, 2012, 06:43:57 PMQuote from: desco80 on January 21, 2012, 05:54:13 PMHome from the game...This is a good team. Excuse me?I'll admit that may seem ridiculous out of context. We've lost four in a row, so are we good in the same way that say Illinois is a "good" team this year? No. To expand, what I meant by it is that there are things to like about this team. And in the long run I think we'll consider them a good team in the history of SJU basketball. If you want to argue over whether or not we're a "good" team, I don't have much to go on other than potential. The W's aren't there. But basketball is going to exist beyond this season, and we will start piling them up. So it all depends on what time frame you're looking at. Is this a good 2012 team? Nah. But will the St Johns team of 2012-2014 be our best since at least the 98-99 Elite 8 team? Yea I think so. So to me... they're good.I think the rash differences in outlooks stems from some people just looking ahead to the future and some like myself not willing to just sacrifice a season. Everyone here knows we will be a better team down the road. How good is yet to be determined and really can't be determined, but even the most pessimistic person knows these kids will improve.My main issue is I don't see this team winning more than two games the rest of the way, and I couldn't even tell you which two games we will win. I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way. And how will/would that affect the team moving forward? Will kids transfer? Will recruits shy away?
Quote from: IllWill on January 21, 2012, 06:43:57 PMQuote from: desco80 on January 21, 2012, 05:54:13 PMHome from the game...This is a good team. Excuse me?I'll admit that may seem ridiculous out of context. We've lost four in a row, so are we good in the same way that say Illinois is a "good" team this year? No. To expand, what I meant by it is that there are things to like about this team. And in the long run I think we'll consider them a good team in the history of SJU basketball. If you want to argue over whether or not we're a "good" team, I don't have much to go on other than potential. The W's aren't there. But basketball is going to exist beyond this season, and we will start piling them up. So it all depends on what time frame you're looking at. Is this a good 2012 team? Nah. But will the St Johns team of 2012-2014 be our best since at least the 98-99 Elite 8 team? Yea I think so. So to me... they're good.
Quote from: desco80 on January 21, 2012, 05:54:13 PMHome from the game...This is a good team. Excuse me?
Home from the game...This is a good team.
Quote from: derk on January 21, 2012, 08:36:03 PMQuote from: IllWill on January 21, 2012, 04:05:31 PMNEWSFLASH: we have a team of freshmen who are on scholarship who have never won anything at this level in their lives. THEY SHOULD BE PLAYING HARD. it's sickening to see posters throw around the "good effort guys!" and "atleast we played hard!" posts. That is how LOSERS talk. All that matters is W's...We all realize these kids are freshmen, but that doesn't mean at this point of the season they should play like they did down the stretch today. It screams to a lack of fundamentals, bad coaching, and lack of offensive ability. Yes, our kids played hard...but so does almost every team in america.What it screams of is a team full of undersized, out of position freshmen, playing a team they've never seen before who still hung in and fought back like true warriors. sounds like 1 of norms teams
Quote from: Dave on January 22, 2012, 01:10:48 PMQuote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 12:00:47 PMMy main issue is I don't see this team winning more than two games the rest of the way, and I couldn't even tell you which two games we will win. I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way. And how will/would that affect the team moving forward? Will kids transfer? Will recruits shy away? It won't surprise me if we don't winSo you can't say which games they'll be but you boldly make a prediction? C'mon this is why you get killed by people as being negative. If actually added some substance to your statement then people might take your opinion as valid, might not agree with it, but they could at least understand your logic. I'd set the bar at a realistic 5 for the under/over with 12 games remaining. Duke and Syracuse are the only guaranteed losses in my opinion while the other games are all winnable.Wait, what? I didn't make any bold predictions...I said it wouldn't suprise me or we have a chance to not win another game. I never said we wouldn't win another game, I implied that it wouldn't surprise me. What "substance" did I need to add? Have you not watched this team play? I'm still confused as to what you were alluding to with your "so you can't say which games" comment.
Quote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 12:00:47 PMMy main issue is I don't see this team winning more than two games the rest of the way, and I couldn't even tell you which two games we will win. I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way. And how will/would that affect the team moving forward? Will kids transfer? Will recruits shy away? It won't surprise me if we don't winSo you can't say which games they'll be but you boldly make a prediction? C'mon this is why you get killed by people as being negative. If actually added some substance to your statement then people might take your opinion as valid, might not agree with it, but they could at least understand your logic. I'd set the bar at a realistic 5 for the under/over with 12 games remaining. Duke and Syracuse are the only guaranteed losses in my opinion while the other games are all winnable.
Quote from: Dave on January 22, 2012, 02:10:45 PMIt's not possible to get 5 wins out of these matchups? DePaul 2x, Hall, Rutgers, ND, Pitt, UCLA, Georgetown, Cincinnati, WVUA split with DePaul and 4 more?Of course it's possible...I hope we win every single one of those games and we have a great end to the season. I'll be the first one in here praising these kids, praising the coaching staff.but we also have a good chance at losing every single one of those games.
Quote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 02:39:50 PMQuote from: Dave on January 22, 2012, 01:10:48 PMQuote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 12:00:47 PMMy main issue is I don't see this team winning more than two games the rest of the way, and I couldn't even tell you which two games we will win. I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way. And how will/would that affect the team moving forward? Will kids transfer? Will recruits shy away? It won't surprise me if we don't winSo you can't say which games they'll be but you boldly make a prediction? C'mon this is why you get killed by people as being negative. If actually added some substance to your statement then people might take your opinion as valid, might not agree with it, but they could at least understand your logic. I'd set the bar at a realistic 5 for the under/over with 12 games remaining. Duke and Syracuse are the only guaranteed losses in my opinion while the other games are all winnable.Wait, what? I didn't make any bold predictions...I said it wouldn't suprise me or we have a chance to not win another game. I never said we wouldn't win another game, I implied that it wouldn't surprise me. What "substance" did I need to add? Have you not watched this team play? I'm still confused as to what you were alluding to with your "so you can't say which games" comment. It's pretty hard to lie about what you said when its in black and white print. "I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way."If that isn't a boldly negative statement with not factual evidence to support it than I don't know what is. Substance would be you don't think St. John's has enough size to compete with remaining matchups, 9/12 teams remaining on the schedule play zone as their primary defense, etc. (all hypothetical examples) but you didn't and there is plenty of things to counter your empty statement. As for you now saying it wouldn't "surprise" you if they didn't win thats like saying I'm sorry not sorry. It just doesn't work.
Quote from: Dave on January 22, 2012, 03:14:25 PMQuote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 02:39:50 PMQuote from: Dave on January 22, 2012, 01:10:48 PMQuote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 12:00:47 PMMy main issue is I don't see this team winning more than two games the rest of the way, and I couldn't even tell you which two games we will win. I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way. And how will/would that affect the team moving forward? Will kids transfer? Will recruits shy away? It won't surprise me if we don't winSo you can't say which games they'll be but you boldly make a prediction? C'mon this is why you get killed by people as being negative. If actually added some substance to your statement then people might take your opinion as valid, might not agree with it, but they could at least understand your logic. I'd set the bar at a realistic 5 for the under/over with 12 games remaining. Duke and Syracuse are the only guaranteed losses in my opinion while the other games are all winnable.Wait, what? I didn't make any bold predictions...I said it wouldn't suprise me or we have a chance to not win another game. I never said we wouldn't win another game, I implied that it wouldn't surprise me. What "substance" did I need to add? Have you not watched this team play? I'm still confused as to what you were alluding to with your "so you can't say which games" comment. It's pretty hard to lie about what you said when its in black and white print. "I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way."If that isn't a boldly negative statement with not factual evidence to support it than I don't know what is. Substance would be you don't think St. John's has enough size to compete with remaining matchups, 9/12 teams remaining on the schedule play zone as their primary defense, etc. (all hypothetical examples) but you didn't and there is plenty of things to counter your empty statement. As for you now saying it wouldn't "surprise" you if they didn't win thats like saying I'm sorry not sorry. It just doesn't work. I never lied...you just don't know the definition of a prediction. I never predicted anything...maybe you should be reading a dictionary instead of my postsWow...did your eally need me to explain for the 90th time why I don't think this is a good team? And why I think it's possible we could lose every game?I didn't realize I was dealing with an ignoramous so I'll break it down for you:- We had 6 players (I don't count stith)- Were all new players- We have no size- We have no true PG- Some of our players are regressing- Our coaching staff is average- We can't hit outside shotsHappy now? I'm pretty sure all of that could have been assumed by most people. Again my apologies for not spelling out what 95% of the posters here know.
Quote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 04:11:47 PMQuote from: Dave on January 22, 2012, 03:14:25 PMQuote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 02:39:50 PMQuote from: Dave on January 22, 2012, 01:10:48 PMQuote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 12:00:47 PMMy main issue is I don't see this team winning more than two games the rest of the way, and I couldn't even tell you which two games we will win. I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way. And how will/would that affect the team moving forward? Will kids transfer? Will recruits shy away? It won't surprise me if we don't winSo you can't say which games they'll be but you boldly make a prediction? C'mon this is why you get killed by people as being negative. If actually added some substance to your statement then people might take your opinion as valid, might not agree with it, but they could at least understand your logic. I'd set the bar at a realistic 5 for the under/over with 12 games remaining. Duke and Syracuse are the only guaranteed losses in my opinion while the other games are all winnable.Wait, what? I didn't make any bold predictions...I said it wouldn't suprise me or we have a chance to not win another game. I never said we wouldn't win another game, I implied that it wouldn't surprise me. What "substance" did I need to add? Have you not watched this team play? I'm still confused as to what you were alluding to with your "so you can't say which games" comment. It's pretty hard to lie about what you said when its in black and white print. "I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way."If that isn't a boldly negative statement with not factual evidence to support it than I don't know what is. Substance would be you don't think St. John's has enough size to compete with remaining matchups, 9/12 teams remaining on the schedule play zone as their primary defense, etc. (all hypothetical examples) but you didn't and there is plenty of things to counter your empty statement. As for you now saying it wouldn't "surprise" you if they didn't win thats like saying I'm sorry not sorry. It just doesn't work. I never lied...you just don't know the definition of a prediction. I never predicted anything...maybe you should be reading a dictionary instead of my postsWow...did your eally need me to explain for the 90th time why I don't think this is a good team? And why I think it's possible we could lose every game?I didn't realize I was dealing with an ignoramous so I'll break it down for you:- We had 6 players (I don't count stith)- Were all new players- We have no size- We have no true PG- Some of our players are regressing- Our coaching staff is average- We can't hit outside shotsHappy now? I'm pretty sure all of that could have been assumed by most people. Again my apologies for not spelling out what 95% of the posters here know.Wow...just wow. These two make me laugh out loud. Regressing? Are you serious? They have not even been college players long enough to be regressing. Apparently they have gotten worse since their losses against Detroit and Northeastern?Yeah we don't have Lavin right now, but most intelligent basketball fans know that our staff is an elite coaching staff. What team do you actually root for? Rutgers? Seton Hall?
Quote from: redstorm212 on January 22, 2012, 05:26:54 PMQuote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 04:11:47 PMQuote from: Dave on January 22, 2012, 03:14:25 PMQuote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 02:39:50 PMQuote from: Dave on January 22, 2012, 01:10:48 PMQuote from: IllWill on January 22, 2012, 12:00:47 PMMy main issue is I don't see this team winning more than two games the rest of the way, and I couldn't even tell you which two games we will win. I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way. And how will/would that affect the team moving forward? Will kids transfer? Will recruits shy away? It won't surprise me if we don't winSo you can't say which games they'll be but you boldly make a prediction? C'mon this is why you get killed by people as being negative. If actually added some substance to your statement then people might take your opinion as valid, might not agree with it, but they could at least understand your logic. I'd set the bar at a realistic 5 for the under/over with 12 games remaining. Duke and Syracuse are the only guaranteed losses in my opinion while the other games are all winnable.Wait, what? I didn't make any bold predictions...I said it wouldn't suprise me or we have a chance to not win another game. I never said we wouldn't win another game, I implied that it wouldn't surprise me. What "substance" did I need to add? Have you not watched this team play? I'm still confused as to what you were alluding to with your "so you can't say which games" comment. It's pretty hard to lie about what you said when its in black and white print. "I seriously think we have a legit chance to not win a single game teh rest of the way."If that isn't a boldly negative statement with not factual evidence to support it than I don't know what is. Substance would be you don't think St. John's has enough size to compete with remaining matchups, 9/12 teams remaining on the schedule play zone as their primary defense, etc. (all hypothetical examples) but you didn't and there is plenty of things to counter your empty statement. As for you now saying it wouldn't "surprise" you if they didn't win thats like saying I'm sorry not sorry. It just doesn't work. I never lied...you just don't know the definition of a prediction. I never predicted anything...maybe you should be reading a dictionary instead of my postsWow...did your eally need me to explain for the 90th time why I don't think this is a good team? And why I think it's possible we could lose every game?I didn't realize I was dealing with an ignoramous so I'll break it down for you:- We had 6 players (I don't count stith)- Were all new players- We have no size- We have no true PG- Some of our players are regressing- Our coaching staff is average- We can't hit outside shotsHappy now? I'm pretty sure all of that could have been assumed by most people. Again my apologies for not spelling out what 95% of the posters here know.Wow...just wow. These two make me laugh out loud. Regressing? Are you serious? They have not even been college players long enough to be regressing. Apparently they have gotten worse since their losses against Detroit and Northeastern?Yeah we don't have Lavin right now, but most intelligent basketball fans know that our staff is an elite coaching staff. What team do you actually root for? Rutgers? Seton Hall?So you think that this coaching staff has done the best job they could with this team? Your happy with the job Dunlap is doing? Has GG not regressed? Is this team still not boxing out? You happy with the execution at the end of regulation and end of O.T. against Nova? Did you watch the game against South Florida? Wow...just wow.
I hate when guys question what team you root for when they have nothing more to add to the conversation