Moe Harkless

Look at the diffence between being a top 7 or 8 picks and at the bottom half of the 1st round. Certainly nothing to sneeze at the later end of the 1st round but as a financial advisor it's a no brainer to say if you have a chance the following year to be top 5 to stay for another year. Pretty interesting website

http://www.hoopsworld.com/2011-12-rookie-salary-scale/

Quote from: Mparty7441 on January 28, 2012, 03:49:56 PM

Gift is really bad offensive player. On the other hand, Harkless is clearly a stud and if stays next season he will challenge for BE player of the year.

I said it in the game thread....  Moe Harkless will be the preseason Big East POY next season.

Hell have some competition. Waynes from nova comes to mind

Quote from: we are sju on January 28, 2012, 04:08:22 PM

I would LOVE to see how this team could do next year if Lavin could add one big and maybe a JUCO guard that could knock down a three. With another big, a decent shooting guard and Branch I think this could be a sweet 16 team. Recruit, Harkless with Dom and Garret alternating at the three. GG would be the big off the bench. Harrison and Branch start with Juco and Greene coming off the bench.  It is a shame that this scenerio probably wont play out however. I think Moe should stay one more year and play on an NCAA team while working on his jumper. You can't blame a kid for grabbing the dough though. I am sure a bunch of you will though. But Harkless was the best guy on the floor today and I am sure we are not the only people who noticed.

Why won't your scenario play out?  Were in it with big men.  Your correct that we haven't heard a shooters name mentioned tho.

I think Harkless will be gone.

Moe isn't leaving unless he guaranteed to be lotto pick. This years class is stacked.

Next year he'll have a deep run in the tourney and make himself about 5 more million dollars. This really isn't a debate.

Moe isn't leaving unless he guaranteed to be lotto pick. This years class is stacked.

Next year he'll have a deep run in the tourney and make himself about 5 more million dollars. This really isn't a debate.

If he was on a better team I think he would have a shot to be a lottery pick this season. As it is I think he would go in the 20's. He is better than both Sealy and Artest at this point. Needs to refine his jumper and be more assertive, but the sky is the limit. I have no inside info at all but If I were laying odds  I say 50/50.

Quote from: we are sju on January 28, 2012, 04:08:22 PM

I would LOVE to see how this team could do next year if Lavin could add one big and maybe a JUCO guard that could knock down a three. With another big, a decent shooting guard and Branch I think this could be a sweet 16 team. Recruit, Harkless with Dom and Garret alternating at the three. GG would be the big off the bench. Harrison and Branch start with Juco and Greene coming off the bench.  It is a shame that this scenerio probably wont play out however. I think Moe should stay one more year and play on an NCAA team while working on his jumper. You can't blame a kid for grabbing the dough though. I am sure a bunch of you will though. But Harkless was the best guy on the floor today and I am sure we are not the only people who noticed.

Why won't your scenario play out?  Were in it with big men.  Your correct that we haven't heard a shooters name mentioned tho.

Here's the thing though Moose, let's say we get our wish and get Obekpa.   As a freshmen how much more can we expect from Chris O than we're getting from Gift now?    More blocked shots and a few more rebounds per game sure, but conversely worse foul shooting most likely.  And, maybe even an all around weaker offensive game, at least a freshmen. 

If we have two of Sampson/Gathers  or Gathers/Obekpa .. as freshmen keep in mind... do we win this game?     I think we probably do but it's not a guarantee.   

Even though size/post presence is our biggest weakness right now, I think we'll benefit most from having Branch at the point, some depth to keep us fresh,  and the continued development of Amir and Dom.    Those things combined, plus the freshmen "bigs".. that makes us an NCAA team.  But the size we're bringing in isn't "game-changing" talent in my opinion.  If that makes sense.

Quote from: Dave on January 28, 2012, 04:24:07 PM

Moe isn't leaving unless he guaranteed to be lotto pick. This years class is stacked.

Next year he'll have a deep run in the tourney and make himself about 5 more million dollars. This really isn't a debate.

If he was on a better team I think he would have a shot to be a lottery pick this season. As it is I think he would go in the 20's. He is better than both Sealy and Artest at this point. Needs to refine his jumper and be more assertive, but the sky is the limit. I have no inside info at all but If I were laying odds  I say 50/50.

Did you see Sealy play?

Quote from: Moose on January 28, 2012, 04:12:31 PM

Quote from: we are sju on January 28, 2012, 04:08:22 PM

I would LOVE to see how this team could do next year if Lavin could add one big and maybe a JUCO guard that could knock down a three. With another big, a decent shooting guard and Branch I think this could be a sweet 16 team. Recruit, Harkless with Dom and Garret alternating at the three. GG would be the big off the bench. Harrison and Branch start with Juco and Greene coming off the bench.  It is a shame that this scenerio probably wont play out however. I think Moe should stay one more year and play on an NCAA team while working on his jumper. You can't blame a kid for grabbing the dough though. I am sure a bunch of you will though. But Harkless was the best guy on the floor today and I am sure we are not the only people who noticed.

Why won't your scenario play out?  Were in it with big men.  Your correct that we haven't heard a shooters name mentioned tho.

Here's the thing though Moose, let's say we get our wish and get Obekpa.   As a freshmen how much more can we expect from Chris O than we're getting from Gift now?    More blocked shots and a few more rebounds per game sure, but conversely worse foul shooting most likely.  And, maybe even an all around weaker offensive game, at least a freshmen. 

If we have two of Sampson/Gathers  or Gathers/Obekpa .. as freshmen keep in mind... do we win this game?     I think we probably do but it's not a guarantee.   

Even though size/post presence is our biggest weakness right now, I think we'll benefit most from having Branch at the point, some depth to keep us fresh,  and the continued development of Amir and Dom.    Those things combined, plus the freshmen "bigs".. that makes us an NCAA team.  But the size we're bringing in isn't "game-changing" talent in my opinion.  If that makes sense.

I think Obekpa is getting better coaching than Gift had at Erie.  Also another body splits the time in half and we minimize the lapses that are caused by players playing too many minutes too soon.

I didn't make the prediction that WASJU did.  Just saying if we get the big man, nobody leaves, yes we havent heard of a shooter but according to WASJU's equation it should work then.

Quote from: we are sju on January 28, 2012, 04:30:20 PM

Quote from: Dave on January 28, 2012, 04:24:07 PM

Moe isn't leaving unless he guaranteed to be lotto pick. This years class is stacked.

Next year he'll have a deep run in the tourney and make himself about 5 more million dollars. This really isn't a debate.

If he was on a better team I think he would have a shot to be a lottery pick this season. As it is I think he would go in the 20's. He is better than both Sealy and Artest at this point. Needs to refine his jumper and be more assertive, but the sky is the limit. I have no inside info at all but If I were laying odds  I say 50/50.

Did you see Sealy play?

Quote from: we are sju on January 28, 2012, 04:30:20 PM

Quote from: Dave on January 28, 2012, 04:24:07 PM

Moe isn't leaving unless he guaranteed to be lotto pick. This years class is stacked.

Next year he'll have a deep run in the tourney and make himself about 5 more million dollars. This really isn't a debate.

If he was on a better team I think he would have a shot to be a lottery pick this season. As it is I think he would go in the 20's. He is better than both Sealy and Artest at this point. Needs to refine his jumper and be more assertive, but the sky is the limit. I have no inside info at all but If I were laying odds  I say 50/50.

Did you see Sealy play?

Yes why?
As a freshman Harkless was better!
Sealy was great, nothing against him. Harkless is more talented though.
Malik also was the 2nd most improved player from Frosh to Soph I have seen at SJU. Artest being the first. And I am not saying that if Harkless stayed 4 seasons he would be better than Malik turned out. But as a frosh I am saying Harkless is better.

I'd love to see this group play together for 2 more years . Then let Moe go. Guarantee we'd be Final Four. Might be anyway but I want this group to win it.

Moe isn't leaving unless he guaranteed to be lotto pick. This years class is stacked.

Next year he'll have a deep run in the tourney and make himself about 5 more million dollars. This really isn't a debate.

If he keeps playing like today he could climb quite a bit between now and the end of the year.  I could see him leap frogging a player like Terrence Jones on a draft board.  I hope we get year 2 out of him.  The kid is special.

Quote from: Dave on January 28, 2012, 04:24:07 PM

Moe isn't leaving unless he guaranteed to be lotto pick. This years class is stacked.

Next year he'll have a deep run in the tourney and make himself about 5 more million dollars. This really isn't a debate.

If he was on a better team I think he would have a shot to be a lottery pick this season. As it is I think he would go in the 20's. He is better than both Sealy and Artest at this point. Needs to refine his jumper and be more assertive, but the sky is the limit. I have no inside info at all but If I were laying odds  I say 50/50.

If Mo were on a better team there are games this year in which he gets his ass sat. He's a talent, buy why take a chance on a kid that don't play hard all the time? I like Mo, and figure with the help of the staff he'll get this straightened out. 

how can you say moe doesn't play hard all the time? The kid is 17-18 and just learning what it takes to play night in and night out against top talent.  Not only is the kid talented but a good character kid.  if he looks down or not trying it is prob cause he is learning how good he is and when things don't go his way he gets dejected.  However he is def not a guy who does not work hard all the time.   I am not saying he should leave this year but that is more on the physical aspect not talent.  Let's say he does want to leave and he goes late in first round.  Yeah maybe he sits for a year but this kid will be drafted by a team who has enough talent where he can mature on the NBA level.   Like Charles Barkley said(although not my fav person) where u get drafted is not what's gonna make u rich or set for life it's how you perform when your there.  if he can grow physically and mentally on the NBA level kid is gonna have a long and prosperous career.   Selfishly I want him here winning big east tourneys and final fours but if with right guidance if the ones with experience feel if time is now then he should go.

If Mo were on a better team there are games this year in which he gets his ass sat. He's a talent, buy why take a chance on a kid that don't play hard all the time? I like Mo, and figure with the help of the staff he'll get this straightened out. 

Huh

He's playing 35mpg out of position. What more do you want from him? One of his kidneys?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-kids-grow-a-article-1.1013532

Harkless scored 30 points and grabbed 13 rebounds in the Red Storm’s 83-76 loss to eighth-ranked Duke at Cameron Indoor Stadium. His brilliant individual performance prompted the Blue Devils’ Hall of Fame coach Mike Krzyzewski to suggest Harkless was “as good as any freshman in the country.”

If Coach K says so, thats good enough for me.

I bet Lenn Robbins is going to write some suggestive piece that Moe might go pro after this year. He was fishing for a quote from Coach K about it.

I bet Lenn Robbins is going to write some suggestive piece that Moe might go pro after this year. He was fishing for a quote from Coach K about it.

Moe is a smrt kid and will stay another year. He doesn't want to fail in the league. I think Nate is right. Robbins looking for a story.

Quote from: we are sju on January 28, 2012, 04:30:20 PM

Quote from: Dave on January 28, 2012, 04:24:07 PM

Moe isn't leaving unless he guaranteed to be lotto pick. This years class is stacked.

Next year he'll have a deep run in the tourney and make himself about 5 more million dollars. This really isn't a debate.

If he was on a better team I think he would have a shot to be a lottery pick this season. As it is I think he would go in the 20's. He is better than both Sealy and Artest at this point. Needs to refine his jumper and be more assertive, but the sky is the limit. I have no inside info at all but If I were laying odds  I say 50/50.

If Mo were on a better team there are games this year in which he gets his ass sat. He's a talent, buy why take a chance on a kid that don't play hard all the time? I like Mo, and figure with the help of the staff he'll get this straightened out. 

I will ignore the obvious about this ridiculous post and just comment on one point. Harkless is a very good basketball player. He is not a good enough shooter at this point to be able to take over every game. If his shot is not falling he does not look to keep shooting. I think that is why some misinformed think he does not play hard every game or coasts. One thing I noticed was Moe's reaction as soon as the game was over. Kid just scored 30 at Duke, kept his team from being blown out and as the horn sounded his slammed the ball to the court in frustration with the loss. I sincerly hope he stays, but games like these I do get worried. Would love to see him play another year here with better talent.

We have read several times that NY players are overrated. Look at Harkless.

Quote from: jr49 on January 28, 2012, 07:58:51 PM

If Mo were on a better team there are games this year in which he gets his ass sat. He's a talent, buy why take a chance on a kid that don't play hard all the time? I like Mo, and figure with the help of the staff he'll get this straightened out. 

Huh

He's playing 35mpg out of position. What more do you want from him? One of his kidneys?

Ok, what I said was wrong. I apologize to Mo and the board.