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Moon Mullen

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #20 on: February 21, 2012, 10:22:16 PM »
Sorry to the every kid gets a trophy generation, but the record overwhelming says no post season tournament. 
Go to bed with your trophy from youth league and dream of next year.
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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #21 on: February 22, 2012, 11:12:37 AM »
Question?------Are we allowed to practice after our last game?


If not then we should definitely play in any postseason tourney.  If only for the experience and ability to practice more.

This team is finally playing cohesively, let's build on it.
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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #22 on: February 22, 2012, 02:30:24 PM »
Quote from: Moon Mullin on February 21, 2012, 10:22:16 PM
Sorry to the every kid gets a trophy generation, but the record overwhelming says no post season tournament. 
Go to bed with your trophy from youth league and dream of next year.

I'd agree with you if the roster was made up of juniors and seniors.  Having these kids get used to elimination games and tournament formats would be very valuable.  I think the value, especially in the BET, increases exponentially after the first round.  That quick turnaround against a team from the top half of the league is big time.  Plus, I'd like to see 3'Angelo get to 80 treys made this year!
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carmineabbatiello

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #23 on: February 22, 2012, 02:43:29 PM »
No self-respecting team should accept any bid lower than the NIT.  Put away the basketballs and let them do some schoolwork.
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TONYD3

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #24 on: February 22, 2012, 05:24:30 PM »
Quote from: Marillac on February 22, 2012, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: Moon Mullin on February 21, 2012, 10:22:16 PM
Sorry to the every kid gets a trophy generation, but the record overwhelming says no post season tournament. 
Go to bed with your trophy from youth league and dream of next year.

I'd agree with you if the roster was made up of juniors and seniors.  Having these kids get used to elimination games and
tournament formats would be very valuable.  I think the value, especially in the BET, increases exponentially after the first round.  That quick turnaround against a team from the top half of the league is big time.  Plus, I'd like to see 3'Angelo get to 80 treys made this year!

Agree the more games we play The better. Also would like to end the year on a high note.
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desco80

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #25 on: February 22, 2012, 06:01:12 PM »
Quote from: Moon Mullin on February 21, 2012, 10:22:16 PM
Sorry to the every kid gets a trophy generation, but the record overwhelming says no post season tournament. 
Go to bed with your trophy from youth league and dream of next year.

Guys, he wasn't saying we shouldn't goto a postseason tourny, he says we won't make one.   I tend to agree.  They may not have official rules demanding a team be .500, but in practice none of the tournys have accepted many teams below that. 
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Lapchick65

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2012, 09:38:00 PM »
Win our last two games and our first two rounds in the BE tourney and we are at .500.  Then we are in the NIT for sure.

When we won the NIT with Hatten the school didn't even celebrate the victory.  No pep rally or anything.  It will mean something for these guys though, as the momentum will go into next season.
« Last Edit: February 25, 2012, 09:39:44 PM by Lapchick65 »
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LJSA

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2012, 10:00:10 PM »
At this point, I'm assuming we are going to get the automatic bid to the big dance. I'll worry about anything short of that at the appropriate time.
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Lapchick1

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2012, 10:13:56 PM »
CBI & CIT perhaps (yes) whatever those tournaments are and how good could they be if they're accepting sub-.500 teams to play in it?  (head-scratcher)

I was referring to the NIT as being a (no way).

Actually this team has shown a lot of heart all year long, and recently has secured an impressive string of victories considering the fact that there's only half a roster out there playing (due to academic casualties, de-commiments & transfers), and there's no true-1/PG or true-Center on this team and how little experienced they are plus no head coach all season long.

[QUESTION]:  Where are the 4-6 recruits that are needed to fill the St. John's roster in order to total 12-13 scholarship players all coming from over the next 4 months?  I ask that because Lavin (who I feel bad for and admire) said that he expected another good class in the topic that was just posted this evening on this board about 20 minutes ago.
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Lapchick65

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2012, 10:21:39 PM »
I agree with LJSA, an automatic bid would be fine, one that might put Linsanity on the backburner for a day or two.  As to what my brethren Lapchick1 refers to, the stellar recruits Lavin is referring to, leaving the world wondering, these are no doubt the additions of Nerlens Noel and Shabazz Muhammad, as well as an under-the-radar Eastern European 7-footer.
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crgreen

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #30 on: February 26, 2012, 03:34:36 AM »
Quote from: Lapchick1 on February 25, 2012, 10:13:56 PM
CBI & CIT perhaps (yes) whatever those tournaments are and how good could they be if they're accepting sub-.500 teams to play in it?  (head-scratcher)

I was referring to the NIT as being a (no way).

Actually this team has shown a lot of heart all year long, and recently has secured an impressive string of victories considering the fact that there's only half a roster out there playing (due to academic casualties, de-commiments & transfers), and there's no true-1/PG or true-Center on this team and how little experienced they are plus no head coach all season long.

[QUESTION]:  Where are the 4-6 recruits that are needed to fill the St. John's roster in order to total 12-13 scholarship players all coming from over the next 4 months?  I ask that because Lavin (who I feel bad for and admire) said that he expected another good class in the topic that was just posted this evening on this board about 20 minutes ago.

28 players higher ranked than Amir are still out there....As far as I can tell, only 3 of the top 20 Jucos has declared.  Plenty of kids out there at the (perceived) level of a Phil Greene (as many as another 50 between where Amir and Phil were rated for last years class.  And we've already added Branch, who was a top 50 recruit.  So we've got 1 of 4 already, and the talent pool is still over 100 strong for those final 3 pieces.
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bball_fan

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2012, 04:50:26 PM »
Were not out of NIT contention yet! STJ was 17-15 when we last made the NIT and we are 13-16 now. So judging by previous standards it would seem if we can reach 17 wins we should be in. that would require wins vs pitt and rutgers and 2 BET wins. its improbable but certainly not impossible. as history has proven, anything is possible in the big east, as well as college bball in general. Also NIT people might take into account the unique situation st johns is in this year. Having said that, cbi will probably be more likely and ANY postseason invitation to st johns should be and will be gladly accepted!
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JohnnyJungle

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2012, 08:49:02 PM »
I kind of hope that St. John's doesn't participate in any post season.

1. Give the kids rest and injury prevention
2. Make them want to come back hungry to play in post season next year
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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2012, 08:59:45 PM »
Quote from: crgreen on February 26, 2012, 03:34:36 AM
Quote from: Lapchick1 on February 25, 2012, 10:13:56 PM
CBI & CIT perhaps (yes) whatever those tournaments are and how good could they be if they're accepting sub-.500 teams to play in it?  (head-scratcher)

I was referring to the NIT as being a (no way).

Actually this team has shown a lot of heart all year long, and recently has secured an impressive string of victories considering the fact that there's only half a roster out there playing (due to academic casualties, de-commiments & transfers), and there's no true-1/PG or true-Center on this team and how little experienced they are plus no head coach all season long.

[QUESTION]:  Where are the 4-6 recruits that are needed to fill the St. John's roster in order to total 12-13 scholarship players all coming from over the next 4 months?  I ask that because Lavin (who I feel bad for and admire) said that he expected another good class in the topic that was just posted this evening on this board about 20 minutes ago.

28 players higher ranked than Amir are still out there....As far as I can tell, only 3 of the top 20 Jucos has declared.  Plenty of kids out there at the (perceived) level of a Phil Greene (as many as another 50 between where Amir and Phil were rated for last years class.  And we've already added Branch, who was a top 50 recruit.  So we've got 1 of 4 already, and the talent pool is still over 100 strong for those final 3 pieces.

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desco80

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2012, 09:07:59 PM »
Quote from: crgreen on February 26, 2012, 03:34:36 AM
Quote from: Lapchick1 on February 25, 2012, 10:13:56 PM
CBI & CIT perhaps (yes) whatever those tournaments are and how good could they be if they're accepting sub-.500 teams to play in it?  (head-scratcher)

I was referring to the NIT as being a (no way).

Actually this team has shown a lot of heart all year long, and recently has secured an impressive string of victories considering the fact that there's only half a roster out there playing (due to academic casualties, de-commiments & transfers), and there's no true-1/PG or true-Center on this team and how little experienced they are plus no head coach all season long.

[QUESTION]:  Where are the 4-6 recruits that are needed to fill the St. John's roster in order to total 12-13 scholarship players all coming from over the next 4 months?  I ask that because Lavin (who I feel bad for and admire) said that he expected another good class in the topic that was just posted this evening on this board about 20 minutes ago.

28 players higher ranked than Amir are still out there....As far as I can tell, only 3 of the top 20 Jucos has declared.  Plenty of kids out there at the (perceived) level of a Phil Greene (as many as another 50 between where Amir and Phil were rated for last years class.  And we've already added Branch, who was a top 50 recruit.  So we've got 1 of 4 already, and the talent pool is still over 100 strong for those final 3 pieces.

I count 9 guys on the ESPN100, maybe scout or rivals is different, is that where you're getting that info from cr?
I think you are overestimating a little the number of highly touted recruits still available.   That's not to say Lavin can't find someone who's flying under the radar, but the the recruits the "experts" like, are generally taken.  I think that's fair to say. 

JUCO recruits, I wouldn't know.  But it's my understanding JUCO rankings are far less reliable.   If for no other reason than there's less of an industry paying for that type of info.   And many of the top JUCOs aren't playing in showcase games where scouting services can see all of them at once. 
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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2012, 12:11:37 AM »
Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 22, 2012, 02:43:29 PM
No self-respecting team should accept any bid lower than the NIT.  Put away the basketballs and let them do some schoolwork.

Since when did that become a rule? This CBI tournament has only been around for 3 years. Already we are up on our high horse over it. Everyone on these boards understands that this is a rebuilding year.

So, you get your CBI bid, and you say thank you very much, we'll gladly accept.

Absolutely no reason not to play more games.
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crgreen

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #36 on: February 27, 2012, 05:57:52 AM »
Quote from: Poison on February 27, 2012, 12:11:37 AM
Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 22, 2012, 02:43:29 PM
No self-respecting team should accept any bid lower than the NIT.  Put away the basketballs and let them do some schoolwork.

Since when did that become a rule? This CBI tournament has only been around for 3 years. Already we are up on our high horse over it. Everyone on these boards understands that this is a rebuilding year.

So, you get your CBI bid, and you say thank you very much, we'll gladly accept.

Absolutely no reason not to play more games.

And at the end of a 4 year career, wouldn't you hate if say, Dom ended up 2 steals short of the school record, or Harrison 15 pts short of the scoring record (wishful thinking on HIS 4 years, I'm afraid - but I hope you get the point).   These kids deserve to play every game they possibly can.  A college career is SO finite.   For my Bruins, Jason Kapono ended his UCLA career TIED for 3rd all time scorer behind MacLean and Alcindor.   Tied with Reggie Miller.   Just one more game in his 4 years was all that was needed...
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carmineabbatiello

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2012, 03:14:28 PM »
Quote from: Poison on February 27, 2012, 12:11:37 AM
Quote from: carmineabbatiello on February 22, 2012, 02:43:29 PM
No self-respecting team should accept any bid lower than the NIT.  Put away the basketballs and let them do some schoolwork.

Since when did that become a rule? This CBI tournament has only been around for 3 years. Already we are up on our high horse over it. Everyone on these boards understands that this is a rebuilding year.

So, you get your CBI bid, and you say thank you very much, we'll gladly accept.

Absolutely no reason not to play more games.

The biggest reason (not the only) why I don't want us to play in any tournament that begins with a "C" is because the college basketball season is absolutely perfect as is and should not be tinkered with at all costs.

A perfectly ordered sequence of events.  Simple and elagant:

- Midnight madness
- An exhibition game or 2 against Marathon Oil, the Globtrotters, the Judah Ben Macabees, or a D2 or D3 team.
- An early season tournament at an interesting locale.
- Out of conference season.
- Conference Season
- Conference Tournament
- If lucky enough, selection into one of the two acceptable tournaments that beging with the letter "N": 

One; the greatest American sporting event other than the Super Bowl that is so huge that it has middle age alums everywhere pulling out that faded college sweater now 4 sizes too small and moms and secretaries that don't know a 3 second call from a backcourt violation filling out office brackets based solely on the names they like such as Oral Roberts, Prarie View and Quinnipac. 

The other;  a venerable and respected post-season tournament that old timers will tell you once actually was the marquee tournament of the two prior to the infamous Nyc based college betting scandals that still concludes to this day at the WMFA.

I didn't like it when they expanded the field from 32 to 64 to 65 to 68 and I certainly don't like new absolutely meaningless post-season tournaments designed I quess solely for some added ticket and travel revenue, bad cable TV programming and additional betting options for the bookies to make more money on?

It's not by accident that my favorite sports are college basketball (30 some odd games) and pro football (16 to 19 games).  While my most hated is baseball (162 to 180 games), with pro basketball and pro hockey somewhere in between (82 to 100 games).  And I didn't even bother to include the ridiulous exhibition season these sports saddle their poor seat license paying season suckers...er...ticket holders with.

Can't you see that less is actually more?
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redstorm212

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #38 on: February 27, 2012, 03:29:14 PM »
It's really not out of the question we could be considered for an NIT bid. The way we're playing right now, am I crazy to think we could beat Pitt and Rutgers, then maybe get matched up with a team like Villanova in the BET? If we finished .500 with 8 BE wins, I say we at least get considered. Not saying it's likely, but definitely a chance.
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LJSA

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Re: Postseason Play
« Reply #39 on: February 27, 2012, 04:35:23 PM »
Quote from: redstorm212 on February 27, 2012, 03:29:14 PM
It's really not out of the question we could be considered for an NIT bid. The way we're playing right now, am I crazy to think we could beat Pitt and Rutgers, then maybe get matched up with a team like Villanova in the BET? If we finished .500 with 8 BE wins, I say we at least get considered. Not saying it's likely, but definitely a chance.

I think we need to get to the BET championship game to make the NIT. And if we get that far, we may as well win the game and make the big dance.
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