The age old debate

They should go to college for 4 years, and if they don't like it and they skip class Bobby Knight will personally wake you up in the morning and drag your lazy ass to class by the ear. Then, when you bust in the league, you won't become a homeless crackhead.

I like the 2-3 year rule.  It will help everyone involved, IMO.  However, in order for the NBAPA to agree to that, they should INSIST on a higher rookie salary scale.  If the players are coming out more prepared, they deserve to be better compensated.   Something like thr NFL system, in all respects, would work great, IMO.  Guys who dont want to go to college can go to europe for a few years, or as cuban suggests, let them play in the NBDL with no NBA team allegiance.

A slight twist I have, is let them declare whenever they want, but until 3 years out of hs, or 21, if they enter the NBA draft they are REQUIRED to play in the NBDL, and their rookie contract would last the normal time plus  until 21 while in the NBDL.  That way, anyone wanting to declare bc he cant go to college or college isnt right for him, can declare, he just cant play in the NBA yet.   Personally I like that better than allowing teams to draft guys who are remaining in college and retaining their rights. 

I am glad you named the thread "The age old debate" because it all revolves around colleges losing money & Race. If you Polled random people through out the country and asked about the sports age limit I would put money up that more Caucasians would want players to stay in college as long as possible. I just find it funny Republicans who shift funds to the rich leaving inner city areas where most of the basketball talent comes from, with terrible public schools all of sudden care about their college education.

If you look at Rubio he went pro at 14 you think people were like he needs education , he is lazy or he is not physically ready.This wouldn't be a debate if the majority of the top college athletes who played in sports generate which generated the most money(Basketball & Football)were Caucasian.

For every High School player Robert Swift there is a 4 year college athlete like Michael Olowokandi. Just Look at Dwight Vs Okafor debate. I won't lie I said the Magic are dum if they take Howard over  Okafor even bet money to a friend he was going to have a better career! Boy was I wrong, but I was brainwashed by the media since I was a kid watching Kemp , they used to say HS kids are so raw it is a terrible idea.Nevertheless , I took it upon myself looking at the NBA draft honing in on 4 year Mcd-All Americans/Jordan Classic players Vs High School players and there is zero evidence that college made them better. Some of those 4yr  college players numbers actually went down & weren't even drafted.

Especially in the economy today there should be no debate with a Bachelors being equivalent to a high school diploma in the 80s

Kahnight....you kind of made the point for your adversaries.  A bachelors degree today IS like a high school diploma in the 80s.  So any kids who go to thr NBA after 1 year, and fail, are totally screwed, because they never got that bachelors...whereas in the 80s and 90s, the high school diploma by itself was worth more if thats all they had to fall back onto. 

The other major difference from the 80s is that there are viable leagues in europe now where kids could earn a lot of money from their 18 to 21 years.  Aint such a bad option, and kids that dont want to go to college should definitely utilize it.  Thr NBA is less of a monopoly now because of increased competition, exposure, numberof teams, and salaries in europe. 

I am glad you named the thread "The age old debate" because it all revolves around colleges losing money & Race. If you Polled random people through out the country and asked about the sports age limit I would put money up that more Caucasians would want players to stay in college as long as possible. I just find it funny Republicans who shift funds to the rich leaving inner city areas where most of the basketball talent comes from, with terrible public schools all of sudden care about their college education.

If you look at Rubio he went pro at 14 you think people were like he needs education , he is lazy or he is not physically ready.This wouldn't be a debate if the majority of the top college athletes who played in sports generate which generated the most money(Basketball & Football)were Caucasian.

For every High School player Robert Swift there is a 4 year college athlete like Michael Olowokandi. Just Look at Dwight Vs Okafor debate. I won't lie I said the Magic are dum if they take Howard over  Okafor even bet money to a friend he was going to have a better career! Boy was I wrong, but I was brainwashed by the media since I was a kid watching Kemp , they used to say HS kids are so raw it is a terrible idea.Nevertheless , I took it upon myself looking at the NBA draft honing in on 4 year Mcd-All Americans/Jordan Classic players Vs High School players and there is zero evidence that college made them better. Some of those 4yr  college players numbers actually went down & weren't even drafted.

Especially in the economy today there should be no debate with a Bachelors being equivalent to a high school diploma in the 80s

Quote from: Choz4Life on April 05, 2012, 10:12:31 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 05, 2012, 09:00:25 PM

If it aint broke, dont fix it

It broke Baldi.

How so?

Guys that would never had a chance to go to college , get it all paid for. Guys like me take out huge loans and come out of college in huge debt

And don't even graduate.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 05, 2012, 10:15:29 PM

Quote from: Choz4Life on April 05, 2012, 10:12:31 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 05, 2012, 09:00:25 PM

If it aint broke, dont fix it

It broke Baldi.

How so?

Guys that would never had a chance to go to college , get it all paid for. Guys like me take out huge loans and come out of college in huge debt

And don't even graduate.

Yup. Sallie Mae funded a 4 year party for me

Quote from: Celtics11 on April 06, 2012, 04:19:12 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 05, 2012, 10:15:29 PM

Quote from: Choz4Life on April 05, 2012, 10:12:31 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 05, 2012, 09:00:25 PM

If it aint broke, dont fix it

It broke Baldi.

How so?

Guys that would never had a chance to go to college , get it all paid for. Guys like me take out huge loans and come out of college in huge debt

And don't even graduate.

Yup. Sallie Mae funded a 4 year party for me

Can picture you as the Belushi character in Animal House but only slightly crazier.

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 06, 2012, 04:21:17 PM

Quote from: Celtics11 on April 06, 2012, 04:19:12 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 05, 2012, 10:15:29 PM

Quote from: Choz4Life on April 05, 2012, 10:12:31 PM

Quote from: Marco Baldi on April 05, 2012, 09:00:25 PM

If it aint broke, dont fix it

It broke Baldi.

How so?

Guys that would never had a chance to go to college , get it all paid for. Guys like me take out huge loans and come out of college in huge debt

And don't even graduate.

Yup. Sallie Mae funded a 4 year party for me

Can picture you as the Belushi character in Animal House but only slightly crazier.

Unfortunately, youre not too far off

 Belushi had better grades....and hygiene.

 High schoolers should be allowed to enter the draft. End of story.

Belushi had better grades....and hygiene.

 High schoolers should be allowed to enter the draft. End of story.

Senator Belushi to you boo. Blutarski got the hot girl in the end

You are right yankcranker. I just feel its wrong that they want to profit more off the kids by making anthony Davis play 2 more years and boost sales of apparells and tv rights while the kids get........

OK, but the NCAA has no say on how long, or if at all, top players play college ball.  That is dictated by the NBA collective bargaining agreement and trust me, they don't care what the NCAA wants.  The guys being quoted about changing the rules who can actually do something about it are NBA owners and executives.  College coaches, administrators and announcers can spout their opinion all they want but as the Rock used to say, it doesn't matter what they think.  They are spectators in the process.

High schoolers should be allowed to enter the draft. End of story.

I will politely disagree. The NBA is a business and has set its guidelines for the business after extensive negotiations with the NBA Players Association.

If McDonalds sets corporate policy that all new hires must have at least an associates degree to work there, is that ok.?

Kids should be able to go whenever they want to.  If Mr. Cuban doesn't like high schoolers or one-and-dones coming into the league, then he should stop drafting them.

Kids should be able to go whenever they want to.  If Mr. Cuban doesn't like high schoolers or one-and-dones coming into the league, then he should stop drafting them.

Its not like the kids don't have options, they do. The NBA is not a publiuc entity and the people that run the league have the right to run their business in the fashion they deem best for their league.

Kids should be able to go whenever they want to.  If Mr. Cuban doesn't like high schoolers or one-and-dones coming into the league, then he should stop drafting them.

Its not like the kids don't have options, they do. The NBA is not a publiuc entity and the people that run the league have the right to run their business in the fashion they deem best for their league.

The NCAA controls when baseball players and football players are drafted, why not basketball. I personally think it should be 3 years removed from high school or 21 years old.

Kids should be able to go whenever they want to.  If Mr. Cuban doesn't like high schoolers or one-and-dones coming into the league, then he should stop drafting them.

Its not like the kids don't have options, they do. The NBA is not a publiuc entity and the people that run the league have the right to run their business in the fashion they deem best for their league.

Agreed

The NBA is a business and has set its guidelines for the business after extensive negotiations with the NBA Players Association.

If McDonalds sets corporate policy that all new hires must have at least an associates degree to work there, is that ok.?

Stupid analogy. McDonalds isn't a monopoly, the NBA is. Would be fry cooks could work at Burger King or White Castle if McDonalds refused to hire them. Would be professional basketball players have to leave the country to make even vaguely commensurate money.

Stupid analogy. McDonalds isn't a monopoly, the NBA is.

You can call my analogy stupid, you are entitled to your opinion but I know you understand the point I am making.

The NBA, as a private business, is more then entitled to set the guidlenes for working in that business. If Goldman Sachs makes a decision to hire only people with an MBA, they are certainly entitled to make that decision. Is is wrong for Local 3 to require all its members to go thru the apprentice program in order to become full wage electricians.

The NBA, as a private business, is more then entitled to set the guidlenes for working in that business. If Goldman Sachs makes a decision to hire only people with an MBA, they are certainly entitled to make that decision.

Goldman Sachs can hire whoever they like, within constitutional and legal constraints. What they can't do is mandate who other companies hire. Neither could financial companies band together and mandate industrywide employment criteria.

Is is wrong for Local 3 to require all its members to go thru the apprentice program in order to become full wage electricians.

Labor unions with voluntary membership can set whatever criteria they like for their members. They could make all their members have handlebar mustaches and wear suspenders. That's irrelevant. Labor unions should not be permitted to set criteria for non members and should not be permitted to abrogate the liberty interests of non members. That's what's happening here. Anthony Davis would be playing in the NBA right now but for a CBA to which he is not a party. 

Anthony Davis would be playing in the NBA right now but for a CBA to which he is not a party. 

True, but Anthony Davis could have had opportunities to play professional basketball this past year if he decided not to attend Kentucky. They might not have been optimal options for him but he had options. Brandon Jennings & Jeremy Tyler choose to explore their options before the NBA.