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Re: Starting 5
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2012, 09:51:21 AM »
It's hard to name a position for Dom and Amir that doesn't put one of them on the bench.  DLo is a fixture at the two and I hope Greene gets every opportunity to get minutes at the point because he is an uber-athlete who makes us better.  Don't know anything about Branch but he doesn't deserve PT over Phil before he earns it. Jakarr is going to expect to be the next Moe (one and done) and Harrison is looking to go after this season so I hope we have a bag of players up our sleeve somewhere for the next couple of years.  I'll keep visiting the sites each morning looking for good news but I have to admit the the updates on Huggins boozing and the players we didn't get are starting to get to me.  Yeah patience, I know the deal but right now I'd settle for for news about an overweight 6'7" white kid who likes to bang.  Waiting for all these thoroughbreds to annoint us is frustrating.

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Re: Starting 5
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2012, 09:53:39 AM »
It's hard to name a position for Dom and Amir that doesn't put one of them on the bench.  DLo is a fixture at the two and I hope Greene gets every opportunity to get minutes at the point because he is an uber-athlete who makes us better.  Don't know anything about Branch but he doesn't deserve PT over Phil before he earns it. Jakarr is going to expect to be the next Moe (one and done) and Harrison is looking to go after this season so I hope we have a bag of players up our sleeve somewhere for the next couple of years.  I'll keep visiting the sites each morning looking for good news but I have to admit the the updates on Huggins boozing and the players we didn't get are starting to get to me.  Yeah patience, I know the deal but right now I'd settle for for news about an overweight 6'7" white kid who likes to bang.  Waiting for all these thoroughbreds to annoint us is frustrating.

Aww poor Bobre doesn't like it when there is no news.
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Re: Starting 5
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2012, 04:05:08 PM »
It's hard to name a position for Dom and Amir that doesn't put one of them on the bench.  DLo is a fixture at the two and I hope Greene gets every opportunity to get minutes at the point because he is an uber-athlete who makes us better.  Don't know anything about Branch but he doesn't deserve PT over Phil before he earns it. Jakarr is going to expect to be the next Moe (one and done) and Harrison is looking to go after this season so I hope we have a bag of players up our sleeve somewhere for the next couple of years.  I'll keep visiting the sites each morning looking for good news but I have to admit the the updates on Huggins boozing and the players we didn't get are starting to get to me.  Yeah patience, I know the deal but right now I'd settle for for news about an overweight 6'7" white kid who likes to bang.  Waiting for all these thoroughbreds to annoint us is frustrating.

Glad you aren't assembling this team. You've got us with an overweight 6'7" white guy and the sub-6-footer white guy.

Re: Starting 5
« Reply #43 on: April 18, 2012, 05:46:25 PM »
why does he have to be white?

Re: Starting 5
« Reply #44 on: April 18, 2012, 05:53:18 PM »
It's hard to name a position for Dom and Amir that doesn't put one of them on the bench.  DLo is a fixture at the two and I hope Greene gets every opportunity to get minutes at the point because he is an uber-athlete who makes us better.  Don't know anything about Branch but he doesn't deserve PT over Phil before he earns it. Jakarr is going to expect to be the next Moe (one and done) and Harrison is looking to go after this season so I hope we have a bag of players up our sleeve somewhere for the next couple of years.  I'll keep visiting the sites each morning looking for good news but I have to admit the the updates on Huggins boozing and the players we didn't get are starting to get to me.  Yeah patience, I know the deal but right now I'd settle for for news about an overweight 6'7" white kid who likes to bang.  Waiting for all these thoroughbreds to annoint us is frustrating.

Glad you aren't assembling this team. You've got us with an overweight 6'7" white guy and the sub-6-footer white guy.
I'll tell you one thing.  Playing with six kids is nonsense.  Another is that waiting till the bitter end for possible non-qualifiers or just plain rejections is a recipe for another losing season.  I'm very well aware of all the factors in play here but sometimes you have to relax your standards to fill your bench.  Rankings are just numbers and loads of kids come from nowhere come tourney time.  I just don't want to see a repeat of last year.  If Moe was brought along gradually instead of being thrown in the deep end of the pool he might even still be here and this post might not have come to mind.

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Re: Starting 5
« Reply #45 on: April 18, 2012, 06:01:03 PM »
It's hard to name a position for Dom and Amir that doesn't put one of them on the bench.  DLo is a fixture at the two and I hope Greene gets every opportunity to get minutes at the point because he is an uber-athlete who makes us better.  Don't know anything about Branch but he doesn't deserve PT over Phil before he earns it. Jakarr is going to expect to be the next Moe (one and done) and Harrison is looking to go after this season so I hope we have a bag of players up our sleeve somewhere for the next couple of years.  I'll keep visiting the sites each morning looking for good news but I have to admit the the updates on Huggins boozing and the players we didn't get are starting to get to me.  Yeah patience, I know the deal but right now I'd settle for for news about an overweight 6'7" white kid who likes to bang.  Waiting for all these thoroughbreds to annoint us is frustrating.

Glad you aren't assembling this team. You've got us with an overweight 6'7" white guy and the sub-6-footer white guy.
I'll tell you one thing.  Playing with six kids is nonsense.  Another is that waiting till the bitter end for possible non-qualifiers or just plain rejections is a recipe for another losing season.  I'm very well aware of all the factors in play here but sometimes you have to relax your standards to fill your bench.  Rankings are just numbers and loads of kids come from nowhere come tourney time.  I just don't want to see a repeat of last year.  If Moe was brought along gradually instead of being thrown in the deep end of the pool he might even still be here and this post might not have come to mind.

That is all true, but it will not be received well here. Lavin has to produce a great class for 12-13, and the clock is ticking.

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Re: Starting 5
« Reply #46 on: April 18, 2012, 07:01:43 PM »
I'd settle for...an overweight 6'7" white kid who likes to bang.

Wayyyyy toO much information, bobre.  Keep your personal life to yourself! 
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Re: Starting 5
« Reply #47 on: April 18, 2012, 07:11:00 PM »
I'd settle for...an overweight 6'7" white kid who likes to bang.

Wayyyyy toO much information, bobre.  Keep your personal life to yourself! 


Oh man this is killing me! Hahahahahaha I don't think I've laughed like his since the medium t-shirt thread!

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Re: Starting 5
« Reply #48 on: April 18, 2012, 07:48:27 PM »
   Save the crying until after the signing period. Jeez 

   Some of you act like this is a first time coach trying his hand at recruiting. He's one of the best there is. Let him finish the job before complaining about the process, or at least, learn about the process before complaining.

Re: Starting 5
« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2012, 10:44:30 PM »
I'd settle for...an overweight 6'7" white kid who likes to bang.

Wayyyyy toO much information, bobre.  Keep your personal life to yourself! 


Oh man this is killing me! Hahahahahaha I don't think I've laughed like his since the medium t-shirt thread!
I was so bummed to see that Dave/moderators killed that thread. I've been popping it in once in a while, and now it's back.  The beauty of the internet is such that....


Guess who's back? ha ha ha


Seriously, I cannot make this up - liny89's stated field for grad school - "Mental Health Care!"


Of course - Psych major
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Re: Starting 5
« Reply #50 on: April 18, 2012, 11:26:47 PM »
It's hard to name a position for Dom and Amir that doesn't put one of them on the bench.  DLo is a fixture at the two and I hope Greene gets every opportunity to get minutes at the point because he is an uber-athlete who makes us better.  Don't know anything about Branch but he doesn't deserve PT over Phil before he earns it. Jakarr is going to expect to be the next Moe (one and done) and Harrison is looking to go after this season so I hope we have a bag of players up our sleeve somewhere for the next couple of years.  I'll keep visiting the sites each morning looking for good news but I have to admit the the updates on Huggins boozing and the players we didn't get are starting to get to me.  Yeah patience, I know the deal but right now I'd settle for for news about an overweight 6'7" white kid who likes to bang.  Waiting for all these thoroughbreds to annoint us is frustrating.

Glad you aren't assembling this team. You've got us with an overweight 6'7" white guy and the sub-6-footer white guy.
I'll tell you one thing.  Playing with six kids is nonsense.  Another is that waiting till the bitter end for possible non-qualifiers or just plain rejections is a recipe for another losing season.  I'm very well aware of all the factors in play here but sometimes you have to relax your standards to fill your bench.  Rankings are just numbers and loads of kids come from nowhere come tourney time.  I just don't want to see a repeat of last year.  If Moe was brought along gradually instead of being thrown in the deep end of the pool he might even still be here and this post might not have come to mind.

I agree with a lot of what you said.  But I'm not sure about the rankings being just numbers.   I used to feel that way, and would throw my hands up and scream every time some no name scorched the nets in March.  But I'm really beginning to think the cream rises to the top.
Look at the sweet 16, I made this comment once before but 15 of the 16 teams that were there had top 100 talent at at least 3 or 4 of their starting five.   Ohio and DJ Cooper were the exception. 

There's such a microscope on HS ball these days I don't think as much talent slips through as it once did.
Some do, and others shine when surrounded by talent like Heslip on Baylor who can't play a lick of D, but he's on one of the longest, best rebounding and shot blocking teams around, so he can just run around screens all night.
But by and large we need the horses to compete.   
Obviously we can't be undermanned again, but I'd be very wary of just signing average bodies.   I'd be more inclined to hold out for the Chandler and Obekpas.   Within reason. 

Re: Starting 5
« Reply #51 on: April 19, 2012, 09:14:33 AM »
It's hard to name a position for Dom and Amir that doesn't put one of them on the bench.  DLo is a fixture at the two and I hope Greene gets every opportunity to get minutes at the point because he is an uber-athlete who makes us better.  Don't know anything about Branch but he doesn't deserve PT over Phil before he earns it. Jakarr is going to expect to be the next Moe (one and done) and Harrison is looking to go after this season so I hope we have a bag of players up our sleeve somewhere for the next couple of years.  I'll keep visiting the sites each morning looking for good news but I have to admit the the updates on Huggins boozing and the players we didn't get are starting to get to me.  Yeah patience, I know the deal but right now I'd settle for for news about an overweight 6'7" white kid who likes to bang.  Waiting for all these thoroughbreds to annoint us is frustrating.

Glad you aren't assembling this team. You've got us with an overweight 6'7" white guy and the sub-6-footer white guy.
I'll tell you one thing.  Playing with six kids is nonsense.  Another is that waiting till the bitter end for possible non-qualifiers or just plain rejections is a recipe for another losing season.  I'm very well aware of all the factors in play here but sometimes you have to relax your standards to fill your bench.  Rankings are just numbers and loads of kids come from nowhere come tourney time.  I just don't want to see a repeat of last year.  If Moe was brought along gradually instead of being thrown in the deep end of the pool he might even still be here and this post might not have come to mind.

I agree with a lot of what you said.  But I'm not sure about the rankings being just numbers.   I used to feel that way, and would throw my hands up and scream every time some no name scorched the nets in March.  But I'm really beginning to think the cream rises to the top.
Look at the sweet 16, I made this comment once before but 15 of the 16 teams that were there had top 100 talent at at least 3 or 4 of their starting five.   Ohio and DJ Cooper were the exception. 

There's such a microscope on HS ball these days I don't think as much talent slips through as it once did.
Some do, and others shine when surrounded by talent like Heslip on Baylor who can't play a lick of D, but he's on one of the longest, best rebounding and shot blocking teams around, so he can just run around screens all night.
But by and large we need the horses to compete.   
Obviously we can't be undermanned again, but I'd be very wary of just signing average bodies.   I'd be more inclined to hold out for the Chandler and Obekpas.   Within reason.
I agree that rankings serve a general purpose but it's still a team game.  It would be nice to be Kentucky and be able to withstand the loss of all your starters year to year but we're hardly in that position coming off a 13 win season and losing our top player.  Lavin's good but we've lost the momentum of our NCAA season and that's clearly hurt us. In retrospect losing Polee and kissing off Ron Roberts may have cost us a year with Moe.  Going into last season with Lindsey penciled in as the PG was also costly. I guess time will tell if his putrid shooting was an aberration. Thank God Greene was able to rise to the occasion and spare us further embarassment.  After playing with six we need some stability here.  If that means rolling the dice with a couple of under the radar types ala Evans or Horne I think we've got to think about it.  Like everyone else I hope Steve has some tricks up his sleeve but the longer we wait the harder it's going to be if things don't work out.  Most teams are stocked up at this point so I think we have reason to be concerned.  Another undermanned season would leave us behind the 8 ball unless we're able to compete better than last year and without Harkless I don't know about that.

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Re: Starting 5
« Reply #52 on: April 19, 2012, 09:49:48 AM »
It's hard to name a position for Dom and Amir that doesn't put one of them on the bench.  DLo is a fixture at the two and I hope Greene gets every opportunity to get minutes at the point because he is an uber-athlete who makes us better.  Don't know anything about Branch but he doesn't deserve PT over Phil before he earns it. Jakarr is going to expect to be the next Moe (one and done) and Harrison is looking to go after this season so I hope we have a bag of players up our sleeve somewhere for the next couple of years.  I'll keep visiting the sites each morning looking for good news but I have to admit the the updates on Huggins boozing and the players we didn't get are starting to get to me.  Yeah patience, I know the deal but right now I'd settle for for news about an overweight 6'7" white kid who likes to bang.  Waiting for all these thoroughbreds to annoint us is frustrating.

Glad you aren't assembling this team. You've got us with an overweight 6'7" white guy and the sub-6-footer white guy.
I'll tell you one thing.  Playing with six kids is nonsense.  Another is that waiting till the bitter end for possible non-qualifiers or just plain rejections is a recipe for another losing season.  I'm very well aware of all the factors in play here but sometimes you have to relax your standards to fill your bench.  Rankings are just numbers and loads of kids come from nowhere come tourney time.  I just don't want to see a repeat of last year.  If Moe was brought along gradually instead of being thrown in the deep end of the pool he might even still be here and this post might not have come to mind.

I agree with a lot of what you said.  But I'm not sure about the rankings being just numbers.   I used to feel that way, and would throw my hands up and scream every time some no name scorched the nets in March.  But I'm really beginning to think the cream rises to the top.
Look at the sweet 16, I made this comment once before but 15 of the 16 teams that were there had top 100 talent at at least 3 or 4 of their starting five.   Ohio and DJ Cooper were the exception. 

There's such a microscope on HS ball these days I don't think as much talent slips through as it once did.
Some do, and others shine when surrounded by talent like Heslip on Baylor who can't play a lick of D, but he's on one of the longest, best rebounding and shot blocking teams around, so he can just run around screens all night.
But by and large we need the horses to compete.   
Obviously we can't be undermanned again, but I'd be very wary of just signing average bodies.   I'd be more inclined to hold out for the Chandler and Obekpas.   Within reason.
I agree that rankings serve a general purpose but it's still a team game.  It would be nice to be Kentucky and be able to withstand the loss of all your starters year to year but we're hardly in that position coming off a 13 win season and losing our top player.  Lavin's good but we've lost the momentum of our NCAA season and that's clearly hurt us. In retrospect losing Polee and kissing off Ron Roberts may have cost us a year with Moe.  Going into last season with Lindsey penciled in as the PG was also costly. I guess time will tell if his putrid shooting was an aberration. Thank God Greene was able to rise to the occasion and spare us further embarassment.  After playing with six we need some stability here.  If that means rolling the dice with a couple of under the radar types ala Evans or Horne I think we've got to think about it.  Like everyone else I hope Steve has some tricks up his sleeve but the longer we wait the harder it's going to be if things don't work out.  Most teams are stocked up at this point so I think we have reason to be concerned.  Another undermanned season would leave us behind the 8 ball unless we're able to compete better than last year and without Harkless I don't know about that.

I know you know this but unfortunately we are still trying to get out from under the mess left by the 6 year tenure of the previous administration. That being said we have to recruit a team with enough top 100 players to be competitive and simultaneously fill out a roster to avoid the situation we encountered last year.

IMO, we are involved with enough top 100 kids to feel safe about the talent level of the kids who will sign. Our # 1 need is a couple of big men. Right now CO and Sanchez are still taking their trips. Let them complete that process. If they don't sign on immediately after that ( next week sometime) then we seriously need to move on. Hopefully by that time the situations of Chandler and our other prospects will have cleared up so we can feel confident of filling out our roster.

While this is not an ideal situation it should lessen each year until we totally get out of the mess left by Norm, Harrington, and their ardent supporters, led by oldfan. Think of this. If Norm had won 1 or 2 more games at the end, we'd still be hearing about how you can't fire a coach with 2-3 years left on his contract. How bad would that have been. So waiting another week is a day at the beach compared to what could have been.

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Re: Starting 5
« Reply #53 on: April 19, 2012, 10:46:13 AM »
It's hard to name a position for Dom and Amir that doesn't put one of them on the bench.  DLo is a fixture at the two and I hope Greene gets every opportunity to get minutes at the point because he is an uber-athlete who makes us better.  Don't know anything about Branch but he doesn't deserve PT over Phil before he earns it. Jakarr is going to expect to be the next Moe (one and done) and Harrison is looking to go after this season so I hope we have a bag of players up our sleeve somewhere for the next couple of years.  I'll keep visiting the sites each morning looking for good news but I have to admit the the updates on Huggins boozing and the players we didn't get are starting to get to me.  Yeah patience, I know the deal but right now I'd settle for for news about an overweight 6'7" white kid who likes to bang.  Waiting for all these thoroughbreds to annoint us is frustrating.

Glad you aren't assembling this team. You've got us with an overweight 6'7" white guy and the sub-6-footer white guy.
I'll tell you one thing.  Playing with six kids is nonsense.  Another is that waiting till the bitter end for possible non-qualifiers or just plain rejections is a recipe for another losing season.  I'm very well aware of all the factors in play here but sometimes you have to relax your standards to fill your bench.  Rankings are just numbers and loads of kids come from nowhere come tourney time.  I just don't want to see a repeat of last year.  If Moe was brought along gradually instead of being thrown in the deep end of the pool he might even still be here and this post might not have come to mind.

I agree with a lot of what you said.  But I'm not sure about the rankings being just numbers.   I used to feel that way, and would throw my hands up and scream every time some no name scorched the nets in March.  But I'm really beginning to think the cream rises to the top.
Look at the sweet 16, I made this comment once before but 15 of the 16 teams that were there had top 100 talent at at least 3 or 4 of their starting five.   Ohio and DJ Cooper were the exception. 

There's such a microscope on HS ball these days I don't think as much talent slips through as it once did.
Some do, and others shine when surrounded by talent like Heslip on Baylor who can't play a lick of D, but he's on one of the longest, best rebounding and shot blocking teams around, so he can just run around screens all night.
But by and large we need the horses to compete.   
Obviously we can't be undermanned again, but I'd be very wary of just signing average bodies.   I'd be more inclined to hold out for the Chandler and Obekpas.   Within reason.
I agree that rankings serve a general purpose but it's still a team game.  It would be nice to be Kentucky and be able to withstand the loss of all your starters year to year but we're hardly in that position coming off a 13 win season and losing our top player.  Lavin's good but we've lost the momentum of our NCAA season and that's clearly hurt us. In retrospect losing Polee and kissing off Ron Roberts may have cost us a year with Moe.  Going into last season with Lindsey penciled in as the PG was also costly. I guess time will tell if his putrid shooting was an aberration. Thank God Greene was able to rise to the occasion and spare us further embarassment.  After playing with six we need some stability here.  If that means rolling the dice with a couple of under the radar types ala Evans or Horne I think we've got to think about it.  Like everyone else I hope Steve has some tricks up his sleeve but the longer we wait the harder it's going to be if things don't work out.  Most teams are stocked up at this point so I think we have reason to be concerned.  Another undermanned season would leave us behind the 8 ball unless we're able to compete better than last year and without Harkless I don't know about that.

I know you know this but unfortunately we are still trying to get out from under the mess left by the 6 year tenure of the previous administration. That being said we have to recruit a team with enough top 100 players to be competitive and simultaneously fill out a roster to avoid the situation we encountered last year.

IMO, we are involved with enough top 100 kids to feel safe about the talent level of the kids who will sign. Our # 1 need is a couple of big men. Right now CO and Sanchez are still taking their trips. Let them complete that process. If they don't sign on immediately after that ( next week sometime) then we seriously need to move on. Hopefully by that time the situations of Chandler and our other prospects will have cleared up so we can feel confident of filling out our roster.

While this is not an ideal situation it should lessen each year until we totally get out of the mess left by Norm, Harrington, and their ardent supporters, led by oldfan. Think of this. If Norm had won 1 or 2 more games at the end, we'd still be hearing about how you can't fire a coach with 2-3 years left on his contract. How bad would that have been. So waiting another week is a day at the beach compared to what could have been.

As it now turns out he had to replace 13 ships in a time span of 18 months. Pretty difficult, yet people complain!

Re: Starting 5
« Reply #54 on: April 19, 2012, 10:48:02 AM »
It's hard to name a position for Dom and Amir that doesn't put one of them on the bench.  DLo is a fixture at the two and I hope Greene gets every opportunity to get minutes at the point because he is an uber-athlete who makes us better.  Don't know anything about Branch but he doesn't deserve PT over Phil before he earns it. Jakarr is going to expect to be the next Moe (one and done) and Harrison is looking to go after this season so I hope we have a bag of players up our sleeve somewhere for the next couple of years.  I'll keep visiting the sites each morning looking for good news but I have to admit the the updates on Huggins boozing and the players we didn't get are starting to get to me.  Yeah patience, I know the deal but right now I'd settle for for news about an overweight 6'7" white kid who likes to bang.  Waiting for all these thoroughbreds to annoint us is frustrating.

Glad you aren't assembling this team. You've got us with an overweight 6'7" white guy and the sub-6-footer white guy.
I'll tell you one thing.  Playing with six kids is nonsense.  Another is that waiting till the bitter end for possible non-qualifiers or just plain rejections is a recipe for another losing season.  I'm very well aware of all the factors in play here but sometimes you have to relax your standards to fill your bench.  Rankings are just numbers and loads of kids come from nowhere come tourney time.  I just don't want to see a repeat of last year.  If Moe was brought along gradually instead of being thrown in the deep end of the pool he might even still be here and this post might not have come to mind.

I agree with a lot of what you said.  But I'm not sure about the rankings being just numbers.   I used to feel that way, and would throw my hands up and scream every time some no name scorched the nets in March.  But I'm really beginning to think the cream rises to the top.
Look at the sweet 16, I made this comment once before but 15 of the 16 teams that were there had top 100 talent at at least 3 or 4 of their starting five.   Ohio and DJ Cooper were the exception. 

There's such a microscope on HS ball these days I don't think as much talent slips through as it once did.
Some do, and others shine when surrounded by talent like Heslip on Baylor who can't play a lick of D, but he's on one of the longest, best rebounding and shot blocking teams around, so he can just run around screens all night.
But by and large we need the horses to compete.   
Obviously we can't be undermanned again, but I'd be very wary of just signing average bodies.   I'd be more inclined to hold out for the Chandler and Obekpas.   Within reason.
I agree that rankings serve a general purpose but it's still a team game.  It would be nice to be Kentucky and be able to withstand the loss of all your starters year to year but we're hardly in that position coming off a 13 win season and losing our top player.  Lavin's good but we've lost the momentum of our NCAA season and that's clearly hurt us. In retrospect losing Polee and kissing off Ron Roberts may have cost us a year with Moe.  Going into last season with Lindsey penciled in as the PG was also costly. I guess time will tell if his putrid shooting was an aberration. Thank God Greene was able to rise to the occasion and spare us further embarassment.  After playing with six we need some stability here.  If that means rolling the dice with a couple of under the radar types ala Evans or Horne I think we've got to think about it.  Like everyone else I hope Steve has some tricks up his sleeve but the longer we wait the harder it's going to be if things don't work out.  Most teams are stocked up at this point so I think we have reason to be concerned.  Another undermanned season would leave us behind the 8 ball unless we're able to compete better than last year and without Harkless I don't know about that.

I know you know this but unfortunately we are still trying to get out from under the mess left by the 6 year tenure of the previous administration. That being said we have to recruit a team with enough top 100 players to be competitive and simultaneously fill out a roster to avoid the situation we encountered last year.

IMO, we are involved with enough top 100 kids to feel safe about the talent level of the kids who will sign. Our # 1 need is a couple of big men. Right now CO and Sanchez are still taking their trips. Let them complete that process. If they don't sign on immediately after that ( next week sometime) then we seriously need to move on. Hopefully by that time the situations of Chandler and our other prospects will have cleared up so we can feel confident of filling out our roster.

While this is not an ideal situation it should lessen each year until we totally get out of the mess left by Norm, Harrington, and their ardent supporters, led by oldfan. Think of this. If Norm had won 1 or 2 more games at the end, we'd still be hearing about how you can't fire a coach with 2-3 years left on his contract. How bad would that have been. So waiting another week is a day at the beach compared to what could have been.

I hear you and agree that anything's better than Norm.  God knows if he'd had the intelligence to switch Hardy to the point we might be moaning about him still.  His love affair with Boothe bought him a ticket out of town.  His loss, our gain.  My biggest concern is where do we go if we do have to move on?  Our biggest problem last year was the lack of a fallback position when the class blew out.  Point guard and center are pretty important spots and we paid the price after the fact.  I shudder to think what would have happened if Greene hadn't been able to step up.  We seem to have the point shored up but bigs are hard to come by at this late date.  I'd be a lot more comfortable to have somebody large regardless of ranking, in the fold as things unfold. Repetitious whining I know but history has a way of repeating at SJU.  I've already mentioned that the mid majors we play always seem to have serviceable bigs and just wonder where they were when we were scouting the position.  As always fingers crossed on Sanchez and Chandler but wondering if there are alternatives if necessary. 

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Re: Starting 5
« Reply #55 on: April 19, 2012, 10:53:24 AM »
It's hard to name a position for Dom and Amir that doesn't put one of them on the bench.  DLo is a fixture at the two and I hope Greene gets every opportunity to get minutes at the point because he is an uber-athlete who makes us better.  Don't know anything about Branch but he doesn't deserve PT over Phil before he earns it. Jakarr is going to expect to be the next Moe (one and done) and Harrison is looking to go after this season so I hope we have a bag of players up our sleeve somewhere for the next couple of years.  I'll keep visiting the sites each morning looking for good news but I have to admit the the updates on Huggins boozing and the players we didn't get are starting to get to me.  Yeah patience, I know the deal but right now I'd settle for for news about an overweight 6'7" white kid who likes to bang.  Waiting for all these thoroughbreds to annoint us is frustrating.

Glad you aren't assembling this team. You've got us with an overweight 6'7" white guy and the sub-6-footer white guy.
I'll tell you one thing.  Playing with six kids is nonsense.  Another is that waiting till the bitter end for possible non-qualifiers or just plain rejections is a recipe for another losing season.  I'm very well aware of all the factors in play here but sometimes you have to relax your standards to fill your bench.  Rankings are just numbers and loads of kids come from nowhere come tourney time.  I just don't want to see a repeat of last year.  If Moe was brought along gradually instead of being thrown in the deep end of the pool he might even still be here and this post might not have come to mind.

I agree with a lot of what you said.  But I'm not sure about the rankings being just numbers.   I used to feel that way, and would throw my hands up and scream every time some no name scorched the nets in March.  But I'm really beginning to think the cream rises to the top.
Look at the sweet 16, I made this comment once before but 15 of the 16 teams that were there had top 100 talent at at least 3 or 4 of their starting five.   Ohio and DJ Cooper were the exception. 

There's such a microscope on HS ball these days I don't think as much talent slips through as it once did.
Some do, and others shine when surrounded by talent like Heslip on Baylor who can't play a lick of D, but he's on one of the longest, best rebounding and shot blocking teams around, so he can just run around screens all night.
But by and large we need the horses to compete.   
Obviously we can't be undermanned again, but I'd be very wary of just signing average bodies.   I'd be more inclined to hold out for the Chandler and Obekpas.   Within reason.
I agree that rankings serve a general purpose but it's still a team game.  It would be nice to be Kentucky and be able to withstand the loss of all your starters year to year but we're hardly in that position coming off a 13 win season and losing our top player.  Lavin's good but we've lost the momentum of our NCAA season and that's clearly hurt us. In retrospect losing Polee and kissing off Ron Roberts may have cost us a year with Moe.  Going into last season with Lindsey penciled in as the PG was also costly. I guess time will tell if his putrid shooting was an aberration. Thank God Greene was able to rise to the occasion and spare us further embarassment.  After playing with six we need some stability here.  If that means rolling the dice with a couple of under the radar types ala Evans or Horne I think we've got to think about it.  Like everyone else I hope Steve has some tricks up his sleeve but the longer we wait the harder it's going to be if things don't work out.  Most teams are stocked up at this point so I think we have reason to be concerned.  Another undermanned season would leave us behind the 8 ball unless we're able to compete better than last year and without Harkless I don't know about that.

I know you know this but unfortunately we are still trying to get out from under the mess left by the 6 year tenure of the previous administration. That being said we have to recruit a team with enough top 100 players to be competitive and simultaneously fill out a roster to avoid the situation we encountered last year.

IMO, we are involved with enough top 100 kids to feel safe about the talent level of the kids who will sign. Our # 1 need is a couple of big men. Right now CO and Sanchez are still taking their trips. Let them complete that process. If they don't sign on immediately after that ( next week sometime) then we seriously need to move on. Hopefully by that time the situations of Chandler and our other prospects will have cleared up so we can feel confident of filling out our roster.

While this is not an ideal situation it should lessen each year until we totally get out of the mess left by Norm, Harrington, and their ardent supporters, led by oldfan. Think of this. If Norm had won 1 or 2 more games at the end, we'd still be hearing about how you can't fire a coach with 2-3 years left on his contract. How bad would that have been. So waiting another week is a day at the beach compared to what could have been.

I hear you and agree that anything's better than Norm.  God knows if he'd had the intelligence to switch Hardy to the point we might be moaning about him still.  His love affair with Boothe bought him a ticket out of town.  His loss, our gain.  My biggest concern is where do we go if we do have to move on?  Our biggest problem last year was the lack of a fallback position when the class blew out.  Point guard and center are pretty important spots and we paid the price after the fact.  I shudder to think what would have happened if Greene hadn't been able to step up.  We seem to have the point shored up but bigs are hard to come by at this late date.  I'd be a lot more comfortable to have somebody large regardless of ranking, in the fold as things unfold. Repetitious whining I know but history has a way of repeating at SJU.  I've already mentioned that the mid majors we play always seem to have serviceable bigs and just wonder where they were when we were scouting the position.  As always fingers crossed on Sanchez and Chandler but wondering if there are alternatives if necessary. 

And when he lands Sanchez and Chandler what will you find to complain about next?

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Re: Starting 5
« Reply #56 on: April 19, 2012, 10:58:28 AM »
Lavin better appear soon or we will be playing a ral game of clue. Who killed Bobre in the parlor?

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Re: Starting 5
« Reply #57 on: April 19, 2012, 11:50:40 AM »
Bobre's point shouldn't be dismissed.   It is late in the game.  And we don't have a big on the roster other than Gift.   

I don't think that's complaining.  It's concern.   And we should be concerned.   Again, we'll probably know a lot more in a week.   

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Re: Starting 5
« Reply #58 on: April 19, 2012, 11:53:06 AM »
Bobre's point shouldn't be dismissed.   It is late in the game.  And we don't have a big on the roster other than Gift.   

I don't think that's complaining.  It's concern.   And we should be concerned.   Again, we'll probably know a lot more in a week.
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I am concerned for sure but don't openly complain about it daily. Lavin is a great recruiter and got burned last year due to a number of factors, we have multiple big man options right now. Believe in him to get the team what they need.

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Re: Starting 5
« Reply #59 on: April 19, 2012, 11:53:17 AM »
Bobre's point shouldn't be dismissed.   It is late in the game.  And we don't have a big on the roster other than Gift.   

I don't think that's complaining.  It's concern.   And we should be concerned.   Again, we'll probably know a lot more in a week.   

Every point Bobre makes should be dismissed  :)

He is the same guy who complained days and posts on end saying we should have landed a point guard because there were so many out there. But when pressed numerous times could not provide one single name.
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