NYT on Amir and the Reds

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Quote from: Moose on April 30, 2012, 09:56:37 PM

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Amir is a class act and has been so from the beginning.  The kid is all heart.  He fought it out and perservered.  For all the kids that just want to skip college to play sports, there are very few Amir Garrett's who get a pro contract and still want to work hard, go to class and play a second sport.  Amir deserves all the good things that are coming to him.  He embodies not only the type of athlete I love, but embodies the type of work-ethic that SJU was built upon.  Amir not expecting anything from anybody.  A real grounded kid not afraid to work for what he wants.  I think he can be our starting SF this season.  And deserves big minutes regardless.  Kid can play and will only get better with improvement of his handle and jumpshot.

Quote from: crgreen on May 01, 2012, 12:43:47 AM

Quote from: Moose on April 30, 2012, 09:56:37 PM

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Amir is a class act and has been so from the beginning.  The kid is all heart.  He fought it out and perservered.  For all the kids that just want to skip college to play sports, there are very few Amir Garrett's who get a pro contract and still want to work hard, go to class and play a second sport.  Amir deserves all the good things that are coming to him.  He embodies not only the type of athlete I love, but embodies the type of work-ethic that SJU was built upon.  Amir not expecting anything from anybody.  A real grounded kid not afraid to work for what he wants.  I think he can be our starting SF this season.  And deserves big minutes regardless.  Kid can play and will only get better with improvement of his handle and jumpshot.

+1

What a great article on great young man!  I like how Kenny Lofton is giving Amir advice on pursuing both sports in college.  Contrary to Moose's opinion, I think positive press coverage like this (yes, even in an antiquated newspaper like the NY Times) is still invaluable to our program.   I would be surprised, however, if the statement about Amir not having a ship is accurate, but it would be nice to have two ships if true!

I would be surprised if heis paying his own way.  Are the Reds paying for it?  $1 million doesn't  go as far as it used to. And wasn't there a story about even if the reds paid he would still count against the scholarship count?

And like I've also said before, after prepping to get qualified it sure seems to me that he prefers basketball

During one of Amir's first games i remember the announcer saying the reds are picking up the tab for him.

Great article.  Very happy for Amir.  I hope he ends up being able to decide whether he wants to play in the league or the association in a few years!

I would be surprised if heis paying his own way.  Are the Reds paying for it?  $1 million doesn't  go as far as it used to. And wasn't there a story about even if the reds paid he would still count against the scholarship count?

The Reds are paying.

Quote from: Moose on April 30, 2012, 09:56:37 PM

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Maybe this is our answer on scholarships...

I don't believe it is the answer to scholarship problem.  I believe he counts towards our 13 and Reds are paying.  NCAA deducts a scholarship for those who are "pro" in one sport while remaining amateur in another and playing college sports

I don't believe it is the answer to scholarship problem.  I believe he counts towards our 13 and Reds are paying.  NCAA deducts a scholarship for those who are "pro" in one sport while remaining amateur in another and playing college sports

Roger that.

I don't believe it is the answer to scholarship problem.  I believe he counts towards our 13 and Reds are paying.  NCAA deducts a scholarship for those who are "pro" in one sport while remaining amateur in another and playing college sports

You are correct, some NCAA rule requires a two sport player who is a pro in one of them to have his scholarship paid but still counts against the school's scholarship limit. 

Anybody else find it strange that the article says he can't palm a basketball yet??

From some of the dunks I've seen him pull off, it would be impossible for him NOT to palm the ball.   

Plus the guy is 6'6, he would need to have freakishly small for that to be the case.

Anybody else find it strange that the article says he can't palm a basketball yet??

From some of the dunks I've seen him pull off, it would be impossible for him NOT to palm the ball.   

Plus the guy is 6'6, he would need to have freakishly small for that to be the case.

I guess he cradles it.  Burrell did that a lot, but I thought Amir was able to palm it from the tricks he pulls off.

Quote from: redslope on May 01, 2012, 10:29:01 AM

I don't believe it is the answer to scholarship problem.  I believe he counts towards our 13 and Reds are paying.  NCAA deducts a scholarship for those who are "pro" in one sport while remaining amateur in another and playing college sports

You are correct, some NCAA rule requires a two sport player who is a pro in one of them to have his scholarship paid but still counts against the school's scholarship limit.

Anyone know the specific rule?  Been looking and can't find it in the NCAA guidelines.    But it certainly makes sense.   For instance, Fred Wilpon is a Michigan Alumni - without such a rule, what's to stop the Mets from late round drafting 5-10 basketball prospects and paying their way to Ann Arbor?   Its a fine line, but the kind of elite athelets we're talking about (high D-1 hoops prospects) likely ARE good enuf to be stocking minor league baseball rosters.   Double bonus - BUY players for the old Alma Mater, AND free up scholies for additional players as well....

Yeah - rule makes sense...

Quote from: sju89tr on May 01, 2012, 10:38:36 AM

Quote from: redslope on May 01, 2012, 10:29:01 AM

I don't believe it is the answer to scholarship problem.  I believe he counts towards our 13 and Reds are paying.  NCAA deducts a scholarship for those who are "pro" in one sport while remaining amateur in another and playing college sports

You are correct, some NCAA rule requires a two sport player who is a pro in one of them to have his scholarship paid but still counts against the school's scholarship limit.

Anyone know the specific rule?  Been looking and can't find it in the NCAA guidelines.    But it certainly makes sense.   For instance, Fred Wilpon is a Michigan Alumni - without such a rule, what's to stop the Mets from late round drafting 5-10 basketball prospects and paying their way to Ann Arbor?   Its a fine line, but the kind of elite athelets we're talking about (high D-1 hoops prospects) likely ARE good enuf to be stocking minor league baseball rosters.   Double bonus - BUY players for the old Alma Mater, AND free up scholies for additional players as well....

Yeah - rule makes sense...

Exactly.

Jeremy Bloom was an example I think.  He played football at Colorado but minor league baseball.  The QB from Clemson also played baseball I think.  I think his name was Kyle Parker.  That might help your search

Quote from: crgreen on May 01, 2012, 12:22:58 PM

Quote from: sju89tr on May 01, 2012, 10:38:36 AM

Quote from: redslope on May 01, 2012, 10:29:01 AM

I don't believe it is the answer to scholarship problem.  I believe he counts towards our 13 and Reds are paying.  NCAA deducts a scholarship for those who are "pro" in one sport while remaining amateur in another and playing college sports

You are correct, some NCAA rule requires a two sport player who is a pro in one of them to have his scholarship paid but still counts against the school's scholarship limit.

Anyone know the specific rule?  Been looking and can't find it in the NCAA guidelines.    But it certainly makes sense.   For instance, Fred Wilpon is a Michigan Alumni - without such a rule, what's to stop the Mets from late round drafting 5-10 basketball prospects and paying their way to Ann Arbor?   Its a fine line, but the kind of elite athelets we're talking about (high D-1 hoops prospects) likely ARE good enuf to be stocking minor league baseball rosters.   Double bonus - BUY players for the old Alma Mater, AND free up scholies for additional players as well....

Yeah - rule makes sense...

Exactly.

Jeremy Bloom was an example I think.  He played football at Colorado but minor league baseball.  The QB from Clemson also played baseball I think.  I think his name was Kyle Parker.  That might help your search

I remember reading that Danny Ainge was probably the most successful at it, he played minor league baseball for 3 years while he was in college, where he ended up winning the Wooden or Naismith. 

Also, this wouldn't have occurred to me if the article came out a month ago, but being that the NFL draft was all over ESPN last week...

The article makes a point of noting Amir having a 32 inch vertical,  and our trainer even called him a physical freak.


For what it's worth, the WORST vertical jump by any CB, WR, or RB in the draft  was 31 inches.   I'm not making that up. 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine/_/id/92/sort/vertical

So, either they test the vertical jump differently, or Amir really isn't jumping that high.   

Also, this wouldn't have occurred to me if the article came out a month ago, but being that the NFL draft was all over ESPN last week...

The article makes a point of noting Amir having a 32 inch vertical,  and our trainer even called him a physical freak.


For what it's worth, the WORST vertical jump by any CB, WR, or RB in the draft  was 31 inches.   I'm not making that up. 

http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft/combine/_/id/92/sort/vertical

So, either they test the vertical jump differently, or Amir really isn't jumping that high.   

Yea surprised as well. Maybe football uses a step with their vertical testing, while amirs 32 inch is just from the stand still. I would think his would be higher