Indiana-Kentucky series ending

Would love to play a Home(Bloomington)\Home (MSG) series with the Hoosiers.  Think it is possible?  What OCC games are already on the schedule for 2012-13?  Duke, UCLA.....?

Would love to play a Home(Bloomington)\Home (MSG) series with the Hoosiers.  Think it is possible?  What OCC games are already on the schedule for 2012-13?  Duke, UCLA.....?

I believe Duke but not sure if UCLA continued. I hope so for selfish reasons being in LA. Would love us to start up home and homes with the Indiana, Kansas, Florida, Texas, Kentucky, or another team out west such as Stanford 

I heard that Duke may not happen next year which I expected at MSG since we played in Durham this year.

I heard that Duke may not happen next year which I expected at MSG since we played in Durham this year.

Would be news to me.  Duke is on and long term to my knowledge.

Since we're making requests, apart from Indiana, I'd love some Big Ten matchups, perhaps Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin, or Purdue (especially a homecoming for Yoda)

I hope you are right Moose.  I hope Duke-SJU series lasts a long time.

Kentucky-UNC is not happening either.

I remember the IU-UK back to the 80's and 90's.  I remember they use to play the series alternating each state but neither team played it on their "home floor".  I remember I think it was 1991-92 season it was played at the old Hoosier Dome in Indianapolis, HUGE crowd.  Calbert Cheaney and Jamal Mashburn, Knight vs Pitino.  And then the next year the game gets played in Kentucky but at LOUISVILLE.  In other words at Freedom Hall not Rupp.  Neither game got played on campus.

In 2013 it will be 70 years since one of the biggest basketball games of earlier times was played: SJU vs. Wyoming @ MSG for the undisputed national championship.  Many here will know that we won the NIT that year while Wyoming had won the NCAA tourney, which many considered an inferior tournament.  I'd love to see this one-off legacy match up as it gets us talking about our history (and revives the old discussion about the significance of our NIT titles from earlier years).

Apparently a documentary is planned on the matchup:   Wyoming Cowboys Trailer

In 2013 it will be 70 years since one of the biggest basketball games of earlier times was played: SJU vs. Wyoming @ MSG for the undisputed national championship.  Many here will know that we won the NIT that year while Wyoming had won the NCAA tourney, which many considered an inferior tournament.  I'd love to see this one-off legacy match up as it gets us talking about our history (and revives the old discussion about the significance of our NIT titles from earlier years).

Apparently a documentary is planned on the matchup:   Wyoming Cowboys Trailer

Very cool promo

How the hell did Wyoming win an NCAA tourney?

How the hell did Wyoming win an NCAA tourney?

I know, times have changed.

Ha!  Times have changed.  And Utah won the NCAA tourney in '44.  We settled that one too, at MSG, for a mythical national championship, as we had won the NIT that year too.  Both games were sponsored by the Red Cross and supported our troops in WWII.  Sadly, we lost that one also.  I am sure old Joe, RIP, took those two losses to his grave.  But the first game vs. Wyoming was much bigger, the first to my knowledge to unite the tourney "belts" (but I could be wrong).

Whatever the case, the victory for Wyoming has an incredible amount of meaning to that school, which is why I think it would be fun to at least get them in for a non-conference game.  It wouldn't be the same if the game were played at C.A., we'd need to go to MSG.  Herein lies the problem, even if we considered pursuing the idea, which is that even if such a legacy game has significance, the game wouldn't be enough of a draw from current fans to put it at MSG re. ticket sales.  I suppose if the game were important enough to Wyoming maybe something could be worked out as they'd need to be financial stakeholders in the game.  Unlikely!

Ha!  Times have changed.  And Utah won the NCAA tourney in '44.  We settled that one too, at MSG, for a mythical national championship, as we had won the NIT that year too.  Both games were sponsored by the Red Cross and supported our troops in WWII.  Sadly, we lost that one also.  I am sure old Joe, RIP, took those two losses to his grave.  But the first game vs. Wyoming was much bigger, the first to my knowledge to unite the tourney "belts" (but I could be wrong).

Whatever the case, the victory for Wyoming has an incredible amount of meaning to that school, which is why I think it would be fun to at least get them in for a non-conference game.  It wouldn't be the same if the game were played at C.A., we'd need to go to MSG.  Herein lies the problem, even if we considered pursuing the idea, which is that even if such a legacy game has significance, the game wouldn't be enough of a draw from current fans to put it at MSG re. ticket sales.  I suppose if the game were important enough to Wyoming maybe something could be worked out as they'd need to be financial stakeholders in the game.  Unlikely!

Did you attend those games Lapchick? LOL

A rematch would not draw much unless we went out there and they would draw fans with a Big East team coming to town.

Haha!  Didn't attend but knew those who claim to have attended, watching Joe make 50 trips to the water cooler and practically having a heart attack on the bench.

I bet I could get those old films.  Just like my wife watching re-runs of Titanic, we know the endings, but I'd still watch and enjoy.

Isn't Chandler from IN?  Scheduling that game would be a nice homecoming. 

Everyone talks about how the NIT was so superior, but where is the evidence?  It looks like the NCAA was better and the outcome of this game is pretty telling.  Damn, I hope we win a real one in my lifetime! 

The argument for the NIT being the superior tournament in the early years, so we're talking about the 40s here, results from several facts: the NIT was the first post-season tournament (est. 1938), it was always in NYC, and it was held at MSG.  The NCAA tournament was scheduled around the NIT.  In this era the NCAA didn't control things the way they do today, for example there was no requirement for conference winners to participate in their tournament.  So we can't confuse the NIT today with what it once was, or compare it to what the NCAA tourney is today.

In those early years, there were examples of NCAA winners losing in the NIT and vice versa.  The very examples I gave below are a testament to this.  We won the NIT in '44, beating DePaul with George Mikan (that year college player of the year who also led the nation in scoring).  UTAH LOST IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE NIT THAT YEAR.  Yet, Utah won the NCAAs.  We were heralded as national champions.  Gosh darn it, if it weren't for those Red Cross sponsored games at MSG that pitted the NIT champion against the NCAA champion!  Even though Utah lost in the first round of the NIT, they beat us in that game.  A few years later, incidentally, in 1949, Kentucky would win the NCAAs yet lose in the NIT.  But by the 1950s, with the NCAA instituting mandatory participation for conference winners, the NIT was eclipsed by the NCAAs.

As a SJU supporters, we must always defend the NIT, or else history will be forgotten and an important part of our early legacy will mean nothing.  Nothing warms my heart more than thinking of how Al McGuire (SJU grad '51) stuck it to the NCAA in 1970 as Marquette coach by snubbing the NCAAs and playing in the NIT.

Pretty sure Coach Lapchick also snubbed NCAA with either the 60 or 61 team.  Providence with Vinnie Ernst and then Ray Flynn flashing through my memory.

Coach Keady was quoted as saying he did not know if UCLA was going to re-up the series and that it wasn't looking good but that they were in talks with Illinois to possibly do a series.

Coach Keady was quoted as saying he did not know if UCLA was going to re-up the series and that it wasn't looking good but that they were in talks with Illinois to possibly do a series.

UCLA is not that important to me, actually hate offering a school like that a chance to come recruit MSG to local kids. For the most part (sorry crgreen) they are not the draw they used to be for the most part. We do need to come out to California though every so often and wouldn't mind doing USC, Pepperdine, St. Mary's, Stanford on just a home and home then move onto another school every 2 years.