John Marinatto OUT as BE Commish

John Marinatto out as BE Commish per CBS Sports.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/brett-mcmurphy/18983292

Wow, great news!  We can do a lot better.

I have never been a big fan of Marinatto.  He was  not a leader, but a follower.  We need someone who can see the greatness of the BE and make it even better.  The BE Commissioner should be proactive in planning for the future of the BE Conference.

I hope his replacement is a visionary and will resolve the current issues.  Football $$$ will also be there.  However, we can still be a force in BB.

Did we really have TCU as a member?  I would have mentioned losing BC, if he was commish at that time.

“@PeteThamelNYT: The interim Big East Commissioner is Joe Bailey, a former Dolphins CEO. I've confirmed CBSSports reported John Marinatto is out.”

Maybe it's time John finally took that US Geography class that he's put off for so long?

Maybe it's time John finally took that US Geography class that he's put off for so long?

Haha.

He was a mess and had little credibility or respect amongst the Big East Presidents and AD's. Too bad the damage is already done. The Big East will have to make the best of it.

I have no personal opinion on John Marinatto but someone is going to have to show me how things would have turned out differently or "better" if you will for the BE if say Mike Tranghese were still Commissioner or if someone else got the job.

This thing was going to blow up one way or another.  When Mike T lost Miami, Va Tech and BC a few years and then proceeded to raid Conference USA to put together a monster BE basketball league, he was merely postponing the inevitable.  No way was that going to be sustainable.

I have always felt he was the problem and not the solution.  If football is so dominant and the BE was a laggard in that arena, he should have been proactive not reactive.  Everything was done after others struck at the BE.  I believe he should have went after the ACC first; brought back BC which would have made sense and been positive with their alumni but no he waited until the poaching was done to go after SMU and Houston.

the BE is needs a change of leadership to get a new contract for sports (football) as the existing one runs out very soon--it should have been in place last year but...............

I have always felt he was the problem and not the solution.  If football is so dominant and the BE was a laggard in that arena, he should have been proactive not reactive.  Everything was done after others struck at the BE.  I believe he should have went after the ACC first; brought back BC which would have made sense and been positive with their alumni but no he waited until the poaching was done to go after SMU and Houston.

the BE is needs a change of leadership to get a new contract for sports (football) as the existing one runs out very soon--it should have been in place last year but...............

Noen fo that was remotely possible.  None of those schools would have left in the first place.  If that were the case you could have blamed Mike Tranghese as well.

I am sorry but if you are going to blame the guy for stuff you better be able to show what someone else could have realistically done differently.  This notion that the BE could convince BC to come back is completely ludicrous.  And last time I checked that happened on Tranghese's watch and he was a considered one of the best Commisioner's.

He should have been proactive. That said, I think he did a good job w the new schools added. Boise state is excellent in football and Memphis and Temple are very good in BB. The Texas schools will give the BE teams greater access to the talent rich Texas area and the addition of Houston and SMU to the BE will be mutually beneficial. People forget that the BE was left for dead. I hate these conference reallignments. They are motivated by nothing but money and breaks up many great rivalries. It also hurts the geographic distributions of the conferences. Whoever takes over will have his hands full trying to prevent further raids of BE teams. IE Louisville to big 12

The smart play would have been trying to poach teams that felt like they deserved to be the toast of their conferences that were constantly second fiddle --- Maryland and Missouri are two big ones that come to mind --- had to be done before WV/Pitt/Cuse departed, fo course.  Throw in say, SMU and Houston BEFORE the departure of Pitt, WV, and Syracuse, and you have a 12 team football league of WV, Pitt, Syracuse, Maryland, Missouri, SMU, Houston, Louisville, UConn, Rutgers, Cincy, and USF.  Does that prevent the departure of Syracuse/WV/Pitt?  I'm not sure it does, but if the BE conference was a legit 12 team conf. with a title game, maybe more loyalty is shown.

The smart play would have been trying to poach teams that felt like they deserved to be the toast of their conferences that were constantly second fiddle --- Maryland and Missouri are two big ones that come to mind --- had to be done before WV/Pitt/Cuse departed, fo course.  Throw in say, SMU and Houston BEFORE the departure of Pitt, WV, and Syracuse, and you have a 12 team football league of WV, Pitt, Syracuse, Maryland, Missouri, SMU, Houston, Louisville, UConn, Rutgers, Cincy, and USF.  Does that prevent the departure of Syracuse/WV/Pitt?  I'm not sure it does, but if the BE conference was a legit 12 team conf. with a title game, maybe more loyalty is shown.

Maryland?  No way Maryland comes to the Big East, no way no how.  This is what I am talking about.  Why not just suggest UNC and Duke to the BE as well.

IMO, the crumbling of the BE had little to do with Marinatto.  If you want to look at one act or decision recently made by the BE under Marinatto's reign as the cause for the current state of things, then look no further than when the BE voted to kill the ESPN football TV deal in 2011, which reportedly was the nail in the coffin for the BE football/basketball schools who were looking to maximize the TV revenues that other conferences have been getting from their football programs.   Maybe Marinatto could have done a better job of juggling the balls, but IMO, the composition of the BE was practically unsustainable given the apparent disparity in TV money being made by major football programs vs. basketball programs.  Sure, Syracuse football has sucked and their basketball has been among the elite programs, but Syracuse still stands to make more $ from their football program than basketball.  Boeheim himself said as much.  Unless the Marinatto was willing to allow the football schools dominate the BE agenda (which he couldn't), I don't think there was any way he could have avoided the exodus.

Maryland?  No way Maryland comes to the Big East, no way no how.  This is what I am talking about.  Why not just suggest UNC and Duke to the BE as well.

Why wouldn't Maryland have entertained the idea prior to the departure of Cuse/Pitt/WV?

Also, how in the world do you compare Maryland with UNC/Duke? UNC/Duke are in the heart of ACC country, Maryland is not. Not to mention that Maryland hates playing third fiddle to them in the league in basketball, and other than a couple years there, are not in the class of FSU/Miami/Va Tech in football.  You really are senseless sometimes.

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Maryland?  No way Maryland comes to the Big East, no way no how.  This is what I am talking about.  Why not just suggest UNC and Duke to the BE as well.

Why wouldn't Maryland have entertained the idea prior to the departure of Cuse/Pitt/WV?

Also, how in the world do you compare Maryland with UNC/Duke? UNC/Duke are in the heart of ACC country, Maryland is not. Not to mention that Maryland hates playing third fiddle to them in the league in basketball, and other than a couple years there, are not in the class of FSU/Miami/Va Tech in football.  You really are senseless sometimes.

The ACC as a football and basketball conference is and was much more historically established then the Big East with HUGE academic institutions.  Why not suggest Michigan St or Indiana leaving the Big Ten?  Why not?  If you are going to suggest Maryland then those would not be as unusual.

Let's remember why Big East football was formed.  It was formed for the express purposes of making sure Pitt and Syracuse did NOT leave and send the conference down the toilet with it.  When the old CFA (College Football Association) disbanded partly due to the fact that Notre Dame left it to sign a huge contract with NBC and have its own network the rise of conference football became huge.  So it was no longer viable for Independents like Miami, Florida St, Penn St, Syracuse and Pitt to stay independent in football because of the TV money being lost which would now be negotiated with conferences. 

Penn St joined the Big Ten and it became clear that Syracuse and Pitt were the Big Ten's next targets and the Big East was left to scramble to save its conference.  To do so it had to form a football conference.  It also needed a school like Miami,with big time recent success and a draw on television, to make the conference viable.  But it was always flawed from the beginnning.  With regards to football the Big East was always negotiating from a position of weakness since historically it could not compete with the markets/conferences in the midwest and south who had traditional football powers. 

Are you daft, Fordham?  How is Maryland, a second tier football and basketball school at the northern most portion of the natural ACC, north of at least one traditional Big East member, joining the Big East akin to Indiana - a top tier historical basketball program - or Michigan St. - another top tier historical basketball program, truly in the heart of Big 10 country - joining the Big East?  It'd be more similar to suggesting Penn St. join the BE, which many people have been doing for years on end.

You must have bombed the analogy portion of your SAT...if you are out of high school?

Also, last time I checked, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech are not huge institutions, and Pitt, Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers, etc. are.   Not sure what you're talking about.  Both BE and ACC have large and small institutions.  SEC/Big 10/Big 12 is where it's mostly huge institutions.

Are you daft, Fordham?  How is Maryland, a second tier football and basketball school at the northern most portion of the natural ACC, north of at least one traditional Big East member, joining the Big East akin to Indiana - a top tier historical basketball program - or Michigan St. - another top tier historical basketball program, truly in the heart of Big 10 country - joining the Big East?  It'd be more similar to suggesting Penn St. join the BE, which many people have been doing for years on end.

You must have bombed the analogy portion of your SAT...if you are out of high school?

Also, last time I checked, Duke, Wake Forest, Clemson, Georgia Tech are not huge institutions, and Pitt, Syracuse, UConn, Rutgers, etc. are.   Not sure what you're talking about.  Both BE and ACC have large and small institutions.  SEC/Big 10/Big 12 is where it's mostly huge institutions.

Second tier my ass.  First off Maryland is one of the top 10 basketball jobs in the country.  Period.  When that job opened last year every commentator said so.  It nearly got Sean Miller to leave Arizona for that job.  Second tier my foot.  If you think that you have no clue.

Maryland would never leave the ACC for the Big East.  No way no how.  Period.  If you think that then you have no clue and this discussion is meaningless.

He should have been proactive. That said, I think he did a good job w the new schools added. Boise state is excellent in football and Memphis and Temple are very good in BB. The Texas schools will give the BE teams greater access to the talent rich Texas area and the addition of Houston and SMU to the BE will be mutually beneficial. People forget that the BE was left for dead. I hate these conference reallignments. They are motivated by nothing but money and breaks up many great rivalries. It also hurts the geographic distributions of the conferences. Whoever takes over will have his hands full trying to prevent further raids of BE teams. IE Louisville to big 12

Boise is never going to play a down in the BE, mark my words.     The new football playoff system eliminates Automatic Qualifying Conferences.   That was their whole motive for coming to the Big East.     I don't know the contractual details, but I would bet good money they don't join the Big East.   

Why do you keep refusing to answer my questions with facts?  All you do is spew new/different opinion from yourself, acting like you are some authority on anything.  You prove with each post how far from an authority on anything you are.

I don't know anyone, and have not heard from anyone, that Maryland is one of the top 10 jobs in the country.  Any ACC job that is not Duke or UNC is an uphill battle, so it is impossible, from my perspective, to name any other ACC job as top 10 in the nation.  What Maryland has going for it is its connection$ to Under Armour, great facilities, and proximity to a Metro area.

But it's not a no doubt Top 10 job.  And Sean Miller DIDN'T leave for Maryland.  They got a good coach in Mark Turgeon, but it's not like they attracted some super stud to Maryland.

And to pre-empt you:

Duke, UNC, Kansas, Kentucky and UCLA are all undoubtedly ahead of Maryland.  I can't imagine you'd even argue with that.

After that, I'd put the following jobs either ahead of, or on par with, the Maryland job:

Michigan, Michigan St., Indiana, Georgetown, St. John's, Texas, Oklahoma, Florida, Arizona.

Then you have jobs like Syracuse and UConn, which maybe are, but until another coach is successful there, I am hesitant.  Then you have jobs, which, for various reasons, you could argue are as good as Maryland's, including:  NC State, Notre Dame, Memphis, Louisville, Wisconsin, Illinois, Stanford etc. etc.

Basically I've named about 20 jobs, and I am pretty sure others can throw in some more as I don't want to continue wasting time on this.  To consider Maryland "a top 10 basketball job.  period" is ridiculous.

And Second Tier?  Everyone in the ACC is second tier to Duke and UNC.  You obviously no jack sh!t about the ACC.  There's a reason no program has been able to establish themselves as a clear #3 there, let alone even approach top 2.  Geez.  Think a little.