Coach Dunlap and Bobcats

Bobcats were given 5 trade proposals for the # 2 pick.

http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2012/story/_/id/8104451/2012-nba-draft-charlotte-bobcats-weighing-offers-no-2-pick

I think they should trade it/draft MKG. I dont see Thomas Robinson being anywhere near a franchise player in the NBA

I think they should trade it/draft MKG. I dont see Thomas Robinson being anywhere near a franchise player in the NBA

Kid-Gilchrist has a good motor, but outside of that I don't see him having the upside.  Not sure where he'll play.  I wouldn't draft MKG in the first few picks.

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 12:54:38 PM

I think they should trade it/draft MKG. I dont see Thomas Robinson being anywhere near a franchise player in the NBA

Kid-Gilchrist has a good motor, but outside of that I don't see him having the upside.  Not sure where he'll play.  I wouldn't draft MKG in the first few picks.

He has qualities you cant teach and his game will be polished in the NBA. If you're the Bobcats picking at 2 who would you take?

Quote from: MCNPA on June 28, 2012, 12:56:13 PM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 12:54:38 PM

I think they should trade it/draft MKG. I dont see Thomas Robinson being anywhere near a franchise player in the NBA

Kid-Gilchrist has a good motor, but outside of that I don't see him having the upside.  Not sure where he'll play.  I wouldn't draft MKG in the first few picks.

He has qualities you cant teach and his game will be polished in the NBA. If you're the Bobcats picking at 2 who would you take?

Lots of guys work hard.  Draft for talent.  Kid-Gilchrist isn't that big of a talent at the nba level IMHO.  He's undersized wing with a hitch in his release.  He'll be matched up against bigger, faster and more talented wings in the nba including Moe Harkless.  If bobcats are picking at #2, I think the guys with the most obvious nba upside are Beal and Drummond.  Drummond is a freak athlete and has the raw tools to dominate.  Beal is an amazing scorer, and a guy who could be an elite NBA scorer.  Overall I'd have to probably say Beal, although they need a SF.  Take Beal and trade for a SF and other depth. 

Quote from: MCNPA on June 28, 2012, 12:56:13 PM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 12:54:38 PM

I think they should trade it/draft MKG. I dont see Thomas Robinson being anywhere near a franchise player in the NBA

Kid-Gilchrist has a good motor, but outside of that I don't see him having the upside.  Not sure where he'll play.  I wouldn't draft MKG in the first few picks.

He has qualities you cant teach and his game will be polished in the NBA. If you're the Bobcats picking at 2 who would you take?

Before the Ben Gordon trade I was beal all the way. But now back to T-Rob

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 01:00:45 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on June 28, 2012, 12:56:13 PM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 12:54:38 PM

I think they should trade it/draft MKG. I dont see Thomas Robinson being anywhere near a franchise player in the NBA

Kid-Gilchrist has a good motor, but outside of that I don't see him having the upside.  Not sure where he'll play.  I wouldn't draft MKG in the first few picks.

He has qualities you cant teach and his game will be polished in the NBA. If you're the Bobcats picking at 2 who would you take?

Before the Ben Gordon trade I was beal all the way. But now back to T-Rob

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing.  I just believe that Beal is the only guy who is talented enough to be drafted at #2. 

I'm not sure I take TRob over Drummond.  Drummond is bigger, with every bit of the athleticism and freakish proportions. Drummond measured 6'10" without shoes and wingspan of 7'6+ which was longer than Anthony Davis.  In addition he has had measured verticals anywhere between 33" to 40" which is absurd for a guy his size.   The X-factor?  Mike Dunlap.  I can only imagine what Mike Dunlap can do to improve the game of a guy like Drummond.

Oh fwiw, Kidd-Gilchrist measured at about 6'5" 1/2 without shoes.  At that size he should have SG/wing skills, not be a tweener forward.

This is where we disagree, we'll check back in a few years to see who was right 

Quote from: MCNPA on June 28, 2012, 12:56:13 PM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 12:54:38 PM

I think they should trade it/draft MKG. I dont see Thomas Robinson being anywhere near a franchise player in the NBA

Kid-Gilchrist has a good motor, but outside of that I don't see him having the upside.  Not sure where he'll play.  I wouldn't draft MKG in the first few picks.

He has qualities you cant teach and his game will be polished in the NBA. If you're the Bobcats picking at 2 who would you take?

Beal or Barnes.    The guys who bust are the super athletes who it turns out can't shoot a lick.   If you're athletic and can shoot .. there's usually room for you in the NBA.

I know everyone disagrees on Barnes, which is fine.    But unless you have a can't miss low post player ... ala Davis, or a franchise point guard ( I don't see one in this draft) .. then I go with the athletic shooter.   
For the same reasons I think Jeremy Lamb has a shot to stick in the league.   

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 01:00:45 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on June 28, 2012, 12:56:13 PM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 12:54:38 PM

I think they should trade it/draft MKG. I dont see Thomas Robinson being anywhere near a franchise player in the NBA

Kid-Gilchrist has a good motor, but outside of that I don't see him having the upside.  Not sure where he'll play.  I wouldn't draft MKG in the first few picks.

He has qualities you cant teach and his game will be polished in the NBA. If you're the Bobcats picking at 2 who would you take?

Beal or Barnes.    The guys who bust are the super athletes who it turns out can't shoot a lick.   If you're athletic and can shoot .. there's usually room for you in the NBA.

I know everyone disagrees on Barnes, which is fine.    But unless you have a can't miss low post player ... ala Davis, or a franchise point guard ( I don't see one in this draft) .. then I go with the athletic shooter.   
For the same reasons I think Jeremy Lamb has a shot to stick in the league.

Another reason I think Bobcats should take Beal.  Even though they signed Ben Gordon, Beal would be the best trade-bait of they want to land more veteran talent.  Lots of teams who'd love to have Beal.  Can draft him and trade for some solid talent/draft picks.  Beal is a stud.

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Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 01:00:45 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on June 28, 2012, 12:56:13 PM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 12:54:38 PM

I think they should trade it/draft MKG. I dont see Thomas Robinson being anywhere near a franchise player in the NBA

Kid-Gilchrist has a good motor, but outside of that I don't see him having the upside.  Not sure where he'll play.  I wouldn't draft MKG in the first few picks.

He has qualities you cant teach and his game will be polished in the NBA. If you're the Bobcats picking at 2 who would you take?

Beal or Barnes.    The guys who bust are the super athletes who it turns out can't shoot a lick.   If you're athletic and can shoot .. there's usually room for you in the NBA.

I know everyone disagrees on Barnes, which is fine.    But unless you have a can't miss low post player ... ala Davis, or a franchise point guard ( I don't see one in this draft) .. then I go with the athletic shooter.   
For the same reasons I think Jeremy Lamb has a shot to stick in the league.

Another reason I think Bobcats should take Beal.  Even though they signed Ben Gordon, Beal would be the best trade-bait of they want to land more veteran talent.  Lots of teams who'd love to have Beal.  Can draft him and trade for some solid talent/draft picks.  Beal is a stud.

Agree.  Beal has high trade value even if you don't keep him.   He's unlikely to bust and has high upside as well.   That's rare.   He's a high reward, low risk player.   

Quote from: MCNPA on June 28, 2012, 01:21:58 PM

Quote from: desco80 on June 28, 2012, 01:16:53 PM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 01:00:45 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on June 28, 2012, 12:56:13 PM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 12:54:38 PM

I think they should trade it/draft MKG. I dont see Thomas Robinson being anywhere near a franchise player in the NBA

Kid-Gilchrist has a good motor, but outside of that I don't see him having the upside.  Not sure where he'll play.  I wouldn't draft MKG in the first few picks.

He has qualities you cant teach and his game will be polished in the NBA. If you're the Bobcats picking at 2 who would you take?

Beal or Barnes.    The guys who bust are the super athletes who it turns out can't shoot a lick.   If you're athletic and can shoot .. there's usually room for you in the NBA.

I know everyone disagrees on Barnes, which is fine.    But unless you have a can't miss low post player ... ala Davis, or a franchise point guard ( I don't see one in this draft) .. then I go with the athletic shooter.   
For the same reasons I think Jeremy Lamb has a shot to stick in the league.

Another reason I think Bobcats should take Beal.  Even though they signed Ben Gordon, Beal would be the best trade-bait of they want to land more veteran talent.  Lots of teams who'd love to have Beal.  Can draft him and trade for some solid talent/draft picks.  Beal is a stud.

Agree.  Beal has high trade value even if you don't keep him.   He's unlikely to bust and has high upside as well.   That's rare.   He's a high reward, low risk player.   

Teams like WSH and CLE want Beal real bad supposedly.  Gotta use the leverage against them both hoping maybe your can get them to try and leapfrog eachother.  Also has to be some middle pick team who would love to get a guy like Beal.  I'm not the biggest NBA fan.  I'm trying to get more into it.  And this draft is sure helping me because its going to be crazy I think.

You are the absolute least talented team in the NBA.  Maybe one of the least talented teams EVER.    This is a very DEEP draft - one of the deepest in quite a while, but there's only ONE sure thing, and you can't get him.   There are guys even the best experts say are going to go in the teens and twenties who COULD be better than anyone who's going to go in the top 10 not named Davis.    You've got the #2 overall pick.    ONE player isn't going to make a difference for  your team - you need a talent upgrade across the board.     There are players in this draft who are going to go in the 2nd round who are BETTER than the guys on your roster right now.

Trade the #2 for as many picks as you can muster.  Maybe you can pry a couple of those Houston #1s loose.  Maybe you can score a mid #1 and a couple of high 2s.   Maybe even more.   

2nd round is going to have players like maybe Quincy Miller, Machado, Plumlee, Darius Miller, John Jenkins, Drew Gordon, Kyle O'Quinn, Jae Crowder, Jaymichael Green....

Bobcats current roster shows Jamario Moon, Disangna Diop,   Reggie Williams,   DJ White.  BJ Mullins, Corey Higgens, Matt Carroll, Derrick Brown and DJ Augustine.

They seem high on last years #1s in Kemba and big Bismak Byombo.  Just traded for Ben Gordon.   But this is a team who's "big gun" is GERALD HENDESON.   SECOND rounders in this draft = talent upgrade.   

With this team, EVERY pick, no matter who it is or what position they play, IS a pick for "need".   And they "need" a LOT.   

Quote from: MCNPA on June 28, 2012, 01:21:58 PM

Quote from: desco80 on June 28, 2012, 01:16:53 PM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 01:00:45 PM

Quote from: MCNPA on June 28, 2012, 12:56:13 PM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 12:54:38 PM

I think they should trade it/draft MKG. I dont see Thomas Robinson being anywhere near a franchise player in the NBA

Kid-Gilchrist has a good motor, but outside of that I don't see him having the upside.  Not sure where he'll play.  I wouldn't draft MKG in the first few picks.

He has qualities you cant teach and his game will be polished in the NBA. If you're the Bobcats picking at 2 who would you take?

Beal or Barnes.    The guys who bust are the super athletes who it turns out can't shoot a lick.   If you're athletic and can shoot .. there's usually room for you in the NBA.

I know everyone disagrees on Barnes, which is fine.    But unless you have a can't miss low post player ... ala Davis, or a franchise point guard ( I don't see one in this draft) .. then I go with the athletic shooter.   
For the same reasons I think Jeremy Lamb has a shot to stick in the league.

Another reason I think Bobcats should take Beal.  Even though they signed Ben Gordon, Beal would be the best trade-bait of they want to land more veteran talent.  Lots of teams who'd love to have Beal.  Can draft him and trade for some solid talent/draft picks.  Beal is a stud.

Agree.  Beal has high trade value even if you don't keep him.   He's unlikely to bust and has high upside as well.   That's rare.   He's a high reward, low risk player.   

Don't forget, with the #2 spot and Davis already accounted for, you can bet the Bobcats offers will only get better every hour heading to draft time.  They can essentially shop anybody on the draft board around to the best bidder.  They can really get a sweet deal if Cho plays this right and finds a team who reallys wants somebody at that #2 spot.  Today is the day to get the most for their pick.  I still think trading it is the way to go.

This is where we disagree, we'll check back in a few years to see who was right 

Well MKG drafted second.  I wouldn't have taken him there.  Certainly time will tell. 

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 01:13:42 PM

This is where we disagree, we'll check back in a few years to see who was right 

Well MKG drafted second.  I wouldn't have taken him there.  Certainly time will tell.

Wonder if they keep him, or picked him fora trade-partner?

Quote from: MCNPA on June 28, 2012, 07:50:29 PM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 01:13:42 PM

This is where we disagree, we'll check back in a few years to see who was right 

Well MKG drafted second.  I wouldn't have taken him there.  Certainly time will tell.

Wonder if they keep him, or picked him fora trade-partner?

We'll see.  I think #2 was a huge stretch for a tweener forward like MKG.

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Quote from: MCNPA on June 28, 2012, 07:50:29 PM

Quote from: Redstormy80 on June 28, 2012, 01:13:42 PM

This is where we disagree, we'll check back in a few years to see who was right 

Well MKG drafted second.  I wouldn't have taken him there.  Certainly time will tell.

Wonder if they keep him, or picked him fora trade-partner?

We'll see.  I think #2 was a huge stretch for a tweener forward like MKG.

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Lots of potential with him though.

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Sounds like Ben Gordon is barking up the wrong tree.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--sources--bobcats-more-determined-to-trade-ben-gordon-after-incident-with-coach-165657267.html