Harrison Article

So who's givin DLo fits in pick up?

I would hope Dom would be guarding him. Thats a good match up for the both of them.

Quote from: Choz4Life on September 29, 2012, 09:57:55 AM

Quote from: Poison on September 29, 2012, 02:53:29 AM

It's a pretty long list. We have several of our own.

Boo, D Cain.

 El-amin
 Allan Ray
Ben Hansborough

 to name a few more... there are probably tons, actually.

El Amin reached the NBA.  Short career, but he pocketed $782K before heading overseas.

Allan Ray also reached the NBA.  One year with the Celts ($442K).

Hansbrough has had injury issues (something, knock wood, not impacting D'lo).   He IS currently under contract with the Pacers.

Quote from: Choz4Life on September 29, 2012, 02:30:28 PM

So who's givin DLo fits in pick up?

I would hope Dom would be guarding him. Thats a good match up for the both of them.

Don't forget Branch was a very highly regarded defender coming out of hs.

Quote from: boo3 on September 29, 2012, 10:14:55 AM

Quote from: Choz4Life on September 29, 2012, 09:57:55 AM

Quote from: Poison on September 29, 2012, 02:53:29 AM

It's a pretty long list. We have several of our own.

Boo, D Cain.

 El-amin
 Allan Ray
Ben Hansborough

 to name a few more... there are probably tons, actually.

El Amin reached the NBA.  Short career, but he pocketed $782K before heading overseas.

Allan Ray also reached the NBA.  One year with the Celts ($442K).

Hansbrough has had injury issues (something, knock wood, not impacting D'lo).   He IS currently under contract with the Pacers.

what about victor page or as someone just mentioned boo harvey ?

 I guess we have to define what D-Lo "making it to the NBA"  really means.  Getting drafted? Playing 20 games? 1 season? 5 seasons.

 Allan Ray was 1st team all -big east, didn't get drafted, and played with the Celtics for 2 months and went abroad. 

 Khalid El-Amin played in a grand total of 50 games.

 Sure these guys made it on a NBA roster.  But they didn't exactly have NBA careers after having exceptional college careers. Which was the point of the original question i thought, to find similar guys like D-lo, or guys that may be in a similar circumstance.

 Do I think D-Lo will get a chance in the NBA?  Yes, 100%.  How long or how successful is uncertain at this point.

 

I guess we have to define what D-Lo "making it to the NBA"  really means.  Getting drafted? Playing 20 games? 1 season? 5 seasons.

 Allan Ray was 1st team all -big east, didn't get drafted, and played with the Celtics for 2 months and went abroad. 

 Khalid El-Amin played in a grand total of 50 games.

 Sure these guys made it on a NBA roster.  But they didn't exactly have NBA careers after having exceptional college careers. Which was the point of the original question i thought, to find similar guys like D-lo, or guys that may be in a similar circumstance.

 Do I think D-Lo will get a chance in the NBA?  Yes, 100%.  How long or how successful is uncertain at this point.

 

If you see the floor for one second I consider that making the NBA. Did you have a great career? No, but you achieved something that only a select few in the grand scheme of things have accomplished. I think the key is to immediately go overseas if you flame out and take the biggest paycheck you can find. Don't waste several years trying to catch on, and then go back to your hometown and mope when you get cut in training camp.

Quote from: Poison on September 29, 2012, 12:37:59 AM

If there is a weak pick of guards from the college ranks, NBA teams can go international for talent. The 2nd round doesn't mean they'll get a contract, or anything at all. Why not look at Scotty's decision as a good one? He's a making a fine living overseas and he has a degree from a very good school. Life is good for him.

Judging by the fact he is trying out for NBA teams and can't make it, I view it as a mistake because his goal is to play in the NBA? I think it is awesome that he graduated from Nova and is making 6 figures seeing things I can only dream of. Just think like Chris Thomas from UND ,they would of saw the league if they would of left 2nd year,IMO. I still think Scottie can make the league my prediction is on SA.

So, you're talking about strictly getting that contract, and not about being able to stay in the league? If so, I understand, but remember for every Chris Thomas that bolts there are a dozen Omar Cooks and God Shamgods that disappear into the night. And that's the problem. We never hear about the guys that fail.

Yea I was talking about getting an NBA contract. And If you really watch Basketball Closely NCAA and Euro league are more similar in terms of style of play to each other. The NBA is different animal.

for every Chris Thomas that bolts there are a dozen Omar Cooks and God Shamgods that disappear into the night. And that's the problem. We never hear about the guys that fail.

What's your definition of "fail"? Cook makes about a million USD a year playing BB. At 28 he's likely made more money and achieved more success in his chosen profession since not graduating from SJ than'll you will in your entire lifetime.

"Maccabi Tel-Aviv and Efes Pilsen are showing interest in securing the services of Unicaja's point guard Omar Cook for the next season. The €750.000-a-year contract of the American guard runs out in June. His current club is not willing to use the option in the contract and offer an extension to Cook. As a result of that some of the top teams in Europe are already planning to make a bid for the player when the summer comes."

http://www.talkbasket.net/omar-cook-wanted-by-maccabi-and-efes-pilsen-2422

Quote from: we are sju on September 24, 2012, 01:05:29 PM

You know it is possible to root for a player or a team w/o being blind to their deficiencies! I realize "fan" is short for fanatical but common sense is good too.

I'm constrained to point out that last year you thought Harrison couldn't shoot either. So it's possible to imagine deficiencies as well, especially for someone who is seemingly only happy when the glass is half full. I'll tell you who Harrison is more athletic than: Mark Jackson. He's about the same size as MJ. Except perhaps for his handle he's infinitely more skilled on the offensive end than MJ was as a freshman. He doesn't have MJ's giant ass but he's at least as strong as MJ was as a frosh, who if mammary serves was a stringbean as a freshman. Yes he doesn't have the experience playing the point and no I'm not making a direct comparison but from what I saw last year DH has great vision and a great court sense and perhaps most importantly he has fire in his belly. He has the skills to be as good a PG as a soph as David Cain was as a senior.

As a player, DLo reminds me of Scottie Reynolds, able to shoot and get to the basket. Hopefully he improves his PG skills and eventually has an NBA career.
He is nowhere near the player David Cain was as a senior. David put that team on his back, got Shawnelle Scott an NBA contract and Brian Mahoney a helluva extension. Even Mahoney knows he owes David for that. Dave was a NYC PG who did not get a chance until his senior year. He ran that team perfectly, made great decisions and most important got the ball to the right players where they could do something with it.

god shamgod just hired on providence college staff.

As a player, DLo reminds me of Scottie Reynolds, able to shoot and get to the basket. Hopefully he improves his PG skills and eventually has an NBA career. He is nowhere near the player David Cain was as a senior. David put that team on his back, got Shawnelle Scott an NBA contract and Brian Mahoney a helluva extension. Even Mahoney knows he owes David for that. Dave was a NYC PG who did not get a chance until his senior year. He ran that team perfectly, made great decisions and most important got the ball to the right players where they could do something with it.

Cain had an amazing senior year. He averaged 11 points, 7 assists, 4 rebounds and was named first team ABE. He shot 40 percent frm the floor, 20 percent from 3, and 70 percent from the line. Before that he was awful. His transformation was one of the more remarkable I've seen in lo these many years of watching college BB.

Last year as a freshman DH averaged 18 ppg, 2 assists, and 4 rebounds. He shot 37 percent from the floor, 36 percent from 3, and 80 percent from the line. IMO Harrison is already a better basketball player than Cain - although not a better PG obviously - and this year's team will also go as far as he carries them. I doubt that's very far. But barring a catastrophe he'll - other than assists - meet or exceed all of Cain's numbers.

Quote from: Poison on September 29, 2012, 09:26:41 PM

for every Chris Thomas that bolts there are a dozen Omar Cooks and God Shamgods that disappear into the night. And that's the problem. We never hear about the guys that fail.

What's your definition of "fail"? Cook makes about a million USD a year playing BB. At 28 he's likely made more money and achieved more success in his chosen profession since not graduating from SJ than'll you will in your entire lifetime.

"Maccabi Tel-Aviv and Efes Pilsen are showing interest in securing the services of Unicaja's point guard Omar Cook for the next season. The €750.000-a-year contract of the American guard runs out in June. His current club

is not willing to use the option in the contract and offer an extension to Cook. As a result of that some of the top teams in Europe are
already planning to make a bid for the player when the summer comes."

http://www.talkbasket.net/omar-cook-wanted-by-maccabi-and-efes-pilsen-2422

Cook didn't leave SJ early to play overseas, but please tell us all how he fits right in on Maccabi Tel-Aviv.

Quote from: panther2 on September 30, 2012, 07:12:47 AM

As a player, DLo reminds me of Scottie Reynolds, able to shoot and get to the basket. Hopefully he improves his PG skills and eventually has an NBA career. He is nowhere near the player David Cain was as a senior. David put that team on his back, got Shawnelle Scott an NBA contract and Brian Mahoney a helluva extension. Even Mahoney knows he owes David for that. Dave was a NYC PG who did not get a chance until his senior year. He ran that team perfectly, made great decisions and most important got the ball to the right players where they could do something with it.

Cain had an amazing senior year. He averaged 11 points, 7 assists, 4 rebounds and was named first team ABE. He shot 40 percent frm the floor, 20 percent from 3, and 70 percent from the line. Before that he was awful. His transformation was one of the more remarkable I've seen in lo these many years of watching college BB.

Last year as a freshman DH averaged 18 ppg, 2 assists, and 4 rebounds. He shot 37 percent from the floor, 36 percent from 3, and 80 percent from the line. IMO Harrison is already a better basketball player than Cain - although not a better PG obviously - and this year's team will also go as far as he carries them. I doubt that's very far. But barring a catastrophe he'll - other than assists - meet or exceed all of Cain's numbers.

DLo will never average 7 assts per game. David did what was needed for his team to win and get to the NCAA tourney. too often, people just look at statistics and not how a players performance impacts his team.

Cain's senior season was a success because he was about to find open looks for guys that couldn't create them for themselves. Harrison is going to play lead guard, but Cain was a natural point guard. He would only look to score when he couldn't create.

I love Harrison's game, and I hope it works, but putting a shooting at the point has rarely been a recipe for success at St.John's. Hopefully, DLo can hold down the fort until Jamal Branch becomes eligible.

What makes a great college player doesn't always translate to the next level.  Harrison has great vision, a very high basketball IQ, he is a very good shooter, he can score in a variety of ways, and he has skill to spare.  Like Reynolds, Hatten, McNamara and countless others, he'll have no problem scoring at the Big East level. 

At the next level, he'll have his shot thrown back at him every time he gets in the lane--if he gets there.  He'll be guarded by taller defenders with much better lateral quickness than he possesses.  I love the kid, but he looks like he is wearing ankle weights.  He is not tall, has below average length, and he has a low release to top it off.  He doesn't have a true position yet.  If he can show that he can run point for a few years, that will help his stock signifigantly.  All this talk about Harrison leaving early is a joke at this point. 

Look at the kids in this year's draft.  Ryan Harrow  and Myck Kabango make Harrison look like he's standing  still.  Ben McLemore's ceiling is several stories higher than Harrison's.  Not sure if he'll depart, but BJ Young looks like a stud with better height and athleticism. 

What about all the seniors that have to come out?  Dexter Strickland, Drew Crawford, Green from Va Tech, Kenny Boynton, Durand Scott, Pierre Jackson, and Canaan from Murray State (who shoots 10% better than Harrison from deep). 

The NBA will take shot on "high ceiling" kids like McLemore or Lorenzo Brown in the lottery over a more skilled player like Harrison any day of the week.  Harrison isn't even on the NBA radar the next two years.  He might be a guy that gets drafted in the second round as a senior and sticks around the league for a while due to his IQ and skillset.   

But then there is your Sam Cassell and Flip Murray who know the right angles. I just can't wait to go back to this thread at the end of the year to see who's prediction is right and wrong.But either way we all agree Harrison is an elite college player

But then there is your Sam Cassell and Flip Murray who know the right angles. I just can't wait to go back to this thread at the end of the year to see who's prediction is right and wrong.But either way we all agree Harrison is an elite college player

Harrison is an elite college player. That is all that matters. Either way, he'll make a great living. And who knows, he may even graduate from college. It wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

DLo will never average 7 assts per game. David did what was needed for his team to win and get to the NCAA tourney. too often, people just look at statistics and not how a players performance impacts his team.

Three non sequiturs in a row. One more and you'd have hit the super.

Cook didn't leave SJ early to play overseas, but please tell us all how he fits right in on Maccabi Tel-Aviv.

For someone who has trouble formulating a coherent thought you have high expectations for other people. Cook's made millions of dollars playing professional basketball. You want to characterize that as failure, fine. It's no more nonsensical than most everything else you say.