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Quote from: paultzman on February 11, 2014, 07:01:31 PM

Fox blowing up inflatable Pirates. Yikes!

@RogRubin: Marquette (13-10, 5-5 Big East) and Seton Hall (13-10, 4-6) about to tip at the Rock. Rough guess: 500 fans in the arena right now.

I don't like Marquette at 6-5...let's go Pirates.

I do. There one of three teams we can sweep. Having them a game ahead of us isnt a problem if we take care of business.

Should Wichita State be considered for Big East?  VCU, St. Louis have been talked about.  But why not Wichita?

Should Wichita State be considered for Big East?  VCU, St. Louis have been talked about.  But why not Wichita?

I don't think it's wise to keep adding teams that aren't in the east. It's nice that Creighton is having a fine season, but they are not a BE team because they are in the east. There is no rivalry to grow.

If we are going to add two more, I think that UMASS and VCU are logical choices.  UMASS from a location standpoint, tradition standpoint, and that they seem to be on the upswing.  VCU is better than others from a location standpoint, and they have been a very successful program of late. 

My one concern with VCU is what happens if Shaka leaves.  It is premature, but Butler doesn't look nearly as attractive for the league as it did a year ago when Stevens was there.  No one saw Stevens making the leap to the pros (or leaving Butler generally) when he was turning down programs left and right.  I know that Shaka has turned down plenty of opportunities, but I'm sure there are a few jobs he would HAVE to take and if/when he does, what happens to VCU.

Not suggesting them, but SLU will get a big push from Catholic schools in all probability.

@BEandBeyond: How does this year's Big East conference stack up with the 'old Big East' of the past 10 years? Check it out at: http://t.co/Qp4blzqlTM

Everyone looks at this issue from a fan's perspective.   But at the end of the day it's a business decision for each school.
That's why I can't see the conference adding more teams anytime soon.    Each team is getting $5mil a year from Fox.  Just for basketball.   That's pretty remarkable.
If they add 2 more teams, Fox would have to be willing to pay at least $10m more per season.   Otherwise everyone is taking home less.   

As good as Witchita St and VCU might be, I don't think they are worth an extra $10m to Fox.    10 is perfect.  It gives Fox bball inventory, the conference plays round-robbin, and each school takes home the max amount of revenue.    Adding teams will dilute that. 

Everyone looks at this issue from a fan's perspective.   But at the end of the day it's a business decision for each school.
That's why I can't see the conference adding more teams anytime soon.    Each team is getting $5mil a year from Fox.  Just for basketball.   That's pretty remarkable.
If they add 2 more teams, Fox would have to be willing to pay at least $10m more per season.   Otherwise everyone is taking home less.   

As good as Witchita St and VCU might be, I don't think they are worth an extra $10m to Fox.    10 is perfect.  It gives Fox bball inventory, the conference plays round-robbin, and each school takes home the max amount of revenue.    Adding teams will dilute that. 

I agree with you.  It might be better from a PR standpoint to have 12 teams, but from a financial standpoint, it doesn't seem to make sense.  If there were two great programs available (say a Uconn and Memphis) then it would be a good idea.  I like VCU but I don't know that they bring a big enough tv market.  St. Louis brings in a tv market but I don't know that they will maintain a level of success to bring in enough viewers over the long haul.  A 10 team Big East, with tough competition from top to bottom, seems to make the most sense right now.

There are rumors that the contract states Fox will increase the pay day should teams be added.

There are rumors that the contract states Fox will increase the pay day should teams be added.

Who do you as a Gtown fan want to see added.

Quote from: hoyahooligan on February 13, 2014, 11:30:10 PM

There are rumors that the contract states Fox will increase the pay day should teams be added.

Who do you as a Gtown fan want to see added.

It depends what the restrictions are. I think realistically the best adds at this point would be VCU and St. Louis.  Not only would we be great at Basketball but how sick would that soccer conference be!

Ideally you'd like to add one to the (future) Eastern Division- SJU, SHU, Nova, Gtown, Prov.- and one to the Western Division-XU, DePaul,Marq., Creighton, Butler

Current TV markets w ranking- NY-1, Chicago-3, Philly-4, DC-8, Indianapolis-26, Milwaukee-34, Cincy-35, Providence-52,Omaha-76

The big, honking hole- TV wise and Big East tradition-wise is Boston at number 8.

Other top TV markets which could conceivably be part of the BE (east coast or Midwest, does not have a highly established school in another conference, has a school which could be remotely considered for the BE)
Detroit-11
Tampa-14
Cleveland-18
Orlando-19
St. Louis-21
Charlotte-25
Baltimore-27
Hartford/New Haven-31
Richmond-58


Just throwing it out there for informational purposes. Obviously, TV market isn't the only requirement...help to have an established program or one with high potential.

Ideally you'd like to add one to the (future) Eastern Division- SJU, SHU, Nova, Gtown, Prov.- and one to the Western Division-XU, DePaul,Marq., Creighton, Butler

Current TV markets w ranking- NY-1, Chicago-3, Philly-4, DC-8, Indianapolis-26, Milwaukee-34, Cincy-35, Providence-52,Omaha-76

The big, honking hole- TV wise and Big East tradition-wise is Boston at number 8.

Other top TV markets which could conceivably be part of the BE (east coast or Midwest, does not have a highly established school in another conference, has a school which could be remotely considered for the BE)
Detroit-11
Tampa-14
Cleveland-18
Orlando-19
St. Louis-21
Charlotte-25
Baltimore-27
Hartford/New Haven-31
Richmond-58


Just throwing it out there for informational purposes. Obviously, TV market isn't the only requirement...help to have an established program or one with high potential.

Thanks for posting this.  I haven't bothered to look but I posted something similar last year with a big breakdown of TV markets.  I think TV markets and also attendance/school size need to play a factor.  But not at the price of the premise of what the new BE is based on.

Ideally you'd like to add one to the (future) Eastern Division- SJU, SHU, Nova, Gtown, Prov.- and one to the Western Division-XU, DePaul,Marq., Creighton, Butler

Current TV markets w ranking- NY-1, Chicago-3, Philly-4, DC-8, Indianapolis-26, Milwaukee-34, Cincy-35, Providence-52,Omaha-76

The big, honking hole- TV wise and Big East tradition-wise is Boston at number 8.

Other top TV markets which could conceivably be part of the BE (east coast or Midwest, does not have a highly established school in another conference, has a school which could be remotely considered for the BE)
Detroit-11
Tampa-14
Cleveland-18
Orlando-19
St. Louis-21
Charlotte-25
Baltimore-27
Hartford/New Haven-31
Richmond-58


Just throwing it out there for informational purposes. Obviously, TV market isn't the only requirement...help to have an established program or one with high potential.

Out of that list St. Louis & Richmond are potential matches. Detroit isn't a good enough program. UMass for the Boston market is a stretch but might work

UMass and St. Louis would round out the league very nicely.

I would love those two additions.

The Problem with Umass is their D1 football team. Unless they give up on their recent move to 1A and drop back down to 1AA I don't see them being added.

@eamonnbrennan: Saint Louis is good at basketball, and good at being good. My feature on the Billikens: http://t.co/FD6nazVHmm

The Problem with Umass is their D1 football team. Unless they give up on their recent move to 1A and drop back down to 1AA I don't see them being added.

Just read that they are spending alot of money upgrading their football field so you are probably right. St Louis is a no brainer in my opinion if the league is going to expand

St. Joes?

St. Joes?

Nova