Phil Greene Off the Ball

Quote from: Moose on February 01, 2013, 10:21:51 AM

Let me put an end to a certain poster and his love fest with our good ole friend Mr Statistics.

All of our players shoot 42% or better from the field.

EXCEPT

Phil Greene at 37% and Marco at 32%.  Phil is 3rd on the team in FGA and has 100 shot lead on the next closest player Amir.

Maybe Phil should cool it with his trigger finger.

Greene creates most of his own shots unlike most of the squad. 

Is that a good thing or a bad thing.  I can create my own shot.  Doesn't mean its a good one.

Also holding the ball till 3 seconds on the clock you have no choice but to shoot.

Ok this is like shooting fish in a barrel. I'll stop now

I think this is the bar. Usually when you are talented if you are looking to transfer you usually go from power house to power house. EX. Branch Texas AM to St. John's. however when you were over recruited to begin with you usually have to take a step down when trying to explore other options. EX Stith, nurideen, etc now if Phil Greene where to bolt how many of you guys really think he would end up at a powerhouse.

 I just don't get it. 5 game winning streak and the majority of posts are dissecting one players shortcomings to death.

 How come no one is bringing up the fact that Branch nearly threw the game away with a few crucial turnovers at the end of the game?  Is that not thread and 500 posts worthy?

 Everyone that reads the site knows you don't like Greene's ( not singling anyone out) game. We get it. We get he isn't a high percentage shooter. We get he doesn't see the floor great all the time. Believe it or not though, he does do some good things out there on the court and has been an important player to our last few wins.

 Crazy Crazy Crazy...  He isn't transferring, nor should he. Lavin obviously loves him and knows what he's doing despite everyone else's obvious superior basketball knowledge..

I think he's a good mid-range shooter and a decent 3pt shooter. I know his percentages are down but I still think he's a good shooter.

Not sure you can classify someone as a good shooter by ignoring the stat sheet? What exactly are you basing it on then? The stats indicate that Greene is a very bad shooter. If you ignore stats completely then everything is arbitrary. You could tell a girl you have a 10 inch Johnson despite the fact the ruler indicates 6 inches. You get pulled over by a cop who clocks you at 90 and simply disagree. I mean you have to have some sort of baseline no?  There are always factors that will skew stats one way or another, but 37% shooting is bad!

I just don't get it. 5 game winning streak and the majority of posts are dissecting one players shortcomings to death.

 How come no one is bringing up the fact that Branch nearly threw the game away with a few crucial turnovers at the end of the game?  Is that not thread and 500 posts worthy?

 Everyone that reads the site knows you don't like Greene's ( not singling anyone out) game. We get it. We get he isn't a high percentage shooter. We get he doesn't see the floor great all the time. Believe it or not though, he does do some good things out there on the court and has been an important player to our last few wins.

 Crazy Crazy Crazy...  He isn't transferring, nor should he. Lavin obviously loves him and knows what he's doing despite everyone else's obvious superior basketball knowledge..

Because a certain fan of Mr. Greene's game is pretty relentless and ignoring some basic facts that others have pointed out.

Oh I don't know its a message board where discussion is kind of the point.

If your referring to Branch at the end of the regulation that was a foul that Mr. Con Ed Corbett missed.

So yes he has been a part of the 5 game winning streak but he holes and people are discussing those holes.  Just because Lavin has a superior knowledge should we just stop talking?  Pretty boring place then eh?

I think he's a good mid-range shooter and a decent 3pt shooter. I know his percentages are down but I still think he's a good shooter.

Not sure you can classify someone as a good shooter by ignoring the stat sheet? What exactly are you basing it on then? The stats indicate that Greene is a very bad shooter. If you ignore stats completely then everything is arbitrary. You could tell a girl you have a 10 inch Johnson despite the fact the ruler indicates 6 inches. You get pulled over by a cop who clocks you at 90 and simply disagree. I mean you have to have some sort of baseline no?  There are always factors that will skew stats one way or another, but 37% shooting is bad!

 Phil Greene- 37% shooter

 Larry Wright- 39% shooter through soph year... ( and roughly his entire 4 year career, give or take faction of a percentage)


  -- two bad shooters?   

Quote from: boo3 on February 01, 2013, 03:39:58 PM

I just don't get it. 5 game winning streak and the majority of posts are dissecting one players shortcomings to death.

 How come no one is bringing up the fact that Branch nearly threw the game away with a few crucial turnovers at the end of the game?  Is that not thread and 500 posts worthy?

 Everyone that reads the site knows you don't like Greene's ( not singling anyone out) game. We get it. We get he isn't a high percentage shooter. We get he doesn't see the floor great all the time. Believe it or not though, he does do some good things out there on the court and has been an important player to our last few wins.

 Crazy Crazy Crazy...  He isn't transferring, nor should he. Lavin obviously loves him and knows what he's doing despite everyone else's obvious superior basketball knowledge..

Because a certain fan of Mr. Greene's game is pretty relentless and ignoring some basic facts that others have pointed out.

Oh I don't know its a message board where discussion is kind of the point.

If your referring to Branch at the end of the regulation that was a foul that Mr. Con Ed Corbett missed.

So yes he has been a part of the 5 game winning streak but he holes and people are discussing those holes.  Just because Lavin has a superior knowledge should we just stop talking?  Pretty boring place then eh?

  No, by all means... It's theater of the dramatic in here...  How many times can 5 guys say the same thing over and over....  engaging to say the least.

 Greene has 6 more turnovers that Branch this season.  Greene has played 21 games, Branch 9... Hey Look!  A positive. 

I just don't get it. 5 game winning streak and the majority of posts are dissecting one players shortcomings to death.

 How come no one is bringing up the fact that Branch nearly threw the game away with a few crucial turnovers at the end of the game?  Is that not thread and 500 posts worthy?

 Everyone that reads the site knows you don't like Greene's ( not singling anyone out) game. We get it. We get he isn't a high percentage shooter. We get he doesn't see the floor great all the time. Believe it or not though, he does do some good things out there on the court and has been an important player to our last few wins.

 Crazy Crazy Crazy...  He isn't transferring, nor should he. Lavin obviously loves him and knows what he's doing despite everyone else's obvious superior basketball knowledge..

I think everyone's comments aren't made to tear the team down yet more like constructive criticism to make the team we all love better. These forums were created for the coach in every one of us. You think the Kentucky boards last season were all Rosey and bright after every win or were people expressing there sentiments whether positive or negative with the teams best interest at heart in 100+ pages of posts. CR green is constantly folling us in on the UCLA boards and it seems they go at it more then we do, and there record and history is superior to ours. I don't see a problem with the criticism in this open forum setting 5 game win streak or not, especially when a lot of the input is factual and statistic based and always respectful. Intellect is tested when objected and forced to critically think. This healthy debate does nothing except exercise  the basketball mind. On that note lets go #stjbb and our human circle Phil

Quote from: Moose on February 01, 2013, 03:47:50 PM

Quote from: boo3 on February 01, 2013, 03:39:58 PM

I just don't get it. 5 game winning streak and the majority of posts are dissecting one players shortcomings to death.

 How come no one is bringing up the fact that Branch nearly threw the game away with a few crucial turnovers at the end of the game?  Is that not thread and 500 posts worthy?

 Everyone that reads the site knows you don't like Greene's ( not singling anyone out) game. We get it. We get he isn't a high percentage shooter. We get he doesn't see the floor great all the time. Believe it or not though, he does do some good things out there on the court and has been an important player to our last few wins.

 Crazy Crazy Crazy...  He isn't transferring, nor should he. Lavin obviously loves him and knows what he's doing despite everyone else's obvious superior basketball knowledge..

Because a certain fan of Mr. Greene's game is pretty relentless and ignoring some basic facts that others have pointed out.

Oh I don't know its a message board where discussion is kind of the point.

If your referring to Branch at the end of the regulation that was a foul that Mr. Con Ed Corbett missed.

So yes he has been a part of the 5 game winning streak but he holes and people are discussing those holes.  Just because Lavin has a superior knowledge should we just stop talking?  Pretty boring place then eh?

  No, by all means... It's theater of the dramatic in here...  How many times can 5 guys say the same thing over and over....  engaging to say the least.

I think you should ask how many guys does it take for one person to realize they are probably wrong.

 Carmine has done this for years. He has his favorites and defends them to the death.  You know this.  You aren't going to get him to admit to anything... It's part of the board. 


 As opposed to you, Moose, who has been flip flopping more than a politician.  I love Lavin, I hate Lavin..... 

 I hate WASJU,  WASJU is my BFF....

Carmine has done this for years. He has his favorites and defends them to the death.  You know this.  You aren't going to get him to admit to anything... It's part of the board. 

I really  don't know Carmine that well in that regard.  With Baldi I know this.  So your saying he's Baldi light and has a B.S. or MBA in Antagonizing?

Quote from: boo3 on February 01, 2013, 03:54:20 PM

Carmine has done this for years. He has his favorites and defends them to the death.  You know this.  You aren't going to get him to admit to anything... It's part of the board. 

I really  don't know Carmine that well in that regard.  With Baldi I know this.  So your saying he's Baldi light and has a B.S. or MBA in Antagonizing?

 Not exactly.  Carmine actually roots for STJ to win basketball games. I don't think I've ever seen him rip a player.

Quote from: Moose on February 01, 2013, 03:57:05 PM

Quote from: boo3 on February 01, 2013, 03:54:20 PM

Carmine has done this for years. He has his favorites and defends them to the death.  You know this.  You aren't going to get him to admit to anything... It's part of the board. 

I really  don't know Carmine that well in that regard.  With Baldi I know this.  So your saying he's Baldi light and has a B.S. or MBA in Antagonizing?

 Not exactly.  Carmine actually roots for STJ to win basketball games. I don't think I've ever seen him rip a player.

Your right.  Bad analogy on my part there.  Carmine definitely roots for STJ.

I think he's a good mid-range shooter and a decent 3pt shooter. I know his percentages are down but I still think he's a good shooter.

Not sure you can classify someone as a good shooter by ignoring the stat sheet? What exactly are you basing it on then? The stats indicate that Greene is a very bad shooter. If you ignore stats completely then everything is arbitrary. You could tell a girl you have a 10 inch Johnson despite the fact the ruler indicates 6 inches. You get pulled over by a cop who clocks you at 90 and simply disagree. I mean you have to have some sort of baseline no?  There are always factors that will skew stats one way or another, but 37% shooting is bad!

Nice analogies  . I'm saying I think Greene is a good shooter. But, he forces some shots, and went through a pretty major slump this season. Harrison was a 37% shooter last year. That's bad. Is he a poor shooter?

I like his release, and when he's open, I feel confident the shot will go in. That's why I think he's a good shooter. The problem is, he shoots a lot of shots when he's not open.

 I hate WASJU,  WASJU is my BFF....

No one hates WASJU!

Larry Wright shot a lot of threes. His 3 point % is acceptable. That is a perfect example of a factor skewing stats

Quote from: we are sju on February 01, 2013, 03:41:41 PM

I think he's a good mid-range shooter and a decent 3pt shooter. I know his percentages are down but I still think he's a good shooter.

Not sure you can classify someone as a good shooter by ignoring the stat sheet? What exactly are you basing it on then? The stats indicate that Greene is a very bad shooter. If you ignore stats completely then everything is arbitrary. You could tell a girl you have a 10 inch Johnson despite the fact the ruler indicates 6 inches. You get pulled over by a cop who clocks you at 90 and simply disagree. I mean you have to have some sort of baseline no?  There are always factors that will skew stats one way or another, but 37% shooting is bad!

Nice analogies  . I'm saying I think Greene is a good shooter. But, he forces some shots, and went through a pretty major slump this season. Harrison was a 37% shooter last year. That's bad. Is he a poor shooter?

I like his release, and when he's open, I feel confident the shot will go in. That's why I think he's a good shooter. The problem is, he shoots a lot of shots when he's not open.

^^This. I think you can almost compare it to the problems that Dom was facing until recently. He isn't playing within himself a lot of the time and I think that is what is to blame. He has his spots on the floor where he is money. He just needs to go there more often IMO

Are you kidding me carmine? You bring up the play in which Phil made the pass to branch 4 seconds to late?.

I think you are getting confused Mase.  4 seconds is the legnth of an average love making session between you and your domestic partner.  The play I was describing had the square up in the air for a jump shot attempt,  showing tremendous court awareness - he realizes in the last split second that the Aggie had become free under the basket, showing great athleticism and timing, he changes his mind instantaneously in mid-air and rifles right on time a perfect feed to Branch underneath.  Unfortunately, Jamal was too short and didn't go up strong and got his shot squaapped - twice.

Everybit as beautiful a feed as the Obekpa gem earlier.  That's the play I was referring to.

Carmine is becoming Phil's agent like Bobre was to Evans.

You know I was thinking this about myself before I read this and I have to admit it does make me cringe.  I will attempt to tone down my undying support for my MFP in this forum.

It has not been lost on me these last few Phil bashing weeks that there are several other Greene supporters out there who's post have been a beacon of light admidst the dark posts of all the haters.  Way to go Greene lovers!

To show that I am sincere about cooling off,  I offer that Phil's feet are often too close together and turned sideways when he leeps for his jumper.  Feel he would have better balance and that his percentage would improve if he could square up to the basket and plant his feet at shoulder width prior to the shot.

It always seems to me like Phil is falling backwards when he shoots his jumper

Larry Wright shot a lot of threes. His 3 point % is acceptable.

You have got to be kidding me with this statement.    I can't even begin to count the amount of times you have taken the exact opposite stance to blindly diminish the great accomplishments of one Avery "SG3PTRH" Patterson with his 33% three-point percentage in his only season. 

AP shot a lot of threes also.  Way more than Michigan.  So many that he hit the most threes ever by a Redmen until his seemingly unbreakable Dimaggio like number was surpassed only by the future greatest scorer in Johnny history.