The match up zone

When will they finally lay this ugly dog to rest? I'm sick of it.

When will they finally lay this ugly dog to rest? I'm sick of it.

Can't argue with that.

Quote from: Poison on February 10, 2013, 06:06:51 PM

When will they finally lay this ugly dog to rest? I'm sick of it.

Can't argue with that.

No reason to scap it all together.  It gives the other team a different look. 

But to come out an play that for 40 minutes is a terrible game plan.  Use the zone when Marco is on the court as I don't see him matching up man to man with anyone they have.  But once Marco comes out, I would have liked to see them go man to man and also press a little bit.  We have the athletes to do that. 

Feels like we played not to lose than to win the game today!

I just don't get why we feel the need to play it exclusively for 40 minutes regardless of how the other team is executing. We don't make in-game adjustments, EVER. We need to mix up our looks. We have "athletes", so go man-to-man at times. Also, what happened to having depth this year and being able to press?

Another factor could be the recent play of Dom. He is the main "cog" in our matchup zone but has had relatively quiet games in the past week or so...

This team is built for the 2-3 matchup.  How many more times do we have to see Obekpa closeout late on a three pointer...at least he makes an attempt unlike Jones to close the half that didn't even move out and left MCW with a three with nobody within 10 feet. 

This team is built for the 2-3 matchup.  How many more times do we have to see Obekpa closeout late on a three pointer...at least he makes an attempt unlike Jones to close the half that didn't even move out and left MCW with a three with nobody within 10 feet. 

Today we needed man to man defense. You dont zone cuse.

watching the cure zone vs ours is like watching godfather 1 vs godfather 3

I don't think the defense is so bad. Rebounding poorly out of the zone is probably more of an issue than the actual zone itself. Lately JaKarr has been particularly good rebounding and even Obkepa has improved.

If there is a problem it's executing in the half court offense.

At the end of the day, Williams, Southerland, Fair and Triche were left wide open. These guys aren't chumps. They make wide open shots. A game plan of match up zone against them is a horrible game plan. You know is made for the zone, SU, that's their bag.

We used to beat them, when we played man to man. You want to stop them, disrupt their comfort level. Look at what Temple and Nova did. They got up in Williams' grill. He was not the same. We made it easy for him. We made him look like an NBA lottery pick.

And while we are on it, they have about 6 pros, all of which are more ready than our guys.

The problem with the zone is the lack of rotation.  It's just disturbing.  Look at Christian Jones, with just one minute of play, standing FLAT-FOOTED 15 feet away from the man he should have been closing out on.  Notice the only other option for Jones to defend is even further away on the right wing.  This was off of two pedestrian passes from the left wing then to the open shooter.  How is Jones not anticipating this?  How is he possibly flat-footed in this situation, just staring at the shooter?  Unreal.

The problem with the zone:

It's harder for them to score in warm ups.

The problem with the zone is the lack of rotation.  It's just disturbing.  Look at Christian Jones, with just one minute of play, standing FLAT-FOOTED 15 feet away from the man he should have been closing out on.  Notice the only other option for Jones to defend is even further away on the right wing.  This was off of two pedestrian passes from the left wing then to the open shooter.  How is Jones not anticipating this?  How is he possibly flat-footed in this situation, just staring at the shooter?  Unreal.

I know you love Christian Jones.  But can you use a better example than the guy who played a whopping 1 minute

Quote from: Marillac on February 11, 2013, 08:18:07 PM

The problem with the zone is the lack of rotation.  It's just disturbing.  Look at Christian Jones, with just one minute of play, standing FLAT-FOOTED 15 feet away from the man he should have been closing out on.  Notice the only other option for Jones to defend is even further away on the right wing.  This was off of two pedestrian passes from the left wing then to the open shooter.  How is Jones not anticipating this?  How is he possibly flat-footed in this situation, just staring at the shooter?  Unreal.

I know you love Christian Jones.  But can you use a better example than the guy who played a whopping 1 minute

No better example that I have ever seen than this:  a kid standing completely flat-footed in a freaking matchup zone.  This still image is exactly what every zone needs to avoid.  There are THREE guys standing below the basket with no Syracuse players within 8-10 feet.  How does that happen? 

Jones has to choose between two guys, both standing on the three point line, but he's flat-footed and staring at a kid that caught a soft pass, set his feet, and was at the top of his jumper before Jones even moved his feet. Jones needs to be anticipating that pass like everyone in the stands, and be there a second after the ball arrives with a hand in the kid's face.  There are 40 year olds at the YMCA that would close out faster just trying to pretend like they were playing defense.

What's even worse is that if the shot was missed, Cuse crashed the glass and our three guys didn't eve box out!  Three guys under the rim and we would have lost that rebound. 

Quote from: Moose on February 12, 2013, 06:42:10 AM

Quote from: Marillac on February 11, 2013, 08:18:07 PM

The problem with the zone is the lack of rotation.  It's just disturbing.  Look at Christian Jones, with just one minute of play, standing FLAT-FOOTED 15 feet away from the man he should have been closing out on.  Notice the only other option for Jones to defend is even further away on the right wing.  This was off of two pedestrian passes from the left wing then to the open shooter.  How is Jones not anticipating this?  How is he possibly flat-footed in this situation, just staring at the shooter?  Unreal.

I know you love Christian Jones.  But can you use a better example than the guy who played a whopping 1 minute

No better example that I have ever seen than this:  a kid standing completely flat-footed in a freaking matchup zone.  This still image is exactly what every zone needs to avoid.  There are THREE guys standing below the basket with no Syracuse players within 8-10 feet.  How does that happen? 

Jones has to choose between two guys, both standing on the three point line, but he's flat-footed and staring at a kid that caught a soft pass, set his feet, and was at the top of his jumper before Jones even moved his feet. Jones needs to be anticipating that pass like everyone in the stands, and be there a second after the ball arrives with a hand in the kid's face.  There are 40 year olds at the YMCA that would close out faster just trying to pretend like they were playing defense.

What's even worse is that if the shot was missed, Cuse crashed the glass and our three guys didn't eve box out!  Three guys under the rim and we would have lost that rebound. 

When Christian comes in the game do you start throwing things around the house?

Long term, the zone might be great.  Use it in spurts now, and practice it like hell in the summer and fall.
But right now, in a lot of these situations, coach has to let the guys stop thinking and just let their instinct and natural athleticism take over. 
They can do that if you let them play man to man.   

Quote from: Marillac on February 12, 2013, 09:15:29 AM

Quote from: Moose on February 12, 2013, 06:42:10 AM

Quote from: Marillac on February 11, 2013, 08:18:07 PM

The problem with the zone is the lack of rotation.  It's just disturbing.  Look at Christian Jones, with just one minute of play, standing FLAT-FOOTED 15 feet away from the man he should have been closing out on.  Notice the only other option for Jones to defend is even further away on the right wing.  This was off of two pedestrian passes from the left wing then to the open shooter.  How is Jones not anticipating this?  How is he possibly flat-footed in this situation, just staring at the shooter?  Unreal.

I know you love Christian Jones.  But can you use a better example than the guy who played a whopping 1 minute

No better example that I have ever seen than this:  a kid standing completely flat-footed in a freaking matchup zone.  This still image is exactly what every zone needs to avoid.  There are THREE guys standing below the basket with no Syracuse players within 8-10 feet.  How does that happen? 

Jones has to choose between two guys, both standing on the three point line, but he's flat-footed and staring at a kid that caught a soft pass, set his feet, and was at the top of his jumper before Jones even moved his feet. Jones needs to be anticipating that pass like everyone in the stands, and be there a second after the ball arrives with a hand in the kid's face.  There are 40 year olds at the YMCA that would close out faster just trying to pretend like they were playing defense.

What's even worse is that if the shot was missed, Cuse crashed the glass and our three guys didn't eve box out!  Three guys under the rim and we would have lost that rebound. 

When Christian comes in the game do you start throwing things around the house?

I'm lucky I'm even allowed to watch the games in the first place. I know better than to mess up a Colombian woman's house. 

Quote from: Moose on February 12, 2013, 05:18:20 PM

Quote from: Marillac on February 12, 2013, 09:15:29 AM

Quote from: Moose on February 12, 2013, 06:42:10 AM

Quote from: Marillac on February 11, 2013, 08:18:07 PM

The problem with the zone is the lack of rotation.  It's just disturbing.  Look at Christian Jones, with just one minute of play, standing FLAT-FOOTED 15 feet away from the man he should have been closing out on.  Notice the only other option for Jones to defend is even further away on the right wing.  This was off of two pedestrian passes from the left wing then to the open shooter.  How is Jones not anticipating this?  How is he possibly flat-footed in this situation, just staring at the shooter?  Unreal.

I know you love Christian Jones.  But can you use a better example than the guy who played a whopping 1 minute

No better example that I have ever seen than this:  a kid standing completely flat-footed in a freaking matchup zone.  This still image is exactly what every zone needs to avoid.  There are THREE guys standing below the basket with no Syracuse players within 8-10 feet.  How does that happen? 

Jones has to choose between two guys, both standing on the three point line, but he's flat-footed and staring at a kid that caught a soft pass, set his feet, and was at the top of his jumper before Jones even moved his feet. Jones needs to be anticipating that pass like everyone in the stands, and be there a second after the ball arrives with a hand in the kid's face.  There are 40 year olds at the YMCA that would close out faster just trying to pretend like they were playing defense.

What's even worse is that if the shot was missed, Cuse crashed the glass and our three guys didn't eve box out!  Three guys under the rim and we would have lost that rebound. 

When Christian comes in the game do you start throwing things around the house?

I'm lucky I'm even allowed to watch the games in the first place. I know better than to mess up a Colombian woman's house. 

Colombian! Nice!

Quote from: Marillac on February 12, 2013, 08:27:08 PM

Quote from: Moose on February 12, 2013, 05:18:20 PM

Quote from: Marillac on February 12, 2013, 09:15:29 AM

Quote from: Moose on February 12, 2013, 06:42:10 AM

Quote from: Marillac on February 11, 2013, 08:18:07 PM

The problem with the zone is the lack of rotation.  It's just disturbing.  Look at Christian Jones, with just one minute of play, standing FLAT-FOOTED 15 feet away from the man he should have been closing out on.  Notice the only other option for Jones to defend is even further away on the right wing.  This was off of two pedestrian passes from the left wing then to the open shooter.  How is Jones not anticipating this?  How is he possibly flat-footed in this situation, just staring at the shooter?  Unreal.

I know you love Christian Jones.  But can you use a better example than the guy who played a whopping 1 minute

No better example that I have ever seen than this:  a kid standing completely flat-footed in a freaking matchup zone.  This still image is exactly what every zone needs to avoid.  There are THREE guys standing below the basket with no Syracuse players within 8-10 feet.  How does that happen? 

Jones has to choose between two guys, both standing on the three point line, but he's flat-footed and staring at a kid that caught a soft pass, set his feet, and was at the top of his jumper before Jones even moved his feet. Jones needs to be anticipating that pass like everyone in the stands, and be there a second after the ball arrives with a hand in the kid's face.  There are 40 year olds at the YMCA that would close out faster just trying to pretend like they were playing defense.

What's even worse is that if the shot was missed, Cuse crashed the glass and our three guys didn't eve box out!  Three guys under the rim and we would have lost that rebound. 

When Christian comes in the game do you start throwing things around the house?

I'm lucky I'm even allowed to watch the games in the first place. I know better than to mess up a Colombian woman's house. 

Colombian! Nice!

Most beautiful women in the world IMO. 

 

Quote from: Moose on February 12, 2013, 08:32:15 PM

Quote from: Marillac on February 12, 2013, 08:27:08 PM

Quote from: Moose on February 12, 2013, 05:18:20 PM

Quote from: Marillac on February 12, 2013, 09:15:29 AM

Quote from: Moose on February 12, 2013, 06:42:10 AM

Quote from: Marillac on February 11, 2013, 08:18:07 PM

The problem with the zone is the lack of rotation.  It's just disturbing.  Look at Christian Jones, with just one minute of play, standing FLAT-FOOTED 15 feet away from the man he should have been closing out on.  Notice the only other option for Jones to defend is even further away on the right wing.  This was off of two pedestrian passes from the left wing then to the open shooter.  How is Jones not anticipating this?  How is he possibly flat-footed in this situation, just staring at the shooter?  Unreal.

I know you love Christian Jones.  But can you use a better example than the guy who played a whopping 1 minute

No better example that I have ever seen than this:  a kid standing completely flat-footed in a freaking matchup zone.  This still image is exactly what every zone needs to avoid.  There are THREE guys standing below the basket with no Syracuse players within 8-10 feet.  How does that happen? 

Jones has to choose between two guys, both standing on the three point line, but he's flat-footed and staring at a kid that caught a soft pass, set his feet, and was at the top of his jumper before Jones even moved his feet. Jones needs to be anticipating that pass like everyone in the stands, and be there a second after the ball arrives with a hand in the kid's face.  There are 40 year olds at the YMCA that would close out faster just trying to pretend like they were playing defense.

What's even worse is that if the shot was missed, Cuse crashed the glass and our three guys didn't eve box out!  Three guys under the rim and we would have lost that rebound. 

When Christian comes in the game do you start throwing things around the house?

I'm lucky I'm even allowed to watch the games in the first place. I know better than to mess up a Colombian woman's house. 

Colombian! Nice!

Most beautiful women in the world IMO. 

 

Marillac is with Shakira.  He just won't tell anyone.

Quote from: Moose on February 12, 2013, 05:18:20 PM

Quote from: Marillac on February 12, 2013, 09:15:29 AM

Quote from: Moose on February 12, 2013, 06:42:10 AM

Quote from: Marillac on February 11, 2013, 08:18:07 PM

The problem with the zone is the lack of rotation.  It's just disturbing.  Look at Christian Jones, with just one minute of play, standing FLAT-FOOTED 15 feet away from the man he should have been closing out on.  Notice the only other option for Jones to defend is even further away on the right wing.  This was off of two pedestrian passes from the left wing then to the open shooter.  How is Jones not anticipating this?  How is he possibly flat-footed in this situation, just staring at the shooter?  Unreal.

I know you love Christian Jones.  But can you use a better example than the guy who played a whopping 1 minute

No better example that I have ever seen than this:  a kid standing completely flat-footed in a freaking matchup zone.  This still image is exactly what every zone needs to avoid.  There are THREE guys standing below the basket with no Syracuse players within 8-10 feet.  How does that happen? 

Jones has to choose between two guys, both standing on the three point line, but he's flat-footed and staring at a kid that caught a soft pass, set his feet, and was at the top of his jumper before Jones even moved his feet. Jones needs to be anticipating that pass like everyone in the stands, and be there a second after the ball arrives with a hand in the kid's face.  There are 40 year olds at the YMCA that would close out faster just trying to pretend like they were playing defense.

What's even worse is that if the shot was missed, Cuse crashed the glass and our three guys didn't eve box out!  Three guys under the rim and we would have lost that rebound. 

When Christian comes in the game do you start throwing things around the house?

I'm lucky I'm even allowed to watch the games in the first place. I know better than to mess up a Colombian woman's house. 

Oh man another south american woman.

Have you been to columbia yet ?

Thinking of maybe going there this year possibly when I go back to Peru